• Re: Broadband Over the Mobile Network

    From J. P. Gilliver@G6JPG@255soft.uk to uk.telecom.broadband on Fri May 22 21:47:53 2026
    From Newsgroup: uk.telecom.broadband

    On 2026/5/22 8:36:0, Tweed wrote:
    []
    How long ago was this? My guess it was in the days when CGNAT was a bit of
    a novelty. These days, with probably the vast majority of consumer connections (including mobile phones) via CGNAT or frequently changing dynamically allocated routeable addresses yourCOd be out of business as an email provider if you blacklisted originating IP addresses.

    I have a nasty feeling that email as a whole may in the near future
    start to be considered an anachronism, and those using it start to be
    viewed in the same insulting/pitying way as those who now do not possess
    a smartphone, or who use a landline.
    --
    J. P. Gilliver. UMRA: 1960/<1985 MB++G()ALIS-Ch++(p)Ar++T+H+Sh0!:`)DNAf
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  • From Chris@ithinkiam@gmail.com to uk.telecom.broadband on Sat May 23 10:09:54 2026
    From Newsgroup: uk.telecom.broadband

    J. P. Gilliver <G6JPG@255soft.uk> wrote:
    On 2026/5/22 8:36:0, Tweed wrote:
    []
    How long ago was this? My guess it was in the days when CGNAT was a bit of >> a novelty. These days, with probably the vast majority of consumer
    connections (including mobile phones) via CGNAT or frequently changing
    dynamically allocated routeable addresses yourCOd be out of business as an >> email provider if you blacklisted originating IP addresses.

    I have a nasty feeling that email as a whole may in the near future
    start to be considered an anachronism, and those using it start to be
    viewed in the same insulting/pitying way as those who now do not possess
    a smartphone, or who use a landline.

    I can confirm with recently adult children, they struggle a bit with the asynchronous and somewhat more formal aspects of email. They're used to the immediacy of instragram or snapchat or family groupchats.

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  • From Tweed@usenet.tweed@gmail.com to uk.telecom.broadband on Sat May 23 10:32:17 2026
    From Newsgroup: uk.telecom.broadband

    Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> wrote:
    J. P. Gilliver <G6JPG@255soft.uk> wrote:
    On 2026/5/22 8:36:0, Tweed wrote:
    []
    How long ago was this? My guess it was in the days when CGNAT was a bit of >>> a novelty. These days, with probably the vast majority of consumer
    connections (including mobile phones) via CGNAT or frequently changing
    dynamically allocated routeable addresses yourCOd be out of business as an >>> email provider if you blacklisted originating IP addresses.

    I have a nasty feeling that email as a whole may in the near future
    start to be considered an anachronism, and those using it start to be
    viewed in the same insulting/pitying way as those who now do not possess
    a smartphone, or who use a landline.

    I can confirm with recently adult children, they struggle a bit with the asynchronous and somewhat more formal aspects of email. They're used to the immediacy of instragram or snapchat or family groupchats.


    Once they get deeply into the world of work they will discover email.
    Instant messaging in its various forms works within an organisation, but
    when you need to deal with external folk you still need email, mostly. In
    my line of work thererCOs no chance that email will go away.

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  • From J. P. Gilliver@G6JPG@255soft.uk to uk.telecom.broadband on Sat May 23 20:48:20 2026
    From Newsgroup: uk.telecom.broadband

    On 2026/5/23 11:32:17, Tweed wrote:
    Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> wrote:
    J. P. Gilliver <G6JPG@255soft.uk> wrote:
    On 2026/5/22 8:36:0, Tweed wrote:
    []
    How long ago was this? My guess it was in the days when CGNAT was a bit of >>>> a novelty. These days, with probably the vast majority of consumer
    connections (including mobile phones) via CGNAT or frequently changing >>>> dynamically allocated routeable addresses yourCOd be out of business as an >>>> email provider if you blacklisted originating IP addresses.

    I have a nasty feeling that email as a whole may in the near future
    start to be considered an anachronism, and those using it start to be
    viewed in the same insulting/pitying way as those who now do not possess >>> a smartphone, or who use a landline.

    I can confirm with recently adult children, they struggle a bit with the
    asynchronous and somewhat more formal aspects of email. They're used to the >> immediacy of instragram or snapchat or family groupchats.


    Once they get deeply into the world of work they will discover email.
    Instant messaging in its various forms works within an organisation, but
    when you need to deal with external folk you still need email, mostly. In
    my line of work thererCOs no chance that email will go away.

    You may say that - but think: in the same work situations, when did you
    last send a paper letter? I'm sure the same discussions happened there.

