The BLACK 559 32 HOLE NMSW VELOCITY DYAD
The blacl 559 32 hole NMSW Velosity Dyad rim I bought from Pro Wheel
Builders has been shipped. In the end I chose the slightly wider Dyad
instead of the A23 even though the A23 more closely matched the
original Catike rim. The spokes and nipples from Universal Cycles have
also been shipped. I'll start disassembling the wheel with the Shimano
hub I'm going to use. The 559 Sun Rhyno-Lite rim and the 266mm and
268mm length spokes will go in my probably_never_will_use bin
--
C'est bon
Soloman
On 8/6/2026 12:34 PM, Catrike Ryder wrote:
The BLACK 559 32 HOLE NMSW VELOCITY DYAD
The blacl 559 32 hole NMSW Velosity Dyad rim I bought from Pro Wheel
Builders has been shipped. In the end I chose the slightly wider Dyad
instead of the A23 even though the A23 more closely matched the
original Catike rim. The spokes and nipples from Universal Cycles have
also been shipped. I'll start disassembling the wheel with the Shimano
hub I'm going to use. The 559 Sun Rhyno-Lite rim and the 266mm and
268mm length spokes will go in my probably_never_will_use bin
--
C'est bon
Soloman
+1
Dyad is much more appropriate IMHO.
The 50 grams are negligible to a Cat Trike and Dyad are much
tougher.
On Thu, 6 Aug 2026 12:41:56 -0500, AMuzi <am@yellowjersey.org> wrote:My rear wheel is a Vision 30 disc and I really like it I don't think I
On 8/6/2026 12:34 PM, Catrike Ryder wrote:
The BLACK 559 32 HOLE NMSW VELOCITY DYAD
The blacl 559 32 hole NMSW Velosity Dyad rim I bought from Pro Wheel
Builders has been shipped. In the end I chose the slightly wider Dyad
instead of the A23 even though the A23 more closely matched the
original Catike rim. The spokes and nipples from Universal Cycles have
also been shipped. I'll start disassembling the wheel with the Shimano
hub I'm going to use. The 559 Sun Rhyno-Lite rim and the 266mm and
268mm length spokes will go in my probably_never_will_use bin
--
C'est bon
Soloman
+1
Dyad is much more appropriate IMHO.
The 50 grams are negligible to a Cat Trike and Dyad are much
tougher.
I don't know why Catrike chose such a narrow rim (22.4 outer, 16.4
inner) given that the original equipment tires are 40MM.
--
C'est bon
Soloman
On Thu, 6 Aug 2026 12:41:56 -0500, AMuzi <am@yellowjersey.org> wrote:
On 8/6/2026 12:34 PM, Catrike Ryder wrote:
The BLACK 559 32 HOLE NMSW VELOCITY DYAD
The blacl 559 32 hole NMSW Velosity Dyad rim I bought from Pro Wheel
Builders has been shipped. In the end I chose the slightly wider Dyad
instead of the A23 even though the A23 more closely matched the
original Catike rim. The spokes and nipples from Universal Cycles have
also been shipped. I'll start disassembling the wheel with the Shimano
hub I'm going to use. The 559 Sun Rhyno-Lite rim and the 266mm and
268mm length spokes will go in my probably_never_will_use bin
--
C'est bon
Soloman
+1
Dyad is much more appropriate IMHO.
The 50 grams are negligible to a Cat Trike and Dyad are much
tougher.
I don't know why Catrike chose such a narrow rim (22.4 outer, 16.4
inner) given that the original equipment tires are 40MM.
--
C'est bon
Soloman
On 8/6/2026 12:57 PM, Catrike Ryder wrote:
On Thu, 6 Aug 2026 12:41:56 -0500, AMuzi <am@yellowjersey.org> wrote:My rear wheel is a Vision 30 disc and I really like it I don't think I
On 8/6/2026 12:34 PM, Catrike Ryder wrote:
The BLACK 559 32 HOLE NMSW VELOCITY DYAD
The blacl 559 32 hole NMSW Velosity Dyad rim I bought from Pro Wheel
Builders has been shipped. In the end I chose the slightly wider Dyad
instead of the A23 even though the A23 more closely matched the
original Catike rim. The spokes and nipples from Universal Cycles have >>>> also been shipped. I'll start disassembling the wheel with the Shimano >>>> hub I'm going to use. The 559 Sun Rhyno-Lite rim and the 266mm and
268mm length spokes will go in my probably_never_will_use bin
--
C'est bon
Soloman
+1
Dyad is much more appropriate IMHO.
The 50 grams are negligible to a Cat Trike and Dyad are much
tougher.
I don't know why Catrike chose such a narrow rim (22.4 outer, 16.4
inner) given that the original equipment tires are 40MM.
--
C'est bon
Soloman
could build a better wheel. Has Schwalbe One tire which I find decent
but I am thinking of going to the Conti GR prix 5000 30mm tire when this goes. Would you think that would be a better tire? Given a disc that is
not near anything I could go wider even 32. Be curious if you think that might be a better rear tire?
The BLACK 559 32 HOLE NMSW VELOCITY DYAD
The blacl 559 32 hole NMSW Velosity Dyad rim I bought from Pro Wheel
Builders has been shipped. In the end I chose the slightly wider Dyad
instead of the A23 even though the A23 more closely matched the
original Catike rim. The spokes and nipples from Universal Cycles have
also been shipped. I'll start disassembling the wheel with the Shimano
hub I'm going to use. The 559 Sun Rhyno-Lite rim and the 266mm and
268mm length spokes will go in my probably_never_will_use bin
--
C'est bon
Soloman
On 2026-08-06, Catrike Ryder <Soloman@old.bikers.org> wrote:
The BLACK 559 32 HOLE NMSW VELOCITY DYAD
The blacl 559 32 hole NMSW Velosity Dyad rim I bought from Pro Wheel
Builders has been shipped. In the end I chose the slightly wider Dyad
instead of the A23 even though the A23 more closely matched the
original Catike rim. The spokes and nipples from Universal Cycles have
also been shipped. I'll start disassembling the wheel with the Shimano
hub I'm going to use. The 559 Sun Rhyno-Lite rim and the 266mm and
268mm length spokes will go in my probably_never_will_use bin
--
C'est bon
Soloman
Does Velocity still offer their 'OC' or Off-Center rim? If so, is that what you decided to use?
I think it's a great idea to reduce or remove the amount of dishing needed.
