From Newsgroup: uk.telecom.broadband

I need to take out a new broadband contract, but require to keep the
FTTC setup I have at present. I am having difficulty finding a supplier
that offers a new part-fibre contract. All seem to push Full Fibre
contracts. Any suggestions?
Regards

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On 27/03/2026 16:24, newman wrote:

I need to take out a new broadband contract, but require to keep the
FTTC setup I have at present. I am having difficulty finding-a a supplier that offers a new part-fibre contract. All seem to push Full Fibre contracts. Any suggestions?
Regards

In most cases they have no choice. If FTTP is available (almost) no one
can sell you FTTC on a new contract...

.. I think TalkTalk have some limited exemptions on some exchanges, but
I believe these end January next year...

what part of the move from FTTC to FTTP causes you problems?

Dave
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newman wrote:

I need to take out a new broadband contract, but require to keep the
FTTC setup I have at present. I am having difficulty finding-a a supplier that offers a new part-fibre contract. All seem to push Full Fibre contracts.

Once OpenReach have forked-out for FTTP in an area they'll want to stop forking-out to keep the FTTC running ...
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Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> wrote:

newman wrote:

I need to take out a new broadband contract, but require to keep the
FTTC setup I have at present. I am having difficulty finding-a a supplier >> that offers a new part-fibre contract. All seem to push Full Fibre
contracts.

Once OpenReach have forked-out for FTTP in an area they'll want to stop forking-out to keep the FTTC running ...

Both Andrews and Arnold and IDNet can achieve the hard to do, but only if Openreach allow. Email them directly rather than using their web based offerings. Though irCOd also be curious as to why you want to retain FTTC if FTTP is available.

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On 27/03/2026 17:14, Tweed wrote:

Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> wrote:

newman wrote:

I need to take out a new broadband contract, but require to keep the
FTTC setup I have at present. I am having difficulty finding-a a supplier >>> that offers a new part-fibre contract. All seem to push Full Fibre
contracts.

Once OpenReach have forked-out for FTTP in an area they'll want to stop
forking-out to keep the FTTC running ...

Both Andrews and Arnold and IDNet can achieve the hard to do, but only if Openreach allow. Email them directly rather than using their web based offerings. Though irCOd also be curious as to why you want to retain FTTC if FTTP is available.

I think we both mis-read that. I think he meant "once OpenReach have
invested in FTTP they want to stop paying the costs of running FTTC"
Dave
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Tweed wrote:
[snip]

Though IrCOd also be curious as to why you want to retain FTTC if
FTTP is available.

Me too ...

Even if Openreach can't install FTTP they will disconnect your voice
service so the FTTC will be used to carry VoIP. So you can't keep FTTC
in order to keep copper for voice.

What happens if Openreach can't supply any sort of broadband (e.g. when
the copper pair to the exchange is over 7km in length) I don't know.
Would be interested to hear from anybody in that position ...
--
Graham J
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From Newsgroup: uk.telecom.broadband

On 27/03/2026 16:45, David Wade wrote:

On 27/03/2026 16:24, newman wrote:

I need to take out a new broadband contract, but require to keep the
FTTC setup I have at present. I am having difficulty finding-a a
supplier that offers a new part-fibre contract. All seem to push Full
Fibre contracts. Any suggestions?
Regards

In most cases they have no choice. If FTTP is available (almost) no one
can sell you FTTC on a new contract...

.. I think TalkTalk have some limited exemptions on some exchanges, but
I believe these end January next year...

what part of the move from FTTC to FTTP causes you problems?

Dave

The existing installation is a buried armoured cable but I have been
advised that they will install the fibre cable from a pole which is much
lower than the house and thus will hang very low over the back patio.
Almost certainly lower than the 3 metre minimum specification.
That is why the cable was buried at the original installation.

Regards
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From Newsgroup: uk.telecom.broadband

newman <aa111@despammed.com> wrote:

On 27/03/2026 16:45, David Wade wrote:

On 27/03/2026 16:24, newman wrote:

I need to take out a new broadband contract, but require to keep the
FTTC setup I have at present. I am having difficulty finding-a a
supplier that offers a new part-fibre contract. All seem to push Full
Fibre contracts. Any suggestions?
Regards

In most cases they have no choice. If FTTP is available (almost) no one
can sell you FTTC on a new contract...

.. I think TalkTalk have some limited exemptions on some exchanges, but
I believe these end January next year...

what part of the move from FTTC to FTTP causes you problems?

Dave

The existing installation is a buried armoured cable but I have been
advised that they will install the fibre cable from a pole which is much lower than the house and thus will hang very low over the back patio.
Almost certainly lower than the 3 metre minimum specification.
That is why the cable was buried at the original installation.

Regards

Well you are going to have to migrate to FTTP at some point (unless you
move house first). They can be creative with the fibre drop cable. For <reasons> the pole that feeds me with FTTC is never going to have FTTP. In
the end they (Openreach) installed a very long overhead fibre from a pole
in the next street. The installer said their initial work was to do all the easy connections and now they were done they were coming back to do the
harder ones. This was part of the reason why they said for years I couldnrCOt have FTTP and then suddenly I could.

