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    From =?UTF-8?B?Y3ljbGludG9t?=@cyclintom@yahoo.com to rec.bicycles.tech on Thu Sep 17 19:39:32 2026
    From Newsgroup: rec.bicycles.tech

    That stupid low life Liebermann cried as usual that I didn't know what I said that I had been one of the first to program using artificial intelligence and in my opinion it offered no threat to anyone. Well, the Democrats have been passing out fear messages as if AI would take over the world.
    This is all BS and here is an article that pretty much echoes what I said. https://www.livescience.com/archaeology/human-evolution/the-real-ai-danger-is-not-superintelligence-it-is-premature-trust-opinion?utm_term=3d98FC66DD-46BB-47CA-A8BA-98299708DDB2&lrh=3d779f40036241709ce622210d15b313c7f395de20103b0d6846bd5a7ed81d3a54&utm_campaign=3d368B3745-DDE0-4A69-A2E8-62503D85375D&utm_medium=3demail&utm_content=3d70362F9F-C9B2-43F9-8019-8DED5C49064B&utm_source=3dSmartBrief
    Why would anyone be afraid of something with an off switch?
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  • From Jeff Liebermann@jeffl@cruzio.com to rec.bicycles.tech on Thu Sep 17 20:12:23 2026
    From Newsgroup: rec.bicycles.tech

    On Thu, 17 Sep 2026 19:39:32 GMT, cyclintom <cyclintom@yahoo.com>
    wrote:

    That stupid low life Liebermann cried as usual that I didn't know what I said that I had been one of the first to program using artificial intelligence and in my opinion it offered no threat to anyone.

    Masochist. Among all the RBT readers, who might agree with you, you
    chose the one person who will consistently demonstrate that you lie, misinterpret and distort. Do you enjoy pain?

    What you proclaimed was:
    07/24/2023 <https://groups.google.com/g/rec.bicycles.tech/c/7IcUdM6SCOs/m/6JYj_0F7BgAJ> "When the universities started talking about AI I was one of the first
    in private business to program AI into medical instruments."

    Well, the Democrats have been passing out fear messages as if AI would take over the world.

    I'm a registered Republican, not a Democrat. However, I will admit to occasionally voting Democrat (or throwing my vote away when neither
    party can produce a worthwhile candidate). I do not fear AI. I fear
    those who will use AI as a weapon.

    This is all BS and here is an article that pretty much echoes what I said. >https://www.livescience.com/archaeology/human-evolution/the-real-ai-danger-is-not-superintelligence-it-is-premature-trust-opinion
    (appended tracking information deleted from URL).

    True. AI won't be a threat, but is likely to be a disappointment,
    just like the title to the article you didn't bother to read:
    "We're not about to awaken an evil digital god - AI is far more likely
    to end in a great disappointment".
    Have you invested your millions in AI companies?

    Why would anyone be afraid of something with an off switch?

    For DC circuits, turning on a switch might create a small spark.
    However, turning off the switch can result in a large hot arc and
    potentially a fire or explosion.
    --
    Jeff Liebermann jeffl@cruzio.com
    PO Box 272 http://www.LearnByDestroying.com
    Ben Lomond CA 95005-0272 AE6KS 831-336-2558

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  • From zen cycle@funkmasterxx@hotmail.com to rec.bicycles.tech on Wed Sep 30 06:18:08 2026
    From Newsgroup: rec.bicycles.tech

    On 9/17/2026 11:12 PM, Jeff Liebermann wrote:
    On Thu, 17 Sep 2026 19:39:32 GMT, cyclintom <cyclintom@yahoo.com>
    wrote:

    That stupid low life Liebermann cried as usual that I didn't know what I said that I had been one of the first to program using artificial intelligence and in my opinion it offered no threat to anyone.

    Masochist. Among all the RBT readers, who might agree with you, you
    chose the one person who will consistently demonstrate that you lie, misinterpret and distort. Do you enjoy pain?

