• FTTP install.

    From newman@aa111@despammed.com to uk.telecom.broadband on Sun Jun 28 18:59:43 2026
    From Newsgroup: uk.telecom.broadband

    After asking a few questions here, I finally had FF installed on
    Thursday. Although the landline was UG cable, various garden changes
    meant that the only viable route was overhead from the original pole.
    The Openreach engineer was a 40 year service guy and made a really great
    job, both inside and out. Lots of iced lemonade kept him hydrated for
    the 4 hours plus time he took. The contacted speeds were below spec but
    he advised to change the Ethernet cable to Cat6 and that did the trick.
    Now on 150 Mbps for -u22 per month. To have continued with FTTC would
    have been -u41. Very happy.

    Regards.
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  • From snipeco.2@snipeco.2@gmail.com (Sn!pe) to uk.telecom.broadband on Mon Jun 29 00:32:21 2026
    From Newsgroup: uk.telecom.broadband

    newman <aa111@despammed.com> wrote:

    After asking a few questions here, I finally had FF installed on
    Thursday. Although the landline was UG cable, various garden changes
    meant that the only viable route was overhead from the original pole.
    The Openreach engineer was a 40 year service guy and made a really great
    job, both inside and out. Lots of iced lemonade kept him hydrated for
    the 4 hours plus time he took. The contacted speeds were below spec but
    he advised to change the Ethernet cable to Cat6 and that did the trick.
    Now on 150 Mbps for u22 per month. To have continued with FTTC would
    have been u41. Very happy.

    Regards.


    Openreach serves many ISPs, which one gives you that deal, newman?
    --
    ^-^. Sn!pe, bird-brain. All that was old is new again.

    My pet rock Gordon just is.
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  • From Andy Burns@usenet@andyburns.uk to uk.telecom.broadband on Mon Jun 29 08:06:37 2026
    From Newsgroup: uk.telecom.broadband

    Sn!pe wrote:

    newman wrote:

    After asking a few questions here, I finally had FF installed on
    Thursday.
    Now on 150 Mbps for -u22 per month. To have continued with FTTC would
    have been -u41. Very happy.

    Openreach serves many ISPs, which one gives you that deal, newman?
    I'm hoping to be able to order FTTP in the next few weeks, those look
    like plusnet prices. Visit this page but don't give it your postcode,
    simply scroll down and look at the "full fibre" prices.

    <https://www.uswitch.com/broadband/providers/plusnet>

    My current list price for 80/20Mb FTTC is -u38.37/m, after discounts I
    only pay -u26.74/m

    I could splurge and pay a very similar -u26.99/m which would get me
    500/75Mb, but that would increase to -u34.99/m over the course of a 2
    year contract, so I expect I'll go for a lower speed to allow for the
    annual price hikes, but get a noticeably higher upload speed, maybe the 300/50Mb offering?
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  • From newman@aa111@despammed.com to uk.telecom.broadband on Mon Jun 29 11:38:05 2026
    From Newsgroup: uk.telecom.broadband

    On 29/06/2026 00:32, Sn!pe wrote:
    newman <aa111@despammed.com> wrote:

    After asking a few questions here, I finally had FF installed on
    Thursday. Although the landline was UG cable, various garden changes
    meant that the only viable route was overhead from the original pole.
    The Openreach engineer was a 40 year service guy and made a really great
    job, both inside and out. Lots of iced lemonade kept him hydrated for
    the 4 hours plus time he took. The contacted speeds were below spec but
    he advised to change the Ethernet cable to Cat6 and that did the trick.
    Now on 150 Mbps for -u22 per month. To have continued with FTTC would
    have been -u41. Very happy.

    Regards.


    Openreach serves many ISPs, which one gives you that deal, newman?

    Vodafone via Moneysavingexpert referral link

    Regards

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  • From snipeco.2@snipeco.2@gmail.com (Sn!pe) to uk.telecom.broadband on Mon Jun 29 14:09:31 2026
    From Newsgroup: uk.telecom.broadband

    newman <aa111@despammed.com> wrote:

    On 29/06/2026 00:32, Sn!pe wrote:
    newman <aa111@despammed.com> wrote:

    After asking a few questions here, I finally had FF installed on
    Thursday. Although the landline was UG cable, various garden changes
    meant that the only viable route was overhead from the original pole.
    The Openreach engineer was a 40 year service guy and made a really great >> job, both inside and out. Lots of iced lemonade kept him hydrated for
    the 4 hours plus time he took. The contacted speeds were below spec but
    he advised to change the Ethernet cable to Cat6 and that did the trick.
    Now on 150 Mbps for u22 per month. To have continued with FTTC would
    have been u41. Very happy.

    Regards.


    Openreach serves many ISPs, which one gives you that deal, newman?

    Vodafone via Moneysavingexpert referral link

    Regards


    I've saved this post for when FTTP becomes available here
    (soon, I hope).

    Thank you, newman.
    --
    ^-^. Sn!pe, bird-brain. All that was old is new again.

    My pet rock Gordon just is.
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  • From snipeco.2@snipeco.2@gmail.com (Sn!pe) to uk.telecom.broadband on Mon Jun 29 14:18:53 2026
    From Newsgroup: uk.telecom.broadband

    Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> wrote:

    Sn!pe wrote:

    newman wrote:

    After asking a few questions here, I finally had FF installed on
    Thursday.
    Now on 150 Mbps for u22 per month. To have continued with FTTC would
    have been u41. Very happy.


    Openreach serves many ISPs, which one gives you that deal, newman?


    I'm hoping to be able to order FTTP in the next few weeks, those look
    like plusnet prices. Visit this page but don't give it your postcode,
    simply scroll down and look at the "full fibre" prices.

    <https://www.uswitch.com/broadband/providers/plusnet>

    My current list price for 80/20Mb FTTC is u38.37/m, after discounts I
    only pay u26.74/m

    I could splurge and pay a very similar u26.99/m which would get me
    500/75Mb, but that would increase to u34.99/m over the course of a 2
    year contract, so I expect I'll go for a lower speed to allow for the
    annual price hikes, but get a noticeably higher upload speed, maybe the 300/50Mb offering?


    Thanks, Andy, I'm in the same boat. I've been notified that Openreach
    are in this area but they don't as yet have a date for our road.

    I'll be following this thread closely in hope of finding others' reports
    of their recent installation experiences.
    --
    ^-^. Sn!pe, bird-brain. All that was old is new again.

    My pet rock Gordon just is.
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  • From J. P. Gilliver@G6JPG@255soft.uk to uk.telecom.broadband on Mon Jun 29 17:28:31 2026
    From Newsgroup: uk.telecom.broadband

    On 2026/6/29 8:6:37, Andy Burns wrote:
    []
    <https://www.uswitch.com/broadband/providers/plusnet>

    My current list price for 80/20Mb FTTC is -u38.37/m, after discounts I
    only pay -u26.74/m
    []
    That's been one of the things that has infuriated me about PN over the
    years - their "discounts". Although I _think_ my latest contract is
    improved in that respect, for many years I was nominally charged an
    absurdly high price, with mysterious "discounts" bringing it back to normal.
    --
    J. P. Gilliver. UMRA: 1960/<1985 MB++G()ALIS-Ch++(p)Ar++T+H+Sh0!:`)DNAf

    did you hear about the guy who was frozen to absolute zero?
    He was 0K ...
    - Jason in alt.windows7.general (and three other 'groups), 2018-5-1
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  • From Andy Burns@usenet@andyburns.uk to uk.telecom.broadband on Mon Jun 29 20:19:45 2026
    From Newsgroup: uk.telecom.broadband

    Sn!pe wrote:

    Thanks, Andy, I'm in the same boat. I've been notified that Openreach
    are in this area but they don't as yet have a date for our road.

    Is your road on poles or ducts?

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  • From snipeco.2@snipeco.2@gmail.com (Sn!pe) to uk.telecom.broadband on Mon Jun 29 23:07:33 2026
    From Newsgroup: uk.telecom.broadband

    Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> wrote:

    Sn!pe wrote:

    Thanks, Andy, I'm in the same boat. I've been notified that Openreach
    are in this area but they don't as yet have a date for our road.


    Is your road on poles or ducts?


    We're in a small close with one pole to serve all premises.

    Our house has a disused Virgin cable duct; I wonder if Openreach
    might be able to use that for the FTTP.
    --
    ^-^. Sn!pe, bird-brain. All that was old is new again.