More spokes is more better..why not 40 or 48? As a Clydesdale, I like my 48 spoke wheels Mavic Mod 4, 4X (could have done 5x, I guess) straight gauge spokes and Phil Wood (RIP) hubs. 27" as God intended, of course!
Now I just have to ride it more!
pH
On 2026-08-06, Catrike Ryder <Soloman@old.bikers.org> wrote:
The BLACK 559 32 HOLE NMSW VELOCITY DYAD
The blacl 559 32 hole NMSW Velosity Dyad rim I bought from Pro Wheel
Builders has been shipped. In the end I chose the slightly wider Dyad
instead of the A23 even though the A23 more closely matched the
original Catike rim. The spokes and nipples from Universal Cycles have
also been shipped. I'll start disassembling the wheel with the Shimano
hub I'm going to use. The 559 Sun Rhyno-Lite rim and the 266mm and
268mm length spokes will go in my probably_never_will_use bin
--
C'est bon
Soloman
Does Velocity still offer their 'OC' or Off-Center rim? If so, is that what >you decided to use?
I think it's a great idea to reduce or remove the amount of dishing needed.
More spokes is more better..why not 40 or 48? As a Clydesdale, I like my 48 >spoke wheels Mavic Mod 4, 4X (could have done 5x, I guess) straight gauge >spokes and Phil Wood (RIP) hubs. 27" as God intended, of course!
Now I just have to ride it more!
pH
On 8/6/2026 8:22 PM, pH wrote:
On 2026-08-06, Catrike Ryder <Soloman@old.bikers.org> wrote:
The BLACK 559 32 HOLE NMSW VELOCITY DYAD
The blacl 559 32 hole NMSW Velosity Dyad rim I bought from Pro Wheel
Builders has been shipped. In the end I chose the slightly wider Dyad
instead of the A23 even though the A23 more closely matched the
original Catike rim. The spokes and nipples from Universal Cycles have
also been shipped. I'll start disassembling the wheel with the Shimano
hub I'm going to use. The 559 Sun Rhyno-Lite rim and the 266mm and
268mm length spokes will go in my probably_never_will_use bin
--
C'est bon
Soloman
Does Velocity still offer their 'OC' or Off-Center rim? If so, is that what >> you decided to use?
I think it's a great idea to reduce or remove the amount of dishing needed. >>
More spokes is more better..why not 40 or 48? As a Clydesdale, I like my 48 >> spoke wheels Mavic Mod 4, 4X (could have done 5x, I guess) straight gauge >> spokes and Phil Wood (RIP) hubs. 27" as God intended, of course!
Now I just have to ride it more!
pH
A23 is made in OC format in 700C (622) but not 26 decimal (559).
Cat Trike is a 135mm hub, not 130mm, so the left to right
tension differential is not extreme.
In a perfect world, you're right, OC is better. But for a
hefty, tough rim such as Dyad or Atlas on 135mm, it's not
critical.
On 2026-08-07, AMuzi <am@yellowjersey.org> wrote:
On 8/6/2026 8:22 PM, pH wrote:Ah, this is good to know. I had not realized that the wider hub width is >beneficial. But after you mentioned it and thinking about it...yes, of >course!
On 2026-08-06, Catrike Ryder <Soloman@old.bikers.org> wrote:
The BLACK 559 32 HOLE NMSW VELOCITY DYAD
The blacl 559 32 hole NMSW Velosity Dyad rim I bought from Pro Wheel
Builders has been shipped. In the end I chose the slightly wider Dyad
instead of the A23 even though the A23 more closely matched the
original Catike rim. The spokes and nipples from Universal Cycles have >>>> also been shipped. I'll start disassembling the wheel with the Shimano >>>> hub I'm going to use. The 559 Sun Rhyno-Lite rim and the 266mm and
268mm length spokes will go in my probably_never_will_use bin
--
C'est bon
Soloman
Does Velocity still offer their 'OC' or Off-Center rim? If so, is that what
you decided to use?
I think it's a great idea to reduce or remove the amount of dishing needed. >>>
More spokes is more better..why not 40 or 48? As a Clydesdale, I like my 48
spoke wheels Mavic Mod 4, 4X (could have done 5x, I guess) straight gauge >>> spokes and Phil Wood (RIP) hubs. 27" as God intended, of course!
Now I just have to ride it more!
pH
A23 is made in OC format in 700C (622) but not 26 decimal (559).
Cat Trike is a 135mm hub, not 130mm, so the left to right
tension differential is not extreme.
In a perfect world, you're right, OC is better. But for a
hefty, tough rim such as Dyad or Atlas on 135mm, it's not
critical.
The old 5 speed freewheel wheels were 126mm, wern't they?
pH
On 2026-08-07, AMuzi <am@yellowjersey.org> wrote:
On 8/6/2026 8:22 PM, pH wrote:Ah, this is good to know. I had not realized that the wider hub width is beneficial. But after you mentioned it and thinking about it...yes, of course!
On 2026-08-06, Catrike Ryder <Soloman@old.bikers.org> wrote:
The BLACK 559 32 HOLE NMSW VELOCITY DYAD
The blacl 559 32 hole NMSW Velosity Dyad rim I bought from Pro Wheel
Builders has been shipped. In the end I chose the slightly wider Dyad
instead of the A23 even though the A23 more closely matched the
original Catike rim. The spokes and nipples from Universal Cycles have >>>> also been shipped. I'll start disassembling the wheel with the Shimano >>>> hub I'm going to use. The 559 Sun Rhyno-Lite rim and the 266mm and
268mm length spokes will go in my probably_never_will_use bin
--
C'est bon
Soloman
Does Velocity still offer their 'OC' or Off-Center rim? If so, is that what
you decided to use?
I think it's a great idea to reduce or remove the amount of dishing needed. >>>
More spokes is more better..why not 40 or 48? As a Clydesdale, I like my 48
spoke wheels Mavic Mod 4, 4X (could have done 5x, I guess) straight gauge >>> spokes and Phil Wood (RIP) hubs. 27" as God intended, of course!
Now I just have to ride it more!
pH
A23 is made in OC format in 700C (622) but not 26 decimal (559).
Cat Trike is a 135mm hub, not 130mm, so the left to right
tension differential is not extreme.
In a perfect world, you're right, OC is better. But for a
hefty, tough rim such as Dyad or Atlas on 135mm, it's not
critical.