    What you proclaimed was:
    07/24/2023 <https://groups.google.com/g/rec.bicycles.tech/c/7IcUdM6SCOs/m/6JYj_0F7BgAJ> "When the universities started talking about AI I was one of the first
    in private business to program AI into medical instruments."

    I'm just amused that he continues to tell himself that he has any
    experience in AI. AI requires some type of dataset that the system can
    append and/or modify on its own (aka 'learn'). Nothing tommyboy ever
    worked on had a usable dataset or even had the capability to do anything
    more than generate chromatography plots or control stepper motors.
    Besides that, we're talking about a guy who posted a piece of code he allegedly wrote here, then couldn't understand how I figured out what
    the hardware target was - hardly the hallmark of someone who would have
    been involved in the most cutting edge software development of the time.



    Well, the Democrats have been passing out fear messages as if AI would take over the world.

    yeah, like John Curtis (R-Utah), Josh Hawley (R-Missouri), and
    (R-Louisiana) https://www.politico.com/news/2026/09/21/senate-republicans-ai-safety-01085069

    I'm a registered Republican, not a Democrat. However, I will admit to occasionally voting Democrat (or throwing my vote away when neither
    party can produce a worthwhile candidate). I do not fear AI. I fear
    those who will use AI as a weapon.

    Ditto


    This is all BS and here is an article that pretty much echoes what I said. >> https://www.livescience.com/archaeology/human-evolution/the-real-ai-danger-is-not-superintelligence-it-is-premature-trust-opinion
    (appended tracking information deleted from URL).

    True. AI won't be a threat, but is likely to be a disappointment,
    just like the title to the article you didn't bother to read:
    "We're not about to awaken an evil digital god - AI is far more likely
    to end in a great disappointment".
    Have you invested your millions in AI companies?

    Why would anyone be afraid of something with an off switch?

    They don't have off switches. They have firmware controlled power
    management systems that the AI itself can manipulate. As an example,
    it's possible to write firmware that ignores the power button on your
    PC. Sure, you can unplug from the wall, but imagine you're in a data
    center where the system has access control to the server room and won't
    let you in. Sure, go to the mains power coming into the building and disconnect it - Unless the data center has been configured to use a
    dedicated power plant that it also has control over (https://blog.ucs.org/mike-jacobs/power-hungry-why-data-centers-are-developing-their-own-energy-sources-to-fuel-ai/).


    Short of contracting a sapper to set up a C4 charge at the power source,
    if the AI system decides it doesn't want you to shut it down, 'manual'
    shut down systems won't work.

    I won't go so far as to claim fear, but there are legitimate concerns
    over the damage that an AI system managing a financial institution can
    wreak before it's disabled.


    For DC circuits, turning on a switch might create a small spark.
    However, turning off the switch can result in a large hot arc and
    potentially a fire or explosion.



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  • From AMuzi@am@yellowjersey.org to rec.bicycles.tech on Wed Sep 30 07:39:59 2026
    From Newsgroup: rec.bicycles.tech

    On 9/30/2026 5:18 AM, zen cycle wrote:
    On 9/17/2026 11:12 PM, Jeff Liebermann wrote:
    On Thu, 17 Sep 2026 19:39:32 GMT, cyclintom
    <cyclintom@yahoo.com>
    wrote:

    That stupid low life Liebermann cried as usual that I
    didn't know what I said that I had been one of the first
    to program using artificial intelligence and in my
    opinion it offered no threat to anyone.

    Masochist.-a Among all the RBT readers, who might agree
    with you, you
    chose the one person who will consistently demonstrate
    that you lie,
    misinterpret and distort.-a Do you enjoy pain?

    What you proclaimed was:
    07/24/2023
    <https://groups.google.com/g/rec.bicycles.tech/
    c/7IcUdM6SCOs/m/6JYj_0F7BgAJ>
    "When the universities started talking about AI I was one
    of the first
    in private business to program AI into medical instruments."