    My pet rock Gordon just is.
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  • From Andy Burns@usenet@andyburns.uk to uk.telecom.broadband on Tue Jun 30 10:45:16 2026
    From Newsgroup: uk.telecom.broadband

    Sn!pe wrote:

    We're in a small close with one pole to serve all premises.
    After the openreach availability site began saying "fibre during the
    next year", I kept an eye open when I was walking around the village, gradually spray-paint started appearing between the poles and manholes,
    then I checked

    <https://roadworks.org>

    You can look a fortnight ahead by postcode, a fleet of subcontractor
    vans have been here for about a month, first digging the base of each
    pole and tying a bit of blue rope to each one, then pulling fibres in
    and leaving it coiled-up near the top, finally a cherry-picker installed
    the connector boxes at the top. I'm actually on a street with no
    poles, but my old schoolmate who works for BT says we'll probably not
    see roadworks booked for that.

    I've started to poke postcodes for various businesses into the BT
    checker and have found the first couple of poles are live as far as it
    is are concerned, but the ISPs own checkers haven't yet caught-up ...


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  • From Davey@davey@example.invalid to uk.telecom.broadband on Tue Jun 30 11:17:53 2026
    From Newsgroup: uk.telecom.broadband

    On Mon, 29 Jun 2026 23:07:33 +0100
    snipeco.2@gmail.com (Sn!pe) wrote:

    Our house has a disused Virgin cable duct;

    Now that's a sentence to like!
    --
    Davey.

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  • From Bob Latham@bob@sick-of-spam.invalid to uk.telecom.broadband on Wed Jul 8 09:40:37 2026
    From Newsgroup: uk.telecom.broadband

    In article <nahhhaF8ssqU2@mid.individual.net>,
    Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> wrote:

    You can look a fortnight ahead by postcode, a fleet of
    subcontractor vans have been here for about a month, first digging
    the base of each pole and tying a bit of blue rope to each one,
    then pulling fibres in and leaving it coiled-up near the top,
    finally a cherry-picker installed the connector boxes at the top.
    I'm actually on a street with no poles, but my old schoolmate who
    works for BT says we'll probably not see roadworks booked for that.

    Could you clarify please?

    You're on a street with no poles, so am I. Are you saying that poles
    will be installed?

    Bob.

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  • From Andy Burns@usenet@andyburns.uk to uk.telecom.broadband on Wed Jul 8 09:48:14 2026
    From Newsgroup: uk.telecom.broadband

    Bob Latham wrote:

    Andy Burns wrote:

    I'm actually on a street with no poles, but my old schoolmate who
    works for BT says we'll probably not see roadworks booked for that.

    Could you clarify please?

    You're on a street with no poles, so am I. Are you saying that poles
    will be installed?
    Generally no, they try to fit the fibre through existing street ducts,
    but exceptionally they do install poles. Locally, I've seen a couple of
    poles that got replaced and a hundred or so yards of pavement that got
    dug between manholes.

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  • From snipeco.2@snipeco.2@gmail.com (Sn!pe) to uk.telecom.broadband on Wed Sep 2 18:59:14 2026
    From Newsgroup: uk.telecom.broadband

    Sn!pe <snipeco.2@gmail.com> wrote:

    newman <aa111@despammed.com> wrote:

    On 29/06/2026 00:32, Sn!pe wrote:
    newman <aa111@despammed.com> wrote:

    After asking a few questions here, I finally had FF installed on
    Thursday. Although the landline was UG cable, various garden changes
    meant that the only viable route was overhead from the original pole.
    The Openreach engineer was a 40 year service guy and made a really great >> job, both inside and out. Lots of iced lemonade kept him hydrated for
    the 4 hours plus time he took. The contacted speeds were below spec but >> he advised to change the Ethernet cable to Cat6 and that did the trick. >> Now on 150 Mbps for u22 per month. To have continued with FTTC would
    have been u41. Very happy.

    Regards.


    Openreach serves many ISPs, which one gives you that deal, newman?

    Vodafone via Moneysavingexpert referral link

    Regards


    I've saved this post for when FTTP becomes available here
    (soon, I hope).

    Thank you, newman.


    BT have begun pulling fibre in our road, hooray!

    I'm wondering whether to stick with Zen (their FTTC has been very good)
    or seek a deal from another supplier. Does anybody here have any
    thoughts on this?
    --
    Sn!pe, birdbrain. My pet rock Gordon just is.
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  • From Graham J@nobody@nowhere.co.uk to uk.telecom.broadband on Wed Sep 2 19:51:02 2026
    From Newsgroup: uk.telecom.broadband

    Sn!pe wrote:

    [snip]

    BT have begun pulling fibre in our road, hooray!

    I'm wondering whether to stick with Zen (their FTTC has been very good)
    or seek a deal from another supplier. Does anybody here have any
    thoughts on this?

    You will have to change to FTTP eventually. Have you asked Zen
    whether/when they can install for you?

    I see no reason for you to move away from Zen.
    --
    Graham J
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  • From Andy Burns@usenet@andyburns.uk to uk.telecom.broadband on Wed Sep 2 20:54:53 2026
    From Newsgroup: uk.telecom.broadband

    Sn!pe wrote:

    BT have begun pulling fibre in our road, hooray!

    They were pulling blue rope in our road today.

    I'm wondering whether to stick with Zen (their FTTC has been very good)
    or seek a deal from another supplier. Does anybody here have any
    thoughts on this?

    I'm planning to stay with Plusnet, but I think they're past the days
    when I'd recommend migrating to them.

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  • From J. P. Gilliver@G6JPG@255soft.uk to uk.telecom.broadband on Wed Sep 2 22:42:36 2026
    From Newsgroup: uk.telecom.broadband

    On 2026/9/2 20:54:53, Andy Burns wrote:
    []
    I'm planning to stay with Plusnet, but I think they're past the days
    when I'd recommend migrating to them.

    They're still running the TV ad.s with the fluffy or frilly plus signs;
    one wonders who they're aimed at. Certainly only new customers, I
    presume; I've not heard from an existing customer who is delighted for a
    long time. (I've been content with the actual connection, but presumably
    that's just resold Openreach in my area anyway; I've become very
    dissatisfied with the customer service - both financial and technical.)
    --
    J. P. Gilliver. UMRA: 1960/<1985 MB++G()ALIS-Ch++(p)Ar++T+H+Sh0!:`)DNAf

    Europeans see luxury as a badge of civilisation. Whereas we [British]
    have shabbiness as a badge of civilisation.
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  • From snipeco.2@snipeco.2@gmail.com (Sn!pe) to uk.telecom.broadband on Thu Sep 3 02:25:16 2026
    From Newsgroup: uk.telecom.broadband

    Graham J <nobody@nowhere.co.uk> wrote:

    Sn!pe wrote:

    [snip]

    BT have begun pulling fibre in our road, hooray!

    I'm wondering whether to stick with Zen (their FTTC has been very good)
    or seek a deal from another supplier. Does anybody here have any
    thoughts on this?

    You will have to change to FTTP eventually. Have you asked Zen
    whether/when they can install for you?

    I see no reason for you to move away from Zen.


    I intend to take FTTP as soon as it's available. I've already told Zen
    that I'm interested, I'm pretty sure that they can do the biz for me.
    I just thought I should check that I'm not missing an opportunity here.
    --
    Sn!pe, birdbrain. My pet rock Gordon just is.
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  • From snipeco.2@snipeco.2@gmail.com (Sn!pe) to uk.telecom.broadband on Thu Sep 3 02:25:17 2026
    From Newsgroup: uk.telecom.broadband

    Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> wrote:

    Sn!pe wrote:

    BT have begun pulling fibre in our road, hooray!

    They were pulling blue rope in our road today.

    I'm wondering whether to stick with Zen (their FTTC has been very good)
    or seek a deal from another supplier. Does anybody here have any
    thoughts on this?

    I'm planning to stay with Plusnet, but I think they're past the days
    when I'd recommend migrating to them.

    I was with Plusnet during its good times before BT borged it but I got
    grumpy with their Usenet service and decided it was time for a change.
    As it happens, Zen offers no Usenet service so I rather cut off my nose
    to spite my own face, but I'm still pleased to be with them.
    --
    Sn!pe, birdbrain. My pet rock Gordon just is.
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  • From Woody@harrogate3@ntlworld.com to uk.telecom.broadband on Thu Sep 3 04:28:45 2026
    From Newsgroup: uk.telecom.broadband

    On Wed 02/09/2026 18:59, Sn!pe wrote:
    Sn!pe <snipeco.2@gmail.com> wrote:

    newman <aa111@despammed.com> wrote:

    On 29/06/2026 00:32, Sn!pe wrote:
    newman <aa111@despammed.com> wrote:

    After asking a few questions here, I finally had FF installed on
    Thursday. Although the landline was UG cable, various garden changes >>>>> meant that the only viable route was overhead from the original pole. >>>>> The Openreach engineer was a 40 year service guy and made a really great >>>>> job, both inside and out. Lots of iced lemonade kept him hydrated for >>>>> the 4 hours plus time he took. The contacted speeds were below spec but >>>>> he advised to change the Ethernet cable to Cat6 and that did the trick. >>>>> Now on 150 Mbps for -u22 per month. To have continued with FTTC would >>>>> have been -u41. Very happy.