    I _like_ email, and am not on any of the "instant" mechanisms (OK, I
    have a dumbphone that can get texts, but I might not notice them for
    ages). I _do_ get slightly odd looks when I say no, I'm not on instagram
    (or whatever) - not just "young folk", but for example matters relating
    to the old folks coffee morning. (Well, nominally open to all, but since
    it's in the middle of a weekday morning a young person is very rare.)
    --
    J. P. Gilliver. UMRA: 1960/<1985 MB++G()ALIS-Ch++(p)Ar++T+H+Sh0!:`)DNAf

    And Jonathan Harker would never have sent all those letters to his
    beloved Mina from Transylvania, he'd have texted her instead. "Stuck in
    weird castle w guy w big teeth. Missing u. xxxx (-:"
    - Alison Graham, RT 2015/11/7-13
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  • From Tweed@usenet.tweed@gmail.com to uk.telecom.broadband on Sun May 24 06:11:14 2026
    From Newsgroup: uk.telecom.broadband

    J. P. Gilliver <G6JPG@255soft.uk> wrote:
    On 2026/5/23 11:32:17, Tweed wrote:
    Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> wrote:
    J. P. Gilliver <G6JPG@255soft.uk> wrote:
    On 2026/5/22 8:36:0, Tweed wrote:
    []
    How long ago was this? My guess it was in the days when CGNAT was a bit of
    a novelty. These days, with probably the vast majority of consumer
    connections (including mobile phones) via CGNAT or frequently changing >>>>> dynamically allocated routeable addresses yourCOd be out of business as an
    email provider if you blacklisted originating IP addresses.

    I have a nasty feeling that email as a whole may in the near future
    start to be considered an anachronism, and those using it start to be
    viewed in the same insulting/pitying way as those who now do not possess >>>> a smartphone, or who use a landline.

    I can confirm with recently adult children, they struggle a bit with the >>> asynchronous and somewhat more formal aspects of email. They're used to the >>> immediacy of instragram or snapchat or family groupchats.


    Once they get deeply into the world of work they will discover email.
    Instant messaging in its various forms works within an organisation, but
    when you need to deal with external folk you still need email, mostly. In
    my line of work thererCOs no chance that email will go away.

    You may say that - but think: in the same work situations, when did you
    last send a paper letter? I'm sure the same discussions happened there.

    I _like_ email, and am not on any of the "instant" mechanisms (OK, I
    have a dumbphone that can get texts, but I might not notice them for
    ages). I _do_ get slightly odd looks when I say no, I'm not on instagram
    (or whatever) - not just "young folk", but for example matters relating
    to the old folks coffee morning. (Well, nominally open to all, but since
    it's in the middle of a weekday morning a young person is very rare.)

    Email is the replacement for letters. When you deal with people in business
    who are not part of your organisation and are possibly in different time
    zones you need a method of communication that can be attended to not immediately, keeps a sortable record of what is sent and received, can have documents attached, uses common standards (ie not some proprietary
    protocol) because you donrCOt know what the other end is using, etc.

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  • From J. P. Gilliver@G6JPG@255soft.uk to uk.telecom.broadband on Sun May 24 10:58:11 2026
    From Newsgroup: uk.telecom.broadband

    On 2026/5/23 11:32:17, Tweed wrote:
    Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> wrote:
    J. P. Gilliver <G6JPG@255soft.uk> wrote:
    On 2026/5/22 8:36:0, Tweed wrote:
    []
    How long ago was this? My guess it was in the days when CGNAT was a bit of >>>> a novelty. These days, with probably the vast majority of consumer
    connections (including mobile phones) via CGNAT or frequently changing >>>> dynamically allocated routeable addresses yourCOd be out of business as an >>>> email provider if you blacklisted originating IP addresses.

    I have a nasty feeling that email as a whole may in the near future
    start to be considered an anachronism, and those using it start to be
    viewed in the same insulting/pitying way as those who now do not possess >>> a smartphone, or who use a landline.

    I can confirm with recently adult children, they struggle a bit with the
    asynchronous and somewhat more formal aspects of email. They're used to the >> immediacy of instragram or snapchat or family groupchats.


    Once they get deeply into the world of work they will discover email.
    Instant messaging in its various forms works within an organisation, but
    when you need to deal with external folk you still need email, mostly. In
    my line of work thererCOs no chance that email will go away.

    You may say that - but think: in the same work situations, when did you
    last send a paper letter? I'm sure the same discussions happened there.

    I _like_ email, and am not on any of the "instant" mechanisms (OK, I
    have a dumbphone that can get texts, but I might not notice them for
    ages). I _do_ get slightly odd looks when I say no, I'm not on instagram
    (or whatever) - not just "young folk", but for example matters relating
    to the old folks coffee morning. (Well, nominally open to all, but since
    it's in the middle of a weekday morning a young person is very rare.)
    --
    J. P. Gilliver. UMRA: 1960/<1985 MB++G()ALIS-Ch++(p)Ar++T+H+Sh0!:`)DNAf

    And Jonathan Harker would never have sent all those letters to his
    beloved Mina from Transylvania, he'd have texted her instead. "Stuck in
    weird castle w guy w big teeth. Missing u. xxxx (-:"
    - Alison Graham, RT 2015/11/7-13
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  • From J. P. Gilliver@G6JPG@255soft.uk to uk.telecom.broadband on Sun May 24 11:27:37 2026
    From Newsgroup: uk.telecom.broadband

    On 2026/5/24 7:11:14, Tweed wrote:
    J. P. Gilliver <G6JPG@255soft.uk> wrote:
    On 2026/5/23 11:32:17, Tweed wrote:
    Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> wrote:
    J. P. Gilliver <G6JPG@255soft.uk> wrote:
    On 2026/5/22 8:36:0, Tweed wrote:
    []
    How long ago was this? My guess it was in the days when CGNAT was a bit of
    a novelty. These days, with probably the vast majority of consumer >>>>>> connections (including mobile phones) via CGNAT or frequently changing >>>>>> dynamically allocated routeable addresses yourCOd be out of business as an
    email provider if you blacklisted originating IP addresses.