    I'm just amused that he continues to tell himself that he
    has any experience in AI. AI requires some type of dataset
    that the system can append and/or modify on its own (aka
    'learn'). Nothing tommyboy ever worked on had a usable
    dataset or even had the capability to do anything more than
    generate chromatography plots or control stepper motors.
    Besides that, we're talking about a guy who posted a piece
    of code he allegedly wrote here, then couldn't understand
    how I figured out what the hardware target was - hardly the
    hallmark of someone who would have been involved in the most
    cutting edge software development of the time.



    Well, the Democrats have been passing out fear messages
    as if AI would take over the world.

    yeah, like John Curtis (R-Utah), Josh Hawley (R-Missouri),
    and (R-Louisiana) https://www.politico.com/news/2026/09/21/senate-republicans- ai-safety-01085069

    I'm a registered Republican, not a Democrat.-a However, I
    will admit to
    occasionally voting Democrat (or throwing my vote away
    when neither
    party can produce a worthwhile candidate).-a I do not fear
    AI.-a I fear
    those who will use AI as a weapon.

    Ditto


    This is all BS and here is an article that pretty much
    echoes what I said.
    https://www.livescience.com/archaeology/human-evolution/
    the-real-ai-danger-is-not-superintelligence-it-is-
    premature-trust-opinion
    (appended tracking information deleted from URL).

    True.-a AI won't be a threat, but is likely to be a
    disappointment,
    just like the title to the article you didn't bother to read:
    "We're not about to awaken an evil digital god - AI is far
    more likely
    to end in a great disappointment".
    Have you invested your millions in AI companies?

    Why would anyone be afraid of something with an off switch?

    They don't have off switches. They have firmware controlled
    power management systems that the AI itself can manipulate.
    As an example, it's possible to write firmware that ignores
    the power button on your PC. Sure, you can unplug from the
    wall, but imagine you're in a data center where the system
    has access control to the server room and won't let you in.
    Sure, go to the mains power coming into the building and
    disconnect it - Unless the data center has been configured
    to use a dedicated power plant that it also has control over (https://blog.ucs.org/mike-jacobs/power-hungry-why-data- centers-are-developing-their-own-energy-sources-to-fuel-ai/).

    Short of contracting a sapper to set up a C4 charge at the
    power source, if the AI system decides it doesn't want you
    to shut it down, 'manual' shut down systems won't work.

    I won't go so far as to claim fear, but there are legitimate
    concerns over the damage that an AI system managing a
    financial institution can wreak before it's disabled.


    For DC circuits, turning on a switch might create a small
    spark.
    However, turning off the switch can result in a large hot
    arc and
    potentially a fire or explosion.





    The sticking point here is not technical, it's liability,
    and no one has found any answers thus far.

    When a level 2 (assistance, warnings) auto crashes, it's the
    driver's liability. When a level 3 (full autonomous; driver
    can be asleep) auto crashes, it's the system provider's
    liability. Extend that beyond autos to other areas
    (pharmaceuticals, legal advice, traffic signals, power
    management...) and you have a tort minefield.

    The current players are deeply upside down on capex without
    a compelling revenue/ROI model, and they desperately need a
    solution, hence the pleas for regulation. In theory, the
    provider could fall back on, 'The US Government approved
    this system.' I can't see any possible functional regulatory
    regime, as the regulators will be captured posthaste.