    Regards.


    Openreach serves many ISPs, which one gives you that deal, newman?

    Vodafone via Moneysavingexpert referral link

    Regards


    I've saved this post for when FTTP becomes available here
    (soon, I hope).

    Thank you, newman.


    BT have begun pulling fibre in our road, hooray!

    I'm wondering whether to stick with Zen (their FTTC has been very good)
    or seek a deal from another supplier. Does anybody here have any
    thoughts on this?


    1 Are you sure it is BT pulling fibre for BT, or Kelly's or similar
    pulling general fibre for shared users a la CityFibre?

    2 IDNet seem to be earning themselves a pretty good reputation with fibre.

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  • From Tweed@usenet.tweed@gmail.com to uk.telecom.broadband on Thu Sep 3 06:03:24 2026
    From Newsgroup: uk.telecom.broadband

    Sn!pe <snipeco.2@gmail.com> wrote:
    Graham J <nobody@nowhere.co.uk> wrote:

    Sn!pe wrote:

    [snip]

    BT have begun pulling fibre in our road, hooray!

    I'm wondering whether to stick with Zen (their FTTC has been very good)
    or seek a deal from another supplier. Does anybody here have any
    thoughts on this?

    You will have to change to FTTP eventually. Have you asked Zen
    whether/when they can install for you?

    I see no reason for you to move away from Zen.


    I intend to take FTTP as soon as it's available. I've already told Zen
    that I'm interested, I'm pretty sure that they can do the biz for me.
    I just thought I should check that I'm not missing an opportunity here.


    I think Zen tick all the boxes here, but hererCOs my list of requirements for an ISP:
    No in contract price rises.
    No CGNAT
    Static IPv4 address
    Supports IPv6
    UK based tech support
    Offers connection via wholesale Altnets where available. (Eg you can choose CityFibre or OpenReach if both in your street)

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  • From Andy Burns@usenet@andyburns.uk to uk.telecom.broadband on Thu Sep 3 08:49:00 2026
    From Newsgroup: uk.telecom.broadband

    Tweed wrote:

    hererCOs my list of requirements for an ISP:
    No in contract price rises.
    No CGNAT
    Static IPv4 address
    Supports IPv6
    UK based tech support

    All sensible points

    Offers connection via wholesale Altnets where available. (Eg you can choose CityFibre or OpenReach if both in your street)

    I'm curious what difference you think that'll make to you, provided at
    least one FTTP network is in your street?
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  • From Tweed@usenet.tweed@gmail.com to uk.telecom.broadband on Thu Sep 3 08:08:53 2026
    From Newsgroup: uk.telecom.broadband

    Tweed <usenet.tweed@gmail.com> wrote:
    Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> wrote:
    Tweed wrote:

    hererCOs my list of requirements for an ISP:
    No in contract price rises.
    No CGNAT
    Static IPv4 address
    Supports IPv6
    UK based tech support

    All sensible points

    Offers connection via wholesale Altnets where available. (Eg you can choose >>> CityFibre or OpenReach if both in your street)

    I'm curious what difference you think that'll make to you, provided at
    least one FTTP network is in your street?


    CityFibre supplied service is significantly cheaper than via OpenReach, at least via IDNet. CF also offer symmetrical speeds, which OR donrCOt seem to have progressed beyond trials in certain select areas. If, for example, you use a BT owned ISP you canrCOt get a CF based supply.

    To expand on my point above, the choice between OR and Altnet fibre would
    also depend on which Altnet. Quite a number of Altnets are small in scale
    and risk going under. Mind you, most in that category donrCOt offer wholesale connections via an independent ISP.

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  • From Andy Burns@usenet@andyburns.uk to uk.telecom.broadband on Thu Sep 3 09:19:29 2026
    From Newsgroup: uk.telecom.broadband

    Tweed wrote:

    CityFibre supplied service is significantly cheaper than via OpenReach, at least via IDNet.

    Didn't realise that, presumed BT/OR would have economy of scale, and
    universal supply obligation doesn't seem to apply as per copper?

    CF also offer symmetrical speeds, which OR donrCOt seem to
    have progressed beyond trials in certain select areas.

    If I were them, I'd halt any GPON roll-out ASAP, but It'll only take a
    single kit refresh to roll-out XGSPON, no more work in the ground.
    If, for example, you
    use a BT owned ISP you canrCOt get a CF based supply.

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  • From Andy Burns@usenet@andyburns.uk to uk.telecom.broadband on Thu Sep 3 09:24:21 2026
    From Newsgroup: uk.telecom.broadband

    Tweed wrote:

    To expand on my point above, the choice between OR and Altnet fibre would also depend on which Altnet. Quite a number of Altnets are small in scale
    and risk going under. Mind you, most in that category donrCOt offer wholesale connections via an independent ISP.

    I'd never use an altnet where there's no separation between the physical fibres and the ISP provision, in this area that includes Virgin, am I
    right that in other areas you can use Virgin fibres to get service from
    other ISPs?

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  • From Trolleybus@ken@birchanger.com to uk.telecom.broadband on Thu Sep 3 09:27:43 2026
    From Newsgroup: uk.telecom.broadband

    On Wed, 2 Sep 2026 18:59:14 +0100, snipeco.2@gmail.com (Sn!pe) wrote:

    Sn!pe <snipeco.2@gmail.com> wrote:

    newman <aa111@despammed.com> wrote:

    On 29/06/2026 00:32, Sn!pe wrote:
    newman <aa111@despammed.com> wrote:

    After asking a few questions here, I finally had FF installed on
    Thursday. Although the landline was UG cable, various garden changes
    meant that the only viable route was overhead from the original pole. >> > >> The Openreach engineer was a 40 year service guy and made a really great
    job, both inside and out. Lots of iced lemonade kept him hydrated for >> > >> the 4 hours plus time he took. The contacted speeds were below spec but >> > >> he advised to change the Ethernet cable to Cat6 and that did the trick. >> > >> Now on 150 Mbps for u22 per month. To have continued with FTTC would
    have been u41. Very happy.

    Regards.


    Openreach serves many ISPs, which one gives you that deal, newman?

    Vodafone via Moneysavingexpert referral link

    Regards


    I've saved this post for when FTTP becomes available here
    (soon, I hope).

    Thank you, newman.


    BT have begun pulling fibre in our road, hooray!

    I'm wondering whether to stick with Zen (their FTTC has been very good)
    or seek a deal from another supplier. Does anybody here have any
    thoughts on this?

    I stayed with Zen and was pleasantly surprised to find that I kept my
    fixed IP address.
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  • From Tweed@usenet.tweed@gmail.com to uk.telecom.broadband on Thu Sep 3 08:38:43 2026
    From Newsgroup: uk.telecom.broadband

    Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> wrote:
    Tweed wrote:

    To expand on my point above, the choice between OR and Altnet fibre would
    also depend on which Altnet. Quite a number of Altnets are small in scale
    and risk going under. Mind you, most in that category donrCOt offer wholesale
    connections via an independent ISP.

    I'd never use an altnet where there's no separation between the physical fibres and the ISP provision, in this area that includes Virgin, am I
    right that in other areas you can use Virgin fibres to get service from other ISPs?



    Yes and no :)
    Where Virgin do offer a wholesale offering it appears that the choice of
    ISPs is limited to members of the same owning group, eg GiffGaff.

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  • From Tweed@usenet.tweed@gmail.com to uk.telecom.broadband on Thu Sep 3 07:58:28 2026
    From Newsgroup: uk.telecom.broadband

    Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> wrote:
    Tweed wrote:

    hererCOs my list of requirements for an ISP:
    No in contract price rises.
    No CGNAT
    Static IPv4 address
    Supports IPv6
    UK based tech support

    All sensible points

    Offers connection via wholesale Altnets where available. (Eg you can choose >> CityFibre or OpenReach if both in your street)

    I'm curious what difference you think that'll make to you, provided at
    least one FTTP network is in your street?


    CityFibre supplied service is significantly cheaper than via OpenReach, at least via IDNet. CF also offer symmetrical speeds, which OR donrCOt seem to have progressed beyond trials in certain select areas. If, for example, you
    use a BT owned ISP you canrCOt get a CF based supply.

