Tweed <usenet.tweed@gmail.com> writes:[]
AnthonyL <nospam@please.invalid> wrote:
The number is important for frequent calls from the hospital and
surgery.
1) Get FTTP installed and check it is running 2) Transfer landline
number to VOIP provider (eg AAISP) 3) Cancel FTTC line (assuming 2
didnrCOt already do that)
Keep an eye on the engineer. If he produces a wire cutter at any time
and starts moving toward the copper wire, rugby tackle him to the
ground.
On 2026/3/23 17:33:14, Richmond wrote:The ones I hate are those where a voice reads out a number at a hundred
Tweed <usenet.tweed@gmail.com> writes:[]
AnthonyL <nospam@please.invalid> wrote:
The number is important for frequent calls from the hospital and
surgery.
1) Get FTTP installed and check it is running 2) Transfer landline
number to VOIP provider (eg AAISP) 3) Cancel FTTC line (assuming 2
didnrCOt already do that)
Keep an eye on the engineer. If he produces a wire cutter at any
time and starts moving toward the copper wire, rugby tackle him to
the ground.
Love it!
Though I hate to say it, being one of those who objects to the
assumption that everyone has a mobile: if the medical calls are
important, give a mobile number to those. (Do it now, as it may take a
while to filter through the NHS systems.) If you don't have a mobile
number, I'm with you! (I do have one but don't want to give it out as
it could change frequently.)
My dentist did have a system (run by a third party of course) that
required you to fill in forms online, part of the process of which
involved getting something texted to a mobile (or similar). Giving it
a landline number didn't work.
I've had cases where messages - or numbers - sent as texts (or
something else?) to my landline result in them being read out (the
last one, which was a text message something like "I've put your key
in an envelope" by a very doleful voice!) as audio to my landline.
Why doesn't that always happen - does it cost the sender something?
I've had cases where messages - or numbers - sent as texts (or something else?) to my landline result in them being read out (the last one, which
was a text message something like "I've put your key in an envelope" by
a very doleful voice!) as audio to my landline. Why doesn't that always happen - does it cost the sender something?
The ones I hate are those where a voice reads out a number at a hundred
miles an hour. To make it worse, it doesn't just read out actual
digits, which would be simple to follow and write down, it speaks these numbers in a manner that makes it hard to do that.
"J. P. Gilliver" wrote:
I've had cases where messages - or numbers - sent as texts (or something
else?) to my landline result in them being read out (the last one, which
was a text message something like "I've put your key in an envelope" by
a very doleful voice!) as audio to my landline. Why doesn't that always
happen - does it cost the sender something?
Doesn't (or rather didn't) cost any extra but SMS to/from landline
stopped working when I converted to SoGEA, the phone goes through the motions of registering, but supposedly it was withdrawn last year.
On 2026/3/24 1:48:11, Andy Burns wrote:
"J. P. Gilliver" wrote:I wasn't talking about sending. but receiving. I still have (AFAIK!) an ordinary landline. Some incoming numbers (and texts such as the above
I've had cases where messages - or numbers - sent as texts (or something >>> else?) to my landline result in them being read out (the last one, which >>> was a text message something like "I've put your key in an envelope" by
a very doleful voice!) as audio to my landline. Why doesn't that always
happen - does it cost the sender something?
Doesn't (or rather didn't) cost any extra but SMS to/from landline
stopped working when I converted to SoGEA, the phone goes through the
motions of registering, but supposedly it was withdrawn last year.
one, though I think that's the first actual text I've had for ages) _do_
get read out; many don't. Sometimes the 'phone doesn't ring but I find there's a message stored in 1572; sometimes not even that.
I wasn't talking about sending. but receiving. I still have (AFAIK!) an ordinary landline. Some incoming numbers (and texts such as the above
one, though I think that's the first actual text I've had for ages)do
get read out; many don't.
My old landline number is now with
Andrews and Arnold, which costs a couple of quid a month. Any incoming call goes to voicemail and that gets emailed to me. I donrCOt bother with a handset connected to the VoIP service. The voicemail mops up anyone still using my old landline number.
J. P. Gilliver <G6JPG@255soft.uk> wrote:I don't have _any_ mobile supplier. (Well, I have one for emergencies -
On 2026/3/24 1:48:11, Andy Burns wrote:
"J. P. Gilliver" wrote:I wasn't talking about sending. but receiving. I still have (AFAIK!) an
I've had cases where messages - or numbers - sent as texts (or something >>>> else?) to my landline result in them being read out (the last one, which >>>> was a text message something like "I've put your key in an envelope" by >>>> a very doleful voice!) as audio to my landline. Why doesn't that always >>>> happen - does it cost the sender something?