    Technically, a regulator would need to examine and test
    every bit of code in gargantuan systems across myriad
    platforms and rigorously test all the various modules under
    nearly infinite scenarios. Good luck with that.
    --
    Andrew Muzi
    am@yellowjersey.org
    Open every day since 1 April, 1971
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  • From Catrike Ryder@Soloman@old.bikers.org to rec.bicycles.tech on Wed Sep 30 09:18:56 2026
    From Newsgroup: rec.bicycles.tech

    On Wed, 30 Sep 2026 07:39:59 -0500, AMuzi <am@yellowjersey.org> wrote:

    On 9/30/2026 5:18 AM, zen cycle wrote:
    On 9/17/2026 11:12 PM, Jeff Liebermann wrote:
    On Thu, 17 Sep 2026 19:39:32 GMT, cyclintom
    <cyclintom@yahoo.com>
    wrote:

    That stupid low life Liebermann cried as usual that I
    didn't know what I said that I had been one of the first
    to program using artificial intelligence and in my
    opinion it offered no threat to anyone.

    Masochist.a Among all the RBT readers, who might agree
    with you, you
    chose the one person who will consistently demonstrate
    that you lie,
    misinterpret and distort.a Do you enjoy pain?

    What you proclaimed was:
    07/24/2023
    <https://groups.google.com/g/rec.bicycles.tech/
    c/7IcUdM6SCOs/m/6JYj_0F7BgAJ>
    "When the universities started talking about AI I was one
    of the first
    in private business to program AI into medical instruments."

    I'm just amused that he continues to tell himself that he
    has any experience in AI. AI requires some type of dataset
    that the system can append and/or modify on its own (aka
    'learn'). Nothing tommyboy ever worked on had a usable
    dataset or even had the capability to do anything more than
    generate chromatography plots or control stepper motors.
    Besides that, we're talking about a guy who posted a piece
    of code he allegedly wrote here, then couldn't understand
    how I figured out what the hardware target was - hardly the
    hallmark of someone who would have been involved in the most
    cutting edge software development of the time.



    Well, the Democrats have been passing out fear messages
    as if AI would take over the world.

    yeah, like John Curtis (R-Utah), Josh Hawley (R-Missouri),
    and (R-Louisiana)
    https://www.politico.com/news/2026/09/21/senate-republicans-
    ai-safety-01085069

    I'm a registered Republican, not a Democrat.a However, I
    will admit to
    occasionally voting Democrat (or throwing my vote away
    when neither
    party can produce a worthwhile candidate).a I do not fear
    AI.a I fear
    those who will use AI as a weapon.

    Ditto


    This is all BS and here is an article that pretty much
    echoes what I said.
    https://www.livescience.com/archaeology/human-evolution/
    the-real-ai-danger-is-not-superintelligence-it-is-
    premature-trust-opinion
    (appended tracking information deleted from URL).

    True.a AI won't be a threat, but is likely to be a
    disappointment,
    just like the title to the article you didn't bother to read:
    "We're not about to awaken an evil digital god - AI is far
    more likely
    to end in a great disappointment".
    Have you invested your millions in AI companies?

    Why would anyone be afraid of something with an off switch?

    They don't have off switches. They have firmware controlled
    power management systems that the AI itself can manipulate.
    As an example, it's possible to write firmware that ignores
    the power button on your PC. Sure, you can unplug from the
    wall, but imagine you're in a data center where the system
    has access control to the server room and won't let you in.
    Sure, go to the mains power coming into the building and
    disconnect it - Unless the data center has been configured
    to use a dedicated power plant that it also has control over
    (https://blog.ucs.org/mike-jacobs/power-hungry-why-data-
    centers-are-developing-their-own-energy-sources-to-fuel-ai/).

    Short of contracting a sapper to set up a C4 charge at the
    power source, if the AI system decides it doesn't want you
    to shut it down, 'manual' shut down systems won't work.

    I won't go so far as to claim fear, but there are legitimate
    concerns over the damage that an AI system managing a
    financial institution can wreak before it's disabled.


    For DC circuits, turning on a switch might create a small
    spark.
    However, turning off the switch can result in a large hot
    arc and
    potentially a fire or explosion.





    The sticking point here is not technical, it's liability,
    and no one has found any answers thus far.

