On 20/03/2026 07:36, Davey wrote:
On Fri, 20 Mar 2026 06:52:32 +0000A cable doesn't have to be metal. Drop cable is probably a decent way to describe it
The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> wrote:
On 19/03/2026 22:19, Jeff Layman wrote:
Out of interest, where there's the last piece of FTTP carriedI think that's how the engineer referred to mine...
overground from a telephone pole to a house, is it still referred
to as a "dropwire" or something else?
Somehow 'Dropfibre' or 'Dropglass' just don't sound right.
On Fri 20/03/2026 08:53, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
On 20/03/2026 07:36, Davey wrote:
On Fri, 20 Mar 2026 06:52:32 +0000A cable doesn't have to be metal. Drop cable is probably a decent way
The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> wrote:
On 19/03/2026 22:19, Jeff Layman wrote:
Out of interest, where there's the last piece of FTTP carriedI think that's how the engineer referred to mine...
overground from a telephone pole to a house, is it still referred
to as a "dropwire" or something else?
Somehow 'Dropfibre' or 'Dropglass' just don't sound right.
to describe it
Don't forget that the fibre overhead is supported by a wire in the same housing. In Staindrop (Co Durham) the other day I saw a fibre overhead
that I have just measured on Google Maps as 56m - with no visible droop.
On Fri 20/03/2026 08:53, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
On 20/03/2026 07:36, Davey wrote:
On Fri, 20 Mar 2026 06:52:32 +0000A cable doesn't have to be metal. Drop cable is probably a decent way to
The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> wrote:
On 19/03/2026 22:19, Jeff Layman wrote:
Out of interest, where there's the last piece of FTTP carriedI think that's how the engineer referred to mine...
overground from a telephone pole to a house, is it still referred
to as a "dropwire" or something else?
Somehow 'Dropfibre' or 'Dropglass' just don't sound right.
describe it
Don't forget that the fibre overhead is supported by a wire in the same housing. In Staindrop (Co Durham) the other day I saw a fibre overhead
that I have just measured on Google Maps as 56m - with no visible droop.
Are you talking about the "FO cable" which can contain two pairs of
copper wire as well as the FO line itself, so connection can be retained over the copper wire until FTTP is complete? Or are you talking about FO cable which can contain wire to support the weight of the cable and stop
it stretching? If the latter, do you have a link to show its construction?
Don't forget that the fibre overhead is supported by a wire in the same housing. In Staindrop (Co Durham) the other day I saw a fibre overhead
that I have just measured on Google Maps as 56m - with no visible droop.
Now that POTS is being phased out, and old Landlines are being
transferred over to 'Digital Voice', how should we refer to the new connection? 'Landline' is now wrong, as it isn't one; but it's still the
same old number, mostly, it often uses the same handset, and 'Landline'
is how it used to be referred to.
Answers on a postcard, please. Which, being delivered by Royal Mail,
might not reach its destination.
On 2026/3/20 19:10:45, Woody wrote:
[]
Don't forget that the fibre overhead is supported by a wire in the same housing. In Staindrop (Co Durham) the other day I saw a fibre overhead
that I have just measured on Google Maps as 56m - with no visible droop.
(StainDROP seems an appropriate place for this discussion!) If it's 56m
with no visible droop at today's (OK, yesterday's) temperatures, one
wonders how much it will contract in extreme cold weather.
On 2026/3/20 19:10:45, Woody wrote:
[]
Don't forget that the fibre overhead is supported by a wire in the same
housing. In Staindrop (Co Durham) the other day I saw a fibre overhead
that I have just measured on Google Maps as 56m - with no visible droop.
(StainDROP seems an appropriate place for this discussion!) If it's 56m
with no visible droop at today's (OK, yesterday's) temperatures, one
wonders how much it will contract in extreme cold weather.
On 21/03/2026 14:04, J. P. Gilliver wrote::-) [Barnard Castle for me.]
On 2026/3/20 19:10:45, Woody wrote:
[]
Don't forget that the fibre overhead is supported by a wire in the same
housing. In Staindrop (Co Durham) the other day I saw a fibre overhead
that I have just measured on Google Maps as 56m - with no visible droop.