Doesn't (or rather didn't) cost any extra but SMS to/from landline
stopped working when I converted to SoGEA, the phone goes through the
motions of registering, but supposedly it was withdrawn last year.
ordinary landline. Some incoming numbers (and texts such as the above
one, though I think that's the first actual text I've had for ages) _do_
get read out; many don't. Sometimes the 'phone doesn't ring but I find>> there's a message stored in 1572; sometimes not even that.
If you have a decent broadband supply, which FTTP should be, and a proper mobile supplier and a suitable mobile phone the WiFi calling should allow mobile calls to be received and made within the house, assuming poor in> house mobile reception.
IrCOve gone mobile first for calls. My old landline number is now with Andrews and Arnold, which costs a couple of quid a month. Any incoming call goes to voicemail and that gets emailed to me. I donrCOt bother with a handset connected to the VoIP service. The voicemail mops up anyone still using my old landline number.
Though I hate to say it, being one of those who objects to the
assumption that everyone has a mobile:
"J. P. Gilliver" wrote:
I wasn't talking about sending. but receiving. I still have (AFAIK!) an
ordinary landline. Some incoming numbers (and texts such as the above
one, though I think that's the first actual text I've had for ages)do
get read out; many don't.
Gave you received got DECT phones which directly support SMS? It sounds
like you haven't, or they wouldn't send them as text-2-speech.
Have you received a text since last October? That's supposedly when it
was turned off ...
J. P. Gilliver wrote:
[snip]
Though I hate to say it, being one of those who objects to the
assumption that everyone has a mobile:
We might all have mobiles, but there are some of us who don't get a
mobile signal at home, so providing its number to all and sundry is a
pretty pointless exercise!
J. P. Gilliver wrote:
[snip]
Though I hate to say it, being one of those who objects to the
assumption that everyone has a mobile:
We might all have mobiles, but there are some of us who don't get a
mobile signal at home, so providing its number to all and sundry is a
pretty pointless exercise!
On 2026/3/24 8:23:40, Andy Burns wrote:
"J. P. Gilliver" wrote:
I wasn't talking about sending. but receiving. I still have
(AFAIK!) an ordinary landline. Some incoming numbers (and texts
such as the above one, though I think that's the first actual text
I've had for ages)do get read out; many don't.
Gave you received got DECT phones which directly support SMS? It
sounds like you haven't, or they wouldn't send them as
text-2-speech.
No.
Have you received a text since last October? That's supposedly whenThe text I received - that was read out to me - was within the last
it was turned off ...
week or three.
On Tue, 24 Mar 2026 15:01:05 +0000
"J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> wrote:
On 2026/3/24 8:23:40, Andy Burns wrote:
"J. P. Gilliver" wrote:
I wasn't talking about sending. but receiving. I still have
(AFAIK!) an ordinary landline. Some incoming numbers (and texts
such as the above one, though I think that's the first actual text
I've had for ages)do get read out; many don't.
Gave you received got DECT phones which directly support SMS? It
sounds like you haven't, or they wouldn't send them as
text-2-speech.
No.
The text I received - that was read out to me - was within the last
Have you received a text since last October? That's supposedly when
it was turned off ...
week or three.
My Panasonic DECT handsets used to send and receive SMS text messages.
When I moved to 'Digital Voice', it stopped sending them, but would
still receive them. Now, I'm not sure, but I have received at least one
of those 'spoken texts' within the last 3 months or so. I could try a
test the next time I turn my mobile on.
It seemed to me that whether a message came through as text or speech depended somewhat on the sender.
Graham J <nobody@nowhere.co.uk> wrote:
J. P. Gilliver wrote:If you have broadband you can have WiFi calling (assuming you have a decent mobile supplier and a suitable mobile handset). ThererCOs no need to have a mobile signal. VodafonerCOs WiFi calling on my iPhone works very well. Even
[snip]
Though I hate to say it, being one of those who objects to the
assumption that everyone has a mobile:
We might all have mobiles, but there are some of us who don't get a
mobile signal at home, so providing its number to all and sundry is a
pretty pointless exercise!
in the basement at work on the corporate WiFi. Even in the middle of
nowhere you can get Starlink broadband for a surprisingly (at least to me) low monthly fee of 35 GBP.
On 24/03/2026 14:59, Graham J wrote:
J. P. Gilliver wrote:
[snip]
Though I hate to say it, being one of those who objects to the
assumption that everyone has a mobile:
We might all have mobiles, but there are some of us who don't get a
mobile signal at home, so providing its number to all and sundry is a
pretty pointless exercise!
