How long ago was this? My guess it was in the days when CGNAT was a bit of
a novelty. These days, with probably the vast majority of consumer connections (including mobile phones) via CGNAT or frequently changing dynamically allocated routeable addresses yourCOd be out of business as an email provider if you blacklisted originating IP addresses.
On 2026/5/22 8:36:0, Tweed wrote:
[]
How long ago was this? My guess it was in the days when CGNAT was a bit of >> a novelty. These days, with probably the vast majority of consumerI have a nasty feeling that email as a whole may in the near future
connections (including mobile phones) via CGNAT or frequently changing
dynamically allocated routeable addresses yourCOd be out of business as an >> email provider if you blacklisted originating IP addresses.
start to be considered an anachronism, and those using it start to be
viewed in the same insulting/pitying way as those who now do not possess
a smartphone, or who use a landline.
J. P. Gilliver <G6JPG@255soft.uk> wrote:
On 2026/5/22 8:36:0, Tweed wrote:
[]
How long ago was this? My guess it was in the days when CGNAT was a bit of >>> a novelty. These days, with probably the vast majority of consumerI have a nasty feeling that email as a whole may in the near future
connections (including mobile phones) via CGNAT or frequently changing
dynamically allocated routeable addresses yourCOd be out of business as an >>> email provider if you blacklisted originating IP addresses.
start to be considered an anachronism, and those using it start to be
viewed in the same insulting/pitying way as those who now do not possess
a smartphone, or who use a landline.
I can confirm with recently adult children, they struggle a bit with the asynchronous and somewhat more formal aspects of email. They're used to the immediacy of instragram or snapchat or family groupchats.
Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> wrote:
J. P. Gilliver <G6JPG@255soft.uk> wrote:Once they get deeply into the world of work they will discover email.
On 2026/5/22 8:36:0, Tweed wrote:
[]
How long ago was this? My guess it was in the days when CGNAT was a bit of >>>> a novelty. These days, with probably the vast majority of consumerI have a nasty feeling that email as a whole may in the near future
connections (including mobile phones) via CGNAT or frequently changing >>>> dynamically allocated routeable addresses yourCOd be out of business as an >>>> email provider if you blacklisted originating IP addresses.
start to be considered an anachronism, and those using it start to be
viewed in the same insulting/pitying way as those who now do not possess >>> a smartphone, or who use a landline.
I can confirm with recently adult children, they struggle a bit with the
asynchronous and somewhat more formal aspects of email. They're used to the >> immediacy of instragram or snapchat or family groupchats.
Instant messaging in its various forms works within an organisation, but
when you need to deal with external folk you still need email, mostly. In
my line of work thererCOs no chance that email will go away.
On 2026/5/23 11:32:17, Tweed wrote:
Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> wrote:You may say that - but think: in the same work situations, when did you
J. P. Gilliver <G6JPG@255soft.uk> wrote:Once they get deeply into the world of work they will discover email.
On 2026/5/22 8:36:0, Tweed wrote:
[]
How long ago was this? My guess it was in the days when CGNAT was a bit ofI have a nasty feeling that email as a whole may in the near future
a novelty. These days, with probably the vast majority of consumer
connections (including mobile phones) via CGNAT or frequently changing >>>>> dynamically allocated routeable addresses yourCOd be out of business as an
email provider if you blacklisted originating IP addresses.
start to be considered an anachronism, and those using it start to be
viewed in the same insulting/pitying way as those who now do not possess >>>> a smartphone, or who use a landline.
I can confirm with recently adult children, they struggle a bit with the >>> asynchronous and somewhat more formal aspects of email. They're used to the >>> immediacy of instragram or snapchat or family groupchats.
Instant messaging in its various forms works within an organisation, but
when you need to deal with external folk you still need email, mostly. In
my line of work thererCOs no chance that email will go away.
last send a paper letter? I'm sure the same discussions happened there.
I _like_ email, and am not on any of the "instant" mechanisms (OK, I
have a dumbphone that can get texts, but I might not notice them for
ages). I _do_ get slightly odd looks when I say no, I'm not on instagram
(or whatever) - not just "young folk", but for example matters relating
to the old folks coffee morning. (Well, nominally open to all, but since
it's in the middle of a weekday morning a young person is very rare.)
Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> wrote:
J. P. Gilliver <G6JPG@255soft.uk> wrote:Once they get deeply into the world of work they will discover email.
On 2026/5/22 8:36:0, Tweed wrote:
[]
How long ago was this? My guess it was in the days when CGNAT was a bit of >>>> a novelty. These days, with probably the vast majority of consumerI have a nasty feeling that email as a whole may in the near future
connections (including mobile phones) via CGNAT or frequently changing >>>> dynamically allocated routeable addresses yourCOd be out of business as an >>>> email provider if you blacklisted originating IP addresses.
start to be considered an anachronism, and those using it start to be
viewed in the same insulting/pitying way as those who now do not possess >>> a smartphone, or who use a landline.
I can confirm with recently adult children, they struggle a bit with the
asynchronous and somewhat more formal aspects of email. They're used to the >> immediacy of instragram or snapchat or family groupchats.
Instant messaging in its various forms works within an organisation, but
when you need to deal with external folk you still need email, mostly. In
my line of work thererCOs no chance that email will go away.
J. P. Gilliver <G6JPG@255soft.uk> wrote:
On 2026/5/23 11:32:17, Tweed wrote:
Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> wrote:You may say that - but think: in the same work situations, when did you
J. P. Gilliver <G6JPG@255soft.uk> wrote:Once they get deeply into the world of work they will discover email.
On 2026/5/22 8:36:0, Tweed wrote:
[]
How long ago was this? My guess it was in the days when CGNAT was a bit ofI have a nasty feeling that email as a whole may in the near future
a novelty. These days, with probably the vast majority of consumer >>>>>> connections (including mobile phones) via CGNAT or frequently changing >>>>>> dynamically allocated routeable addresses yourCOd be out of business as an
email provider if you blacklisted originating IP addresses.
start to be considered an anachronism, and those using it start to be >>>>> viewed in the same insulting/pitying way as those who now do not possess >>>>> a smartphone, or who use a landline.
I can confirm with recently adult children, they struggle a bit with the >>>> asynchronous and somewhat more formal aspects of email. They're used to the
immediacy of instragram or snapchat or family groupchats.
Instant messaging in its various forms works within an organisation, but >>> when you need to deal with external folk you still need email, mostly. In >>> my line of work thererCOs no chance that email will go away.
last send a paper letter? I'm sure the same discussions happened there.
I _like_ email, and am not on any of the "instant" mechanisms (OK, I
have a dumbphone that can get texts, but I might not notice them for
ages). I _do_ get slightly odd looks when I say no, I'm not on instagram
(or whatever) - not just "young folk", but for example matters relating
to the old folks coffee morning. (Well, nominally open to all, but since
it's in the middle of a weekday morning a young person is very rare.)
Email is the replacement for letters. When you deal with people in business who are not part of your organisation and are possibly in different time zones you need a method of communication that can be attended to not immediately, keeps a sortable record of what is sent and received, can have documents attached, uses common standards (ie not some proprietary
protocol) because you donrCOt know what the other end is using, etc.
On 2026/5/23 11:32:17, Tweed wrote:--
Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> wrote:You may say that - but think: in the same work situations, when did you> last send a paper letter? I'm sure the same discussions happened there.>
J. P. Gilliver <G6JPG@255soft.uk> wrote:Once they get deeply into the world of work they will discover email.
On 2026/5/22 8:36:0, Tweed wrote:
[]
How long ago was this? My guess it was in the days when CGNAT was a bit ofI have a nasty feeling that email as a whole may in the near future
a novelty. These days, with probably the vast majority of consumer
connections (including mobile phones) via CGNAT or frequently changing >>>>> dynamically allocated routeable addresses yourCOd be out of business as an
email provider if you blacklisted originating IP addresses.
start to be considered an anachronism, and those using it start to be
viewed in the same insulting/pitying way as those who now do not possess >>>> a smartphone, or who use a landline.
I can confirm with recently adult children, they struggle a bit with the >>> asynchronous and somewhat more formal aspects of email. They're used to the >>> immediacy of instragram or snapchat or family groupchats.
Instant messaging in its various forms works within an organisation, but
when you need to deal with external folk you still need email, mostly. In
my line of work thererCOs no chance that email will go away.