The old 5 speed freewheel wheels were 126mm, wern't they?
pH
On Sat, 8 Aug 2026 03:51:00 -0000 (UTC), pH <wNOSPAMp@gmail.org>
wrote:
On 2026-08-07, AMuzi <am@yellowjersey.org> wrote:
On 8/6/2026 8:22 PM, pH wrote:Ah, this is good to know. I had not realized that the wider hub width is
On 2026-08-06, Catrike Ryder <Soloman@old.bikers.org> wrote:
The BLACK 559 32 HOLE NMSW VELOCITY DYAD
The blacl 559 32 hole NMSW Velosity Dyad rim I bought from Pro Wheel >>>>> Builders has been shipped. In the end I chose the slightly wider Dyad >>>>> instead of the A23 even though the A23 more closely matched the
original Catike rim. The spokes and nipples from Universal Cycles have >>>>> also been shipped. I'll start disassembling the wheel with the Shimano >>>>> hub I'm going to use. The 559 Sun Rhyno-Lite rim and the 266mm and
268mm length spokes will go in my probably_never_will_use bin
--
C'est bon
Soloman
Does Velocity still offer their 'OC' or Off-Center rim? If so, is that what
you decided to use?
I think it's a great idea to reduce or remove the amount of dishing needed.
More spokes is more better..why not 40 or 48? As a Clydesdale, I like my 48
spoke wheels Mavic Mod 4, 4X (could have done 5x, I guess) straight gauge >>>> spokes and Phil Wood (RIP) hubs. 27" as God intended, of course!
Now I just have to ride it more!
pH
A23 is made in OC format in 700C (622) but not 26 decimal (559).
Cat Trike is a 135mm hub, not 130mm, so the left to right
tension differential is not extreme.
In a perfect world, you're right, OC is better. But for a
hefty, tough rim such as Dyad or Atlas on 135mm, it's not
critical.
beneficial. But after you mentioned it and thinking about it...yes, of
course!
The old 5 speed freewheel wheels were 126mm, wern't they?
pH
What a surprise to find the nipples on the Sun Rhyno-Lite wheel I
planned on disassembling for the hub did not have a slot for my Park
Tool ND-1 Nipple Driver tool. Closer look says they are hex head so
now I have to wait for the three headed hex Park tool I ordered to get
here. My shaky arthritic fingers are not going to unscrew all 32 of
them with a nipple wrench. Cutting the spokes was an option but I'm
too much of a hoarder of stuff I'm never going to use to do that....
.
--
C'est bon
Soloman
On 8/8/2026 3:02 AM, Catrike Ryder wrote:
On Sat, 8 Aug 2026 03:51:00 -0000 (UTC), pH <wNOSPAMp@gmail.org>
wrote:
On 2026-08-07, AMuzi <am@yellowjersey.org> wrote:
On 8/6/2026 8:22 PM, pH wrote:Ah, this is good to know. I had not realized that the wider hub width is >>> beneficial. But after you mentioned it and thinking about it...yes, of
On 2026-08-06, Catrike Ryder <Soloman@old.bikers.org> wrote:
The BLACK 559 32 HOLE NMSW VELOCITY DYAD
The blacl 559 32 hole NMSW Velosity Dyad rim I bought from Pro Wheel >>>>>> Builders has been shipped. In the end I chose the slightly wider Dyad >>>>>> instead of the A23 even though the A23 more closely matched the
original Catike rim. The spokes and nipples from Universal Cycles have >>>>>> also been shipped. I'll start disassembling the wheel with the Shimano >>>>>> hub I'm going to use. The 559 Sun Rhyno-Lite rim and the 266mm and >>>>>> 268mm length spokes will go in my probably_never_will_use bin
--
C'est bon
Soloman
Does Velocity still offer their 'OC' or Off-Center rim? If so, is that what
you decided to use?
I think it's a great idea to reduce or remove the amount of dishing needed.
More spokes is more better..why not 40 or 48? As a Clydesdale, I like my 48
spoke wheels Mavic Mod 4, 4X (could have done 5x, I guess) straight gauge
spokes and Phil Wood (RIP) hubs. 27" as God intended, of course!
Now I just have to ride it more!
pH
A23 is made in OC format in 700C (622) but not 26 decimal (559).
Cat Trike is a 135mm hub, not 130mm, so the left to right
tension differential is not extreme.
In a perfect world, you're right, OC is better. But for a
hefty, tough rim such as Dyad or Atlas on 135mm, it's not
critical.
course!
The old 5 speed freewheel wheels were 126mm, wern't they?
pH
What a surprise to find the nipples on the Sun Rhyno-Lite wheel I
planned on disassembling for the hub did not have a slot for my Park
Tool ND-1 Nipple Driver tool. Closer look says they are hex head so
now I have to wait for the three headed hex Park tool I ordered to get
here. My shaky arthritic fingers are not going to unscrew all 32 of
them with a nipple wrench. Cutting the spokes was an option but I'm
too much of a hoarder of stuff I'm never going to use to do that....
.
--
C'est bon
Soloman
That works, but if you had a more pressing schedule you
could remove a nipple and visit a hardware store for a nut
driver or a socket. Most hex nips are 5.5mm, but not all.
On Sat, 8 Aug 2026 08:02:24 -0500, AMuzi <am@yellowjersey.org> wrote:
On 8/8/2026 3:02 AM, Catrike Ryder wrote:
On Sat, 8 Aug 2026 03:51:00 -0000 (UTC), pH <wNOSPAMp@gmail.org>
wrote:
On 2026-08-07, AMuzi <am@yellowjersey.org> wrote:
On 8/6/2026 8:22 PM, pH wrote:Ah, this is good to know. I had not realized that the wider hub width is >>>> beneficial. But after you mentioned it and thinking about it...yes, of >>>> course!
On 2026-08-06, Catrike Ryder <Soloman@old.bikers.org> wrote:
The BLACK 559 32 HOLE NMSW VELOCITY DYAD
The blacl 559 32 hole NMSW Velosity Dyad rim I bought from Pro Wheel >>>>>>> Builders has been shipped. In the end I chose the slightly wider Dyad >>>>>>> instead of the A23 even though the A23 more closely matched the
original Catike rim. The spokes and nipples from Universal Cycles have >>>>>>> also been shipped. I'll start disassembling the wheel with the Shimano >>>>>>> hub I'm going to use. The 559 Sun Rhyno-Lite rim and the 266mm and >>>>>>> 268mm length spokes will go in my probably_never_will_use bin
--
C'est bon
Soloman
Does Velocity still offer their 'OC' or Off-Center rim? If so, is that what
you decided to use?