(StainDROP seems an appropriate place for this discussion!) If it's 56m
with no visible droop at today's (OK, yesterday's) temperatures, one
wonders how much it will contract in extreme cold weather.
I used to go to school in Staindrop. Its always cold....
Dave
f it was sufficiently cold to cause enough contraction, presumably the tension would increase until the elastic limit was reached and the wire
would then break or strain permanently to relieve that stress.
On 2026/3/21 17:28:40, David Wade wrote:
On 21/03/2026 14:04, J. P. Gilliver wrote::-) [Barnard Castle for me.]
On 2026/3/20 19:10:45, Woody wrote:
[]
Don't forget that the fibre overhead is supported by a wire in the same >>>> housing. In Staindrop (Co Durham) the other day I saw a fibre overhead >>>> that I have just measured on Google Maps as 56m - with no visible droop. >>>(StainDROP seems an appropriate place for this discussion!) If it's 56m
with no visible droop at today's (OK, yesterday's) temperatures, one
wonders how much it will contract in extreme cold weather.
I used to go to school in Staindrop. Its always cold....
Dave
As for Sn!pe's response: yes, breaking was what I was thinking of;
permanent stretching hadn't occurred to me. Though brittleness tends to >increase at low temperatures, so maybe breaking is more likely?
Tempting to say global warning means it won't happen, but since climate >change is a more accurate description, maybe we _will_ still get cold
snaps. Snaps being the operative word.
Are you talking about the "FO cable" which can contain two pairs of
copper wire as well as the FO line itself, so connection can be retained over the copper wire until FTTP is complete? Or are you talking about FO cable which can contain wire to support the weight of the cable and stop
it stretching? If the latter, do you have a link to show its construction?
Jeff Layman wrote:
Are you talking about the "FO cable" which can contain two pairs of
copper wire as well as the FO line itself, so connection can be retained over the copper wire until FTTP is complete? Or are you talking about FO cable which can contain wire to support the weight of the cable and stop
it stretching? If the latter, do you have a link to show its construction?
I can find antenna cable that includes kevlar strength members, e.g.
<https://www.wireantennas.co.uk/kevlar-range>
But all the phone cable drop wires I can see use stainless steel, e.g.
<https://www.fscables.com/products/bt-drop-wire.html>
I remember the older GPO figure-8 dropwire which was copper clad steel
aka drop wire No 6, where there wasn't a separate strength member (good
at knackering your wire-cutters).
Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> wrote:
Jeff Layman wrote:
Are you talking about the "FO cable" which can contain two pairs ofI can find antenna cable that includes kevlar strength members, e.g.
copper wire as well as the FO line itself, so connection can be retained >>> over the copper wire until FTTP is complete? Or are you talking about FO >>> cable which can contain wire to support the weight of the cable and stop >>> it stretching? If the latter, do you have a link to show its construction? >>
<https://www.wireantennas.co.uk/kevlar-range>
But all the phone cable drop wires I can see use stainless steel, e.g.
<https://www.fscables.com/products/bt-drop-wire.html>
I remember the older GPO figure-8 dropwire which was copper clad steel
aka drop wire No 6, where there wasn't a separate strength member (good
at knackering your wire-cutters).
It caused a lot of faults: The insulation would begin to crack at
flexure points near the ends, letting in moisture. The combination of
copper and steel would then rapidly corrode to give a noisy fracture
which was constantly being moved by the wind.
On 24/03/2026 09:06, Liz Tuddenham wrote:
Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> wrote:Yes, my parents had that drop wire, phone line installed in 1969. When
Jeff Layman wrote:
Are you talking about the "FO cable" which can contain two pairs ofI can find antenna cable that includes kevlar strength members, e.g.
copper wire as well as the FO line itself, so connection can be retained >>>> over the copper wire until FTTP is complete? Or are you talking about FO >>>> cable which can contain wire to support the weight of the cable and stop >>>> it stretching? If the latter, do you have a link to show its construction? >>>
<https://www.wireantennas.co.uk/kevlar-range>
But all the phone cable drop wires I can see use stainless steel, e.g.
<https://www.fscables.com/products/bt-drop-wire.html>
I remember the older GPO figure-8 dropwire which was copper clad steel
aka drop wire No 6, where there wasn't a separate strength member (good
at knackering your wire-cutters).