    When a level 2 (assistance, warnings) auto crashes, it's the
    driver's liability. When a level 3 (full autonomous; driver
    can be asleep) auto crashes, it's the system provider's
    liability. Extend that beyond autos to other areas
    (pharmaceuticals, legal advice, traffic signals, power
    management...) and you have a tort minefield.

    The current players are deeply upside down on capex without
    a compelling revenue/ROI model, and they desperately need a
    solution, hence the pleas for regulation. In theory, the
    provider could fall back on, 'The US Government approved
    this system.' I can't see any possible functional regulatory
    regime, as the regulators will be captured posthaste.

    Technically, a regulator would need to examine and test
    every bit of code in gargantuan systems across myriad
    platforms and rigorously test all the various modules under
    nearly infinite scenarios. Good luck with that.

    Well obviously, the regulator will have to be AI, too. Am I joking?
    Maybe not. Am I worried for my children and grandchildren and .....
    Yes, I am.

    --
    C'est bon
    Soloman
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  • From zen cycle@funkmasterxx@hotmail.com to rec.bicycles.tech on Thu Oct 1 05:02:50 2026
    From Newsgroup: rec.bicycles.tech

    On 9/30/2026 8:39 AM, AMuzi wrote:
    On 9/30/2026 5:18 AM, zen cycle wrote:
    On 9/17/2026 11:12 PM, Jeff Liebermann wrote:
    On Thu, 17 Sep 2026 19:39:32 GMT, cyclintom <cyclintom@yahoo.com>
    wrote:

    That stupid low life Liebermann cried as usual that I didn't know
    what I said that I had been one of the first to program using
    artificial intelligence and in my opinion it offered no threat to
    anyone.

    Masochist.-a Among all the RBT readers, who might agree with you, you
    chose the one person who will consistently demonstrate that you lie,
    misinterpret and distort.-a Do you enjoy pain?

    What you proclaimed was:
    07/24/2023
    <https://groups.google.com/g/rec.bicycles.tech/ c/7IcUdM6SCOs/
    m/6JYj_0F7BgAJ>
    "When the universities started talking about AI I was one of the first
    in private business to program AI into medical instruments."

    I'm just amused that he continues to tell himself that he has any
    experience in AI. AI requires some type of dataset that the system can
    append and/or modify on its own (aka 'learn'). Nothing tommyboy ever
    worked on had a usable dataset or even had the capability to do
    anything more than generate chromatography plots or control stepper
    motors. Besides that, we're talking about a guy who posted a piece of
    code he allegedly wrote here, then couldn't understand how I figured
    out what the hardware target was - hardly the hallmark of someone who
    would have been involved in the most cutting edge software development
    of the time.



    Well, the Democrats have been passing out fear messages as if AI
    would take over the world.

    yeah, like John Curtis (R-Utah), Josh Hawley (R-Missouri), and (R-
    Louisiana)
    https://www.politico.com/news/2026/09/21/senate-republicans- ai-
    safety-01085069

    I'm a registered Republican, not a Democrat.-a However, I will admit to
    occasionally voting Democrat (or throwing my vote away when neither
    party can produce a worthwhile candidate).-a I do not fear AI.-a I fear
    those who will use AI as a weapon.

    Ditto


    This is all BS and here is an article that pretty much echoes what I
    said.
    https://www.livescience.com/archaeology/human-evolution/ the-real-
    ai-danger-is-not-superintelligence-it-is- premature-trust-opinion
    (appended tracking information deleted from URL).

    True.-a AI won't be a threat, but is likely to be a disappointment,
    just like the title to the article you didn't bother to read:
    "We're not about to awaken an evil digital god - AI is far more likely
    to end in a great disappointment".
    Have you invested your millions in AI companies?

    Why would anyone be afraid of something with an off switch?