I think it's a great idea to reduce or remove the amount of dishing needed.
More spokes is more better..why not 40 or 48? As a Clydesdale, I like my 48
spoke wheels Mavic Mod 4, 4X (could have done 5x, I guess) straight gauge
spokes and Phil Wood (RIP) hubs. 27" as God intended, of course!
Now I just have to ride it more!
pH
A23 is made in OC format in 700C (622) but not 26 decimal (559).
Cat Trike is a 135mm hub, not 130mm, so the left to right
tension differential is not extreme.
In a perfect world, you're right, OC is better. But for a
hefty, tough rim such as Dyad or Atlas on 135mm, it's not
critical.
The old 5 speed freewheel wheels were 126mm, wern't they?
pH
What a surprise to find the nipples on the Sun Rhyno-Lite wheel I
planned on disassembling for the hub did not have a slot for my Park
Tool ND-1 Nipple Driver tool. Closer look says they are hex head so
now I have to wait for the three headed hex Park tool I ordered to get
here. My shaky arthritic fingers are not going to unscrew all 32 of
them with a nipple wrench. Cutting the spokes was an option but I'm
too much of a hoarder of stuff I'm never going to use to do that....
.
--
C'est bon
Soloman
That works, but if you had a more pressing schedule you
could remove a nipple and visit a hardware store for a nut
driver or a socket. Most hex nips are 5.5mm, but not all.
After I posted that I scruffed around and found a set with a socket
that fit it. Then I looked at the Park Tool I bought and saw it was a
male hex tool. I attempted to cancel it. Don't know if it will go
through. I shouldn't order anything until I've had my second coffee.
--
C'est bon
Soloman
On 8/8/2026 8:35 AM, Catrike Ryder wrote:
On Sat, 8 Aug 2026 08:02:24 -0500, AMuzi <am@yellowjersey.org> wrote:
On 8/8/2026 3:02 AM, Catrike Ryder wrote:
On Sat, 8 Aug 2026 03:51:00 -0000 (UTC), pH <wNOSPAMp@gmail.org>
wrote:
On 2026-08-07, AMuzi <am@yellowjersey.org> wrote:
On 8/6/2026 8:22 PM, pH wrote:Ah, this is good to know. I had not realized that the wider hub width is >>>>> beneficial. But after you mentioned it and thinking about it...yes, of >>>>> course!
On 2026-08-06, Catrike Ryder <Soloman@old.bikers.org> wrote:
The BLACK 559 32 HOLE NMSW VELOCITY DYAD
The blacl 559 32 hole NMSW Velosity Dyad rim I bought from Pro Wheel >>>>>>>> Builders has been shipped. In the end I chose the slightly wider Dyad >>>>>>>> instead of the A23 even though the A23 more closely matched the >>>>>>>> original Catike rim. The spokes and nipples from Universal Cycles have >>>>>>>> also been shipped. I'll start disassembling the wheel with the Shimano >>>>>>>> hub I'm going to use. The 559 Sun Rhyno-Lite rim and the 266mm and >>>>>>>> 268mm length spokes will go in my probably_never_will_use bin
--
C'est bon
Soloman
Does Velocity still offer their 'OC' or Off-Center rim? If so, is that what
you decided to use?
I think it's a great idea to reduce or remove the amount of dishing needed.
More spokes is more better..why not 40 or 48? As a Clydesdale, I like my 48
spoke wheels Mavic Mod 4, 4X (could have done 5x, I guess) straight gauge
spokes and Phil Wood (RIP) hubs. 27" as God intended, of course! >>>>>>>
Now I just have to ride it more!
pH
A23 is made in OC format in 700C (622) but not 26 decimal (559).
Cat Trike is a 135mm hub, not 130mm, so the left to right
tension differential is not extreme.
In a perfect world, you're right, OC is better. But for a
hefty, tough rim such as Dyad or Atlas on 135mm, it's not
critical.
The old 5 speed freewheel wheels were 126mm, wern't they?
pH
What a surprise to find the nipples on the Sun Rhyno-Lite wheel I
planned on disassembling for the hub did not have a slot for my Park
Tool ND-1 Nipple Driver tool. Closer look says they are hex head so
now I have to wait for the three headed hex Park tool I ordered to get >>>> here. My shaky arthritic fingers are not going to unscrew all 32 of
them with a nipple wrench. Cutting the spokes was an option but I'm
too much of a hoarder of stuff I'm never going to use to do that....
.
--
C'est bon
Soloman
That works, but if you had a more pressing schedule you
could remove a nipple and visit a hardware store for a nut
driver or a socket. Most hex nips are 5.5mm, but not all.
After I posted that I scruffed around and found a set with a socket
that fit it. Then I looked at the Park Tool I bought and saw it was a
male hex tool. I attempted to cancel it. Don't know if it will go
through. I shouldn't order anything until I've had my second coffee.
--
C'est bon
Soloman
We find these handy as they spin easily.
https://capricornrc.com/14-large_default/55mm-nut-driver---official-price-1690e.jpg
On Sat, 8 Aug 2026 08:47:06 -0500, AMuzi <am@yellowjersey.org> wrote:
On 8/8/2026 8:35 AM, Catrike Ryder wrote:
On Sat, 8 Aug 2026 08:02:24 -0500, AMuzi <am@yellowjersey.org> wrote:
On 8/8/2026 3:02 AM, Catrike Ryder wrote:
On Sat, 8 Aug 2026 03:51:00 -0000 (UTC), pH <wNOSPAMp@gmail.org>
wrote:
On 2026-08-07, AMuzi <am@yellowjersey.org> wrote:
On 8/6/2026 8:22 PM, pH wrote:Ah, this is good to know. I had not realized that the wider hub width is
On 2026-08-06, Catrike Ryder <Soloman@old.bikers.org> wrote:
The BLACK 559 32 HOLE NMSW VELOCITY DYAD
The blacl 559 32 hole NMSW Velosity Dyad rim I bought from Pro Wheel >>>>>>>>> Builders has been shipped. In the end I chose the slightly wider Dyad >>>>>>>>> instead of the A23 even though the A23 more closely matched the >>>>>>>>> original Catike rim. The spokes and nipples from Universal Cycles have
also been shipped. I'll start disassembling the wheel with the Shimano
hub I'm going to use. The 559 Sun Rhyno-Lite rim and the 266mm and >>>>>>>>> 268mm length spokes will go in my probably_never_will_use bin >>>>>>>>>
--
C'est bon
Soloman
Does Velocity still offer their 'OC' or Off-Center rim? If so, is that what
you decided to use?