    I have a nasty feeling that email as a whole may in the near future
    start to be considered an anachronism, and those using it start to be >>>>> viewed in the same insulting/pitying way as those who now do not possess >>>>> a smartphone, or who use a landline.

    I can confirm with recently adult children, they struggle a bit with the >>>> asynchronous and somewhat more formal aspects of email. They're used to the
    immediacy of instragram or snapchat or family groupchats.


    Once they get deeply into the world of work they will discover email.
    Instant messaging in its various forms works within an organisation, but >>> when you need to deal with external folk you still need email, mostly. In >>> my line of work thererCOs no chance that email will go away.

    You may say that - but think: in the same work situations, when did you
    last send a paper letter? I'm sure the same discussions happened there.

    I _like_ email, and am not on any of the "instant" mechanisms (OK, I
    have a dumbphone that can get texts, but I might not notice them for
    ages). I _do_ get slightly odd looks when I say no, I'm not on instagram
    (or whatever) - not just "young folk", but for example matters relating
    to the old folks coffee morning. (Well, nominally open to all, but since
    it's in the middle of a weekday morning a young person is very rare.)

    Email is the replacement for letters. When you deal with people in business who are not part of your organisation and are possibly in different time zones you need a method of communication that can be attended to not immediately, keeps a sortable record of what is sent and received, can have documents attached, uses common standards (ie not some proprietary
    protocol) because you donrCOt know what the other end is using, etc.

    I'm with you (though I remember confusion over UUcode, MIME, and I think
    a later protocol - initially UU was the default and you only used MIME
    for those you knew could handle it, now many clients don't even know
    what to do with UU - not to mention whether truly embedded or not);
    however, as Chris says, some of today's generation struggle with email.
    --
    J. P. Gilliver. UMRA: 1960/<1985 MB++G()ALIS-Ch++(p)Ar++T+H+Sh0!:`)DNAf

    If this power [television] is ever brought to mechanical perfection,
    there is little reason, except the desire to be gregarious, that anyone
    but a few should go in person to any place of entertainment again.
    - BBC yearbook 1930
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  • From J. P. Gilliver@G6JPG@255soft.uk to uk.telecom.broadband on Sun May 24 11:29:11 2026
    From Newsgroup: uk.telecom.broadband

    Please ignore duplication; problems with Thunderbird and/or
    eternal-september made me see it as not having been sent, though it
    seems it was (though possibly some time after I created it).
    On 2026/5/24 10:58:11, J. P. Gilliver wrote:
    On 2026/5/23 11:32:17, Tweed wrote:
    Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> wrote:
    J. P. Gilliver <G6JPG@255soft.uk> wrote:
    On 2026/5/22 8:36:0, Tweed wrote:
    []
    How long ago was this? My guess it was in the days when CGNAT was a bit of
    a novelty. These days, with probably the vast majority of consumer
    connections (including mobile phones) via CGNAT or frequently changing >>>>> dynamically allocated routeable addresses yourCOd be out of business as an
    email provider if you blacklisted originating IP addresses.

    I have a nasty feeling that email as a whole may in the near future
    start to be considered an anachronism, and those using it start to be
    viewed in the same insulting/pitying way as those who now do not possess >>>> a smartphone, or who use a landline.

    I can confirm with recently adult children, they struggle a bit with the >>> asynchronous and somewhat more formal aspects of email. They're used to the >>> immediacy of instragram or snapchat or family groupchats.


    Once they get deeply into the world of work they will discover email.
    Instant messaging in its various forms works within an organisation, but
    when you need to deal with external folk you still need email, mostly. In
    my line of work thererCOs no chance that email will go away.

    You may say that - but think: in the same work situations, when did you> last send a paper letter? I'm sure the same discussions happened there.>
    I _like_ email, and am not on any of the "instant" mechanisms (OK, I
    have a dumbphone that can get texts, but I might not notice them for
    ages). I _do_ get slightly odd looks when I say no, I'm not on instagram
    (or whatever) - not just "young folk", but for example matters relating> to the old folks coffee morning. (Well, nominally open to all, but since
    it's in the middle of a weekday morning a young person is very rare.)
    --
    J. P. Gilliver. UMRA: 1960/<1985 MB++G()ALIS-Ch++(p)Ar++T+H+Sh0!:`)DNAf
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  • From Tweed@usenet.tweed@gmail.com to uk.telecom.broadband on Sun May 24 11:18:39 2026
    From Newsgroup: uk.telecom.broadband

    J. P. Gilliver <G6JPG@255soft.uk> wrote:
    On 2026/5/24 7:11:14, Tweed wrote:
    J. P. Gilliver <G6JPG@255soft.uk> wrote:
    On 2026/5/23 11:32:17, Tweed wrote:
    Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> wrote:
    J. P. Gilliver <G6JPG@255soft.uk> wrote:
    On 2026/5/22 8:36:0, Tweed wrote:
    []
    How long ago was this? My guess it was in the days when CGNAT was a bit of
    a novelty. These days, with probably the vast majority of consumer >>>>>>> connections (including mobile phones) via CGNAT or frequently changing >>>>>>> dynamically allocated routeable addresses yourCOd be out of business as an
    email provider if you blacklisted originating IP addresses.