That was the problem I faced about 9 years ago. I got a phone that
supported WiFi Calling and a payg plan and never looked back
I usually have mobile data switched off and its amuising to get floods
of messages when I enter a 'public wifi' area...
On 2026/3/24 15:13:25, Tweed wrote:
Graham J <nobody@nowhere.co.uk> wrote:
J. P. Gilliver wrote:If you have broadband you can have WiFi calling (assuming you have a decent >> mobile supplier and a suitable mobile handset). ThererCOs no need to have a >> mobile signal. VodafonerCOs WiFi calling on my iPhone works very well. Even
[snip]
Though I hate to say it, being one of those who objects to the
assumption that everyone has a mobile:
We might all have mobiles, but there are some of us who don't get a
mobile signal at home, so providing its number to all and sundry is a
pretty pointless exercise!
So the person who has broadband has to shell out extra for a mobile
contract s/he cannot use at home (except by wifi calling), _and_ a
'phone to use with it.
This might actually make sense in some circumstances (especially if s/h already _does_ have a mobile contract anyway, for when not at home, and
a 'phone to use with it).
in the basement at work on the corporate WiFi. Even in the middle ofI agree, that does sound low for that. Does it include calls too?
nowhere you can get Starlink broadband for a surprisingly (at least to me) >> low monthly fee of 35 GBP.
On 2026/3/24 15:25:12, The Natural Philosopher wrote:Take Spusu as an example. Uses the EE network. -u5/month for unlimited voice minutes and 5Gb data. The phone will use the mobile network or connect via
On 24/03/2026 14:59, Graham J wrote:
J. P. Gilliver wrote:
[snip]
Though I hate to say it, being one of those who objects to the
assumption that everyone has a mobile:
We might all have mobiles, but there are some of us who don't get a
mobile signal at home, so providing its number to all and sundry is a
pretty pointless exercise!
That was the problem I faced about 9 years ago. I got a phone that
supported WiFi Calling and a payg plan and never looked back
Presumably if you make calls on it, even with the wifi calling, they
cost you something, as you're using at least some part of the provider's network (the remote end)?
Who with/what cost?
:-) [So the 'phone autoconnects whenever it enters such an area.]
I usually have mobile data switched off and its amuising to get floods
of messages when I enter a 'public wifi' area...
Tweed wrote:
you can get Starlink broadband for a surprisingly (at least to me)
low monthly fee of 35 GBP.
I agree, that does sound low for that. Does it include calls too?
Presumably if you make calls on it, even with the wifi calling, they
cost you something, as you're using at least some part of the provider's
The phone will use the mobile network or connect via
WiFi depending on which provides, in the opinion of the phonerCOs firmware, the best connection.
J. P. Gilliver wrote:
Tweed wrote:
you can get Starlink broadband for a surprisingly (at least to me)
low monthly fee of 35 GBP.
I agree, that does sound low for that. Does it include calls too?
Starlink is a broadband provider, not a mobile provider.-a The satellites are low altitude and provide speed and latency roughly equivalent to
FTTC, so should work with VoIP.
Andy Burns wrote:
J. P. Gilliver wrote:
Tweed wrote:
you can get Starlink broadband for a surprisingly (at least to me)
low monthly fee of 35 GBP.
I agree, that does sound low for that. Does it include calls too?
Starlink is a broadband provider, not a mobile provider.-a The satellites >> are low altitude and provide speed and latency roughly equivalent to
FTTC, so should work with VoIP.
Beware GCGNAT !
You can get a mobile contract with WiFi calling and unlimited voice minutes for -u5/month. ThatrCOs hardly extortionate. The cheapest I ever managed to get landline voice rental was -u10/month and that was a while ago.
Presumably if you make calls on it, even with the wifi calling, theyWifi calls are charged at the same rate as mobile calls
cost you something, as you're using at least some part of the provider's network (the remote end)?
Who with/what cost?
On 25/03/2026 06:59, Tweed wrote:
You can get a mobile contract with WiFi calling and unlimited voice minutes >> for -u5/month. ThatrCOs hardly extortionate. The cheapest I ever managed to >> get landline voice rental was -u10/month and that was a while ago.
I have a PAYG mobile contract with three, Wifi Calling works...
The phone coast about -u200 outright some years ago.
On 25/03/2026 06:59, Tweed wrote:
You can get a mobile contract with WiFi calling and unlimited voice minutes for -u5/month. ThatrCOs hardly extortionate. The cheapest I ever managed to get landline voice rental was -u10/month and that was a while ago.