I think it's a great idea to reduce or remove the amount of dishing needed.
More spokes is more better..why not 40 or 48? As a Clydesdale, I like my 48
spoke wheels Mavic Mod 4, 4X (could have done 5x, I guess) straight gauge
spokes and Phil Wood (RIP) hubs. 27" as God intended, of course! >>>>>>>>
Now I just have to ride it more!
pH
A23 is made in OC format in 700C (622) but not 26 decimal (559). >>>>>>>
Cat Trike is a 135mm hub, not 130mm, so the left to right
tension differential is not extreme.
In a perfect world, you're right, OC is better. But for a
hefty, tough rim such as Dyad or Atlas on 135mm, it's not
critical.
beneficial. But after you mentioned it and thinking about it...yes, of >>>>>> course!
The old 5 speed freewheel wheels were 126mm, wern't they?
pH
What a surprise to find the nipples on the Sun Rhyno-Lite wheel I
planned on disassembling for the hub did not have a slot for my Park >>>>> Tool ND-1 Nipple Driver tool. Closer look says they are hex head so
now I have to wait for the three headed hex Park tool I ordered to get >>>>> here. My shaky arthritic fingers are not going to unscrew all 32 of
them with a nipple wrench. Cutting the spokes was an option but I'm
too much of a hoarder of stuff I'm never going to use to do that.... >>>>> .
--
C'est bon
Soloman
That works, but if you had a more pressing schedule you
could remove a nipple and visit a hardware store for a nut
driver or a socket. Most hex nips are 5.5mm, but not all.
After I posted that I scruffed around and found a set with a socket
that fit it. Then I looked at the Park Tool I bought and saw it was a
male hex tool. I attempted to cancel it. Don't know if it will go
through. I shouldn't order anything until I've had my second coffee.
--
C'est bon
Soloman
We find these handy as they spin easily.
https://capricornrc.com/14-large_default/55mm-nut-driver---official-price-1690e.jpg
The socket set I forgot I had was stuffed into the "junk and stuff"
drawer in the kittchen. It was a set of small sockets on shafts that
fit into a screwdriver type handle. The whole thing similar to your
tool. It made easy work of the dissassembly. The hex nipples seemed
easier to deal with than the slot nipples,
--
C'est bon
Soloman
On 8/7/2026 10:51 PM, pH wrote:
On 2026-08-07, AMuzi <am@yellowjersey.org> wrote:
On 8/6/2026 8:22 PM, pH wrote:Ah, this is good to know. I had not realized that the wider hub width is
On 2026-08-06, Catrike Ryder <Soloman@old.bikers.org> wrote:
The BLACK 559 32 HOLE NMSW VELOCITY DYAD
The blacl 559 32 hole NMSW Velosity Dyad rim I bought from Pro Wheel >>>>> Builders has been shipped. In the end I chose the slightly wider Dyad >>>>> instead of the A23 even though the A23 more closely matched the
original Catike rim. The spokes and nipples from Universal Cycles have >>>>> also been shipped. I'll start disassembling the wheel with the Shimano >>>>> hub I'm going to use. The 559 Sun Rhyno-Lite rim and the 266mm and
268mm length spokes will go in my probably_never_will_use bin
--
C'est bon
Soloman
Does Velocity still offer their 'OC' or Off-Center rim? If so, is that what
you decided to use?
I think it's a great idea to reduce or remove the amount of dishing needed.
More spokes is more better..why not 40 or 48? As a Clydesdale, I like my 48
spoke wheels Mavic Mod 4, 4X (could have done 5x, I guess) straight gauge >>>> spokes and Phil Wood (RIP) hubs. 27" as God intended, of course!
Now I just have to ride it more!
pH
A23 is made in OC format in 700C (622) but not 26 decimal (559).
Cat Trike is a 135mm hub, not 130mm, so the left to right
tension differential is not extreme.
In a perfect world, you're right, OC is better. But for a
hefty, tough rim such as Dyad or Atlas on 135mm, it's not
critical.
beneficial. But after you mentioned it and thinking about it...yes, of
course!
The old 5 speed freewheel wheels were 126mm, wern't they?
pH
Four speed freewheel hubs are 114/115 overall length.
Five freewheel hubs are 120mm OLD.
more on that:
http://www.yellowjersey.org/photosfromthepast/cahubspc.jpg http://www.yellowjersey.org/photosfromthepast/cahubspc.jpg
On 2026-08-08, AMuzi <am@yellowjersey.org> wrote:
On 8/7/2026 10:51 PM, pH wrote:
On 2026-08-07, AMuzi <am@yellowjersey.org> wrote:
On 8/6/2026 8:22 PM, pH wrote:Ah, this is good to know. I had not realized that the wider hub width is >>> beneficial. But after you mentioned it and thinking about it...yes, of
On 2026-08-06, Catrike Ryder <Soloman@old.bikers.org> wrote:
The BLACK 559 32 HOLE NMSW VELOCITY DYAD
The blacl 559 32 hole NMSW Velosity Dyad rim I bought from Pro Wheel >>>>>> Builders has been shipped. In the end I chose the slightly wider Dyad >>>>>> instead of the A23 even though the A23 more closely matched the
original Catike rim. The spokes and nipples from Universal Cycles have >>>>>> also been shipped. I'll start disassembling the wheel with the Shimano >>>>>> hub I'm going to use. The 559 Sun Rhyno-Lite rim and the 266mm and >>>>>> 268mm length spokes will go in my probably_never_will_use bin
--
C'est bon
Soloman
Does Velocity still offer their 'OC' or Off-Center rim? If so, is that what
you decided to use?
I think it's a great idea to reduce or remove the amount of dishing needed.
More spokes is more better..why not 40 or 48? As a Clydesdale, I like my 48
spoke wheels Mavic Mod 4, 4X (could have done 5x, I guess) straight gauge
spokes and Phil Wood (RIP) hubs. 27" as God intended, of course!
Now I just have to ride it more!
pH
A23 is made in OC format in 700C (622) but not 26 decimal (559).
Cat Trike is a 135mm hub, not 130mm, so the left to right
tension differential is not extreme.
In a perfect world, you're right, OC is better. But for a
hefty, tough rim such as Dyad or Atlas on 135mm, it's not
critical.
course!
