If you are pondering moving to FTTP, and are fed by overhead lines, it may
be worth getting a move on. IrCOve recently had a migration and the Openreach technician said there were only 8 available connections on our pole. That pole serves more than 8 properties. I enquired what might happen after all
8 were used. The response was yourCOd be waiting a long time for them to upgrade. Bit like FTTC that when all the connections in the cabinet were
used up you were out of luck.
If you are pondering moving to FTTP, and are fed by overhead lines, it may
be worth getting a move on. IrCOve recently had a migration and the Openreach technician said there were only 8 available connections on our pole. That pole serves more than 8 properties. I enquired what might happen after all
8 were used. The response was yourCOd be waiting a long time for them to upgrade. Bit like FTTC that when all the connections in the cabinet were
used up you were out of luck.
David Rance wrote:
[snip]
Why do you want two FTTP lines into your property?-a Just curious ...
Anyway, my present FTTP line is with IDNet/Cityfibre. They replied to my enquiry promptly but said that CityFibre allow only one line per
household (which I didn't know - does anyone else know this?).
On 28/03/2026 08:36, Graham J wrote:
David Rance wrote:Because I've run my own mail server for about 20 years and sometimes a
[snip]
Why do you want two FTTP lines into your property?-a Just curious ...
web server. Although it's not mandatory to have two IP addresses to run servers, I can get complaints that I don't have any backup should an MX address fail.
David
David Rance <david@SPAMOFF.invalid> wrote:
On 28/03/2026 08:36, Graham J wrote:
David Rance wrote:Because I've run my own mail server for about 20 years and sometimes a
[snip]
Why do you want two FTTP lines into your property?-a Just curious ...
web server. Although it's not mandatory to have two IP addresses to run
servers, I can get complaints that I don't have any backup should an MX
address fail.
David
Are you able to get more than one routeable IP address from IDNet to use
over your existing connection?
On 28/03/2026 08:36, Graham J wrote:
David Rance wrote:
[snip]
Why do you want two FTTP lines into your property?-a Just curious ...
Because I've run my own mail server for about 20 years and sometimes a
web server. Although it's not mandatory to have two IP addresses to run servers, I can get complaints that I don't have any backup should an MX address fail.
On 28/03/2026 08:36, Graham J wrote:
David Rance wrote:Because I've run my own mail server for about 20 years and sometimes a
[snip]
Why do you want two FTTP lines into your property?-a Just curious ...
web server. Although it's not mandatory to have two IP addresses to run servers, I can get complaints that I don't have any backup should an MX address fail.
On 28/03/2026 09:23, Tweed wrote:
David Rance <david@SPAMOFF.invalid> wrote:Hadn't thought of that. But it wouldn't solve the problem of a
On 28/03/2026 08:36, Graham J wrote:
David Rance wrote:Because I've run my own mail server for about 20 years and sometimes a
[snip]
Why do you want two FTTP lines into your property?-a Just curious ...
web server. Although it's not mandatory to have two IP addresses to run
servers, I can get complaints that I don't have any backup should an MX
address fail.
David
Are you able to get more than one routeable IP address from IDNet to use
over your existing connection?
connection going down as it would come in over the same wire ...
... wouldn't it?
David Rance <david@spamoff.invalid> wrote:
On 28/03/2026 08:36, Graham J wrote:Wouldn't a virtual server running on a hosting service somewhere right
David Rance wrote:Because I've run my own mail server for about 20 years and sometimes a
[snip]
Why do you want two FTTP lines into your property?-a Just curious ...
web server. Although it's not mandatory to have two IP addresses to run
servers, I can get complaints that I don't have any backup should an MX
address fail.
away from your home provide a better backup MX? Virtual servers can
be **very** inexpensive nowadays. E.g. I have one at Fasthosts that
costs less than -u1.50 per month.
On 28/03/2026 09:41, Chris Green wrote:
David Rance <david@spamoff.invalid> wrote:Yes, I think it would. Trouble is, I've had this server running for 20
On 28/03/2026 08:36, Graham J wrote:Wouldn't a virtual server running on a hosting service somewhere right
David Rance wrote:Because I've run my own mail server for about 20 years and sometimes a
[snip]
Why do you want two FTTP lines into your property?-a Just curious ...
web server. Although it's not mandatory to have two IP addresses to run
servers, I can get complaints that I don't have any backup should an MX
address fail.
away from your home provide a better backup MX? Virtual servers can
be **very** inexpensive nowadays. E.g. I have one at Fasthosts that
costs less than -u1.50 per month.
years and just haven't thought about modifications or improvements.