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  • From Tweed@usenet.tweed@gmail.com to uk.telecom.broadband on Thu Sep 3 08:35:00 2026
    From Newsgroup: uk.telecom.broadband

    Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> wrote:
    Tweed wrote:

    CityFibre supplied service is significantly cheaper than via OpenReach, at >> least via IDNet.

    Didn't realise that, presumed BT/OR would have economy of scale, and universal supply obligation doesn't seem to apply as per copper?

    CF also offer symmetrical speeds, which OR donrCOt seem to
    have progressed beyond trials in certain select areas.

    If I were them, I'd halt any GPON roll-out ASAP, but It'll only take a single kit refresh to roll-out XGSPON, no more work in the ground.
    If, for example, you
    use a BT owned ISP you canrCOt get a CF based supply.



    I understand, but am willing to be corrected, that OR are still subject to price controls to stop them trying to put Altnets out of business. Some
    ISPs, Sky, Vodafone etc, pocket the savings when using CF, but the smaller
    ones tend to pass it on.

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  • From Andy Burns@usenet@andyburns.uk to uk.telecom.broadband on Thu Sep 3 10:12:36 2026
    From Newsgroup: uk.telecom.broadband

    Tweed wrote:

    I understand, but am willing to be corrected, that OR are still subject to price controls to stop them trying to put Altnets out of business.

    I think you're right, OFCOM recently rejected a discount scheme that
    offered discounts/kickbacks to ISPs for migrating to provision over
    openreach.
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  • From Graham J@nobody@nowhere.co.uk to uk.telecom.broadband on Thu Sep 3 10:47:43 2026
    From Newsgroup: uk.telecom.broadband

    Trolleybus wrote:

    [snip]


    I stayed with Zen and was pleasantly surprised to find that I kept my
    fixed IP address.

    I would be horrified if this didn't happen!

    The only thing that changes is the pathway into their authentication
    server. Once the FTTC and FTTP traffic is carried over Ethernet it's
    the same route thereafter, so the authentication server sees the same
    request and gives out the same IP.
    --
    Graham J
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  • From Jeff Layman@Jeff@invalid.invalid to uk.telecom.broadband on Thu Sep 3 10:54:35 2026
    From Newsgroup: uk.telecom.broadband

    On 03/09/2026 02:25, Sn!pe wrote:
    Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> wrote:

    Sn!pe wrote:

    BT have begun pulling fibre in our road, hooray!

    They were pulling blue rope in our road today.

    I'm wondering whether to stick with Zen (their FTTC has been very good)
    or seek a deal from another supplier. Does anybody here have any
    thoughts on this?

    I'm planning to stay with Plusnet, but I think they're past the days
    when I'd recommend migrating to them.

    I was with Plusnet during its good times before BT borged it but I got
    grumpy with their Usenet service and decided it was time for a change.
    As it happens, Zen offers no Usenet service so I rather cut off my nose
    to spite my own face, but I'm still pleased to be with them.

    Out of interest, when did you start using Zen? I've been with them over
    10 years and still use several of the 10 @abcde.myzen.co.uk addresses
    they offered at the time. They now supply my landline too (I dropped BT earlier this year when I went to digital voice), but we only have FTTC
    here - there's no sign of FTTP.
    --
    Jeff
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  • From snipeco.2@snipeco.2@gmail.com (Sn!pe) to uk.telecom.broadband on Thu Sep 3 11:49:24 2026
    From Newsgroup: uk.telecom.broadband

    Jeff Layman <Jeff@invalid.invalid> wrote:

    Out of interest, when did you start using Zen? I've been with them over
    10 years and still use several of the 10 @abcde.myzen.co.uk addresses
    they offered at the time. They now supply my landline too (I dropped BT earlier this year when I went to digital voice), but we only have FTTC
    here - there's no sign of FTTP.


    I've been with Zen for Unlimited Fibre 2 and landline phone since March
    2016, Fire to Fibre Regrade in March 2021 (I can't remember why) and Residential Copper to Fibre Regrade October 2025 (compulsory, pre FTTP).
    We dropped landline service at that time as we didn't use it outbound
    and it was getting nuisance calls.

    I think I was offered Zen email service but I didn't take it up because
    it's such a hassle migrating addresses if you change ISP. I had to
    abandon Demon and Freeserve email accounts when I switched ISPs
    so now I make do with half a dozen Gmail a/cs and an Apple iCloud one.

    The BT boys are up my pole as I write, very exciting!
    --
    Sn!pe, birdbrain. My pet rock Gordon just is.
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  • From snipeco.2@snipeco.2@gmail.com (Sn!pe) to uk.telecom.broadband on Thu Sep 3 11:55:48 2026
    From Newsgroup: uk.telecom.broadband

    Woody <harrogate3@ntlworld.com> wrote:

    BT have begun pulling fibre in our road, hooray!

    I'm wondering whether to stick with Zen (their FTTC has been very good)
    or seek a deal from another supplier. Does anybody here have any
    thoughts on this?


    1 Are you sure it is BT pulling fibre for BT, or Kelly's or similar
    pulling general fibre for shared users a la CityFibre?

    2 IDNet seem to be earning themselves a pretty good reputation with fibre.


    My wife spoke to one of the linemen yesterday, he told her it was BT
    and that we should expect a letter in about a month. I guess that will
    be to offer BT Internet. Meanwhile I'll keep prodding Zen rather than
    waiting for them to contact me.
    --
    Sn!pe, birdbrain. My pet rock Gordon just is.
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  • From Tweed@usenet.tweed@gmail.com to uk.telecom.broadband on Thu Sep 3 11:11:05 2026
    From Newsgroup: uk.telecom.broadband

    Sn!pe <snipeco.2@gmail.com> wrote:
    Jeff Layman <Jeff@invalid.invalid> wrote:

    Out of interest, when did you start using Zen? I've been with them over
    10 years and still use several of the 10 @abcde.myzen.co.uk addresses
    they offered at the time. They now supply my landline too (I dropped BT
    earlier this year when I went to digital voice), but we only have FTTC
    here - there's no sign of FTTP.


    I've been with Zen for Unlimited Fibre 2 and landline phone since March
    2016, Fire to Fibre Regrade in March 2021 (I can't remember why) and Residential Copper to Fibre Regrade October 2025 (compulsory, pre FTTP).
    We dropped landline service at that time as we didn't use it outbound
    and it was getting nuisance calls.

    I think I was offered Zen email service but I didn't take it up because
    it's such a hassle migrating addresses if you change ISP. I had to
    abandon Demon and Freeserve email accounts when I switched ISPs
    so now I make do with half a dozen Gmail a/cs and an Apple iCloud one.

    The BT boys are up my pole as I write, very exciting!


    Just a note to those not quite getting round to fibre but have it
    available. Somewhere else I deal with has OpenReach fibre available via overhead and a pole. The installation technician said there were far fewer fibre termination points in the box at the top of the pole than there were existing PSTN lines. So I asked what would happen when all those ports were used up. He said yourCOd be waiting a long time for more plant to be put in. Not saying itrCOs like this everywhere, but here at least there wasnrCOt provision for every property served by that pole.

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  • From Andy Burns@usenet@andyburns.uk to uk.telecom.broadband on Thu Sep 3 12:16:01 2026
    From Newsgroup: uk.telecom.broadband

    Sn!pe wrote:

    he told her it was BT
    and that we should expect a letter in about a month. I guess that will
    be to offer BT Internet. Meanwhile I'll keep prodding Zen rather than waiting for them to contact me.

    Surely they'll keep saying "computer says no" until after BT/OR actually
    let Zen know that FTTP is able to be provided?
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  • From Andy Burns@usenet@andyburns.uk to uk.telecom.broadband on Thu Sep 3 12:18:36 2026
    From Newsgroup: uk.telecom.broadband

    Graham J wrote:

    Trolleybus wrote:

    I stayed with Zen and was pleasantly surprised to find that I kept my
    fixed IP address.

    I would be horrified if this didn't happen!
    I will be annoyed if I don't keep my /29 when FTTP lands here.
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  • From Theo@theom+news@chiark.greenend.org.uk to uk.telecom.broadband on Thu Sep 3 12:20:29 2026
    From Newsgroup: uk.telecom.broadband

    Tweed <usenet.tweed@gmail.com> wrote:
    Just a note to those not quite getting round to fibre but have it
    available. Somewhere else I deal with has OpenReach fibre available via overhead and a pole. The installation technician said there were far fewer fibre termination points in the box at the top of the pole than there were existing PSTN lines. So I asked what would happen when all those ports were used up. He said yourCOd be waiting a long time for more plant to be put in. Not saying itrCOs like this everywhere, but here at least there wasnrCOt provision for every property served by that pole.