I have a PAYG mobile contract with three, Wifi Calling works...
The phone coast about -u200 outright some years ago.
J. P. Gilliver <G6JPG@255soft.uk> wrote:
On 2026/3/24 15:13:25, Tweed wrote:
Graham J <nobody@nowhere.co.uk> wrote:
J. P. Gilliver wrote:If you have broadband you can have WiFi calling (assuming you have a
[snip]
Though I hate to say it, being one of those who objects to the
assumption that everyone has a mobile:
We might all have mobiles, but there are some of us who don't get a
mobile signal at home, so providing its number to all and sundry is
a pretty pointless exercise!
decent mobile supplier and a suitable mobile handset). ThererCOs no
need to have a mobile signal. VodafonerCOs WiFi calling on my iPhone
works very well. Even
So the person who has broadband has to shell out extra for a mobile
contract s/he cannot use at home (except by wifi calling), _and_ a
'phone to use with it.
This might actually make sense in some circumstances (especially if
s/h already _does_ have a mobile contract anyway, for when not at
home, and a 'phone to use with it).
in the basement at work on the corporate WiFi. Even in the middle ofI agree, that does sound low for that. Does it include calls too?
nowhere you can get Starlink broadband for a surprisingly (at least
to me) low monthly fee of 35 GBP.
You can get a mobile contract with WiFi calling and unlimited voice
minutes for -u5/month. ThatrCOs hardly extortionate. The cheapest I ever managed to get landline voice rental was -u10/month and that was a
while ago.
The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> wrote:
On 25/03/2026 06:59, Tweed wrote:
You can get a mobile contract with WiFi calling and unlimited voice minutes >>> for -u5/month. ThatrCOs hardly extortionate. The cheapest I ever managed to
Sounds good, but ...get landline voice rental was -u10/month and that was a while ago.
I have a PAYG mobile contract with three, Wifi Calling works...
The phone coast about -u200 outright some years ago.
Presumably you have to top it up to make outbound voice calls?
Tweed <usenet.tweed@gmail.com> writes:
J. P. Gilliver <G6JPG@255soft.uk> wrote:
On 2026/3/24 15:13:25, Tweed wrote:
Graham J <nobody@nowhere.co.uk> wrote:
J. P. Gilliver wrote:If you have broadband you can have WiFi calling (assuming you have a
[snip]
Though I hate to say it, being one of those who objects to the
assumption that everyone has a mobile:
We might all have mobiles, but there are some of us who don't get a
mobile signal at home, so providing its number to all and sundry is
a pretty pointless exercise!
decent mobile supplier and a suitable mobile handset). ThererCOs no
need to have a mobile signal. VodafonerCOs WiFi calling on my iPhone
works very well. Even
So the person who has broadband has to shell out extra for a mobile
contract s/he cannot use at home (except by wifi calling), _and_ a
'phone to use with it.
This might actually make sense in some circumstances (especially if
s/h already _does_ have a mobile contract anyway, for when not at
home, and a 'phone to use with it).
in the basement at work on the corporate WiFi. Even in the middle ofI agree, that does sound low for that. Does it include calls too?
nowhere you can get Starlink broadband for a surprisingly (at least
to me) low monthly fee of 35 GBP.
You can get a mobile contract with WiFi calling and unlimited voice
minutes for -u5/month. ThatrCOs hardly extortionate. The cheapest I ever
managed to get landline voice rental was -u10/month and that was a
while ago.
Maybe that is because other people are paying when they phone you? I pay
4ppm to phone mobiles, whereas it is 1.5ppm to phone landlines, from my landline. If I could phone VOIP to VOIP there would be no minute by
minute charge.
With my PAYG O2 classic I pay 3ppm and I would be unlikely to ever spend
-u5 in a month at that rate.
Take Spusu as an example. Uses the EE network. -u5/month for unlimited voice minutes and 5Gb data. The phone will use the mobile network or connect via WiFi depending on which provides, in the opinion of the phonerCOs firmware, the best connection. Yes it does auto connect.
J. P. Gilliver wrote:
Presumably if you make calls on it, even with the wifi calling, they
cost you something, as you're using at least some part of the provider's
Most mobile contracts include unlimited text and calls nowadays, so
calls can be chargeable but not actually charged ... typically only
includes 01/02/03 geographical and 07 mobiles (not all 07 are actually mobiles)
On 2026/3/24 15:13:25, Tweed wrote:
Graham J <nobody@nowhere.co.uk> wrote:
J. P. Gilliver wrote:If you have broadband you can have WiFi calling (assuming you have a decent >> mobile supplier and a suitable mobile handset). ThererCOs no need to have a >> mobile signal. VodafonerCOs WiFi calling on my iPhone works very well. Even
[snip]
Though I hate to say it, being one of those who objects to the
assumption that everyone has a mobile:
We might all have mobiles, but there are some of us who don't get a
mobile signal at home, so providing its number to all and sundry is a
pretty pointless exercise!