The old 5 speed freewheel wheels were 126mm, wern't they?
pH
Four speed freewheel hubs are 114/115 overall length.
Five freewheel hubs are 120mm OLD.
more on that:
http://www.yellowjersey.org/photosfromthepast/cahubspc.jpg
http://www.yellowjersey.org/photosfromthepast/cahubspc.jpg
Okay, so the 126 is for my SunTour WinnerPro 6 (or whatever the model name is...I use six speed freewheels. Could just be Winner or New Winner, but it's been so long I forget.
pH
On 8/8/2026 11:47 PM, pH wrote:
On 2026-08-08, AMuzi <am@yellowjersey.org> wrote:
On 8/7/2026 10:51 PM, pH wrote:
On 2026-08-07, AMuzi <am@yellowjersey.org> wrote:
On 8/6/2026 8:22 PM, pH wrote:Ah, this is good to know.-a I had not realized that the wider hub
On 2026-08-06, Catrike Ryder <Soloman@old.bikers.org> wrote:
The BLACK 559 32 HOLE NMSW VELOCITY DYAD
The blacl 559 32 hole NMSW Velosity Dyad rim I bought from Pro Wheel >>>>>>> Builders has been shipped. In the end I chose the slightly wider >>>>>>> Dyad
instead of the A23 even though the A23 more closely matched the
original Catike rim. The spokes and nipples from Universal Cycles >>>>>>> have
also been shipped. I'll start disassembling the wheel with the
Shimano
hub I'm going to use. The 559 Sun Rhyno-Lite rim and the 266mm and >>>>>>> 268mm length spokes will go in my probably_never_will_use bin
--
C'est bon
Soloman
Does Velocity still offer their 'OC' or Off-Center rim?-a If so, is >>>>>> that what
you decided to use?
I think it's a great idea to reduce or remove the amount of
dishing needed.
More spokes is more better..why not 40 or 48?-a As a Clydesdale, I >>>>>> like my 48
spoke wheels-a Mavic Mod 4, 4X (could have done 5x, I guess)
straight gauge
spokes and Phil Wood (RIP) hubs. 27" as God intended, of course!
Now I just have to ride it more!
pH
A23 is made in OC format in 700C (622) but not 26 decimal (559).
Cat Trike is a 135mm hub, not 130mm, so the left to right
tension differential is not extreme.
In a perfect world, you're right, OC is better. But for a
hefty, tough rim such as Dyad or Atlas on 135mm, it's not
critical.
width is
beneficial.-a But after you mentioned it and thinking about it...yes, of >>>> course!
The old 5 speed freewheel wheels were 126mm, wern't they?
pH
Four speed freewheel hubs are 114/115 overall length.
Five freewheel hubs are 120mm OLD.
more on that:
http://www.yellowjersey.org/photosfromthepast/cahubspc.jpg
http://www.yellowjersey.org/photosfromthepast/cahubspc.jpg
Okay, so the 126 is for my SunTour WinnerPro 6 (or whatever the model
name
is...I use six speed freewheels.-a Could just be Winner or New Winner, but >> it's been so long I forget.
pH
Original Winner and New Winner (marked NWN on the cover plate) have a two-notch remover.
Winner Pro (gold faceplate), final Winner* (silver faceplate) and Alpha
have a four-notch remover.-a Microlite (aluminum) have six pegs.
https://www.yellowjersey.org/stkeys.html
* As with the Record and DuraAce series, the name was used over for completely different things.
On 8/9/2026 9:50 AM, AMuzi wrote:
On 8/8/2026 11:47 PM, pH wrote:
On 2026-08-08, AMuzi <am@yellowjersey.org> wrote:
On 8/7/2026 10:51 PM, pH wrote:
On 2026-08-07, AMuzi <am@yellowjersey.org> wrote:
On 8/6/2026 8:22 PM, pH wrote:Ah, this is good to know.-a I had not realized that the
On 2026-08-06, Catrike Ryder <Soloman@old.bikers.org>
wrote:
The BLACK 559 32 HOLE NMSW VELOCITY DYAD
The blacl 559 32 hole NMSW Velosity Dyad rim I
bought from Pro Wheel
Builders has been shipped. In the end I chose the
slightly wider Dyad
instead of the A23 even though the A23 more closely
matched the
original Catike rim. The spokes and nipples from
Universal Cycles have
also been shipped. I'll start disassembling the
wheel with the Shimano
hub I'm going to use. The 559 Sun Rhyno-Lite rim and
the 266mm and
268mm length spokes will go in my
probably_never_will_use bin
--
C'est bon
Soloman
Does Velocity still offer their 'OC' or Off-Center
rim?-a If so, is that what
you decided to use?
I think it's a great idea to reduce or remove the
amount of dishing needed.
More spokes is more better..why not 40 or 48?-a As a
Clydesdale, I like my 48
spoke wheels-a Mavic Mod 4, 4X (could have done 5x, I
guess) straight gauge
spokes and Phil Wood (RIP) hubs. 27" as God intended,
of course!
Now I just have to ride it more!
pH
A23 is made in OC format in 700C (622) but not 26
decimal (559).
Cat Trike is a 135mm hub, not 130mm, so the left to right
tension differential is not extreme.
In a perfect world, you're right, OC is better. But for a
hefty, tough rim such as Dyad or Atlas on 135mm, it's not
critical.
wider hub width is
beneficial.-a But after you mentioned it and thinking
about it...yes, of
course!
The old 5 speed freewheel wheels were 126mm, wern't they?
pH
Four speed freewheel hubs are 114/115 overall length.
Five freewheel hubs are 120mm OLD.
more on that:
http://www.yellowjersey.org/photosfromthepast/cahubspc.jpg
http://www.yellowjersey.org/photosfromthepast/cahubspc.jpg
Okay, so the 126 is for my SunTour WinnerPro 6 (or
whatever the model name
is...I use six speed freewheels.-a Could just be Winner or
New Winner, but
it's been so long I forget.
pH
Original Winner and New Winner (marked NWN on the cover
plate) have a two-notch remover.
worst fixing system ever....
Winner Pro (gold faceplate), final Winner* (silver
faceplate) and Alpha have a four-notch remover.-a Microlite
(aluminum) have six pegs.
https://www.yellowjersey.org/stkeys.html
* As with the Record and DuraAce series, the name was used
over for completely different things.