    They don't have off switches. They have firmware controlled power
    management systems that the AI itself can manipulate. As an example,
    it's possible to write firmware that ignores the power button on your
    PC. Sure, you can unplug from the wall, but imagine you're in a data
    center where the system has access control to the server room and
    won't let you in. Sure, go to the mains power coming into the building
    and disconnect it - Unless the data center has been configured to use
    a dedicated power plant that it also has control over (https://
    blog.ucs.org/mike-jacobs/power-hungry-why-data- centers-are-
    developing-their-own-energy-sources-to-fuel-ai/).

    Short of contracting a sapper to set up a C4 charge at the power
    source, if the AI system decides it doesn't want you to shut it down,
    'manual' shut down systems won't work.

    I won't go so far as to claim fear, but there are legitimate concerns
    over the damage that an AI system managing a financial institution can
    wreak before it's disabled.


    For DC circuits, turning on a switch might create a small spark.
    However, turning off the switch can result in a large hot arc and
    potentially a fire or explosion.





    The sticking point here is not technical, it's liability, and no one has found any answers thus far.

    When a level 2 (assistance, warnings) auto crashes, it's the driver's liability. When a level 3 (full autonomous; driver can be asleep) auto crashes, it's the system provider's liability.-a Extend that beyond autos
    to other areas (pharmaceuticals, legal advice, traffic signals, power management...) and you have a tort minefield.

    Then throw in a CEO who's the worlds richest person who has been
    instrumental in dismantling the regulatory and watchdog agencies meant
    to oversee such systems and can influence (aka 'purchase') legislation
    that shields them from such liability.....


    The current players are deeply upside down on capex without a compelling revenue/ROI model, and they desperately need a solution, hence the pleas
    for regulation. In theory, the provider could fall back on, 'The US Government approved this system.' I can't see any possible functional regulatory regime, as the regulators will be captured posthaste.

    Technically, a regulator would need to examine and test every bit of
    code in gargantuan systems across myriad platforms and rigorously test
    all the various modules under nearly infinite scenarios. Good luck with that.




    --- Synchronet 3.22a-Linux NewsLink 1.2
  • From AMuzi@am@yellowjersey.org to rec.bicycles.tech on Thu Oct 1 09:39:23 2026
    From Newsgroup: rec.bicycles.tech

    On 10/1/2026 4:02 AM, zen cycle wrote:
    On 9/30/2026 8:39 AM, AMuzi wrote:
    On 9/30/2026 5:18 AM, zen cycle wrote:
    On 9/17/2026 11:12 PM, Jeff Liebermann wrote:
    On Thu, 17 Sep 2026 19:39:32 GMT, cyclintom
    <cyclintom@yahoo.com>
    wrote:

    That stupid low life Liebermann cried as usual that I
    didn't know what I said that I had been one of the
    first to program using artificial intelligence and in
    my opinion it offered no threat to anyone.

    Masochist.-a Among all the RBT readers, who might agree
    with you, you
    chose the one person who will consistently demonstrate
    that you lie,
    misinterpret and distort.-a Do you enjoy pain?

    What you proclaimed was:
    07/24/2023
    <https://groups.google.com/g/rec.bicycles.tech/
    c/7IcUdM6SCOs/ m/6JYj_0F7BgAJ>
    "When the universities started talking about AI I was
    one of the first
    in private business to program AI into medical
    instruments."

    I'm just amused that he continues to tell himself that he
    has any experience in AI. AI requires some type of
    dataset that the system can append and/or modify on its
    own (aka 'learn'). Nothing tommyboy ever worked on had a
    usable dataset or even had the capability to do anything
    more than generate chromatography plots or control
    stepper motors. Besides that, we're talking about a guy
    who posted a piece of code he allegedly wrote here, then
    couldn't understand how I figured out what the hardware
    target was - hardly the hallmark of someone who would
    have been involved in the most cutting edge software
    development of the time.