I _like_ email, and am not on any of the "instant" mechanisms (OK, I
have a dumbphone that can get texts, but I might not notice them for
ages). I _do_ get slightly odd looks when I say no, I'm not on instagram
(or whatever) - not just "young folk", but for example matters relating> to the old folks coffee morning. (Well, nominally open to all, but since
it's in the middle of a weekday morning a young person is very rare.)
On 2026/5/24 7:11:14, Tweed wrote:
J. P. Gilliver <G6JPG@255soft.uk> wrote:I'm with you (though I remember confusion over UUcode, MIME, and I think
On 2026/5/23 11:32:17, Tweed wrote:
Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> wrote:You may say that - but think: in the same work situations, when did you
J. P. Gilliver <G6JPG@255soft.uk> wrote:Once they get deeply into the world of work they will discover email.
On 2026/5/22 8:36:0, Tweed wrote:
[]
How long ago was this? My guess it was in the days when CGNAT was a bit ofI have a nasty feeling that email as a whole may in the near future >>>>>> start to be considered an anachronism, and those using it start to be >>>>>> viewed in the same insulting/pitying way as those who now do not possess >>>>>> a smartphone, or who use a landline.
a novelty. These days, with probably the vast majority of consumer >>>>>>> connections (including mobile phones) via CGNAT or frequently changing >>>>>>> dynamically allocated routeable addresses yourCOd be out of business as an
email provider if you blacklisted originating IP addresses.
I can confirm with recently adult children, they struggle a bit with the >>>>> asynchronous and somewhat more formal aspects of email. They're used to the
immediacy of instragram or snapchat or family groupchats.
Instant messaging in its various forms works within an organisation, but >>>> when you need to deal with external folk you still need email, mostly. In >>>> my line of work thererCOs no chance that email will go away.
last send a paper letter? I'm sure the same discussions happened there.
I _like_ email, and am not on any of the "instant" mechanisms (OK, I
have a dumbphone that can get texts, but I might not notice them for
ages). I _do_ get slightly odd looks when I say no, I'm not on instagram >>> (or whatever) - not just "young folk", but for example matters relating
to the old folks coffee morning. (Well, nominally open to all, but since >>> it's in the middle of a weekday morning a young person is very rare.)
Email is the replacement for letters. When you deal with people in business >> who are not part of your organisation and are possibly in different time
zones you need a method of communication that can be attended to not
immediately, keeps a sortable record of what is sent and received, can have >> documents attached, uses common standards (ie not some proprietary
protocol) because you donrCOt know what the other end is using, etc.
a later protocol - initially UU was the default and you only used MIME
for those you knew could handle it, now many clients don't even know
what to do with UU - not to mention whether truly embedded or not);
however, as Chris says, some of today's generation struggle with email.
J. P. Gilliver <G6JPG@255soft.uk> wrote:
On 2026/5/24 7:11:14, Tweed wrote:
J. P. Gilliver <G6JPG@255soft.uk> wrote:I'm with you (though I remember confusion over UUcode, MIME, and I think
On 2026/5/23 11:32:17, Tweed wrote:
Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> wrote:You may say that - but think: in the same work situations, when did you >>>> last send a paper letter? I'm sure the same discussions happened there. >>>>
J. P. Gilliver <G6JPG@255soft.uk> wrote:Once they get deeply into the world of work they will discover email. >>>>> Instant messaging in its various forms works within an organisation, but >>>>> when you need to deal with external folk you still need email, mostly. In >>>>> my line of work thererCOs no chance that email will go away.
On 2026/5/22 8:36:0, Tweed wrote:
[]
How long ago was this? My guess it was in the days when CGNAT was a bit ofI have a nasty feeling that email as a whole may in the near future >>>>>>> start to be considered an anachronism, and those using it start to be >>>>>>> viewed in the same insulting/pitying way as those who now do not possess
a novelty. These days, with probably the vast majority of consumer >>>>>>>> connections (including mobile phones) via CGNAT or frequently changing >>>>>>>> dynamically allocated routeable addresses yourCOd be out of business as an
email provider if you blacklisted originating IP addresses.
a smartphone, or who use a landline.
I can confirm with recently adult children, they struggle a bit with the >>>>>> asynchronous and somewhat more formal aspects of email. They're used to the
immediacy of instragram or snapchat or family groupchats.