On 8/9/2026 7:27 PM, zen cycle wrote:
On 8/9/2026 9:50 AM, AMuzi wrote:
On 8/8/2026 11:47 PM, pH wrote:
On 2026-08-08, AMuzi <am@yellowjersey.org> wrote:
On 8/7/2026 10:51 PM, pH wrote:
On 2026-08-07, AMuzi <am@yellowjersey.org> wrote:
On 8/6/2026 8:22 PM, pH wrote:Ah, this is good to know.-a I had not realized that the wider hub >>>>>> width is
On 2026-08-06, Catrike Ryder <Soloman@old.bikers.org> wrote:
The BLACK 559 32 HOLE NMSW VELOCITY DYAD
The blacl 559 32 hole NMSW Velosity Dyad rim I bought from Pro >>>>>>>>> Wheel
Builders has been shipped. In the end I chose the slightly
wider Dyad
instead of the A23 even though the A23 more closely matched the >>>>>>>>> original Catike rim. The spokes and nipples from Universal
Cycles have
also been shipped. I'll start disassembling the wheel with the >>>>>>>>> Shimano
hub I'm going to use. The 559 Sun Rhyno-Lite rim and the 266mm and >>>>>>>>> 268mm length spokes will go in my probably_never_will_use bin >>>>>>>>>
--
C'est bon
Soloman
Does Velocity still offer their 'OC' or Off-Center rim?-a If so, >>>>>>>> is that what
you decided to use?
I think it's a great idea to reduce or remove the amount of
dishing needed.
More spokes is more better..why not 40 or 48?-a As a Clydesdale, >>>>>>>> I like my 48
spoke wheels-a Mavic Mod 4, 4X (could have done 5x, I guess)
straight gauge
spokes and Phil Wood (RIP) hubs. 27" as God intended, of course! >>>>>>>>
Now I just have to ride it more!
pH
A23 is made in OC format in 700C (622) but not 26 decimal (559). >>>>>>>
Cat Trike is a 135mm hub, not 130mm, so the left to right
tension differential is not extreme.
In a perfect world, you're right, OC is better. But for a
hefty, tough rim such as Dyad or Atlas on 135mm, it's not
critical.
beneficial.-a But after you mentioned it and thinking about
it...yes, of
course!
The old 5 speed freewheel wheels were 126mm, wern't they?
pH
Four speed freewheel hubs are 114/115 overall length.
Five freewheel hubs are 120mm OLD.
more on that:
http://www.yellowjersey.org/photosfromthepast/cahubspc.jpg
http://www.yellowjersey.org/photosfromthepast/cahubspc.jpg
Okay, so the 126 is for my SunTour WinnerPro 6 (or whatever the
model name
is...I use six speed freewheels.-a Could just be Winner or New
Winner, but
it's been so long I forget.
pH
Original Winner and New Winner (marked NWN on the cover plate) have a
two-notch remover.
worst fixing system ever....
Winner Pro (gold faceplate), final Winner* (silver faceplate) and
Alpha have a four-notch remover.-a Microlite (aluminum) have six pegs.
https://www.yellowjersey.org/stkeys.html
* As with the Record and DuraAce series, the name was used over for
completely different things.
Sorry but that's not true.
The original Suntour remover system has deep hefty engagement.
Worse are Regina/Atom which only have a small very hard lip sticking up. Full brutal documentation here:
https://www.bikeforums.net/classic-vintage/1039061-damaged-regina- freewheel-dremel-rescue.html
Not unlike Original Dura Ace by the way.
https://www.ebay.com/itm/276728659310
A step below that is the aluminum body Maillard 700 with a much more
fragile version of the same lousy design.
https://www.classicsteelbikes.com/product/maillard-700-course-dural- alloy-freewheel-6sp/
Cyclo-Pans added two notches to that aluminum body design for more
places to crack!
https://c1.staticflickr.com/9/8405/30003107056_8cf436d4dd_c.jpg
As an experienced mechanic, I can admit there are some products we just hate. But we have reasons!
One vote for worst ever would be Merveille. Repeat that pathetic
inherently bad design in miniature!
https://c1.staticflickr.com/9/8405/30003107056_8cf436d4dd_c.jpg
On 8/9/2026 9:03 PM, AMuzi wrote:
On 8/9/2026 7:27 PM, zen cycle wrote:
On 8/9/2026 9:50 AM, AMuzi wrote:
On 8/8/2026 11:47 PM, pH wrote:
On 2026-08-08, AMuzi <am@yellowjersey.org> wrote:
On 8/7/2026 10:51 PM, pH wrote:
On 2026-08-07, AMuzi <am@yellowjersey.org> wrote:
On 8/6/2026 8:22 PM, pH wrote:Ah, this is good to know.-a I had not realized that
On 2026-08-06, Catrike Ryder
<Soloman@old.bikers.org> wrote:
The BLACK 559 32 HOLE NMSW VELOCITY DYAD
The blacl 559 32 hole NMSW Velosity Dyad rim I
bought from Pro Wheel
Builders has been shipped. In the end I chose the
slightly wider Dyad
instead of the A23 even though the A23 more
closely matched the
original Catike rim. The spokes and nipples from
Universal Cycles have
also been shipped. I'll start disassembling the
wheel with the Shimano
hub I'm going to use. The 559 Sun Rhyno-Lite rim
and the 266mm and
268mm length spokes will go in my
probably_never_will_use bin
--
C'est bon
Soloman
Does Velocity still offer their 'OC' or Off-Center
rim?-a If so, is that what
you decided to use?
I think it's a great idea to reduce or remove the
amount of dishing needed.
More spokes is more better..why not 40 or 48?-a As a
Clydesdale, I like my 48
spoke wheels-a Mavic Mod 4, 4X (could have done 5x,
I guess) straight gauge
spokes and Phil Wood (RIP) hubs. 27" as God
intended, of course!
Now I just have to ride it more!
pH
A23 is made in OC format in 700C (622) but not 26
decimal (559).
Cat Trike is a 135mm hub, not 130mm, so the left to
right
tension differential is not extreme.
In a perfect world, you're right, OC is better. But
for a
hefty, tough rim such as Dyad or Atlas on 135mm,
it's not
critical.
the wider hub width is
beneficial.-a But after you mentioned it and thinking
about it...yes, of
course!
The old 5 speed freewheel wheels were 126mm, wern't
they?
pH
Four speed freewheel hubs are 114/115 overall length.