    I have a nasty feeling that email as a whole may in the near future >>>>>> start to be considered an anachronism, and those using it start to be >>>>>> viewed in the same insulting/pitying way as those who now do not possess >>>>>> a smartphone, or who use a landline.

    I can confirm with recently adult children, they struggle a bit with the >>>>> asynchronous and somewhat more formal aspects of email. They're used to the
    immediacy of instragram or snapchat or family groupchats.


    Once they get deeply into the world of work they will discover email.
    Instant messaging in its various forms works within an organisation, but >>>> when you need to deal with external folk you still need email, mostly. In >>>> my line of work thererCOs no chance that email will go away.

    You may say that - but think: in the same work situations, when did you
    last send a paper letter? I'm sure the same discussions happened there.

    I _like_ email, and am not on any of the "instant" mechanisms (OK, I
    have a dumbphone that can get texts, but I might not notice them for
    ages). I _do_ get slightly odd looks when I say no, I'm not on instagram >>> (or whatever) - not just "young folk", but for example matters relating
    to the old folks coffee morning. (Well, nominally open to all, but since >>> it's in the middle of a weekday morning a young person is very rare.)

    Email is the replacement for letters. When you deal with people in business >> who are not part of your organisation and are possibly in different time
    zones you need a method of communication that can be attended to not
    immediately, keeps a sortable record of what is sent and received, can have >> documents attached, uses common standards (ie not some proprietary
    protocol) because you donrCOt know what the other end is using, etc.

    I'm with you (though I remember confusion over UUcode, MIME, and I think
    a later protocol - initially UU was the default and you only used MIME
    for those you knew could handle it, now many clients don't even know
    what to do with UU - not to mention whether truly embedded or not);
    however, as Chris says, some of today's generation struggle with email.

    Struggle yes. IrCOve noticed that the younger folk agonise for ages composing an email. Me, I just type a few quick lines and hit send. Extra black marks
    for people who start emails with rCLI hope this email finds you wellrCY or similar.

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  • From J. P. Gilliver@G6JPG@255soft.uk to uk.telecom.broadband on Sun May 24 14:18:30 2026
    From Newsgroup: uk.telecom.broadband

    On 2026/5/24 12:18:39, Tweed wrote:
    J. P. Gilliver <G6JPG@255soft.uk> wrote:
    On 2026/5/24 7:11:14, Tweed wrote:
    J. P. Gilliver <G6JPG@255soft.uk> wrote:
    On 2026/5/23 11:32:17, Tweed wrote:
    Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> wrote:
    J. P. Gilliver <G6JPG@255soft.uk> wrote:
    On 2026/5/22 8:36:0, Tweed wrote:
    []
    How long ago was this? My guess it was in the days when CGNAT was a bit of
    a novelty. These days, with probably the vast majority of consumer >>>>>>>> connections (including mobile phones) via CGNAT or frequently changing >>>>>>>> dynamically allocated routeable addresses yourCOd be out of business as an
    email provider if you blacklisted originating IP addresses.

    I have a nasty feeling that email as a whole may in the near future >>>>>>> start to be considered an anachronism, and those using it start to be >>>>>>> viewed in the same insulting/pitying way as those who now do not possess
    a smartphone, or who use a landline.

    I can confirm with recently adult children, they struggle a bit with the >>>>>> asynchronous and somewhat more formal aspects of email. They're used to the
    immediacy of instragram or snapchat or family groupchats.


    Once they get deeply into the world of work they will discover email. >>>>> Instant messaging in its various forms works within an organisation, but >>>>> when you need to deal with external folk you still need email, mostly. In >>>>> my line of work thererCOs no chance that email will go away.

    You may say that - but think: in the same work situations, when did you >>>> last send a paper letter? I'm sure the same discussions happened there. >>>>
    I _like_ email, and am not on any of the "instant" mechanisms (OK, I
    have a dumbphone that can get texts, but I might not notice them for
    ages). I _do_ get slightly odd looks when I say no, I'm not on instagram >>>> (or whatever) - not just "young folk", but for example matters relating >>>> to the old folks coffee morning. (Well, nominally open to all, but since >>>> it's in the middle of a weekday morning a young person is very rare.)

    Email is the replacement for letters. When you deal with people in business >>> who are not part of your organisation and are possibly in different time >>> zones you need a method of communication that can be attended to not
    immediately, keeps a sortable record of what is sent and received, can have >>> documents attached, uses common standards (ie not some proprietary
    protocol) because you donrCOt know what the other end is using, etc.

    I'm with you (though I remember confusion over UUcode, MIME, and I think
    a later protocol - initially UU was the default and you only used MIME
    for those you knew could handle it, now many clients don't even know
    what to do with UU - not to mention whether truly embedded or not);
    however, as Chris says, some of today's generation struggle with email.

    Struggle yes. IrCOve noticed that the younger folk agonise for ages composing an email. Me, I just type a few quick lines and hit send. Extra black marks for people who start emails with rCLI hope this email finds you wellrCY or similar.

    Yes, that makes me think I'm back in the days of "referring to yours of
    the 5th ult."!