    Well, the Democrats have been passing out fear messages
    as if AI would take over the world.

    yeah, like John Curtis (R-Utah), Josh Hawley (R-
    Missouri), and (R- Louisiana)
    https://www.politico.com/news/2026/09/21/senate-
    republicans- ai- safety-01085069

    I'm a registered Republican, not a Democrat.-a However, I
    will admit to
    occasionally voting Democrat (or throwing my vote away
    when neither
    party can produce a worthwhile candidate).-a I do not
    fear AI.-a I fear
    those who will use AI as a weapon.

    Ditto


    This is all BS and here is an article that pretty much
    echoes what I said.
    https://www.livescience.com/archaeology/human-
    evolution/ the-real- ai-danger-is-not-
    superintelligence-it-is- premature-trust-opinion
    (appended tracking information deleted from URL).

    True.-a AI won't be a threat, but is likely to be a
    disappointment,
    just like the title to the article you didn't bother to
    read:
    "We're not about to awaken an evil digital god - AI is
    far more likely
    to end in a great disappointment".
    Have you invested your millions in AI companies?

    Why would anyone be afraid of something with an off
    switch?

    They don't have off switches. They have firmware
    controlled power management systems that the AI itself
    can manipulate. As an example, it's possible to write
    firmware that ignores the power button on your PC. Sure,
    you can unplug from the wall, but imagine you're in a
    data center where the system has access control to the
    server room and won't let you in. Sure, go to the mains
    power coming into the building and disconnect it - Unless
    the data center has been configured to use a dedicated
    power plant that it also has control over (https://
    blog.ucs.org/mike-jacobs/power-hungry-why-data- centers-
    are- developing-their-own-energy-sources-to-fuel-ai/).

    Short of contracting a sapper to set up a C4 charge at
    the power source, if the AI system decides it doesn't
    want you to shut it down, 'manual' shut down systems
    won't work.

    I won't go so far as to claim fear, but there are
    legitimate concerns over the damage that an AI system
    managing a financial institution can wreak before it's
    disabled.


    For DC circuits, turning on a switch might create a
    small spark.
    However, turning off the switch can result in a large
    hot arc and
    potentially a fire or explosion.





    The sticking point here is not technical, it's liability,
    and no one has found any answers thus far.

    When a level 2 (assistance, warnings) auto crashes, it's
    the driver's liability. When a level 3 (full autonomous;
    driver can be asleep) auto crashes, it's the system
    provider's liability.-a Extend that beyond autos to other
    areas (pharmaceuticals, legal advice, traffic signals,
    power management...) and you have a tort minefield.

    Then throw in a CEO who's the worlds richest person who has
    been instrumental in dismantling the regulatory and watchdog
    agencies meant to oversee such systems and can influence
    (aka 'purchase') legislation that shields them from such
    liability.....


    The current players are deeply upside down on capex
    without a compelling revenue/ROI model, and they
    desperately need a solution, hence the pleas for
    regulation. In theory, the provider could fall back on,
    'The US Government approved this system.' I can't see any
    possible functional regulatory regime, as the regulators
    will be captured posthaste.

    Technically, a regulator would need to examine and test
    every bit of code in gargantuan systems across myriad
    platforms and rigorously test all the various modules
    under nearly infinite scenarios. Good luck with that.





    Most regulation is harassment at best. It quickly devolves
    to rent seeking and outright corruption/extortion and the
    agency devolves into a system to protect, enrich and
    multiply staff without regard to whatever the original
    purpose. Examples abound.

    In this particular area, there cannot be any practical
    effective regulation, assuming someone somewhere has an end
    goal (what exactly should the regulation accomplish?).

    The larger point, which Mr Trump got right away, is that our
    world culture will continue development. Any statutory
    limitation, real or putative, effective or not, will be
    roundly ignored by the CCP, the Norks and the Russians,
    inter alia, besides a host of independent bright young minds
    freelancing everywhere 24x7.

    The liability issue is real. So are the geopolitical risks.
    --
    Andrew Muzi
    am@yellowjersey.org
    Open every day since 1 April, 1971
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