    Openreach have been forced to FTTP-provision new build sites or
    redevelopments with 3, then later 2, homes. It sounds like they run the
    fibre and put up a single termination box. Later on they will convert the
    rest of the road and will need to install more plant, but perhaps they don't
    do that for the first install so as to keep the costs and more importantly
    lead time low for the new build customer.

    Theo
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  • From Tweed@usenet.tweed@gmail.com to uk.telecom.broadband on Thu Sep 3 11:24:50 2026
    From Newsgroup: uk.telecom.broadband

    Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> wrote:
    Sn!pe wrote:

    he told her it was BT
    and that we should expect a letter in about a month. I guess that will
    be to offer BT Internet. Meanwhile I'll keep prodding Zen rather than
    waiting for them to contact me.

    Surely they'll keep saying "computer says no" until after BT/OR actually
    let Zen know that FTTP is able to be provided?


    Just keep checking here

    https://www.openreach.com/fibre-checker


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  • From Andy Burns@usenet@andyburns.uk to uk.telecom.broadband on Thu Sep 3 12:30:52 2026
    From Newsgroup: uk.telecom.broadband

    Tweed wrote:

    Just keep checking here

    https://www.openreach.com/fibre-checker

    Most parts of the village that are overhead fed have been saying
    "available to order" for a couple of weeks, I haven't noticed any parts
    that are duct fed which are ready yet, but there's still plenty of BT
    activity ...

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  • From Andy Burns@usenet@andyburns.uk to uk.telecom.broadband on Thu Sep 3 12:34:53 2026
    From Newsgroup: uk.telecom.broadband

    Theo wrote:

    Openreach have been forced to FTTP-provision new build sites or redevelopments with 3, then later 2, homes. It sounds like they run the fibre and put up a single termination box. Later on they will convert the rest of the road and will need to install more plant, but perhaps they don't do that for the first install so as to keep the costs and more importantly lead time low for the new build customer.

    There is a development of 40 new houses off the bottom of this road, it
    will be annoying if we (having put up with umpteen builders lorries per
    day) have to wait until after they get their shiny new fibre on
    moving-in day!
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  • From J. P. Gilliver@G6JPG@255soft.uk to uk.telecom.broadband on Thu Sep 3 14:07:18 2026
    From Newsgroup: uk.telecom.broadband

    On 2026/9/3 9:38:43, Tweed wrote:
    Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> wrote:
    I'd never use an altnet where there's no separation between the
    physical
    fibres and the ISP provision, in this area that includes Virgin, am I
    right that in other areas you can use Virgin fibres to get service from
    other ISPs?



    Yes and no :)
    Where Virgin do offer a wholesale offering it appears that the choice of
    ISPs is limited to members of the same owning group, eg GiffGaff.

    Do GiffGaff now offer fixed ICP? I thought they were mobile only ("goody
    bags" and similar pretending-to-be-for-children).
    --
    J. P. Gilliver. UMRA: 1960/<1985 MB++G()ALIS-Ch++(p)Ar++T+H+Sh0!:`)DNAf

    If it's nice to look at and it makes you feel good, it's art.
    - Grayson Perry, interviewed in Radio Times 12-18 October 2013
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  • From Geoff Clare@geoff@clare.See-My-Signature.invalid to uk.telecom.broadband on Thu Sep 3 14:02:28 2026
    From Newsgroup: uk.telecom.broadband

    Andy Burns wrote:

    Graham J wrote:

    Trolleybus wrote:

    I stayed with Zen and was pleasantly surprised to find that I kept my
    fixed IP address.

    I would be horrified if this didn't happen!

    I will be annoyed if I don't keep my /29 when FTTP lands here.

    I had the same /29 for 24 years with Zen, preserved across various
    technology changes (including to FTTP a couple of years ago) and a
    house move. Then last month they changed it as part of a
    reorganisation of their IPv4 address space. (My IPv6 allocation
    didn't change.)

    Initially I was horrified when I received the notice, but in the end
    the change-over was not too difficult. The biggest annoyance was that
    I couldn't set up rDNS on the new addresses until after the address
    change had happened. (Their rDNS web page will only accept a domain
    name whose forward DNS matches.) I reduced the TTL on forward DNS to
    30 mins ahead of time, but the TTL on their rDNS records is fixed at
    24 hours, so I had to make sure I didn't try to send any outgoing
    mail until the change had propagated.
    --
    Geoff Clare <netnews@gclare.org.uk>
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  • From Richmond@dnomhcir@gmx.com to uk.telecom.broadband on Thu Sep 3 14:11:40 2026
    From Newsgroup: uk.telecom.broadband

    snipeco.2@gmail.com (Sn!pe) writes:

    newman <aa111@despammed.com> wrote:

    On 29/06/2026 00:32, Sn!pe wrote:
    newman <aa111@despammed.com> wrote:

    After asking a few questions here, I finally had FF installed on
    Thursday. Although the landline was UG cable, various garden
    changes meant that the only viable route was overhead from the
    original pole. The Openreach engineer was a 40 year service guy
    and made a really great job, both inside and out. Lots of iced
    lemonade kept him hydrated for the 4 hours plus time he took. The
    contacted speeds were below spec but he advised to change the
    Ethernet cable to Cat6 and that did the trick. Now on 150 Mbps
    for -u22 per month. To have continued with FTTC would have been
    -u41. Very happy.

    Regards.


    Openreach serves many ISPs, which one gives you that deal, newman?

    Vodafone via Moneysavingexpert referral link

    Regards


    I've saved this post for when FTTP becomes available here (soon, I
    hope).

    Thank you, newman.

    I'd check their customer service ratings too. You may not find out about
    that until something goes wrong.
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  • From Tweed@usenet.tweed@gmail.com to uk.telecom.broadband on Thu Sep 3 13:21:29 2026
    From Newsgroup: uk.telecom.broadband

    J. P. Gilliver <G6JPG@255soft.uk> wrote:
    On 2026/9/3 9:38:43, Tweed wrote:
    Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> wrote:
    I'd never use an altnet where there's no separation between the
    physical
    fibres and the ISP provision, in this area that includes Virgin, am I
    right that in other areas you can use Virgin fibres to get service from >>> other ISPs?



    Yes and no :)
    Where Virgin do offer a wholesale offering it appears that the choice of
    ISPs is limited to members of the same owning group, eg GiffGaff.

    Do GiffGaff now offer fixed ICP? I thought they were mobile only ("goody bags" and similar pretending-to-be-for-children).

    https://www.giffgaff.com/broadband

    Only in very limited areas though.



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  • From J. P. Gilliver@G6JPG@255soft.uk to uk.telecom.broadband on Thu Sep 3 14:25:18 2026
    From Newsgroup: uk.telecom.broadband

    On 2026/9/3 7:3:24, Tweed wrote:
    []
    I think Zen tick all the boxes here, but hererCOs my list of requirements for an ISP:
    No in contract price rises.

    (What sort of contract length do Zen do? If no in-contract rises, do
    their renewal offers generally go up in price?)

    No CGNAT
    Static IPv4 address
    Supports IPv6

    Sound good, though not sure what difference those would make to me.

    UK based tech support

    UK-based is good, but at least as important is native English speaker
    IMO. Or at least a good _grasp_ of the language. I'm not racist - some
    of the best technical support I've had was when sorting out a friend's
    problem - actually on TalkTalk - where the person I was speaking to
    definitely had an non-British accent, and may well have _been_ in India
    - but definitely knew his onions, and also was able to converse with me.
    Too often recently - not just ISP/ICP, but e. g. banking, pension,
    utilities - I've found myself speaking to someone who it was clear I
    couldn't really have much of a conversation with, whether they were
    actually _located_ in the UK or not.

    Offers connection via wholesale Altnets where available. (Eg you can choose CityFibre or OpenReach if both in your street)

    Again, sounds good, though I suspect I'll only have a choice of one
    (almost certainly Openreach) when fibre hits here.
    --
    J. P. Gilliver. UMRA: 1960/<1985 MB++G()ALIS-Ch++(p)Ar++T+H+Sh0!:`)DNAf

    If it's nice to look at and it makes you feel good, it's art.
    - Grayson Perry, interviewed in Radio Times 12-18 October 2013
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  • From J. P. Gilliver@G6JPG@255soft.uk to uk.telecom.broadband on Thu Sep 3 14:31:26 2026
    From Newsgroup: uk.telecom.broadband

    On 2026/9/3 11:49:24, Sn!pe wrote:
    []
    I think I was offered Zen email service but I didn't take it up because
    it's such a hassle migrating addresses if you change ISP. I had to
    abandon Demon and Freeserve email accounts when I switched ISPs
    so now I make do with half a dozen Gmail a/cs and an Apple iCloud one.