    Or who sign off with "Yours sincerely/faithfully". (I might stretch to a "Regards,", though not often.)
    --
    J. P. Gilliver. UMRA: 1960/<1985 MB++G()ALIS-Ch++(p)Ar++T+H+Sh0!:`)DNAf

    Key to understanding the English is that they do serious things
    sillily, and silly things seriously.
    - @williambulmer6389 on YouTube, ~2024
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  • From David Rance@david@SPAMOFF.invalid to uk.telecom.broadband on Sun May 24 18:37:21 2026
    From Newsgroup: uk.telecom.broadband

    On 24/05/2026 12:18, Tweed wrote:
    J. P. Gilliver <G6JPG@255soft.uk> wrote:
    On 2026/5/24 7:11:14, Tweed wrote:
    J. P. Gilliver <G6JPG@255soft.uk> wrote:
    On 2026/5/23 11:32:17, Tweed wrote:
    Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> wrote:
    J. P. Gilliver <G6JPG@255soft.uk> wrote:
    On 2026/5/22 8:36:0, Tweed wrote:
    []
    How long ago was this? My guess it was in the days when CGNAT was a bit of
    a novelty. These days, with probably the vast majority of consumer >>>>>>>> connections (including mobile phones) via CGNAT or frequently changing >>>>>>>> dynamically allocated routeable addresses yourCOd be out of business as an
    email provider if you blacklisted originating IP addresses.

    I have a nasty feeling that email as a whole may in the near future >>>>>>> start to be considered an anachronism, and those using it start to be >>>>>>> viewed in the same insulting/pitying way as those who now do not possess
    a smartphone, or who use a landline.

    I can confirm with recently adult children, they struggle a bit with the >>>>>> asynchronous and somewhat more formal aspects of email. They're used to the
    immediacy of instragram or snapchat or family groupchats.


    Once they get deeply into the world of work they will discover email. >>>>> Instant messaging in its various forms works within an organisation, but >>>>> when you need to deal with external folk you still need email, mostly. In >>>>> my line of work thererCOs no chance that email will go away.

    You may say that - but think: in the same work situations, when did you >>>> last send a paper letter? I'm sure the same discussions happened there. >>>>
    I _like_ email, and am not on any of the "instant" mechanisms (OK, I
    have a dumbphone that can get texts, but I might not notice them for
    ages). I _do_ get slightly odd looks when I say no, I'm not on instagram >>>> (or whatever) - not just "young folk", but for example matters relating >>>> to the old folks coffee morning. (Well, nominally open to all, but since >>>> it's in the middle of a weekday morning a young person is very rare.)

    Email is the replacement for letters. When you deal with people in business >>> who are not part of your organisation and are possibly in different time >>> zones you need a method of communication that can be attended to not
    immediately, keeps a sortable record of what is sent and received, can have >>> documents attached, uses common standards (ie not some proprietary
    protocol) because you donrCOt know what the other end is using, etc.

    I'm with you (though I remember confusion over UUcode, MIME, and I think
    a later protocol - initially UU was the default and you only used MIME
    for those you knew could handle it, now many clients don't even know
    what to do with UU - not to mention whether truly embedded or not);
    however, as Chris says, some of today's generation struggle with email.

    Struggle yes. IrCOve noticed that the younger folk agonise for ages composing an email. Me, I just type a few quick lines and hit send. Extra black marks for people who start emails with rCLI hope this email finds you wellrCY or similar.


    Or "Hi, how are you doing?"

    How am I doing WHAT?

    David
    --
    David Rance writing from Le Mesnil Villement, Calvados, France


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  • From Chris@ithinkiam@gmail.com to uk.telecom.broadband on Sun May 24 22:10:09 2026
    From Newsgroup: uk.telecom.broadband

    Tweed <usenet.tweed@gmail.com> wrote:
    J. P. Gilliver <G6JPG@255soft.uk> wrote:
    On 2026/5/24 7:11:14, Tweed wrote:
    J. P. Gilliver <G6JPG@255soft.uk> wrote:
    On 2026/5/23 11:32:17, Tweed wrote:
    Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> wrote:
    J. P. Gilliver <G6JPG@255soft.uk> wrote:
    On 2026/5/22 8:36:0, Tweed wrote:
    []
    How long ago was this? My guess it was in the days when CGNAT was a bit of
    a novelty. These days, with probably the vast majority of consumer >>>>>>>> connections (including mobile phones) via CGNAT or frequently changing >>>>>>>> dynamically allocated routeable addresses yourCOd be out of business as an
    email provider if you blacklisted originating IP addresses.

    I have a nasty feeling that email as a whole may in the near future >>>>>>> start to be considered an anachronism, and those using it start to be >>>>>>> viewed in the same insulting/pitying way as those who now do not possess
    a smartphone, or who use a landline.

    I can confirm with recently adult children, they struggle a bit with the >>>>>> asynchronous and somewhat more formal aspects of email. They're used to the
    immediacy of instragram or snapchat or family groupchats.


    Once they get deeply into the world of work they will discover email. >>>>> Instant messaging in its various forms works within an organisation, but >>>>> when you need to deal with external folk you still need email, mostly. In >>>>> my line of work thererCOs no chance that email will go away.