It caused a lot of faults: The insulation would begin to crack at
flexure points near the ends, letting in moisture. The combination of
copper and steel would then rapidly corrode to give a noisy fracture
which was constantly being moved by the wind.
they adopted ADSL in 2005, it worked, but there were more drop outs than
I'd have expected (they were quite close to the exchange) I managed to
get the ISP (Pipex) to send Openreach to investigate. First thing the
chap did was change the dropwire to the reinforced twisted pair type.
Instant cure.
Now that POTS is being phased out, and old Landlines are being
transferred over to 'Digital Voice', how should we refer to the new connection? 'Landline' is now wrong, as it isn't one; but it's still the
same old number, mostly, it often uses the same handset, and 'Landline'
is how it used to be referred to.
Answers on a postcard, please. Which, being delivered by Royal Mail,
might not reach its destination.
Now that POTS is being phased out, and old Landlines are being
transferred over to 'Digital Voice', how should we refer to the new connection? 'Landline' is now wrong, as it isn't one; but it's still the
same old number, mostly, it often uses the same handset, and 'Landline'
is how it used to be referred to.
Answers on a postcard, please. Which, being delivered by Royal Mail,
might not reach its destination.
Now that POTS is being phased out, and old Landlines are being
transferred over to 'Digital Voice', how should we refer to the new connection? 'Landline' is now wrong, as it isn't one; but it's still the
same old number, mostly, it often uses the same handset, and 'Landline'
is how it used to be referred to.
Answers on a postcard, please. Which, being delivered by Royal Mail,
might not reach its destination.
Davey <davey@example.invalid> wrote:
Now that POTS is being phased out, and old Landlines are being
transferred over to 'Digital Voice', how should we refer to the new
connection? 'Landline' is now wrong, as it isn't one; but it's still the
same old number, mostly, it often uses the same handset, and 'Landline'
is how it used to be referred to.
Answers on a postcard, please. Which, being delivered by Royal Mail,
might not reach its destination.
'fixed phone' or 'static phone' as distinct from 'mobile phone'?
s/phone/line if preferred
Davey <davey@example.invalid> wrote:
Now that POTS is being phased out, and old Landlines are being
transferred over to 'Digital Voice', how should we refer to the new
connection? 'Landline' is now wrong, as it isn't one; but it's still the
same old number, mostly, it often uses the same handset, and 'Landline'
is how it used to be referred to.
Answers on a postcard, please. Which, being delivered by Royal Mail,
might not reach its destination.
'fixed phone' or 'static phone' as distinct from 'mobile phone'?
s/phone/line if preferred
snipeco.2@gmail.com (Sn!pe) writes:
Davey <davey@example.invalid> wrote:
Now that POTS is being phased out, and old Landlines are being
transferred over to 'Digital Voice', how should we refer to the new
connection? 'Landline' is now wrong, as it isn't one; but it's still the >>> same old number, mostly, it often uses the same handset, and 'Landline'
is how it used to be referred to.
Answers on a postcard, please. Which, being delivered by Royal Mail,
might not reach its destination.
'fixed phone' or 'static phone' as distinct from 'mobile phone'?
s/phone/line if preferred
Stationary phone. Keep a pen and paper beside it.
On 19/03/2026 14:33, Richmond wrote:
snipeco.2@gmail.com (Sn!pe) writes:
Davey <davey@example.invalid> wrote:
Now that POTS is being phased out, and old Landlines are being
transferred over to 'Digital Voice', how should we refer to the
new connection? 'Landline' is now wrong, as it isn't one; but
it's still the same old number, mostly, it often uses the same
handset, and 'Landline' is how it used to be referred to.
Answers on a postcard, please. Which, being delivered by Royal
Mail, might not reach its destination.
'fixed phone' or 'static phone' as distinct from 'mobile phone'?
s/phone/line if preferred
Stationary phone. Keep a pen and paper beside it.
Except it doesn't have to be., SIP servers are globally accessible
On 19/03/2026 14:20, Sn!pe wrote:
Davey <davey@example.invalid> wrote:
Now that POTS is being phased out, and old Landlines are being
transferred over to 'Digital Voice', how should we refer to the new
connection? 'Landline' is now wrong, as it isn't one; but it's still the >> same old number, mostly, it often uses the same handset, and 'Landline'
is how it used to be referred to.