    I was a demon user too; eventually gave it up when whoever took over the running of demon addresses started playing silly buggers (messing us
    around). [Demon/whoever/Vodafone eventually turned those off anyway,
    though after I'd left.] I registered my own domain, which gives me
    infinite <anything>@domain addresses; changing is indeed a hassle, but I
    only had to do it once. (I've changed hosting _provider_ once, but
    having made sure the domain was registered to me not the hosting
    company, that didn't mean any changing of addresses.)>
    The BT boys are up my pole as I write, very exciting!

    Must refrain from obvious response(s) ... :-)
    --
    J. P. Gilliver. UMRA: 1960/<1985 MB++G()ALIS-Ch++(p)Ar++T+H+Sh0!:`)DNAf

    If it's nice to look at and it makes you feel good, it's art.
    - Grayson Perry, interviewed in Radio Times 12-18 October 2013
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  • From J. P. Gilliver@G6JPG@255soft.uk to uk.telecom.broadband on Thu Sep 3 14:33:21 2026
    From Newsgroup: uk.telecom.broadband

    On 2026/9/3 12:16:1, Andy Burns wrote:
    Sn!pe wrote:

    he told her it was BT
    and that we should expect a letter in about a month. I guess that will
    be to offer BT Internet. Meanwhile I'll keep prodding Zen rather than
    waiting for them to contact me.

    Surely they'll keep saying "computer says no" until after BT/OR actually
    let Zen know that FTTP is able to be provided?

    Is that just you being auto-cynical, or ... I'd always understood from
    what I read on here that Zen were a bit less automated than that.
    (Though perhaps not as robust as Andrews and Arnold allegedly are, at considerable cost to the user.)
    --
    J. P. Gilliver. UMRA: 1960/<1985 MB++G()ALIS-Ch++(p)Ar++T+H+Sh0!:`)DNAf

    If it's nice to look at and it makes you feel good, it's art.
    - Grayson Perry, interviewed in Radio Times 12-18 October 2013
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  • From Jeff Layman@Jeff@invalid.invalid to uk.telecom.broadband on Thu Sep 3 14:35:06 2026
    From Newsgroup: uk.telecom.broadband

    On 03/09/2026 12:34, Andy Burns wrote:
    Theo wrote:

    Openreach have been forced to FTTP-provision new build sites or
    redevelopments with 3, then later 2, homes. It sounds like they run the
    fibre and put up a single termination box. Later on they will convert the >> rest of the road and will need to install more plant, but perhaps they don't >> do that for the first install so as to keep the costs and more importantly >> lead time low for the new build customer.

    There is a development of 40 new houses off the bottom of this road, it
    will be annoying if we (having put up with umpteen builders lorries per
    day) have to wait until after they get their shiny new fibre on
    moving-in day!

    Only 40?! We have 3000 being built round us and all of them have, or
    will have, FTTP of course.

    For us, "We're planning to build in this area", according to Openreach.
    Yeah - it's been like that since they first scrawled it on one end of
    the Bayeux Tapestry...
    --
    Jeff
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  • From Tweed@usenet.tweed@gmail.com to uk.telecom.broadband on Thu Sep 3 13:44:27 2026
    From Newsgroup: uk.telecom.broadband

    J. P. Gilliver <G6JPG@255soft.uk> wrote:
    On 2026/9/3 7:3:24, Tweed wrote:
    []
    I think Zen tick all the boxes here, but hererCOs my list of requirements for
    an ISP:
    No in contract price rises.

    (What sort of contract length do Zen do? If no in-contract rises, do
    their renewal offers generally go up in price?)

    No CGNAT
    Static IPv4 address
    Supports IPv6

    Even if you donrCOt gain any technical advantage from the above, the availability shows that the ISP has been around a while and knows what they
    are doing. It also indicates that they arenrCOt cutting corners. ThererCOs more to being a good ISP than just providing a connection.


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  • From J. P. Gilliver@G6JPG@255soft.uk to uk.telecom.broadband on Thu Sep 3 14:55:18 2026
    From Newsgroup: uk.telecom.broadband

    On 2026/9/3 14:21:29, Tweed wrote:
    J. P. Gilliver <G6JPG@255soft.uk> wrote:
    On 2026/9/3 9:38:43, Tweed wrote:
    Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> wrote:
    I'd never use an altnet where there's no separation between the
    physical
    fibres and the ISP provision, in this area that includes Virgin, am I >>>> right that in other areas you can use Virgin fibres to get service from >>>> other ISPs?



    Yes and no :)
    Where Virgin do offer a wholesale offering it appears that the choice of >>> ISPs is limited to members of the same owning group, eg GiffGaff.

    Do GiffGaff now offer fixed ICP? I thought they were mobile only ("goody
    bags" and similar pretending-to-be-for-children).

    https://www.giffgaff.com/broadband

    Only in very limited areas though.



    Thanks. They can't do my area. I filled in the form to be notified
    (which involved accepting marketing emails, which I'll opt out of if I
    ever get one; misleading form design).
    --
    J. P. Gilliver. UMRA: 1960/<1985 MB++G()ALIS-Ch++(p)Ar++T+H+Sh0!:`)DNAf
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  • From Andy Burns@usenet@andyburns.uk to uk.telecom.broadband on Thu Sep 3 14:57:35 2026
    From Newsgroup: uk.telecom.broadband

    Jeff Layman wrote:
    On 03/09/2026 12:34, Andy Burns wrote:
    Theo wrote:

    Openreach have been forced to FTTP-provision new build sites or
    redevelopments with 3, then later 2, homes.-a It sounds like they run the >>> fibre and put up a single termination box.-a Later on they will
    convert the
    rest of the road and will need to install more plant, but perhaps
    they don't
    do that for the first install so as to keep the costs and more
    importantly
    lead time low for the new build customer.

    There is a development of 40 new houses off the bottom of this road, it
    will be annoying if we (having put up with umpteen builders lorries per
    day) have to wait until after they get their shiny new fibre on
    moving-in day!

    Only 40?!

    this is the 3rd batch, on a side-street, off a side-street, off a
    side-street ... the main batch of "hundreds" is on the other side of the village, the council no longer seem able to fight the developers.

    We have 3000 being built round us and all of them have, or
    will have, FTTP of course.

    For us, "We're planning to build in this area", according to Openreach.
    Yeah - it's been like that since they first scrawled it on one end of
    the Bayeux Tapestry...

    My official status is "WerCOll be building in this area in the next year", which was last changed a couple of months ago, when all manner of spray
    paint markings appeared on the footpaths and rotten poles started
    getting replaced ...

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  • From J. P. Gilliver@G6JPG@255soft.uk to uk.telecom.broadband on Thu Sep 3 14:57:52 2026
    From Newsgroup: uk.telecom.broadband

    On 2026/9/3 14:44:27, Tweed wrote:
    J. P. Gilliver <G6JPG@255soft.uk> wrote:
    On 2026/9/3 7:3:24, Tweed wrote:
    []
    I think Zen tick all the boxes here, but hererCOs my list of requirements for
    an ISP:
    No in contract price rises.

    (What sort of contract length do Zen do? If no in-contract rises, do
    their renewal offers generally go up in price?)

    No CGNAT
    Static IPv4 address
    Supports IPv6

    Even if you donrCOt gain any technical advantage from the above, the availability shows that the ISP has been around a while and knows what they

    Very well put!

    are doing. It also indicates that they arenrCOt cutting corners. ThererCOs more
    to being a good ISP than just providing a connection.


    I have taken to using ICP, which is what many of them are moving to,
    especially PlusNet.
    --
    J. P. Gilliver. UMRA: 1960/<1985 MB++G()ALIS-Ch++(p)Ar++T+H+Sh0!:`)DNAf
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  • From Andy Burns@usenet@andyburns.uk to uk.telecom.broadband on Thu Sep 3 15:03:47 2026
    From Newsgroup: uk.telecom.broadband

    "J. P. Gilliver" wrote:

    Surely they'll keep saying "computer says no" until after BT/OR actually
    let Zen know that FTTP is able to be provided?
    Is that just you being auto-cynical, or ... I'd always understood from
    what I read on here that Zen were a bit less automated than that.
    (Though perhaps not as robust as Andrews and Arnold allegedly are, at considerable cost to the user.)

    Pragmatic really, no ISP is going to resell FTTC in a non-provisioned
    area, and I doubt they know what's on the horizon until it suddenly
    becomes a provisioned area?

