This may be on for JJ knowing where he lives! (Greetings Charles.)
IIRC in certain remote parts of the UK - parts of N and NW Scotland comeI have no knowledge of this, and apparently neither has Google's AI ...
to mind as an example - I understand that as a system of cutting
operating costs and providing better coverage, the SPs have enacted
roaming between UK providers for UK-based users.
Two questions:-
1 If a customer comes into use of this system, how does the SP being
used show up on the phone? Does it show the actual provider name or does
it reflect the user's home system provider name?
2 If under these circumstances how is charging affected? I would presume that if a user is on contract or SIM only bundle there would be no
visible cost as it would be charged against the contract or bundle.
However what happens if the user is full-on PAYG - does the user pay the home SP call rate or is the charge at the alternative SP used? (Of
course it may be treated as out of contract/bundle so what happens then charge-wise?
This may be on for JJ knowing where he lives! (Greetings Charles.)
IIRC in certain remote parts of the UK - parts of N and NW Scotland come
to mind as an example - I understand that as a system of cutting
operating costs and providing better coverage, the SPs have enacted
roaming between UK providers for UK-based users.
Two questions:-
1 If a customer comes into use of this system, how does the SP being
used show up on the phone? Does it show the actual provider name or does
it reflect the user's home system provider name?
2 If under these circumstances how is charging affected? I would presume that if a user is on contract or SIM only bundle there would be no
visible cost as it would be charged against the contract or bundle.
However what happens if the user is full-on PAYG - does the user pay the home SP call rate or is the charge at the alternative SP used? (Of
course it may be treated as out of contract/bundle so what happens then charge-wise?
On 2026-07-16 15:59, Woody wrote:
This may be on for JJ knowing where he lives! (Greetings Charles.)
Hi Woody, hope all's well with you and yours.
IIRC in certain remote parts of the UK - parts of N and NW Scotland comeI have no knowledge of this, and apparently neither has Google's AI ...
to mind as an example - I understand that as a system of cutting
operating costs and providing better coverage, the SPs have enacted
roaming between UK providers for UK-based users.
Two questions:-
1 If a customer comes into use of this system, how does the SP being
used show up on the phone? Does it show the actual provider name or does
it reflect the user's home system provider name?
2 If under these circumstances how is charging affected? I would presume
that if a user is on contract or SIM only bundle there would be no
visible cost as it would be charged against the contract or bundle.
However what happens if the user is full-on PAYG - does the user pay the
home SP call rate or is the charge at the alternative SP used? (Of
course it may be treated as out of contract/bundle so what happens then
charge-wise?
<https://www.google.com/search?q=what+happens+to+uk+phones+when+the+service+provider+has+no+coverage+but+other+service+providers+do%3F>
... so perhaps you need to go back and check on the original source for
your information?
Java Jive <java@evij.com.invalid> wrote:
On 2026-07-16 15:59, Woody wrote:
This may be on for JJ knowing where he lives! (Greetings Charles.)
Hi Woody, hope all's well with you and yours.
IIRC in certain remote parts of the UK - parts of N and NW Scotland come >>> to mind as an example - I understand that as a system of cuttingI have no knowledge of this, and apparently neither has Google's AI ...
operating costs and providing better coverage, the SPs have enacted
roaming between UK providers for UK-based users.
Two questions:-
1 If a customer comes into use of this system, how does the SP being
used show up on the phone? Does it show the actual provider name or does >>> it reflect the user's home system provider name?
2 If under these circumstances how is charging affected? I would presume >>> that if a user is on contract or SIM only bundle there would be no
visible cost as it would be charged against the contract or bundle.
However what happens if the user is full-on PAYG - does the user pay the >>> home SP call rate or is the charge at the alternative SP used? (Of
course it may be treated as out of contract/bundle so what happens then
charge-wise?
<https://www.google.com/search?q=what+happens+to+uk+phones+when+the+service+provider+has+no+coverage+but+other+service+providers+do%3F>
... so perhaps you need to go back and check on the original source for
your information?
Perhaps the confusion lies with the Shared Rural Network mast programme? Those government funded masts radiate signals from all networks.
And now there is roaming between Three and Vodafone sites, well not all, itrCOs still being rolled out. MOCN being the buzz word .