    You may say that - but think: in the same work situations, when did you >>>> last send a paper letter? I'm sure the same discussions happened there. >>>>
    I _like_ email, and am not on any of the "instant" mechanisms (OK, I
    have a dumbphone that can get texts, but I might not notice them for
    ages). I _do_ get slightly odd looks when I say no, I'm not on instagram >>>> (or whatever) - not just "young folk", but for example matters relating >>>> to the old folks coffee morning. (Well, nominally open to all, but since >>>> it's in the middle of a weekday morning a young person is very rare.)

    Email is the replacement for letters. When you deal with people in business >>> who are not part of your organisation and are possibly in different time >>> zones you need a method of communication that can be attended to not
    immediately, keeps a sortable record of what is sent and received, can have >>> documents attached, uses common standards (ie not some proprietary
    protocol) because you donrCOt know what the other end is using, etc.

    I'm with you (though I remember confusion over UUcode, MIME, and I think
    a later protocol - initially UU was the default and you only used MIME
    for those you knew could handle it, now many clients don't even know
    what to do with UU - not to mention whether truly embedded or not);
    however, as Chris says, some of today's generation struggle with email.

    Struggle yes. IrCOve noticed that the younger folk agonise for ages composing an email.

    Literal days of agony. Not even kidding.

    Me, I just type a few quick lines and hit send.

    Me too, mostly.

    Extra black marks
    for people who start emails with rCLI hope this email finds you wellrCY or similar.

    That's a bit harsh.

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  • From Richmond@dnomhcir@gmx.com to uk.telecom.broadband on Mon May 25 10:21:25 2026
    From Newsgroup: uk.telecom.broadband

    Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> writes:

    Tweed <usenet.tweed@gmail.com> wrote:
    J. P. Gilliver <G6JPG@255soft.uk> wrote:
    On 2026/5/24 7:11:14, Tweed wrote:
    J. P. Gilliver <G6JPG@255soft.uk> wrote:
    On 2026/5/23 11:32:17, Tweed wrote:
    Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> wrote:
    J. P. Gilliver <G6JPG@255soft.uk> wrote:
    On 2026/5/22 8:36:0, Tweed wrote:
    [] > How long ago was this? My guess it was in the days when >>>>>>>>CGNAT was a bit of > a novelty. These days, with probably the >>>>>>>>vast majority of consumer > connections (including mobile >>>>>>>>phones) via CGNAT or frequently changing > dynamically allocated >>>>>>>>routeable addresses yourCOd be out of business as an > email >>>>>>>>provider if you blacklisted originating IP addresses.

    I have a nasty feeling that email as a whole may in the near
    future start to be considered an anachronism, and those using
    it start to be viewed in the same insulting/pitying way as
    those who now do not possess a smartphone, or who use a
    landline.

    I can confirm with recently adult children, they struggle a bit
    with the asynchronous and somewhat more formal aspects of
    email. They're used to the immediacy of instragram or snapchat
    or family groupchats.


    Once they get deeply into the world of work they will discover
    email. Instant messaging in its various forms works within an
    organisation, but when you need to deal with external folk you
    still need email, mostly. In my line of work thererCOs no chance
    that email will go away.

    You may say that - but think: in the same work situations, when
    did you last send a paper letter? I'm sure the same discussions
    happened there.

    I _like_ email, and am not on any of the "instant" mechanisms (OK,
    I have a dumbphone that can get texts, but I might not notice them
    for ages). I _do_ get slightly odd looks when I say no, I'm not on
    instagram (or whatever) - not just "young folk", but for example
    matters relating to the old folks coffee morning. (Well, nominally
    open to all, but since it's in the middle of a weekday morning a
    young person is very rare.)

    Email is the replacement for letters. When you deal with people in
    business who are not part of your organisation and are possibly in
    different time zones you need a method of communication that can be
    attended to not immediately, keeps a sortable record of what is
    sent and received, can have documents attached, uses common
    standards (ie not some proprietary protocol) because you donrCOt know
    what the other end is using, etc.

    I'm with you (though I remember confusion over UUcode, MIME, and I
    think a later protocol - initially UU was the default and you only
    used MIME for those you knew could handle it, now many clients don't
    even know what to do with UU - not to mention whether truly embedded
    or not); however, as Chris says, some of today's generation struggle
    with email.

    Struggle yes. IrCOve noticed that the younger folk agonise for ages
    composing an email.

    Literal days of agony. Not even kidding.

    Me, I just type a few quick lines and hit send.

    Me too, mostly.

    Extra black marks for people who start emails with rCLI hope this email
    finds you wellrCY or similar.

    That's a bit harsh.

    I have had so many misunderstandings because of brief ambiguous text
    messages and emails, I think we should go back to the 18th centuary art
    of writing long letters. In those days as the turn around time was so
    long it was better to say it twice in two different ways than say it ambiguously.

    You can write formal or informal emails, just as you could with
    letters. You can even use Delta Chat to sent emails with a chat
    interface.
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  • From Jason H@jason_hindle@yahoo.com to uk.telecom.broadband on Sat May 30 09:29:44 2026
    From Newsgroup: uk.telecom.broadband

    On 21/05/2026 10:15, Jeff Gaines wrote:

    I have just spoken to EE about this.

