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    From Ulf Kutzner@user2991@newsgrouper.org.invalid to uk.railway,uk.transport.london on Sat Sep 26 11:17:42 2026
    From Newsgroup: uk.transport.london


    Tweed <usenet.tweed@gmail.com> posted:

    Clive Page <clive.g.page@gmail.com> wrote:
    On 26/09/2026 10:41, Tweed wrote:
    Martin <martin.coffee@round-midnight.org.uk> wrote:
    https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/ng-interactive/2026/sep/23/london-buses-in-terminal-decline-why-public-transport-in-global-cities-is-slowing-to-a-crawl-visualised

    If you can work your way through this dreadful, painful eye candy the
    underlining facts are very interesting.


    WasnrCOt low road speeds why London got the Underground in the first place?


    (By the way, you can get rid of the eye candy if using Firefox by using the "Reader view" option in the address bar, or F9 on some computers).

    I use buses in London quite often now that I'm getting older and less willing to walk long distances, and it helps that I'm now old enough to qualify for a bus pass.

    Speeds are clearly decreasing because of congestion, often caused by junctions and traffic lights poorly designed (by TfL I assume). We
    often get a bus outside City Thameslink (south) go to west along the
    Fleet St and the Strand. The bus immediately has to go through the
    lights at the Blackfriars Road junction, which often takes many minutes because of much higher priority given to N-S traffic than that going E-W.

    Buses also get held up rather often by cars and vans parked illegally in bus lanes: they should put cameras on the front of each bus and make
    sure that each driver is fined using that as evidence.

    I'm also amazed how many private cars are still pootling around central London, obviously driven by people who can easily afford the congestion charge. It's fair enough to allow vans to deliver things and taxis for those rich enough to afford them, but I'd have thought there was a case for raising the congestion charge to maybe 10 times its current level. When it was first brought in it did reduce congestion for a year or two, then the previous traffic levels resumed. So setting the fee high
    enough will surely help.


    WonrCOt junction capacity always be the limiting factor? Pretty much the same issue with railways.

    What about platform capacity? Still an issue at Cambridge & Ely.

    Regards & X-post, ULF
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  • From Martin@martin.coffee@round-midnight.org.uk to uk.railway,uk.transport.london on Sat Sep 26 18:30:46 2026
    From Newsgroup: uk.transport.london

    On 26/09/2026 12:17, Ulf Kutzner wrote:

    Tweed <usenet.tweed@gmail.com> posted:

    Clive Page <clive.g.page@gmail.com> wrote:
    On 26/09/2026 10:41, Tweed wrote:
    Martin <martin.coffee@round-midnight.org.uk> wrote:
    https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/ng-interactive/2026/sep/23/london-buses-in-terminal-decline-why-public-transport-in-global-cities-is-slowing-to-a-crawl-visualised

    If you can work your way through this dreadful, painful eye candy the >>>>> underlining facts are very interesting.


    WasnrCOt low road speeds why London got the Underground in the first place?


    (By the way, you can get rid of the eye candy if using Firefox by using
    the "Reader view" option in the address bar, or F9 on some computers).

    I use buses in London quite often now that I'm getting older and less
    willing to walk long distances, and it helps that I'm now old enough to
    qualify for a bus pass.

    Speeds are clearly decreasing because of congestion, often caused by
    junctions and traffic lights poorly designed (by TfL I assume). We
    often get a bus outside City Thameslink (south) go to west along the
    Fleet St and the Strand. The bus immediately has to go through the
    lights at the Blackfriars Road junction, which often takes many minutes
    because of much higher priority given to N-S traffic than that going E-W. >>>
    Buses also get held up rather often by cars and vans parked illegally in >>> bus lanes: they should put cameras on the front of each bus and make
    sure that each driver is fined using that as evidence.

    I'm also amazed how many private cars are still pootling around central
    London, obviously driven by people who can easily afford the congestion
    charge. It's fair enough to allow vans to deliver things and taxis for
    those rich enough to afford them, but I'd have thought there was a case
    for raising the congestion charge to maybe 10 times its current level.
    When it was first brought in it did reduce congestion for a year or two, >>> then the previous traffic levels resumed. So setting the fee high
    enough will surely help.


    WonrCOt junction capacity always be the limiting factor? Pretty much the same
    issue with railways.

    What about platform capacity? Still an issue at Cambridge & Ely.
    In my opinion the largest constraint at Ely is North Junction. Just one service being just a bit late can affect two or more services.
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