Woody <harrogate3@ntlworld.com> wrote:
This may be on for JJ knowing where he lives! (Greetings Charles.)
IIRC in certain remote parts of the UK - parts of N and NW Scotland come
to mind as an example - I understand that as a system of cutting
operating costs and providing better coverage, the SPs have enacted
roaming between UK providers for UK-based users.
Two questions:-
1 If a customer comes into use of this system, how does the SP being
used show up on the phone? Does it show the actual provider name or does
it reflect the user's home system provider name?
2 If under these circumstances how is charging affected? I would presume
that if a user is on contract or SIM only bundle there would be no
visible cost as it would be charged against the contract or bundle.
However what happens if the user is full-on PAYG - does the user pay the
home SP call rate or is the charge at the alternative SP used? (Of
course it may be treated as out of contract/bundle so what happens then
charge-wise?
If national roaming existed, which I don't think it does - it has been proposed a few times eg by the government in 2014 and the networks told them it was a bad idea - then I assume it would work like international roaming.
ie your phone says it's on the foreign network but all the billing happens
to your account at your home network.
Back in 2023 BT announced 'IoT national roaming': https://newsroom.bt.com/bt-launches-iot-national-roaming-in-a-major-boost-for-businesses-keeping-smart-devices-connected-wherever-they-are/
which is presumably the same idea: EE as home network will bill the
customer, and if it roams onto other networks then they will be covered by BT's billing.
They say: "BT is also offering the product at the same competitive price as its existing pay-as-you-use IoT SIM service, meaning businesses only pay for the data they use rather than risking underutilising data on a fixed rate." which implies there's per-MB fees rather than a bundle you might 'underutilise'. The bill still comes from BT even if you happened to roam onto another network. (Their www.iot.bt.com website is broken so I can't look up the charges)
Theo
On 2026-07-16 17:42, Tweed wrote:
Java Jive <java@evij.com.invalid> wrote:
On 2026-07-16 15:59, Woody wrote:
This may be on for JJ knowing where he lives! (Greetings Charles.)
Hi Woody, hope all's well with you and yours.
IIRC in certain remote parts of the UK - parts of N and NW Scotland come >>>> to mind as an example - I understand that as a system of cuttingI have no knowledge of this, and apparently neither has Google's AI ...
operating costs and providing better coverage, the SPs have enacted
roaming between UK providers for UK-based users.
Two questions:-
1 If a customer comes into use of this system, how does the SP being
used show up on the phone? Does it show the actual provider name or does >>>> it reflect the user's home system provider name?
2 If under these circumstances how is charging affected? I would presume >>>> that if a user is on contract or SIM only bundle there would be no
visible cost as it would be charged against the contract or bundle.
However what happens if the user is full-on PAYG - does the user pay the >>>> home SP call rate or is the charge at the alternative SP used? (Of
course it may be treated as out of contract/bundle so what happens then >>>> charge-wise?
<https://www.google.com/search?q=what+happens+to+uk+phones+when+the+service+provider+has+no+coverage+but+other+service+providers+do%3F>
... so perhaps you need to go back and check on the original source for
your information?
Perhaps the confusion lies with the Shared Rural Network mast programme?
Those government funded masts radiate signals from all networks.
Yes, I was wondering that also.
And now there is roaming between Three and Vodafone sites, well not all,
itrCOs still being rolled out. MOCN being the buzz word .
Indeed.
The logical end of the current trajectory of mergers seems to be an
endless political loop where we'll end up with just one network, which
would then be nationalised because it's too important to allow foreign
owned firms to own it, and then broken up and sold off in the next privatisation wave, all the parts then gradually merge 'til there's only
one network, and so on ad infinitum ...
Or am I being a little too fanciful here ? :-)
Woody <harrogate3@ntlworld.com> wrote:
This may be on for JJ knowing where he lives! (Greetings Charles.)
IIRC in certain remote parts of the UK - parts of N and NW Scotland come
to mind as an example - I understand that as a system of cutting
operating costs and providing better coverage, the SPs have enacted
roaming between UK providers for UK-based users.