    I can get 4G in the village and was offered 2 packages:

    100 Mb/s unlimited downloads -u35 per month
    Max speed (whatever the SIM supports) unlimited downloads -u43 per month

    I currently get 12 Mb/s over my landline so the potential speed is a dream.

    Problem is the connections is via a small box that you can take from room
    to room and connect to via WiFi so whenever I want to use the Internet I >have to connect (up to 5 devices a time).

    At the moment I feed the connection into my powerline so it's available in >any room and the router also has WiFi so any device can connect via WiFi.

    Does anybody here have this sort of service? If so is it something that
    you get used to? It's quite a different way of working.

    I have a colleague who uses this without any problems. As others have
    written, caveat YMMV, but definitely worth trying if on an old ADSL
    connection. If you have a landline number you want to keep, you may need to
    migrate it to a VoIP provider. If the 4/5G router has an ethernet port, you
    can build your own wired/wireless network and connect the router to this.
    --
    --
    A PICKER OF UNCONSIDERED TRIFLES
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  • From J. P. Gilliver@G6JPG@255soft.uk to uk.telecom.broadband on Sat May 30 13:43:59 2026
    From Newsgroup: uk.telecom.broadband

    On 2026/5/30 10:29:44, Jason H wrote:
    On 21/05/2026 10:15, Jeff Gaines wrote:
    []
    Problem is the connections is via a small box that you can take from room >> to room and connect to via WiFi so whenever I want to use the Internet I
    have to connect (up to 5 devices a time).

    When you say take from room to room, do you mean you have to, because
    its wifi connectivity is of very limited range? Or just that you _can_
    (which I'd not do unless it _is_ that limited)?
    []
    --
    J. P. Gilliver. UMRA: 1960/<1985 MB++G()ALIS-Ch++(p)Ar++T+H+Sh0!:`)DNAf

    Never raise your hand to your children. It leaves your mid-section
    unprotected
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  • From Woody@harrogate3@ntlworld.com to uk.telecom.broadband on Sat May 30 15:54:48 2026
    From Newsgroup: uk.telecom.broadband

    On Sat 30/05/2026 10:29, Jason H wrote:
    On 21/05/2026 10:15, Jeff Gaines wrote:

    I have just spoken to EE about this.

    I can get 4G in the village and was offered 2 packages:

    100 Mb/s unlimited downloads -u35 per month
    Max speed (whatever the SIM supports) unlimited downloads -u43 per month

    I currently get 12 Mb/s over my landline so the potential speed is a
    dream.

    Problem is the connections is via a small box that you can take from
    room to room and connect to via WiFi so whenever I want to use the
    Internet I have to connect (up to 5 devices a time).

    At the moment I feed the connection into my powerline so it's
    available in any room and the router also has WiFi so any device can
    connect via WiFi.

    Does anybody here have this sort of service? If so is it something
    that you get used to? It's quite a different way of working.

    I have a colleague who uses this without any problems. As others have written, caveat YMMV, but definitely worth trying if on an old ADSL connection. If you have a landline number you want to keep, you may need to migrate it to a VoIP provider. If the 4/5G router has an ethernet port, you can build your own wired/wireless network and connect the router to this.


    A friend has recently moved to an small new development which has EE
    fibre only. They have been told that they cannot erect aerials or sat
    dishes (although that is not in writing and the properties are freehold)
    - but the house is wired from all rooms to a common location in the
    loft, all terminated in B/L TV connectors. Fortunately they live within
    site of a relay TX so ordinary off-air signals do work even with an
    indoor aerial!

    Their problem is that EE do not carry all Freeview channels. On our
    friend's behalf (he is totally non-technical) I rang Sky who said that
    as BTOR carry EE and Sky, he could move to Sky very easily - as indeed
    he did.

    Sky provide a free telephone 'line' within this package on which they
    can receive calls, but if you don't have a call package, then to make
    calls? 27p/minute!!! Ergo the suggestion above of moving the landline
    phone number to a Voip provider (calls usually a few pence a minute if
    not even free) is sound. The Voip service will continue to work whoever
    is the main broadband provider.

    Next question on here is to ask for opinions on Voip providers!

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  • From Andy Burns@usenet@andyburns.uk to uk.telecom.broadband on Sat May 30 16:01:47 2026
    From Newsgroup: uk.telecom.broadband

    Woody wrote:

    A friend has recently moved to an small new development which has EE
    fibre only

    Doesn't sound right? EE is part of BT (like Plusnet) so you can bet
    it's installed by Openreach and any other provider that runs over
    Openreach is also available ...

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  • From J. P. Gilliver@G6JPG@255soft.uk to uk.telecom.broadband,uk.telecom.voip on Sat May 30 17:22:59 2026
    From Newsgroup: uk.telecom.broadband

    On 2026/5/30 15:54:48, Woody wrote:
    []
    A friend has recently moved to an small new development which has EE
    fibre only.

    (Andy: I don't think he meant only from EE, I think he meant fibre only,
    no dish or aerial.)

    They have been told that they cannot erect aerials or sat
    dishes (although that is not in writing and the properties are freehold)

    Might be something in the planning grant for the development - worth
    checking; should be freely available (and not _too_ hard to find) on the relevant local authority planning website. Though even if there's
    nothing actually blocking it, may be unpopular with neighbours if does
    put something up. But ...