I have a house in Normandy where I've also got FTTP. I've often thought
that I could make that work as a second server but never got further
than the wondering stage.
David
On 28/03/2026 08:36, Graham J wrote:
David Rance wrote:Because I've run my own mail server for about 20 years and sometimes a
[snip]
Why do you want two FTTP lines into your property?-a Just curious ...
web server. Although it's not mandatory to have two IP addresses to run servers, I can get complaints that I don't have any backup should an MX address fail.
David Rance <david@SPAMOFF.invalid> wrote:
On 28/03/2026 09:23, Tweed wrote:
David Rance <david@SPAMOFF.invalid> wrote:Hadn't thought of that. But it wouldn't solve the problem of a
On 28/03/2026 08:36, Graham J wrote:
David Rance wrote:Because I've run my own mail server for about 20 years and sometimes a >>>> web server. Although it's not mandatory to have two IP addresses to run >>>> servers, I can get complaints that I don't have any backup should an MX >>>> address fail.
[snip]
Why do you want two FTTP lines into your property?-a Just curious ... >>>>>
David
Are you able to get more than one routeable IP address from IDNet to use >>> over your existing connection?
connection going down as it would come in over the same wire ...
... wouldn't it?
But nor would having two CityFibre links. CF failures are rare, but when
they do happen itrCOs usually a failure in their fibre exchange. If you do want diversity having an Openreach connection with a different ISP would be better.
my third year of a CF/IDNet service and it has been down only once for a couple of hours. That was CF, not IDNet.
On 28/03/2026 10:06, Tweed wrote:
David Rance <david@SPAMOFF.invalid> wrote:
On 28/03/2026 09:23, Tweed wrote:
David Rance <david@SPAMOFF.invalid> wrote:Hadn't thought of that. But it wouldn't solve the problem of a
On 28/03/2026 08:36, Graham J wrote:
David Rance wrote:Because I've run my own mail server for about 20 years and sometimes a >>>>> web server. Although it's not mandatory to have two IP addresses to run >>>>> servers, I can get complaints that I don't have any backup should an MX >>>>> address fail.
[snip]
Why do you want two FTTP lines into your property?-a Just curious ... >>>>>>
David
Are you able to get more than one routeable IP address from IDNet to use >>>> over your existing connection?
connection going down as it would come in over the same wire ...
... wouldn't it?
But nor would having two CityFibre links. CF failures are rare, but when
they do happen itrCOs usually a failure in their fibre exchange. If you do >> want diversity having an Openreach connection with a different ISP would be >> better.
That's why I tried Zen but I wasn't impressed with the length of time
they took to answer.
Or perhaps a cellular connection with a static IP address. IrCOm in
my third year of a CF/IDNet service and it has been down only once for aI did have a cellular connection at one point with a dynamic IP. Big mistake. I got blacklisted!
couple of hours. That was CF, not IDNet.
David
David Rance <david@SPAMOFF.invalid> wrote:
On 28/03/2026 10:06, Tweed wrote:
David Rance <david@SPAMOFF.invalid> wrote:
On 28/03/2026 09:23, Tweed wrote:
David Rance <david@SPAMOFF.invalid> wrote:Hadn't thought of that. But it wouldn't solve the problem of a
On 28/03/2026 08:36, Graham J wrote:
David Rance wrote:Because I've run my own mail server for about 20 years and sometimes a >>>>>> web server. Although it's not mandatory to have two IP addresses to run >>>>>> servers, I can get complaints that I don't have any backup should an MX >>>>>> address fail.
[snip]
Why do you want two FTTP lines into your property?-a Just curious ... >>>>>>>
David
Are you able to get more than one routeable IP address from IDNet to use >>>>> over your existing connection?
connection going down as it would come in over the same wire ...
... wouldn't it?
But nor would having two CityFibre links. CF failures are rare, but when >>> they do happen itrCOs usually a failure in their fibre exchange. If you do >>> want diversity having an Openreach connection with a different ISP would be >>> better.