Two questions:-
1 If a customer comes into use of this system, how does the SP being
used show up on the phone? Does it show the actual provider name or does
it reflect the user's home system provider name?
2 If under these circumstances how is charging affected? I would presume
that if a user is on contract or SIM only bundle there would be no
visible cost as it would be charged against the contract or bundle.
However what happens if the user is full-on PAYG - does the user pay the
home SP call rate or is the charge at the alternative SP used? (Of
course it may be treated as out of contract/bundle so what happens then
charge-wise?
If national roaming existed, which I don't think it does - it has been proposed a few times eg by the government in 2014 and the networks told them it was a bad idea - then I assume it would work like international roaming.
ie your phone says it's on the foreign network but all the billing happens
to your account at your home network.
Back in 2023 BT announced 'IoT national roaming': https://newsroom.bt.com/bt-launches-iot-national-roaming-in-a-major-boost-for-businesses-keeping-smart-devices-connected-wherever-they-are/
which is presumably the same idea: EE as home network will bill the
customer, and if it roams onto other networks then they will be covered by BT's billing.
They say: "BT is also offering the product at the same competitive price as its existing pay-as-you-use IoT SIM service, meaning businesses only pay for the data they use rather than risking underutilising data on a fixed rate." which implies there's per-MB fees rather than a bundle you might 'underutilise'. The bill still comes from BT even if you happened to roam onto another network. (Their www.iot.bt.com website is broken so I can't look up the charges)
Theo
On Thu 16/07/2026 17:42, Theo wrote:
Woody <harrogate3@ntlworld.com> wrote:
This may be on for JJ knowing where he lives! (Greetings Charles.)
IIRC in certain remote parts of the UK - parts of N and NW Scotland come >>> to mind as an example - I understand that as a system of cutting
operating costs and providing better coverage, the SPs have enacted
roaming between UK providers for UK-based users.
Two questions:-
1 If a customer comes into use of this system, how does the SP being
used show up on the phone? Does it show the actual provider name or does >>> it reflect the user's home system provider name?
2 If under these circumstances how is charging affected? I would presume >>> that if a user is on contract or SIM only bundle there would be no
visible cost as it would be charged against the contract or bundle.
However what happens if the user is full-on PAYG - does the user pay the >>> home SP call rate or is the charge at the alternative SP used? (Of
course it may be treated as out of contract/bundle so what happens then
charge-wise?
If national roaming existed, which I don't think it does - it has been
proposed a few times eg by the government in 2014 and the networks told them >> it was a bad idea - then I assume it would work like international roaming. >>
ie your phone says it's on the foreign network but all the billing happens >> to your account at your home network.
Back in 2023 BT announced 'IoT national roaming':
https://newsroom.bt.com/bt-launches-iot-national-roaming-in-a-major-boost-for-businesses-keeping-smart-devices-connected-wherever-they-are/
which is presumably the same idea: EE as home network will bill the
customer, and if it roams onto other networks then they will be covered by >> BT's billing.
They say: "BT is also offering the product at the same competitive price as >> its existing pay-as-you-use IoT SIM service, meaning businesses only pay for >> the data they use rather than risking underutilising data on a fixed rate." >> which implies there's per-MB fees rather than a bundle you might
'underutilise'. The bill still comes from BT even if you happened to roam >> onto another network. (Their www.iot.bt.com website is broken so I can't
look up the charges)
Theo
Well, er, you can have roaming in the UK. Scancom do data sims that work
on all four nrtworks. Use wi-fi calling, a VoIP app or WhatsApp phone
and you are made.
OR you can get IoM or Jersey Telecom sims that also work on any UK SP.
Although I accept that I may be getting confused with the Shared Network system......
On Thu 16/07/2026 17:42, Theo wrote:
Woody <harrogate3@ntlworld.com> wrote:
This may be on for JJ knowing where he lives! (Greetings Charles.)
IIRC in certain remote parts of the UK - parts of N and NW Scotland come >>> to mind as an example - I understand that as a system of cutting
operating costs and providing better coverage, the SPs have enacted
roaming between UK providers for UK-based users.
Two questions:-
1 If a customer comes into use of this system, how does the SP being
used show up on the phone? Does it show the actual provider name or does >>> it reflect the user's home system provider name?