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In article <10q6dub$3tugl$1@dont-email.me>,
Tweed <usenet.tweed@gmail.com> wrote:

Though i'd also be curious as to why you want to retain FTTC if
FTTP is available.

Good reasons include not wanting to have to run new cable into your
house, perhaps because you have an awkward downstairs neighbour across
whose garden it would run.

-- Richard
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On Sat, 28 Mar 2026 09:58:14 +0000, newman <aa111@despammed.com>
wrote:

On 27/03/2026 16:45, David Wade wrote:

On 27/03/2026 16:24, newman wrote:

I need to take out a new broadband contract, but require to keep the
FTTC setup I have at present. I am having difficulty findinga a
supplier that offers a new part-fibre contract. All seem to push Full
Fibre contracts. Any suggestions?
Regards

In most cases they have no choice. If FTTP is available (almost) no one
can sell you FTTC on a new contract...

.. I think TalkTalk have some limited exemptions on some exchanges, but
I believe these end January next year...

what part of the move from FTTC to FTTP causes you problems?

Dave

The existing installation is a buried armoured cable but I have been
advised that they will install the fibre cable from a pole which is much >lower than the house and thus will hang very low over the back patio.
Almost certainly lower than the 3 metre minimum specification.
That is why the cable was buried at the original installation.

They will have to find a way to connect you that is compliant.
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From Newsgroup: uk.telecom.broadband

Richard Tobin <richard@cogsci.ed.ac.uk> wrote:

In article <10q6dub$3tugl$1@dont-email.me>,
Tweed <usenet.tweed@gmail.com> wrote:

Though i'd also be curious as to why you want to retain FTTC if
FTTP is available.

Good reasons include not wanting to have to run new cable into your
house, perhaps because you have an awkward downstairs neighbour across
whose garden it would run.

ThatrCOs your neighbourrCOs problem surely? ;-)

Tim
--
Please don't feed the trolls
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From Newsgroup: uk.telecom.broadband

On Sat, 28 Mar 2026 08:06:43 +0000, Graham J wrote:

What happens if Openreach can't supply any sort of broadband (e.g. when
the copper pair to the exchange is over 7km in length) I don't know.
Would be interested to hear from anybody in that position ...

Interim services. There's a few flavours (SOTAP for Analogue, PDPL,
EVAC, ...) and I've not really kept up on the latest developments, but
they all involve retaining a copper line back to the exchange and
installing an ATA there. Supposedly temporary until FTTP gets installed.
I'm not seeing much sign of FTTP rollouts in these areas, so "temporary"
could be a long time - on the other hand OR can't hand back the exchange buildings while there's still ATAs in them so they might get a move on.

Mike
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Mike Humphrey wrote:

they all involve retaining a copper line back to the exchange and
installing an ATA there. Supposedly temporary until FTTP gets installed.
I'm not seeing much sign of FTTP rollouts in these areas, so "temporary" could be a long time - on the other hand OR can't hand back the exchange buildings while there's still ATAs in them so they might get a move on.

Or divert the exchange-end of the copper to a small powered street
cabinet, and cram the ATAs in there ...
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On Fri, 27 Mar 2026 16:24:16 +0000, newman <aa111@despammed.com>
wrote:

I need to take out a new broadband contract, but require to keep the
FTTC setup I have at present. I am having difficulty finding a supplier >that offers a new part-fibre contract. All seem to push Full Fibre >contracts. Any suggestions?

If you have a good Three 5G signal you can go for one of their
wireless routers. I'm giving it a go and it seems ok, certainly for
the price anyway.
--
AnthonyL

Why ever wait to finish a job before starting the next?
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From Newsgroup: uk.telecom.broadband

On 28/03/2026 09:58, newman wrote:

On 27/03/2026 16:45, David Wade wrote:

On 27/03/2026 16:24, newman wrote:

I need to take out a new broadband contract, but require to keep the
FTTC setup I have at present. I am having difficulty finding-a a
supplier that offers a new part-fibre contract. All seem to push Full
Fibre contracts. Any suggestions?
Regards

In most cases they have no choice. If FTTP is available (almost) no
one can sell you FTTC on a new contract...

.. I think TalkTalk have some limited exemptions on some exchanges,
but I believe these end January next year...

what part of the move from FTTC to FTTP causes you problems?

Dave

The existing installation is a buried armoured cable but I have been
advised that they will install the fibre cable from a pole which is much lower than the house and thus will hang very low over the back patio.
Almost certainly lower than the 3 metre minimum specification.

There is no official limit except over roads. They are looking more at
can you touch it...

That is why the cable was buried at the original installation.

They are very reluctant to bury fibre...

Regards

As I said if they can supply fibre that will be all you can order. This
is the mechanism OpenReach is using to force people to Fibre. No new
contracts for FTTC or bare copper. You can keep your existing FTTC but
pay out of contract prices, or switch to FTTP...