That's why I tried Zen but I wasn't impressed with the length of time
they took to answer.
Or perhaps a cellular connection with a static IP address. IrCOm in
my third year of a CF/IDNet service and it has been down only once for a >>> couple of hours. That was CF, not IDNet.I did have a cellular connection at one point with a dynamic IP. Big
mistake. I got blacklisted!
David
https://www.aa.net.uk/voice-and-mobile/data-sims/
Not sure if the price per Mb would hurt you or not.
I donrCOt know much about MX records. Does the alternate address have to be IPv4? IDNet will have given you a whole heap of IPv6 addresses.
From: David Rance <david@SPAMOFF.invalid>That is unusual for Zen, they are normally very good, in my experience
Subject: Re: DonrCOt delay getting FTTP
Date: Sat, 28 Mar 2026 10:49:31 +0000
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On 28/03/2026 10:06, Tweed wrote:
David Rance <david@SPAMOFF.invalid> wrote:
On 28/03/2026 09:23, Tweed wrote:
David Rance <david@SPAMOFF.invalid> wrote:Hadn't thought of that. But it wouldn't solve the problem of a
On 28/03/2026 08:36, Graham J wrote:
David Rance wrote:Because I've run my own mail server for about 20 years and
[snip]
Why do you want two FTTP lines into your property?-a Just
curious ...
sometimes a web server. Although it's not mandatory to have two
IP addresses to run servers, I can get complaints that I don't
have any backup should an MX address fail.
David
Are you able to get more than one routeable IP address from IDNet
to use over your existing connection?
connection going down as it would come in over the same wire ...
... wouldn't it?
But nor would having two CityFibre links. CF failures are rare, but
when they do happen itrCOs usually a failure in their fibre exchange.
If you do want diversity having an Openreach connection with a
different ISP would be better.
That's why I tried Zen but I wasn't impressed with the length of time
they took to answer.
If you are pondering moving to FTTP, and are fed by overhead lines, it may
be worth getting a move on. IrCOve recently had a migration and the Openreach technician said there were only 8 available connections on our pole. That pole serves more than 8 properties. I enquired what might happen after all
8 were used. The response was yourCOd be waiting a long time for them to upgrade. Bit like FTTC that when all the connections in the cabinet were
used up you were out of luck.
On 27 Mar 2026 17:21, Tweed wrote:
If you are pondering moving to FTTP, and are fed by overhead lines, it may >> be worth getting a move on. IrCOve recently had a migration and the Openreach
technician said there were only 8 available connections on our pole. That
pole serves more than 8 properties. I enquired what might happen after all >> 8 were used. The response was yourCOd be waiting a long time for them to
upgrade. Bit like FTTC that when all the connections in the cabinet were
used up you were out of luck.
Until last week I had three fibres to my house.
Only one of them is in use, another is connected to an ONT but the ONT
is off and the third only gets as far as the CSP.
Openreach knocked on the door last week to ask if I could spare one as
my neighbour had ordered FTTP (via Zen). I relinquished the one that is
only to the ONT. So it is still there but not plugged in at the top of
the pole. Strange that the planners sent out a team without checking
first.
Rupert Moss-Eccardt <news@moss-eccardt.com> wrote:
On 27 Mar 2026 17:21, Tweed wrote:IrCOm assuming you are only paying for the one active fibre? If thatrCOs the case presumably the planners know this and the technician call was to
If you are pondering moving to FTTP, and are fed by overhead lines, it may >>> be worth getting a move on. IrCOve recently had a migration and the Openreach
technician said there were only 8 available connections on our pole. That >>> pole serves more than 8 properties. I enquired what might happen after all >>> 8 were used. The response was yourCOd be waiting a long time for them to >>> upgrade. Bit like FTTC that when all the connections in the cabinet were >>> used up you were out of luck.
Until last week I had three fibres to my house.
Only one of them is in use, another is connected to an ONT but the ONT
is off and the third only gets as far as the CSP.
Openreach knocked on the door last week to ask if I could spare one as
my neighbour had ordered FTTP (via Zen). I relinquished the one that is
only to the ONT. So it is still there but not plugged in at the top of
the pole. Strange that the planners sent out a team without checking
first.
double check?
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