    I've been keeping an eye on various business addresses within the
    village by postcode, and seen the status on the BT/OR checker change a
    few days after a roadworks.org showed some work booked, then a bloke was working up a pole, then seen the willingness of plusnet to sell full
    fibre change a few days after that.


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  • From Tweed@usenet.tweed@gmail.com to uk.telecom.broadband on Thu Sep 3 14:23:27 2026
    From Newsgroup: uk.telecom.broadband

    J. P. Gilliver <G6JPG@255soft.uk> wrote:
    On 2026/9/3 14:21:29, Tweed wrote:
    J. P. Gilliver <G6JPG@255soft.uk> wrote:
    On 2026/9/3 9:38:43, Tweed wrote:
    Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> wrote:
    I'd never use an altnet where there's no separation between the
    physical
    fibres and the ISP provision, in this area that includes Virgin, am I >>>>> right that in other areas you can use Virgin fibres to get service from >>>>> other ISPs?



    Yes and no :)
    Where Virgin do offer a wholesale offering it appears that the choice of >>>> ISPs is limited to members of the same owning group, eg GiffGaff.

    Do GiffGaff now offer fixed ICP? I thought they were mobile only ("goody >>> bags" and similar pretending-to-be-for-children).

    https://www.giffgaff.com/broadband

    Only in very limited areas though.



    Thanks. They can't do my area. I filled in the form to be notified
    (which involved accepting marketing emails, which I'll opt out of if I
    ever get one; misleading form design).

    I get the feeling GG fibre is an attempt to sell to customers who have
    vowed never to deal with Virgin Media broadband again. ItrCOs only available
    on Nextfibre (owned by the VM group) and the bits of VM cable that have
    been upgraded from hybrid fibre/coax to full fibre.

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  • From Andy Burns@usenet@andyburns.uk to uk.telecom.broadband on Thu Sep 3 15:33:07 2026
    From Newsgroup: uk.telecom.broadband

    Geoff Clare wrote:

    The biggest annoyance was that
    I couldn't set up rDNS on the new addresses until after the address
    change had happened.

    That's one thing I worry about, with the portal hardly even being a
    shadow of a shadow these days, does anyone left at PN know about reverse
    DNS? Hopefully Bob's not retiring yet?

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  • From Woody@harrogate3@ntlworld.com to uk.telecom.broadband on Thu Sep 3 16:05:54 2026
    From Newsgroup: uk.telecom.broadband

    On Thu 03/09/2026 14:25, J. P. Gilliver wrote:
    On 2026/9/3 7:3:24, Tweed wrote:
    []
    I think Zen tick all the boxes here, but hererCOs my list of requirements for
    an ISP:
    No in contract price rises.

    (What sort of contract length do Zen do? If no in-contract rises, do
    their renewal offers generally go up in price?)

    No CGNAT
    Static IPv4 address
    Supports IPv6

    Sound good, though not sure what difference those would make to me.

    UK based tech support

    UK-based is good, but at least as important is native English speaker
    IMO. Or at least a good _grasp_ of the language. I'm not racist - some
    of the best technical support I've had was when sorting out a friend's problem - actually on TalkTalk - where the person I was speaking to definitely had an non-British accent, and may well have _been_ in India
    - but definitely knew his onions, and also was able to converse with me.
    Too often recently - not just ISP/ICP, but e. g. banking, pension,
    utilities - I've found myself speaking to someone who it was clear I
    couldn't really have much of a conversation with, whether they were
    actually _located_ in the UK or not.

    Offers connection via wholesale Altnets where available. (Eg you can choose >> CityFibre or OpenReach if both in your street)

    Again, sounds good, though I suspect I'll only have a choice of one
    (almost certainly Openreach) when fibre hits here.

    UK based they are - in Rochdale - so if you are from sarf of the Trent
    you may have difficulty understanding some of them!

    Me? Tyke so no issues - and the DO know what they are talking about!


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  • From David Wade@g4ugm@dave.invalid to uk.telecom.broadband on Thu Sep 3 17:16:19 2026
    From Newsgroup: uk.telecom.broadband

    On 03/09/2026 14:25, J. P. Gilliver wrote:
    On 2026/9/3 7:3:24, Tweed wrote:
    []
    I think Zen tick all the boxes here, but hererCOs my list of requirements for
    an ISP:
    No in contract price rises.

    (What sort of contract length do Zen do? If no in-contract rises, do
    their renewal offers generally go up in price?)


    I can't say what happens in the future, but it didn't rise last time. I recently upgraded from "Full Fibre 500" to "Full Fibre 900" which cost
    -u9.95. This included a new router and the contract is for 18 months. The Monthly price did not change.


    No CGNAT
    Static IPv4 address
    Supports IPv6

    Sound good, though not sure what difference those would make to me.


    CGNAT can make some services unavailable. I have a CGNAT connection in
    Spain and I can't use it to connect to Eternal September, it continually resets the connection. I assume this is because many users share the
    same IP address and Eternal September has a limit of four connections
    per IP address. It can make other things that rate customers by IP
    address unusable.


    UK based tech support

    UK-based is good, but at least as important is native English speaker
    IMO. Or at least a good _grasp_ of the language. I'm not racist - some
    of the best technical support I've had was when sorting out a friend's problem - actually on TalkTalk - where the person I was speaking to definitely had an non-British accent, and may well have _been_ in India
    - but definitely knew his onions, and also was able to converse with me.
    Too often recently - not just ISP/ICP, but e. g. banking, pension,
    utilities - I've found myself speaking to someone who it was clear I
    couldn't really have much of a conversation with, whether they were
    actually _located_ in the UK or not.

    Offers connection via wholesale Altnets where available. (Eg you can choose >> CityFibre or OpenReach if both in your street)

    Again, sounds good, though I suspect I'll only have a choice of one
    (almost certainly Openreach) when fibre hits here.

    You never can tell...

    Dave
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  • From snipeco.2@snipeco.2@gmail.com (Sn!pe) to uk.telecom.broadband on Wed Sep 9 12:10:37 2026
    From Newsgroup: uk.telecom.broadband

    Sn!pe <snipeco.2@gmail.com> wrote:

    [...]

    My wife spoke to one of the linemen yesterday, he told her it was BT
    and that we should expect a letter in about a month. I guess that will
    be to offer BT Internet. Meanwhile I'll keep prodding Zen rather than waiting for them to contact me.


    Five days later, Zen have contacted me. I've just placed an order for
    Full Fibre 900, 24 month contract at u39 per month. It's due to be
    installed in just under three weeks, very pleasing.
    --
    Sn!pe, birdbrain. My pet rock Gordon deplores Automatic Idiocy.

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  • From Andy Burns@usenet@andyburns.uk to uk.telecom.broadband on Wed Sep 9 12:34:47 2026
    From Newsgroup: uk.telecom.broadband

    Sn!pe wrote:

    I've just placed an order for Full Fibre 900

    900Mbps! 900Mbps?

    Have you invested in a matter transporter for sending birthday presents
    to your grand-snipelings down-under?

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  • From David Wade@g4ugm@dave.invalid to uk.telecom.broadband on Wed Sep 9 13:04:16 2026
    From Newsgroup: uk.telecom.broadband

    On 09/09/2026 12:34, Andy Burns wrote:
    Sn!pe wrote:

    I've just placed an order for Full Fibre 900

    900Mbps!-a 900Mbps?

    Have you invested in a matter transporter for sending birthday presents
    to your grand-snipelings down-under?


    I have that service. With me the reverse applies.
    I have a fixed IP address and the Fritz!Box Zen supplied has a built-in
    Wire Guard VPN server. So my kids and grand-kids can pretend they are in
    the UK when they are not. They generate a fair bit of traffic.

    Dave
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  • From David Wade@g4ugm@dave.invalid to uk.telecom.broadband on Wed Sep 9 13:05:08 2026
    From Newsgroup: uk.telecom.broadband

    On 09/09/2026 12:10, Sn!pe wrote:
    Sn!pe <snipeco.2@gmail.com> wrote:

    [...]

    My wife spoke to one of the linemen yesterday, he told her it was BT
    and that we should expect a letter in about a month. I guess that will
    be to offer BT Internet. Meanwhile I'll keep prodding Zen rather than
    waiting for them to contact me.


    Five days later, Zen have contacted me. I've just placed an order for
    Full Fibre 900, 24 month contract at -u39 per month. It's due to be installed in just under three weeks, very pleasing.

    you should have asked for a referal code. Its worth -u40 to both parties

    Dave
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  • From Andy Burns@usenet@andyburns.uk to uk.telecom.broadband on Wed Sep 9 13:18:50 2026
    From Newsgroup: uk.telecom.broadband

    David Wade wrote:

    you should have asked for a referal code.