So the person who has broadband has to shell out extra for a mobile
contract s/he cannot use at home (except by wifi calling), _and_ a
'phone to use with it.
This might actually make sense in some circumstances (especially if s/h already _does_ have a mobile contract anyway, for when not at home, and
a 'phone to use with it).
in the basement at work on the corporate WiFi. Even in the middle ofI agree, that does sound low for that. Does it include calls too?
nowhere you can get Starlink broadband for a surprisingly (at least to me) >> low monthly fee of 35 GBP.
On 2026/3/25 7:37:31, Andy Burns wrote:
J. P. Gilliver wrote:
Presumably if you make calls on it, even with the wifi calling, they
cost you something, as you're using at least some part of the provider's
Most mobile contracts include unlimited text and calls nowadays, so
And "Most mobile contracts" involve a monthly fee even if you make no
calls and send no texts.
calls can be chargeable but not actually charged ... typically only
includes 01/02/03 geographical and 07 mobiles (not all 07 are actually
mobiles)
The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> wrote:
On 25/03/2026 06:59, Tweed wrote:
You can get a mobile contract with WiFi calling and unlimited voice minutes >>> for -u5/month. ThatrCOs hardly extortionate. The cheapest I ever managed to >>> get landline voice rental was -u10/month and that was a while ago.
I have a PAYG mobile contract with three, Wifi Calling works...
The phone coast about -u200 outright some years ago.
Presumably you have to top it up to make outbound voice calls?
In uk.telecom.broadband The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> wrote:
On 25/03/2026 06:59, Tweed wrote:My current 'phone does both WiFi calling and VoLTE, it cost -u58, new,
You can get a mobile contract with WiFi calling and unlimited voice minutes >>> for -u5/month. ThatrCOs hardly extortionate. The cheapest I ever managed to >>> get landline voice rental was -u10/month and that was a while ago.
I have a PAYG mobile contract with three, Wifi Calling works...
The phone coast about -u200 outright some years ago.
just a few weeks ago. It's a XIAOMI Redmi A5, I can't fault it
really. I don't take pictures with it and I don't stream movies or
play games but it seems to de everything I want without any issues.
You really don't have to spend all that much to get a reasonably
functional 'phone.
On 2026/3/25 11:43:38, Richmond wrote:
Tweed <usenet.tweed@gmail.com> writes:
J. P. Gilliver <G6JPG@255soft.uk> wrote:
On 2026/3/24 15:13:25, Tweed wrote:
Graham J <nobody@nowhere.co.uk> wrote:
J. P. Gilliver wrote:If you have broadband you can have WiFi calling (assuming you have a >>>>> decent mobile supplier and a suitable mobile handset). ThererCOs no
[snip]
Though I hate to say it, being one of those who objects to the
assumption that everyone has a mobile:
We might all have mobiles, but there are some of us who don't get a >>>>>> mobile signal at home, so providing its number to all and sundry is >>>>>> a pretty pointless exercise!
need to have a mobile signal. VodafonerCOs WiFi calling on my iPhone >>>>> works very well. Even
So the person who has broadband has to shell out extra for a mobile
contract s/he cannot use at home (except by wifi calling), _and_ a
'phone to use with it.
This might actually make sense in some circumstances (especially if
s/h already _does_ have a mobile contract anyway, for when not at
home, and a 'phone to use with it).
in the basement at work on the corporate WiFi. Even in the middle of >>>>> nowhere you can get Starlink broadband for a surprisingly (at leastI agree, that does sound low for that. Does it include calls too?
to me) low monthly fee of 35 GBP.
You can get a mobile contract with WiFi calling and unlimited voice
minutes for -u5/month. ThatrCOs hardly extortionate. The cheapest I ever >>> managed to get landline voice rental was -u10/month and that was a
while ago.
Maybe that is because other people are paying when they phone you? I pay
4ppm to phone mobiles, whereas it is 1.5ppm to phone landlines, from my
landline. If I could phone VOIP to VOIP there would be no minute by
minute charge.
With my PAYG O2 classic I pay 3ppm and I would be unlikely to ever spend
-u5 in a month at that rate.
Until you get put on hold a few times. Though you'd have to be very
unlucky to reach you -u5, granted, but it could happen.
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