Five freewheel hubs are 120mm OLD.
more on that:
http://www.yellowjersey.org/photosfromthepast/
cahubspc.jpg
http://www.yellowjersey.org/photosfromthepast/
cahubspc.jpg
Okay, so the 126 is for my SunTour WinnerPro 6 (or
whatever the model name
is...I use six speed freewheels.-a Could just be Winner
or New Winner, but
it's been so long I forget.
pH
Original Winner and New Winner (marked NWN on the cover
plate) have a two-notch remover.
worst fixing system ever....
Winner Pro (gold faceplate), final Winner* (silver
faceplate) and Alpha have a four-notch remover.
Microlite (aluminum) have six pegs.
https://www.yellowjersey.org/stkeys.html
* As with the Record and DuraAce series, the name was
used over for completely different things.
Sorry but that's not true.
The original Suntour remover system has deep hefty
engagement.
Worse are Regina/Atom which only have a small very hard
lip sticking up. Full brutal documentation here:
https://www.bikeforums.net/classic-vintage/1039061-
damaged-regina- freewheel-dremel-rescue.html
Not unlike Original Dura Ace by the way.
https://www.ebay.com/itm/276728659310
A step below that is the aluminum body Maillard 700 with a
much more fragile version of the same lousy design.
https://www.classicsteelbikes.com/product/maillard-700-
course-dural- alloy-freewheel-6sp/
Cyclo-Pans added two notches to that aluminum body design
for more places to crack!
https://
c1.staticflickr.com/9/8405/30003107056_8cf436d4dd_c.jpg
As an experienced mechanic, I can admit there are some
products we just hate. But we have reasons!
One vote for worst ever would be Merveille. Repeat that
pathetic inherently bad design in miniature!
https://
c1.staticflickr.com/9/8405/30003107056_8cf436d4dd_c.jpg
I meant that two-tab system in general. My recollection was
trying to remove a regina freewheel with the suntour tool.
That's how you break shit.
On 8/6/2026 12:57 PM, Catrike Ryder wrote:
On Thu, 6 Aug 2026 12:41:56 -0500, AMuzi <am@yellowjersey.org> wrote:My rear wheel is a Vision 30 disc and I really like it I don't think I
On 8/6/2026 12:34 PM, Catrike Ryder wrote:
The BLACK 559 32 HOLE NMSW VELOCITY DYAD
The blacl 559 32 hole NMSW Velosity Dyad rim I bought from Pro Wheel
Builders has been shipped. In the end I chose the slightly wider Dyad
instead of the A23 even though the A23 more closely matched the
original Catike rim. The spokes and nipples from Universal Cycles have >>>> also been shipped. I'll start disassembling the wheel with the Shimano >>>> hub I'm going to use. The 559 Sun Rhyno-Lite rim and the 266mm and
268mm length spokes will go in my probably_never_will_use bin
--
C'est bon
Soloman
+1
Dyad is much more appropriate IMHO.
The 50 grams are negligible to a Cat Trike and Dyad are much
tougher.
I don't know why Catrike chose such a narrow rim (22.4 outer, 16.4
inner) given that the original equipment tires are 40MM.
--
C'est bon
Soloman
could build a better wheel. Has Schwalbe One tire which I find decent
but I am thinking of going to the Conti GR prix 5000 30mm tire when this >goes. Would you think that would be a better tire? Given a disc that is
not near anything I could go wider even 32. Be curious if you think that >might be a better rear tire?
Oh, yes, that's a doomed approach.
The correct tool is the Campagnolo I:
https://bikerecyclery.com/vintage-campagnolo-freewheel-tool-steel-i-handle-tool-w-704-freewheel-socket/#gallery-3
Secured well with the skewer, its hardened steel ring wraps
that fragile lip on the Regina-Atom type body. Any tool
without that containing ring readily splits the body.
Special feature: The steel insert is reversible so a worn or
chipped edge is not fatal.
<snip>Yes, that is the correct technique.
Oh, yes, that's a doomed approach.
The correct tool is the Campagnolo I:
https://bikerecyclery.com/vintage-campagnolo-freewheel-tool-steel-i-handle-tool-w-704-freewheel-socket/#gallery-3
Secured well with the skewer, its hardened steel ring wraps
that fragile lip on the Regina-Atom type body. Any tool
without that containing ring readily splits the body.
Special feature: The steel insert is reversible so a worn or
chipped edge is not fatal.
I had both two-notch and four-notch freewheel bodies.
Only had one disaster but in general uniform success if I put the quick release through the assembly and tightening it down before putting it in the vice.
Then relieve the QR tension once the FW was broken loose.
pH
On 8/11/2026 1:25 AM, pH wrote:
<snip>
Oh, yes, that's a doomed approach.
The correct tool is the Campagnolo I:
https://bikerecyclery.com/vintage-campagnolo-freewheel-tool-steel-i-handle-tool-w-704-freewheel-socket/#gallery-3
Secured well with the skewer, its hardened steel ring wraps
that fragile lip on the Regina-Atom type body. Any tool
without that containing ring readily splits the body.
Yes, that is the correct technique.Special feature: The steel insert is reversible so a worn or
chipped edge is not fatal.
I had both two-notch and four-notch freewheel bodies.
Only had one disaster but in general uniform success if I put the quick
release through the assembly and tightening it down before putting it in the >> vice.
Then relieve the QR tension once the FW was broken loose.
pH
Any notch and prong remover format will fail when not
secured by a skewer or axle nut.
The alternate, splines, didn't catch on at first, as one had
to remove the right side axle spacers: https://www.yellowjersey.org/photosfromthepast/fwtools.jpg
Maillard made a large spline format (right in image) in 1972
but was necessarily limited to 14t high gear. It was Phil
Wood who shortly thereafter made the first thinwall remover
for Regina-Atom splines.
https://avaluer.net/explore/8243204-rare_vintage_phil_wood__co_freewheel_remover_for_splined_atom__regina__zeus_fws
Shimano started with small splines: https://www.yellowjersey.org/photosfromthepast/fwboss.jpg
and then around 1980 changed to a slightly larger format
with thinwall removers, called UniGlide or UG. Note these
are similar but not identical to Shimano cassette removers,
called HyperGlide or HG. Don't use the wrong tool in either!
Shimano freewheel removers have broader splines than
cassette removers. Lastly, Campagnolo uses the Shimano UG
freewheel remover tool for their cassette lockrings, as does
Miche.
Thanks for the photos, Andrew. I have a few of those in my collection
I like the plastic storage cups/jars in the last pic. Very high class.
pH
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