Answers on a postcard, please. Which, being delivered by Royal Mail,
might not reach its destination.
'fixed phone' or 'static phone' as distinct from 'mobile phone'?
s/phone/line if preferred
Of course one of the great things about VOIP is that you can answer a
phone with a local number anywhere in the world...
The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> wrote:
On 19/03/2026 14:20, Sn!pe wrote:
Davey <davey@example.invalid> wrote:
Now that POTS is being phased out, and old Landlines are being
transferred over to 'Digital Voice', how should we refer to the
new connection? 'Landline' is now wrong, as it isn't one; but
it's still the same old number, mostly, it often uses the same
handset, and 'Landline' is how it used to be referred to.
Answers on a postcard, please. Which, being delivered by Royal
Mail, might not reach its destination.
'fixed phone' or 'static phone' as distinct from 'mobile phone'?
s/phone/line if preferred
Of course one of the great things about VOIP is that you can answer
a phone with a local number anywhere in the world...
True, but the discussion is about the physical line, isn't it?
On Thu, 19 Mar 2026 15:36:28 +0000
snipeco.2@gmail.com (Sn!pe) wrote:
The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> wrote:
On 19/03/2026 14:20, Sn!pe wrote:
Davey <davey@example.invalid> wrote:
Now that POTS is being phased out, and old Landlines are being
transferred over to 'Digital Voice', how should we refer to the
new connection? 'Landline' is now wrong, as it isn't one; but
it's still the same old number, mostly, it often uses the same
handset, and 'Landline' is how it used to be referred to.
Answers on a postcard, please. Which, being delivered by Royal
Mail, might not reach its destination.
'fixed phone' or 'static phone' as distinct from 'mobile phone'?
s/phone/line if preferred
Of course one of the great things about VOIP is that you can answer
a phone with a local number anywhere in the world...
True, but the discussion is about the physical line, isn't it?
Indeed, that was the original question, what to call the replacement?
The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> wrote:
On 19/03/2026 14:20, Sn!pe wrote:
Davey <davey@example.invalid> wrote:
Now that POTS is being phased out, and old Landlines are being
transferred over to 'Digital Voice', how should we refer to the new
connection? 'Landline' is now wrong, as it isn't one; but it's still the >>>> same old number, mostly, it often uses the same handset, and 'Landline' >>>> is how it used to be referred to.
Answers on a postcard, please. Which, being delivered by Royal Mail,
might not reach its destination.
'fixed phone' or 'static phone' as distinct from 'mobile phone'?
s/phone/line if preferred
Of course one of the great things about VOIP is that you can answer a
phone with a local number anywhere in the world...
True, but the discussion is about the physical line, isn't it?
On 19/03/2026 15:36, Sn!pe wrote:
The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> wrote:
On 19/03/2026 14:20, Sn!pe wrote:True, but the discussion is about the physical line, isn't it?
Davey <davey@example.invalid> wrote:Of course one of the great things about VOIP is that you can
Now that POTS is being phased out, and old Landlines are being
transferred over to 'Digital Voice', how should we refer to the new
connection? 'Landline' is now wrong, as it isn't one; but it's still the >>>>> same old number, mostly, it often uses the same handset, and 'Landline' >>>>> is how it used to be referred to.
Answers on a postcard, please. Which, being delivered by Royal Mail, >>>>> might not reach its destination.
'fixed phone' or 'static phone' as distinct from 'mobile phone'?
s/phone/line if preferred
answer a
phone with a local number anywhere in the world...
Exactly. It's still a landline, as distinct from a mobile/cell phone
which uses a radio signal. It's a line which is now fibre rather than
copper wire, and still runs underground, or "under the land".
Anyway, all these terms have become flexible. Now and again with a
mobile phone you can still get asked to "hold the line, please". And
how long has it been since a number was /actually/ dialled?!