I _like_ email, and am not on any of the "instant" mechanisms (OK, I
have a dumbphone that can get texts, but I might not notice them for
ages). I _do_ get slightly odd looks when I say no, I'm not on instagram >>>> (or whatever) - not just "young folk", but for example matters relating >>>> to the old folks coffee morning. (Well, nominally open to all, but since >>>> it's in the middle of a weekday morning a young person is very rare.)
Email is the replacement for letters. When you deal with people in business >>> who are not part of your organisation and are possibly in different time >>> zones you need a method of communication that can be attended to not
immediately, keeps a sortable record of what is sent and received, can have >>> documents attached, uses common standards (ie not some proprietary
protocol) because you donrCOt know what the other end is using, etc.
a later protocol - initially UU was the default and you only used MIME
for those you knew could handle it, now many clients don't even know
what to do with UU - not to mention whether truly embedded or not);
however, as Chris says, some of today's generation struggle with email.
Struggle yes. IrCOve noticed that the younger folk agonise for ages composing an email. Me, I just type a few quick lines and hit send. Extra black marks for people who start emails with rCLI hope this email finds you wellrCY or similar.
J. P. Gilliver <G6JPG@255soft.uk> wrote:
On 2026/5/24 7:11:14, Tweed wrote:
J. P. Gilliver <G6JPG@255soft.uk> wrote:I'm with you (though I remember confusion over UUcode, MIME, and I think
On 2026/5/23 11:32:17, Tweed wrote:
Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> wrote:You may say that - but think: in the same work situations, when did you >>>> last send a paper letter? I'm sure the same discussions happened there. >>>>
J. P. Gilliver <G6JPG@255soft.uk> wrote:Once they get deeply into the world of work they will discover email. >>>>> Instant messaging in its various forms works within an organisation, but >>>>> when you need to deal with external folk you still need email, mostly. In >>>>> my line of work thererCOs no chance that email will go away.
On 2026/5/22 8:36:0, Tweed wrote:
[]
How long ago was this? My guess it was in the days when CGNAT was a bit ofI have a nasty feeling that email as a whole may in the near future >>>>>>> start to be considered an anachronism, and those using it start to be >>>>>>> viewed in the same insulting/pitying way as those who now do not possess
a novelty. These days, with probably the vast majority of consumer >>>>>>>> connections (including mobile phones) via CGNAT or frequently changing >>>>>>>> dynamically allocated routeable addresses yourCOd be out of business as an
email provider if you blacklisted originating IP addresses.
a smartphone, or who use a landline.
I can confirm with recently adult children, they struggle a bit with the >>>>>> asynchronous and somewhat more formal aspects of email. They're used to the
immediacy of instragram or snapchat or family groupchats.
I _like_ email, and am not on any of the "instant" mechanisms (OK, I
have a dumbphone that can get texts, but I might not notice them for
ages). I _do_ get slightly odd looks when I say no, I'm not on instagram >>>> (or whatever) - not just "young folk", but for example matters relating >>>> to the old folks coffee morning. (Well, nominally open to all, but since >>>> it's in the middle of a weekday morning a young person is very rare.)
Email is the replacement for letters. When you deal with people in business >>> who are not part of your organisation and are possibly in different time >>> zones you need a method of communication that can be attended to not
immediately, keeps a sortable record of what is sent and received, can have >>> documents attached, uses common standards (ie not some proprietary
protocol) because you donrCOt know what the other end is using, etc.
a later protocol - initially UU was the default and you only used MIME
for those you knew could handle it, now many clients don't even know
what to do with UU - not to mention whether truly embedded or not);
however, as Chris says, some of today's generation struggle with email.
Struggle yes. IrCOve noticed that the younger folk agonise for ages composing an email. Me, I just type a few quick lines and hit send. Extra black marks for people who start emails with rCLI hope this email finds you wellrCY or similar.