Dave


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On Sun, 29 Mar 2026 13:33:47 +0100, David Wade wrote:

On 28/03/2026 09:58, newman wrote:

That is why the cable was buried at the original installation.

They are very reluctant to bury fibre...

No, if there's an existing underground duct they're more than happy to run fibre through it - even if they have to unblock or repair it first. The problem is that a lot of copper lines are direct-buried armoured cable,
and in this case Openreach prefer to put in a new overhead run rather than install a new underground duct.

Mike
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From Newsgroup: uk.telecom.broadband

On 28/03/2026 20:02, Tim+ wrote:

Richard Tobin <richard@cogsci.ed.ac.uk> wrote:

In article <10q6dub$3tugl$1@dont-email.me>,
Tweed <usenet.tweed@gmail.com> wrote:

Though i'd also be curious as to why you want to retain FTTC if
FTTP is available.

Good reasons include not wanting to have to run new cable into your
house, perhaps because you have an awkward downstairs neighbour across
whose garden it would run.

ThatrCOs your neighbourrCOs problem surely? ;-)

Don't Openreach have 'wayleave rights', so they can just run the cable regardless what the neighbour (or anyone else) thinks ?
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On 29/03/2026 15:59, Mark Carver wrote:

On 28/03/2026 20:02, Tim+ wrote:

Richard Tobin <richard@cogsci.ed.ac.uk> wrote:

In article <10q6dub$3tugl$1@dont-email.me>,
Tweed-a <usenet.tweed@gmail.com> wrote:

Though i'd also be curious as to why you want to retain FTTC if
FTTP is available.

Good reasons include not wanting to have to run new cable into your
house, perhaps because you have an awkward downstairs neighbour across
whose garden it would run.

ThatrCOs your neighbourrCOs problem surely? ;-)

Don't Openreach have 'wayleave rights', so they can just run the cable regardless what the neighbour (or anyone else) thinks ?

Yes, providing they don't enter their property..

Dave
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From Newsgroup: uk.telecom.broadband

On 29/03/2026 16:56, David Wade wrote:

On 29/03/2026 15:59, Mark Carver wrote:

On 28/03/2026 20:02, Tim+ wrote:

Richard Tobin <richard@cogsci.ed.ac.uk> wrote:

In article <10q6dub$3tugl$1@dont-email.me>,
Tweed-a <usenet.tweed@gmail.com> wrote:

Though i'd also be curious as to why you want to retain FTTC if
FTTP is available.

Good reasons include not wanting to have to run new cable into your
house, perhaps because you have an awkward downstairs neighbour across >>>> whose garden it would run.

ThatrCOs your neighbourrCOs problem surely? ;-)

Don't Openreach have 'wayleave rights', so they can just run the cable
regardless what the neighbour (or anyone else) thinks ?

Yes, providing they don't enter their property..

I still remember 57 years the then GPO running the overhead cable for
our neighbour's phone across the mouth of our drive. Next day a tipper
truck with a load of shingle for our drive turned up, saw the cable, and
had to go away again.

As a result my father had a pathological hated of the GPO (and
everything that spawned from it in subsequent years) for the rest of his
life.

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In article <10qbeom$1lte5$1@dont-email.me>,
Mark Carver <mark@invalid.com> wrote:

Don't Openreach have 'wayleave rights', so they can just run the cable >regardless what the neighbour (or anyone else) thinks ?

On the old checker (I'm not sure if there is one any more) one of
the comments that might appear was "wayleave issues".

-- Richard
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On Sun, 29 Mar 2026 15:59:33 +0100, Mark Carver wrote:

On 28/03/2026 20:02, Tim+ wrote:

Richard Tobin <richard@cogsci.ed.ac.uk> wrote:

In article <10q6dub$3tugl$1@dont-email.me>,
Tweed <usenet.tweed@gmail.com> wrote:

Though i'd also be curious as to why you want to retain FTTC if FTTP
is available.

Good reasons include not wanting to have to run new cable into your
house, perhaps because you have an awkward downstairs neighbour across
whose garden it would run.

ThatrCOs your neighbourrCOs problem surely? ;-)

Don't Openreach have 'wayleave rights', so they can just run the cable regardless what the neighbour (or anyone else) thinks ?

Our house was the first in our road, and the nearest cabinet was 1.4km
away. We lived with that for quite a while. Neighbours (all of them) were
on a much nearer cabinet in the opposite direction. Some of them were on a pole near the back of our house.

I enquired about a line from that pole, and was told they'd need wayleave because it crossed our neighbour's back garden.

It took me five months to get that wayleave. The house was rented, and no response from the landlord's office. In the end I wrote to him at homer,
and got an immediate response and a letter of assent.

The Openreach engineer took one look and said the line wasn't necessary,
and wouldn't budge. Complete waste of time.

I took to checking our area for FTTP every three weeks, and we were one of
the first in the road to get it. A very neat job, too.
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