Davey <davey@example.invalid> writes:
On Thu, 19 Mar 2026 15:36:28 +0000
snipeco.2@gmail.com (Sn!pe) wrote:
The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> wrote:
On 19/03/2026 14:20, Sn!pe wrote:
Davey <davey@example.invalid> wrote:
Now that POTS is being phased out, and old Landlines are being
transferred over to 'Digital Voice', how should we refer to
the new connection? 'Landline' is now wrong, as it isn't one;
but it's still the same old number, mostly, it often uses the
same handset, and 'Landline' is how it used to be referred to.
Answers on a postcard, please. Which, being delivered by Royal
Mail, might not reach its destination.
'fixed phone' or 'static phone' as distinct from 'mobile
phone'?
s/phone/line if preferred
Of course one of the great things about VOIP is that you can
answer a phone with a local number anywhere in the world...
True, but the discussion is about the physical line, isn't it?
Indeed, that was the original question, what to call the
replacement?
Even the physical lines were mobile, because Openreach can cut through
them and stick them in a wheely bin, without asking.
Stationary phone. Keep a pen and paper beside it.Ah - a stationary stationery 'phone!
On Thu, 19 Mar 2026 16:04:13 +0000I'm not sure; I could imagine it meaning "what would we say in place of
Richmond <dnomhcir@gmx.com> wrote:
Davey <davey@example.invalid> writes:
On Thu, 19 Mar 2026 15:36:28 +0000
snipeco.2@gmail.com (Sn!pe) wrote:
The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> wrote:
On 19/03/2026 14:20, Sn!pe wrote:
Davey <davey@example.invalid> wrote:
Now that POTS is being phased out, and old Landlines are being
transferred over to 'Digital Voice', how should we refer to
the new connection? 'Landline' is now wrong, as it isn't one;
but it's still the same old number, mostly, it often uses the
same handset, and 'Landline' is how it used to be referred to.
Answers on a postcard, please. Which, being delivered by Royal
Mail, might not reach its destination.
'fixed phone' or 'static phone' as distinct from 'mobile
phone'?
s/phone/line if preferred
Of course one of the great things about VOIP is that you can
answer a phone with a local number anywhere in the world...
True, but the discussion is about the physical line, isn't it?
[]
Indeed, that was the original question, what to call the
replacement?
Anyway, all these terms have become flexible. Now and again with a
mobile phone you can still get asked to "hold the line, please". And
how long has it been since a number was /actually/ dialled?!
It can go underground or overground, wombling free.
On Thu, 19 Mar 2026 14:41:05 +0000
The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> wrote:
On 19/03/2026 14:33, Richmond wrote:
snipeco.2@gmail.com (Sn!pe) writes:
Davey <davey@example.invalid> wrote:
Now that POTS is being phased out, and old Landlines are being
transferred over to 'Digital Voice', how should we refer to the
new connection? 'Landline' is now wrong, as it isn't one; but
it's still the same old number, mostly, it often uses the same
handset, and 'Landline' is how it used to be referred to.
Answers on a postcard, please. Which, being delivered by Royal
Mail, might not reach its destination.
'fixed phone' or 'static phone' as distinct from 'mobile phone'?
s/phone/line if preferred
Stationary phone. Keep a pen and paper beside it.
Except it doesn't have to be., SIP servers are globally accessible
Even DECT 'phones go anywhere in the house and garden.
On Thu, 19 Mar 2026 15:36:28 +0000
snipeco.2@gmail.com (Sn!pe) wrote:
The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> wrote:
On 19/03/2026 14:20, Sn!pe wrote:
Davey <davey@example.invalid> wrote:
Now that POTS is being phased out, and old Landlines are being
transferred over to 'Digital Voice', how should we refer to the
new connection? 'Landline' is now wrong, as it isn't one; but
it's still the same old number, mostly, it often uses the same
handset, and 'Landline' is how it used to be referred to.
Answers on a postcard, please. Which, being delivered by Royal
Mail, might not reach its destination.
'fixed phone' or 'static phone' as distinct from 'mobile phone'?
s/phone/line if preferred
Of course one of the great things about VOIP is that you can answer
a phone with a local number anywhere in the world...
True, but the discussion is about the physical line, isn't it?
Indeed, that was the original question, what to call the replacement?