2 If under these circumstances how is charging affected? I would presume >>> that if a user is on contract or SIM only bundle there would be no
visible cost as it would be charged against the contract or bundle.
However what happens if the user is full-on PAYG - does the user pay the >>> home SP call rate or is the charge at the alternative SP used? (Of
course it may be treated as out of contract/bundle so what happens then
charge-wise?
If national roaming existed, which I don't think it does - it has been
proposed a few times eg by the government in 2014 and the networks told them >> it was a bad idea - then I assume it would work like international roaming. >>
ie your phone says it's on the foreign network but all the billing happens >> to your account at your home network.
Back in 2023 BT announced 'IoT national roaming':
https://newsroom.bt.com/bt-launches-iot-national-roaming-in-a-major-boost-for-businesses-keeping-smart-devices-connected-wherever-they-are/
which is presumably the same idea: EE as home network will bill the
customer, and if it roams onto other networks then they will be covered by >> BT's billing.
They say: "BT is also offering the product at the same competitive price as >> its existing pay-as-you-use IoT SIM service, meaning businesses only pay for >> the data they use rather than risking underutilising data on a fixed rate." >> which implies there's per-MB fees rather than a bundle you might
'underutilise'. The bill still comes from BT even if you happened to roam >> onto another network. (Their www.iot.bt.com website is broken so I can't
look up the charges)
Theo
Well, er, you can have roaming in the UK. Scancom do data sims that work
on all four nrtworks.
Use wi-fi calling, a VoIP app or WhatsApp phone
and you are made.
OR you can get IoM or Jersey Telecom sims that also work on any UK SP.
Although I accept that I may be getting confused with the Shared Network system......
On 2026-07-16 17:42, Tweed wrote:
Java Jive <java@evij.com.invalid> wrote:
On 2026-07-16 15:59, Woody wrote:
This may be on for JJ knowing where he lives! (Greetings Charles.)
Hi Woody, hope all's well with you and yours.
IIRC in certain remote parts of the UK - parts of N and NW ScotlandI have no knowledge of this, and apparently neither has Google's AI ...
come
to mind as an example - I understand that as a system of cutting
operating costs and providing better coverage, the SPs have enacted
roaming between UK providers for UK-based users.
Two questions:-
1 If a customer comes into use of this system, how does the SP being
used show up on the phone? Does it show the actual provider name or
does
it reflect the user's home system provider name?
2 If under these circumstances how is charging affected? I would
presume
that if a user is on contract or SIM only bundle there would be no
visible cost as it would be charged against the contract or bundle.
However what happens if the user is full-on PAYG - does the user pay
the
home SP call rate or is the charge at the alternative SP used? (Of
course it may be treated as out of contract/bundle so what happens then >>>> charge-wise?
<https://www.google.com/search?
q=what+happens+to+uk+phones+when+the+service+provider+has+no+coverage+but+other+service+providers+do%3F>
... so perhaps you need to go back and check on the original source for
your information?
Perhaps the confusion lies with the Shared Rural Network mast programme?
Those government funded masts radiate signals from all networks.
Yes, I was wondering that also.
And now there is roaming between Three and Vodafone sites, well not all,
itrCOs still being rolled out. MOCN being the buzz word .
Indeed.
The logical end of the current trajectory of mergers seems to be an
endless political loop where we'll end up with just one network, which
would then be nationalised because it's too important to allow foreign
owned firms to own it, and then broken up and sold off in the next privatisation wave, all the parts then gradually merge 'til there's only
one network, and so on ad infinitum ...
Or am I being a little too fanciful here ? :-)
The logical end of the current trajectory of mergers seems to be an
endless political loop where we'll end up with just one network, which
would then be nationalised because it's too important to allow foreign
owned firms to own it, and then broken up and sold off in the next >privatisation wave, all the parts then gradually merge 'til there's only
one network, and so on ad infinitum ...
Or am I being a little too fanciful here ? :-)
Or am I being a little too fanciful here ? :-)
How about going back to something akin to the way the national UHF
broadcast TV network was set up in the UK in the 1970s?
How about going back to something akin to the way the national UHF
broadcast TV network was set up in the UK in the 1970s?
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