    Even though he's an existing Zen customer?

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  • From snipeco.2@snipeco.2@gmail.com (Sn!pe) to uk.telecom.broadband on Wed Sep 9 14:19:12 2026
    From Newsgroup: uk.telecom.broadband

    Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> wrote:

    Sn!pe wrote:

    I've just placed an order for Full Fibre 900

    900Mbps! 900Mbps?

    Have you invested in a matter transporter for sending birthday presents
    to your grand-snipelings down-under?

    I could have ordered 1,600Mbps for u45! The grand-snipelings' birthday presents are getting bigger now that they're teenagers, I'm sure to need
    all that bandwidth.
    --
    Sn!pe, birdbrain. My pet rock Gordon just is.

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  • From snipeco.2@snipeco.2@gmail.com (Sn!pe) to uk.telecom.broadband on Wed Sep 9 14:19:13 2026
    From Newsgroup: uk.telecom.broadband

    David Wade <g4ugm@dave.invalid> wrote:

    On 09/09/2026 12:34, Andy Burns wrote:
    Sn!pe wrote:

    I've just placed an order for Full Fibre 900

    900Mbps! 900Mbps?

    Have you invested in a matter transporter for sending birthday presents
    to your grand-snipelings down-under?


    I have that service. With me the reverse applies.
    I have a fixed IP address and the Fritz!Box Zen supplied has a built-in
    Wire Guard VPN server. So my kids and grand-kids can pretend they are in
    the UK when they are not. They generate a fair bit of traffic.

    Dave

    Interesting. I think Zen are sending me an Eero 7, I wonder if that has
    the same.
    --
    Sn!pe, birdbrain. My pet rock Gordon just is.

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  • From J. P. Gilliver@G6JPG@255soft.uk to uk.telecom.broadband on Wed Sep 9 14:23:11 2026
    From Newsgroup: uk.telecom.broadband

    On 2026/9/9 12:34:47, Andy Burns wrote:
    Sn!pe wrote:

    I've just placed an order for Full Fibre 900

    900Mbps! 900Mbps?

    Have you invested in a matter transporter for sending birthday presents
    to your grand-snipelings down-under?

    Does that include any VoIP?
    --
    J. P. Gilliver. UMRA: 1960/<1985 MB++G()ALIS-Ch++(p)Ar++T+H+Sh0!:`)DNAf

    Her [Valerie Singleton's] main job on /Blue Peter/ was to stop
    unpredictable creatres running amok. And that was just John Noakes.
    - Alison Pearson, RT 2014/9/6-12
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  • From snipeco.2@snipeco.2@gmail.com (Sn!pe) to uk.telecom.broadband on Wed Sep 9 14:32:06 2026
    From Newsgroup: uk.telecom.broadband

    J. P. Gilliver <G6JPG@255soft.uk> wrote:

    On 2026/9/9 12:34:47, Andy Burns wrote:
    Sn!pe wrote:

    I've just placed an order for Full Fibre 900

    900Mbps! 900Mbps?

    Have you invested in a matter transporter for sending birthday presents
    to your grand-snipelings down-under?

    Does that include any VoIP?

    I don't know, I declined fixed line service. We haven't used the
    existing POTS service for a while; it was only receiving nuisance
    calls so we've done without.
    --
    Sn!pe, birdbrain. My pet rock Gordon just is.

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  • From David Wade@g4ugm@dave.invalid to uk.telecom.broadband on Wed Sep 9 15:47:55 2026
    From Newsgroup: uk.telecom.broadband

    On 09/09/2026 14:19, Sn!pe wrote:
    David Wade <g4ugm@dave.invalid> wrote:

    On 09/09/2026 12:34, Andy Burns wrote:
    Sn!pe wrote:

    I've just placed an order for Full Fibre 900

    900Mbps! 900Mbps?

    Have you invested in a matter transporter for sending birthday presents
    to your grand-snipelings down-under?


    I have that service. With me the reverse applies.
    I have a fixed IP address and the Fritz!Box Zen supplied has a built-in
    Wire Guard VPN server. So my kids and grand-kids can pretend they are in
    the UK when they are not. They generate a fair bit of traffic.

    Dave

    Interesting. I think Zen are sending me an Eero 7, I wonder if that has
    the same.

    I believe not. One reason I stayed at 900Meg.

    Dave
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  • From richard@richard@cogsci.ed.ac.uk (Richard Tobin) to uk.telecom.broadband on Wed Sep 9 16:54:06 2026
    From Newsgroup: uk.telecom.broadband

    In article <1s16aca.do8qszgzwe94N%snipeco.2@gmail.com>,
    Sn!pe <snipeco.1@gmail.com> wrote:

    I have a fixed IP address and the Fritz!Box Zen supplied has a built-in
    Wire Guard VPN server. So my kids and grand-kids can pretend they are in
    the UK when they are not. They generate a fair bit of traffic.

    Interesting. I think Zen are sending me an Eero 7, I wonder if that has
    the same.

    I have three times in the last month tried to upgrade my Zen FTTP to
    900Mbps. The first two times the web site said they would send me a
    Fritz box, but the order seemed to fall into a black hole - no
    acknowledgment email, upgrade, or Fritz box.

    Today I tried again and the site was offering an Eero 7 (and also
    wanting a 10 pound fee, which they didn't before). This time the
    order seems to have been accepted, and the upgrade is scheduled for
    tomorrow. Presumably they will send me an Eero.

    I don't have any use for the Eero (or Fritz box), but there didn't
    seem to be any way not to get it.

    -- Richard
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  • From richard@richard@cogsci.ed.ac.uk (Richard Tobin) to uk.telecom.broadband on Wed Sep 9 16:59:16 2026
    From Newsgroup: uk.telecom.broadband

    In article <1s16a2s.blxx3f1vywpxlN%snipeco.2@gmail.com>,
    Sn!pe <snipeco.1@gmail.com> wrote:

    I could have ordered 1,600Mbps for u45!

    My router, which has a 2.5Gbps ethernet port, only connects at 1Gbps
    to the (7 year old) ONT. I wonder if they have to replace the ONT for
    speeds above 1Gbps?

    -- Richard
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  • From Andy Burns@usenet@andyburns.uk to uk.telecom.broadband on Wed Sep 9 18:13:53 2026
    From Newsgroup: uk.telecom.broadband

    Richard Tobin wrote:

    Sn!pe wrote:

    I could have ordered 1,600Mbps for +U45!

    My router, which has a 2.5Gbps ethernet port, only connects at 1Gbps
    to the (7 year old) ONT. I wonder if they have to replace the ONT for
    speeds above 1Gbps?
    yes, for 1.6Gbps GPON (or the newer XGSPON) they fit an ONT with 2.5Gb ethernet
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  • From Chris Green@cl@isbd.net to uk.telecom.broadband on Thu Sep 10 09:09:43 2026
    From Newsgroup: uk.telecom.broadband

    Richard Tobin <richard@cogsci.ed.ac.uk> wrote:
    In article <1s16a2s.blxx3f1vywpxlN%snipeco.2@gmail.com>,
    Sn!pe <snipeco.1@gmail.com> wrote:

    I could have ordered 1,600Mbps for ?45!

    My router, which has a 2.5Gbps ethernet port, only connects at 1Gbps
    to the (7 year old) ONT. I wonder if they have to replace the ONT for
    speeds above 1Gbps?

    My 'as supplied' ONT from CityFibre has a 10Gbps port which actually
    connects at 10GBps to my router. I only have a 1200/1200 FTTP service
    though (I can uprade to 2500).
    --
    Chris Green
    -+
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  • From snipeco.2@snipeco.2@gmail.com (Sn!pe) to uk.telecom.broadband on Mon Sep 28 18:16:03 2026
    From Newsgroup: uk.telecom.broadband

    Sn!pe <snipeco.2@gmail.com> wrote:

    Sn!pe <snipeco.2@gmail.com> wrote:

    [...]

    My wife spoke to one of the linemen yesterday, he told her it was BT
    and that we should expect a letter in about a month. I guess that will
    be to offer BT Internet. Meanwhile I'll keep prodding Zen rather than waiting for them to contact me.


    Five days later, Zen have contacted me. I've just placed an order for
    Full Fibre 900, 24 month contract at u39 per month. It's due to be
    installed in just under three weeks, very pleasing.


    19 days later and it's in - 912 Mb/s down, 114 Mb/s up, 7ms ping to Zen.
    The M J Quinn techie was pleasant, accommodating and efficient; it was
    all done in less than two hours, brilliant.
    --
    Sn!pe, birdbrain. My pet rock Gordon just is.

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