On 2026/3/19 17:27:11, Davey wrote:
On Thu, 19 Mar 2026 16:04:13 +0000I'm not sure; I could imagine it meaning "what would we say in place of
Richmond <dnomhcir@gmx.com> wrote:
Davey <davey@example.invalid> writes:
On Thu, 19 Mar 2026 15:36:28 +0000
snipeco.2@gmail.com (Sn!pe) wrote:
The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> wrote:
On 19/03/2026 14:20, Sn!pe wrote:
Davey <davey@example.invalid> wrote:
Now that POTS is being phased out, and old Landlines are being >>>>>>>> transferred over to 'Digital Voice', how should we refer to
the new connection? 'Landline' is now wrong, as it isn't one;
but it's still the same old number, mostly, it often uses the
same handset, and 'Landline' is how it used to be referred to. >>>>>>>> Answers on a postcard, please. Which, being delivered by Royal >>>>>>>> Mail, might not reach its destination.
'fixed phone' or 'static phone' as distinct from 'mobile
phone'?
s/phone/line if preferred
Of course one of the great things about VOIP is that you can
answer a phone with a local number anywhere in the world...
True, but the discussion is about the physical line, isn't it?
'here is my landline number' when giving it to someone".
[]
Indeed, that was the original question, what to call the
replacement?
AIUI, you can use you ATA (or VoIP 'phone), once registered, anywhere?
(So location-by-dialling-code will cease to be reliable, or eventually
even valid?)
On 19/03/2026 15:36, Sn!pe wrote:
The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> wrote:
On 19/03/2026 14:20, Sn!pe wrote:
Davey <davey@example.invalid> wrote:
Now that POTS is being phased out, and old Landlines are being
transferred over to 'Digital Voice', how should we refer to the new
connection? 'Landline' is now wrong, as it isn't one; but it's still the >>>>> same old number, mostly, it often uses the same handset, and 'Landline' >>>>> is how it used to be referred to.
Answers on a postcard, please. Which, being delivered by Royal Mail, >>>>> might not reach its destination.
'fixed phone' or 'static phone' as distinct from 'mobile phone'?
s/phone/line if preferred
Of course one of the great things about VOIP is that you can answer a
phone with a local number anywhere in the world...
True, but the discussion is about the physical line, isn't it?
Exactly. It's still a landline, as distinct from a mobile/cell phone
which uses a radio signal. It's a line which is now fibre rather than
copper wire, and still runs underground, or "under the land".
Now that POTS is being phased out, and old Landlines are being
transferred over to 'Digital Voice', how should we refer to the new >connection? 'Landline' is now wrong, as it isn't one; but it's still the
same old number, mostly, it often uses the same handset, and 'Landline'
is how it used to be referred to.
Answers on a postcard, please. Which, being delivered by Royal Mail,
might not reach its destination.
The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> wrote:
On 19/03/2026 14:20, Sn!pe wrote:
Davey <davey@example.invalid> wrote:
Now that POTS is being phased out, and old Landlines are being
transferred over to 'Digital Voice', how should we refer to the new
connection? 'Landline' is now wrong, as it isn't one; but it's still the >>>> same old number, mostly, it often uses the same handset, and 'Landline' >>>> is how it used to be referred to.
Answers on a postcard, please. Which, being delivered by Royal Mail,
might not reach its destination.
'fixed phone' or 'static phone' as distinct from 'mobile phone'?
s/phone/line if preferred
Of course one of the great things about VOIP is that you can answer a
phone with a local number anywhere in the world...
True, but the discussion is about the physical line, isn't it?
On 19/03/2026 15:36, Sn!pe wrote:
The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> wrote:
On 19/03/2026 14:20, Sn!pe wrote:
Davey <davey@example.invalid> wrote:Of course one of the great things about VOIP is that you can answer a
Now that POTS is being phased out, and old Landlines are being
transferred over to 'Digital Voice', how should we refer to the new
connection? 'Landline' is now wrong, as it isn't one; but it's
still the
same old number, mostly, it often uses the same handset, and
'Landline'
is how it used to be referred to.
Answers on a postcard, please. Which, being delivered by Royal Mail, >>>>> might not reach its destination.
'fixed phone' or 'static phone' as distinct from 'mobile phone'?
s/phone/line-a if preferred
phone with a local number anywhere in the world...