J. P. Gilliver <G6JPG@255soft.uk> wrote:
On 2026/5/24 7:11:14, Tweed wrote:
J. P. Gilliver <G6JPG@255soft.uk> wrote:I'm with you (though I remember confusion over UUcode, MIME, and I think
On 2026/5/23 11:32:17, Tweed wrote:
Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> wrote:You may say that - but think: in the same work situations, when did you >>>> last send a paper letter? I'm sure the same discussions happened there. >>>>
J. P. Gilliver <G6JPG@255soft.uk> wrote:Once they get deeply into the world of work they will discover email. >>>>> Instant messaging in its various forms works within an organisation, but >>>>> when you need to deal with external folk you still need email, mostly. In >>>>> my line of work thererCOs no chance that email will go away.
On 2026/5/22 8:36:0, Tweed wrote:
[]
How long ago was this? My guess it was in the days when CGNAT was a bit ofI have a nasty feeling that email as a whole may in the near future >>>>>>> start to be considered an anachronism, and those using it start to be >>>>>>> viewed in the same insulting/pitying way as those who now do not possess
a novelty. These days, with probably the vast majority of consumer >>>>>>>> connections (including mobile phones) via CGNAT or frequently changing >>>>>>>> dynamically allocated routeable addresses yourCOd be out of business as an
email provider if you blacklisted originating IP addresses.
a smartphone, or who use a landline.
I can confirm with recently adult children, they struggle a bit with the >>>>>> asynchronous and somewhat more formal aspects of email. They're used to the
immediacy of instragram or snapchat or family groupchats.
I _like_ email, and am not on any of the "instant" mechanisms (OK, I
have a dumbphone that can get texts, but I might not notice them for
ages). I _do_ get slightly odd looks when I say no, I'm not on instagram >>>> (or whatever) - not just "young folk", but for example matters relating >>>> to the old folks coffee morning. (Well, nominally open to all, but since >>>> it's in the middle of a weekday morning a young person is very rare.)
Email is the replacement for letters. When you deal with people in business >>> who are not part of your organisation and are possibly in different time >>> zones you need a method of communication that can be attended to not
immediately, keeps a sortable record of what is sent and received, can have >>> documents attached, uses common standards (ie not some proprietary
protocol) because you donrCOt know what the other end is using, etc.
a later protocol - initially UU was the default and you only used MIME
for those you knew could handle it, now many clients don't even know
what to do with UU - not to mention whether truly embedded or not);
however, as Chris says, some of today's generation struggle with email.
Struggle yes. IrCOve noticed that the younger folk agonise for ages composing an email.
Me, I just type a few quick lines and hit send.
Extra black marks
for people who start emails with rCLI hope this email finds you wellrCY or similar.
Tweed <usenet.tweed@gmail.com> wrote:
J. P. Gilliver <G6JPG@255soft.uk> wrote:
On 2026/5/24 7:11:14, Tweed wrote:
J. P. Gilliver <G6JPG@255soft.uk> wrote:I'm with you (though I remember confusion over UUcode, MIME, and I
On 2026/5/23 11:32:17, Tweed wrote:
Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> wrote:You may say that - but think: in the same work situations, when
J. P. Gilliver <G6JPG@255soft.uk> wrote:Once they get deeply into the world of work they will discover
On 2026/5/22 8:36:0, Tweed wrote:
[] > How long ago was this? My guess it was in the days when >>>>>>>>CGNAT was a bit of > a novelty. These days, with probably the >>>>>>>>vast majority of consumer > connections (including mobile >>>>>>>>phones) via CGNAT or frequently changing > dynamically allocated >>>>>>>>routeable addresses yourCOd be out of business as an > email >>>>>>>>provider if you blacklisted originating IP addresses.
I have a nasty feeling that email as a whole may in the near
future start to be considered an anachronism, and those using
it start to be viewed in the same insulting/pitying way as
those who now do not possess a smartphone, or who use a
landline.
I can confirm with recently adult children, they struggle a bit
with the asynchronous and somewhat more formal aspects of
email. They're used to the immediacy of instragram or snapchat
or family groupchats.
email. Instant messaging in its various forms works within an
organisation, but when you need to deal with external folk you
still need email, mostly. In my line of work thererCOs no chance
that email will go away.
did you last send a paper letter? I'm sure the same discussions
happened there.
I _like_ email, and am not on any of the "instant" mechanisms (OK,
I have a dumbphone that can get texts, but I might not notice them
for ages). I _do_ get slightly odd looks when I say no, I'm not on
instagram (or whatever) - not just "young folk", but for example
matters relating to the old folks coffee morning. (Well, nominally
open to all, but since it's in the middle of a weekday morning a
young person is very rare.)