    - but the house is wired from all rooms to a common location in the
    loft, all terminated in B/L TV connectors. Fortunately they live within
    site of a relay TX so ordinary off-air signals do work even with an
    indoor aerial!

    ... if that's the case, an aerial in the loft (unless the roof is made
    of something very odd, or maybe has solar panels) might be all that's
    needed (perhaps with a booster if it's to feed lots of rooms).

    Their problem is that EE do not carry all Freeview channels. On our
    friend's behalf (he is totally non-technical) I rang Sky who said that
    as BTOR carry EE and Sky, he could move to Sky very easily - as indeed
    he did.

    Paying, of course, for what he can get for free. Unless he is now hooked
    on the extra channels. Also, presumably, using up some of his internet bandwidth, though probably not significant if full fibre, unless a many-streaming household.

    Sky provide a free telephone 'line' within this package on which they
    can receive calls, but if you don't have a call package, then to make
    calls? 27p/minute!!! Ergo the suggestion above of moving the landline
    phone number to a Voip provider (calls usually a few pence a minute if
    not even free) is sound. The Voip service will continue to work whoever
    is the main broadband provider.

    Does he have a mobile contract with free minutes? I know most people do
    (I don't); if so, then the Sky one - which sounds like it's VoIP anyway
    - is least bother (just make outgoing calls on the mobile) and free;
    most VoIP suppliers do charge, even though only a tiny amount, to keep a landline number.

    Next question on here is to ask for opinions on Voip providers!

    Or on u.t.voip :-) [I've added it.]

    Being one of the few _without_ a mobile contract that includes free
    minutes, I've been monitoring what people are saying here, and here's
    what I've garnered: Zen are workmanlike, though I'm not sure if you can
    have _just_ VoIP from them, or have to get your broadband from them; A&A (Andrews & Arnold) may be excellent, though at least one has found that
    their reputation for being the Rolls-Royce of ISP has made them a bit
    snooty when dealing with customers for just VoIP (which they're doing at competitive pricing); voipfone seems to be regarded well by the one or
    two using them. Prices seem to be, I think, a pound or two for just the facility, maybe plus a one-off fee to transfer a number; five or six for
    the number plus about 500 minutes a month; other fees for different
    numbers of minutes, including unlimited for quite a lot (not sure if all providers provide that option). If you are going to continue using your analogue 'phone, you'll need an adapter ("ATA"), unless the router the
    ISP provides has one built in, or your current handset is one that can
    register with a base station that some routers already include. (BT and
    I think Zen's routers have the ATA built in [a telephone socket on the
    router]; I _think_ EE do; PlusNet don't (and aren't going to be offering
    VoIP).

    Clarifications/corrections welcome :-)
    --
    J. P. Gilliver. UMRA: 1960/<1985 MB++G()ALIS-Ch++(p)Ar++T+H+Sh0!:`)DNAf

    cookery seems to be the new sex. - Michael Buerk in RT, 2017/1/21-27
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  • From Richmond@dnomhcir@gmx.com to uk.telecom.broadband on Sat May 30 17:25:23 2026
    From Newsgroup: uk.telecom.broadband

    Woody <harrogate3@ntlworld.com> writes:

    Their problem is that EE do not carry all Freeview channels.

    What channels are there which cannot be obtained over the internet? Why
    not buy a Roku TV stick? too late now, but it seemed odd to me to link
    tv channels to broadband.
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  • From David Wade@g4ugm@dave.invalid to uk.telecom.broadband on Sat May 30 17:51:24 2026
    From Newsgroup: uk.telecom.broadband

    On 30/05/2026 17:25, Richmond wrote:
    Woody <harrogate3@ntlworld.com> writes:

    Their problem is that EE do not carry all Freeview channels.

    What channels are there which cannot be obtained over the internet? Why
    not buy a Roku TV stick? too late now, but it seemed odd to me to link
    tv channels to broadband.

    Quest, the various +1 channels , Sky Mix, Sky Arts, TLC

    Dave
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  • From Woody@harrogate3@ntlworld.com to uk.telecom.broadband on Sat May 30 20:12:57 2026
    From Newsgroup: uk.telecom.broadband

    On Sat 30/05/2026 16:01, Andy Burns wrote:
    Woody wrote:

    A friend has recently moved to an small new development which has EE
    fibre only

    Doesn't sound right?-a EE is part of BT (like Plusnet) so you can bet
    it's installed by Openreach and any other provider that runs over
    Openreach is also available ...


    The installation already in place was branded EE and so were the the
    bills. He had been told that it was EE or nothing. I called Sky who said
    -as I thought they would and you did - that both EE and Sky use OR so
    they could swap - which he did as a former Sky user. The daft bit is
    that EE is poor in the village and O2 is not much better. There is a
    single mast in the middle of the village that carries 3 only.

    The house our friend lives in is one of these modern' throw-ups' which
    uses quite a lot of metal foil in the insulation - that doesn't help. I
    did warn them before they moved and that they should move the number to
    Voip so that could retain it when they moved (same dialling code) but
    they didn't bother and now have a new number that no-one knows!

    There's a lot more channels than those nominated missing - all the
    selling channels, most (all) of the 'That's' channels 70 and upwards, so
    of the 5series channels etc. We get over 80 SD channels off air, they
    get about 45 off EE but more than us (now) off Sky.
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