True, but the discussion is about the physical line, isn't it?
Exactly. It's still a landline, as distinct from a mobile/cell phone
which uses a radio signal. It's a line which is now fibre rather than
copper wire, and still runs underground, or "under the land".
Anyway, all these terms have become flexible. Now and again with a
mobile phone you can still get asked to "hold the line, please". And how long has it been since a number was /actually/ dialled?!
I now leaning towards xxxxxx = VOIP, this is my VOIP number, it used
to be my landline/home phone number.
On Thu 19/03/2026 18:55, J. P. Gilliver wrote:
On 2026/3/19 17:27:11, Davey wrote:
On Thu, 19 Mar 2026 16:04:13 +0000I'm not sure; I could imagine it meaning "what would we say in place
Richmond <dnomhcir@gmx.com> wrote:
Davey <davey@example.invalid> writes:
On Thu, 19 Mar 2026 15:36:28 +0000
snipeco.2@gmail.com (Sn!pe) wrote:
The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> wrote:
On 19/03/2026 14:20, Sn!pe wrote:
Davey <davey@example.invalid> wrote:Of course one of the great things about VOIP is that you can
Now that POTS is being phased out, and old Landlines are being >>>>>>>>> transferred over to 'Digital Voice', how should we refer to
the new connection? 'Landline' is now wrong, as it isn't one; >>>>>>>>> but it's still the same old number, mostly, it often uses the >>>>>>>>> same handset, and 'Landline' is how it used to be referred to. >>>>>>>>> Answers on a postcard, please. Which, being delivered by Royal >>>>>>>>> Mail, might not reach its destination.
'fixed phone' or 'static phone' as distinct from 'mobile
phone'?
s/phone/line if preferred
answer a phone with a local number anywhere in the world...
True, but the discussion is about the physical line, isn't it?
of 'here is my landline number' when giving it to someone".
Indeed, that was the original question, what to call the
replacement? >> [] >> AIUI, you can use you ATA (or VoIP 'phone),
once registered, anywhere? >> (So location-by-dialling-code will
cease to be reliable, or eventually >> even valid?)
Correct - and it works a treat, just as having a softphone on your
mobile does so you can answer your call anywhere.
The great advantage of using VoIP is that it logs in via your UK VoIP provider so calling someone in the UK from, say, Italy is treated as
if the call had been made in the UK. It still uses your data though!
On 19/03/2026 16:12, Jeff Layman wrote:
On 19/03/2026 15:36, Sn!pe wrote:No., That is not the phone line, That is merely a fixed location
The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> wrote:
On 19/03/2026 14:20, Sn!pe wrote:
Davey <davey@example.invalid> wrote:Of course one of the great things about VOIP is that you can answer a
Now that POTS is being phased out, and old Landlines are being
transferred over to 'Digital Voice', how should we refer to the new >>>>>> connection? 'Landline' is now wrong, as it isn't one; but it's
still the
same old number, mostly, it often uses the same handset, and
'Landline'
is how it used to be referred to.
Answers on a postcard, please. Which, being delivered by Royal Mail, >>>>>> might not reach its destination.
'fixed phone' or 'static phone' as distinct from 'mobile phone'?
s/phone/line-a if preferred
phone with a local number anywhere in the world...
True, but the discussion is about the physical line, isn't it?
Exactly. It's still a landline, as distinct from a mobile/cell phone
which uses a radio signal. It's a line which is now fibre rather than
copper wire, and still runs underground, or "under the land".
broadband link and has little if anything to do with the services
running over it
--Anyway, all these terms have become flexible. Now and again with a
mobile phone you can still get asked to "hold the line, please". And how
long has it been since a number was /actually/ dialled?!
On 19/03/2026 20:46, AnthonyL wrote:
I now leaning towards xxxxxx = VOIP, this is my VOIP number, it used
to be my landline/home phone number.
Probably too sensible to be acceptable
Out of interest, where there's the last piece of FTTP carried overground from a telephone pole to a house, is it still referred to as a
"dropwire" or something else?