Email is the replacement for letters. When you deal with people in
business who are not part of your organisation and are possibly in
different time zones you need a method of communication that can be
attended to not immediately, keeps a sortable record of what is
sent and received, can have documents attached, uses common
standards (ie not some proprietary protocol) because you donrCOt know
what the other end is using, etc.
think a later protocol - initially UU was the default and you only
used MIME for those you knew could handle it, now many clients don't
even know what to do with UU - not to mention whether truly embedded
or not); however, as Chris says, some of today's generation struggle
with email.
Struggle yes. IrCOve noticed that the younger folk agonise for ages
composing an email.
Literal days of agony. Not even kidding.
Me, I just type a few quick lines and hit send.
Me too, mostly.
Extra black marks for people who start emails with rCLI hope this email
finds you wellrCY or similar.
That's a bit harsh.
I have just spoken to EE about this.
I can get 4G in the village and was offered 2 packages:
100 Mb/s unlimited downloads -u35 per month
Max speed (whatever the SIM supports) unlimited downloads -u43 per month
I currently get 12 Mb/s over my landline so the potential speed is a dream.
Problem is the connections is via a small box that you can take from room
to room and connect to via WiFi so whenever I want to use the Internet I >have to connect (up to 5 devices a time).
At the moment I feed the connection into my powerline so it's available in >any room and the router also has WiFi so any device can connect via WiFi.
Does anybody here have this sort of service? If so is it something that
you get used to? It's quite a different way of working.
On 21/05/2026 10:15, Jeff Gaines wrote:[]
Problem is the connections is via a small box that you can take from room >> to room and connect to via WiFi so whenever I want to use the Internet I
have to connect (up to 5 devices a time).
On 21/05/2026 10:15, Jeff Gaines wrote:
I have just spoken to EE about this.
I can get 4G in the village and was offered 2 packages:
100 Mb/s unlimited downloads -u35 per month
Max speed (whatever the SIM supports) unlimited downloads -u43 per month
I currently get 12 Mb/s over my landline so the potential speed is a
dream.
Problem is the connections is via a small box that you can take from
room to room and connect to via WiFi so whenever I want to use the
Internet I have to connect (up to 5 devices a time).
At the moment I feed the connection into my powerline so it's
available in any room and the router also has WiFi so any device can
connect via WiFi.
Does anybody here have this sort of service? If so is it something
that you get used to? It's quite a different way of working.
I have a colleague who uses this without any problems. As others have written, caveat YMMV, but definitely worth trying if on an old ADSL connection. If you have a landline number you want to keep, you may need to migrate it to a VoIP provider. If the 4/5G router has an ethernet port, you can build your own wired/wireless network and connect the router to this.
A friend has recently moved to an small new development which has EE
fibre only
A friend has recently moved to an small new development which has EE
fibre only.
dishes (although that is not in writing and the properties are freehold)
- but the house is wired from all rooms to a common location in the
loft, all terminated in B/L TV connectors. Fortunately they live within
site of a relay TX so ordinary off-air signals do work even with an
indoor aerial!
Their problem is that EE do not carry all Freeview channels. On our
friend's behalf (he is totally non-technical) I rang Sky who said that
as BTOR carry EE and Sky, he could move to Sky very easily - as indeed
he did.
Sky provide a free telephone 'line' within this package on which they
can receive calls, but if you don't have a call package, then to make
calls? 27p/minute!!! Ergo the suggestion above of moving the landline
phone number to a Voip provider (calls usually a few pence a minute if
not even free) is sound. The Voip service will continue to work whoever
is the main broadband provider.
Next question on here is to ask for opinions on Voip providers!
Their problem is that EE do not carry all Freeview channels.
Woody <harrogate3@ntlworld.com> writes:
Their problem is that EE do not carry all Freeview channels.
What channels are there which cannot be obtained over the internet? Why
not buy a Roku TV stick? too late now, but it seemed odd to me to link
tv channels to broadband.
Woody wrote:
A friend has recently moved to an small new development which has EE
fibre only
Doesn't sound right?-a EE is part of BT (like Plusnet) so you can bet
it's installed by Openreach and any other provider that runs over
Openreach is also available ...
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