Thanks, Lubos - understood that we don't want bug reports submitted as
survey responses; I'll take some time this morning to craft a message
for both places.
Maybe you'l find this interesting.
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On Thu, 16 Oct 2025 14:54:51 -0000 (UTC), Jim Henderson wrote:
Thanks, Lubos - understood that we don't want bug reports submitted as
survey responses; I'll take some time this morning to craft a message
for both places.
I've posted the following in both places (forums in the News and Announcements section and the Facebook Group as an announcement):
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openSUSE Leap 16.0 Retrospective Survey available
The project is looking for your specific feedback on the release of
openSUSE Leap 16.0 - there are just two questions on the survey: What worked, and what didn't.-a The more specific you can be (ideally with
links to specific bug reports), the more useful your feedback will be
for future releases.
This survey *is not* where you should report bugs. Please do not not use
it in that way. For information about reporting bugs, see https:// en.opensuse.org/openSUSE:Submitting_bug_reports
The survey can be found at https://survey.opensuse.org/ and will be open until October 22, 2025.
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Jim
Carlos E.R. wrote:
Maybe you'l find this interesting.
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On Thu, 16 Oct 2025 14:54:51 -0000 (UTC), Jim Henderson wrote:
Thanks, Lubos - understood that we don't want bug reports submitted as
survey responses; I'll take some time this morning to craft a message
for both places.
I've posted the following in both places (forums in the News and
Announcements section and the Facebook Group as an announcement):
--- snip ---
openSUSE Leap 16.0 Retrospective Survey available
The project is looking for your specific feedback on the release of
openSUSE Leap 16.0 - there are just two questions on the survey: What
worked, and what didn't.-a The more specific you can be (ideally with
links to specific bug reports), the more useful your feedback will be
for future releases.
This survey *is not* where you should report bugs. Please do not not
use it in that way. For information about reporting bugs, see https://
en.opensuse.org/openSUSE:Submitting_bug_reports
The survey can be found at https://survey.opensuse.org/ and will be
open until October 22, 2025.
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Jim
Thank you for that survey link.
I'll have you know that I was polite.-a But dismissive.-a Essentially summarising what I wrote here, I did not consider that to be reporting a
bug because I did not get far enough to be able to report what the
problem was - necessary on a bug report.
On 2025-10-17 11:25, R Daneel Olivaw wrote:
Carlos E.R. wrote:
Maybe you'l find this interesting.
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On Thu, 16 Oct 2025 14:54:51 -0000 (UTC), Jim Henderson wrote:
Thanks, Lubos - understood that we don't want bug reports submitted as >>>> survey responses; I'll take some time this morning to craft a message
for both places.
I've posted the following in both places (forums in the News and
Announcements section and the Facebook Group as an announcement):
--- snip ---
openSUSE Leap 16.0 Retrospective Survey available
The project is looking for your specific feedback on the release of
openSUSE Leap 16.0 - there are just two questions on the survey: What
worked, and what didn't.-a The more specific you can be (ideally with
links to specific bug reports), the more useful your feedback will be
for future releases.
This survey *is not* where you should report bugs. Please do not not
use it in that way. For information about reporting bugs, see https://
en.opensuse.org/openSUSE:Submitting_bug_reports
The survey can be found at https://survey.opensuse.org/ and will be
open until October 22, 2025.
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Jim
Thank you for that survey link.
I'll have you know that I was polite.-a But dismissive.-a Essentially
summarising what I wrote here, I did not consider that to be reporting
a bug because I did not get far enough to be able to report what the
problem was - necessary on a bug report.
If you don't report in Bugzilla, the issue does not exist.
Carlos E.R. wrote:
On 2025-10-17 11:25, R Daneel Olivaw wrote:
Carlos E.R. wrote:
Thank you for that survey link.
I'll have you know that I was polite.-a But dismissive.-a Essentially
summarising what I wrote here, I did not consider that to be
reporting a bug because I did not get far enough to be able to report
what the problem was - necessary on a bug report.
If you don't report in Bugzilla, the issue does not exist.
From the comments made in the IRQ chat that day, I'd guess that I'm not
the first one to have encountered that problem.-a There has been a new
level of that script released but it seemed to be for another reason.
On 2025-10-30 12:13, R Daneel Olivaw wrote:
Carlos E.R. wrote:
On 2025-10-17 11:25, R Daneel Olivaw wrote:
Carlos E.R. wrote:
Thank you for that survey link.
I'll have you know that I was polite.-a But dismissive.-a Essentially >>>> summarising what I wrote here, I did not consider that to be
reporting a bug because I did not get far enough to be able to
report what the problem was - necessary on a bug report.
If you don't report in Bugzilla, the issue does not exist.
-aFrom the comments made in the IRQ chat that day, I'd guess that I'm
not the first one to have encountered that problem.-a There has been a
new level of that script released but it seemed to be for another reason.
Yes. However, unless you report in Bugzilla, there is no official record
and the issue can be ignored.
For example, when asked if there was going to be a respin of the install DVD, the answer was that there is only one open bug against installer.
But there are many people complaining that the installation failed.
Carlos E.R. wrote:
On 2025-10-30 12:13, R Daneel Olivaw wrote:
Carlos E.R. wrote:
On 2025-10-17 11:25, R Daneel Olivaw wrote:
Carlos E.R. wrote:
Thank you for that survey link.
I'll have you know that I was polite.-a But dismissive.-a Essentially >>>>> summarising what I wrote here, I did not consider that to be
reporting a bug because I did not get far enough to be able to
report what the problem was - necessary on a bug report.
If you don't report in Bugzilla, the issue does not exist.
-aFrom the comments made in the IRQ chat that day, I'd guess that I'm
not the first one to have encountered that problem.-a There has been a
new level of that script released but it seemed to be for another
reason.
Yes. However, unless you report in Bugzilla, there is no official
record and the issue can be ignored.
For example, when asked if there was going to be a respin of the
install DVD, the answer was that there is only one open bug against
installer. But there are many people complaining that the installation
failed.
I can't comment on the Install, my fail was the Upgrade.
I'm less than impressed with the decision to separate them though, my fallback was an Upgrade from 16.0 to 15.6 using the DVD.-a It was rather upset that 16.0 was not a supported "from" level and the results were undefined, but the result was almost exactly what I was hoping for.
If/when I upgrade (or install) to 16.0 again, I won't have that fallback option when moving to 16.1 in a few years.
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