On 2026/3/19 20:52:56, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
On 19/03/2026 20:46, AnthonyL wrote:Depends whether you say vee-oh-eye-pee or voyp. I think the former would
I now leaning towards xxxxxx = VOIP, this is my VOIP number, it used
to be my landline/home phone number.
Probably too sensible to be acceptable
be too much of a mouthful; the latter might be usable.
On 19/03/2026 22:19, Jeff Layman wrote:
Out of interest, where there's the last piece of FTTP carriedI think that's how the engineer referred to mine...
overground from a telephone pole to a house, is it still referred
to as a "dropwire" or something else?
On 20/03/2026 00:52, J. P. Gilliver wrote:
On 2026/3/19 20:52:56, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
On 19/03/2026 20:46, AnthonyL wrote:Depends whether you say vee-oh-eye-pee or voyp. I think the former
I now leaning towards xxxxxx = VOIP, this is my VOIP number, it
used to be my landline/home phone number.
Probably too sensible to be acceptable
would be too much of a mouthful; the latter might be usable.
I say voyp
On Fri, 20 Mar 2026 06:52:32 +0000
The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> wrote:
On 19/03/2026 22:19, Jeff Layman wrote:
Out of interest, where there's the last piece of FTTP carriedI think that's how the engineer referred to mine...
overground from a telephone pole to a house, is it still referred
to as a "dropwire" or something else?
Somehow 'Dropfibre' or 'Dropglass' just don't sound right.
A cable doesn't have to be metal. Drop cable is probably a decent way to describe itOn 19/03/2026 22:19, Jeff Layman wrote:
Out of interest, where there's the last piece of FTTP carriedI think that's how the engineer referred to mine...
overground from a telephone pole to a house, is it still referred
to as a "dropwire" or something else?
Somehow 'Dropfibre' or 'Dropglass' just don't sound right.
On Fri, 20 Mar 2026 06:53:20 +0000
The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> wrote:
On 20/03/2026 00:52, J. P. Gilliver wrote:
On 2026/3/19 20:52:56, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
On 19/03/2026 20:46, AnthonyL wrote:Depends whether you say vee-oh-eye-pee or voyp. I think the former
I now leaning towards xxxxxx = VOIP, this is my VOIP number, it
used to be my landline/home phone number.
Probably too sensible to be acceptable
would be too much of a mouthful; the latter might be usable.
I say voyp
Watch out for the BBC to refer to it as 'Voip', in the same way that
they refer to 'NASA' as 'Nasa'. Heathens.
On 20/03/2026 07:38, Davey wrote:
On Fri, 20 Mar 2026 06:53:20 +0000
The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> wrote:
On 20/03/2026 00:52, J. P. Gilliver wrote:
On 2026/3/19 20:52:56, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
On 19/03/2026 20:46, AnthonyL wrote:Depends whether you say vee-oh-eye-pee or voyp. I think the former
I now leaning towards xxxxxx = VOIP, this is my VOIP number, it
used to be my landline/home phone number.
Probably too sensible to be acceptable
would be too much of a mouthful; the latter might be usable.
I say voyp
Watch out for the BBC to refer to it as 'Voip', in the same way that
they refer to 'NASA' as 'Nasa'. Heathens.
<https://www.facebook.com/groups/spacehipsters/posts/8388908267820649/>
I couldn't find anything obvious on www.nasa.gov as to their
"official" pronunciation.
Now that POTS is being phased out, and old Landlines are being
transferred over to 'Digital Voice', how should we refer to the new connection? 'Landline' is now wrong, as it isn't one; but it's still the
same old number, mostly, it often uses the same handset, and 'Landline'
is how it used to be referred to.
On 19/03/2026 20:46, AnthonyL wrote:
I now leaning towards xxxxxx = VOIP, this is my VOIP number, it used
to be my landline/home phone number.
Probably too sensible to be acceptable
On 20/03/2026 08:53, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
A cable doesn't have to be metal. Drop cable is probably a decent way toOn 19/03/2026 22:19, Jeff Layman wrote:
Out of interest, where there's the last piece of FTTP carriedI think that's how the engineer referred to mine...
overground from a telephone pole to a house, is it still referred
to as a "dropwire" or something else?
Somehow 'Dropfibre' or 'Dropglass' just don't sound right.
describe it
I'd be happy with that.
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