The third replacement attempt, a Nokia 235 4G (2024), has just arrived. Exactly like the Alcatel, turning off the keypad bleeps turns off the
ring tone, so I won't be able to hear when there are incoming calls.
!!!!!!!
Liz Tuddenham <liz@poppyrecords.invalid.invalid> wrote:
The third replacement attempt, a Nokia 235 4G (2024), has just arrived. Exactly like the Alcatel, turning off the keypad bleeps turns off the
ring tone, so I won't be able to hear when there are incoming calls. !!!!!!!
Are you sure you have the right setting? Usually 'volume' controls all
tones, and if you put the phone in silent then you also silence the keypad. But there's typically another setting for keypad tones alone.
The 'user guide' is only 16 pages excluding legalese and doesn't explain the settings, but it appears to have multiple profiles (Menu > Settings > Profiles) and on other Nokias you set keypad tones inside profile settings.
Theo <theom+news@chiark.greenend.org.uk> wrote:
Liz Tuddenham <liz@poppyrecords.invalid.invalid> wrote:
The third replacement attempt, a Nokia 235 4G (2024), has just
arrived. Exactly like the Alcatel, turning off the keypad bleeps
turns off the ring tone, so I won't be able to hear when there
are incoming calls. !!!!!!!
Are you sure you have the right setting? Usually 'volume' controls
all tones, and if you put the phone in silent then you also silence
the keypad. But there's typically another setting for keypad tones
alone.
The 'user guide' is only 16 pages excluding legalese and doesn't
explain the settings, but it appears to have multiple profiles
(Menu > Settings > Profiles) and on other Nokias you set keypad
tones inside profile settings.
Thanks for that. I've eventually managed to discover those other
options, despite the menus in the manual not corresponding to those in
the 'phone, so the main problem is solved.
A relatively minor matter still remaining is the actual ringtone. I
have been using a customised ringtone for the last 9 years, so that I
can recognise my own 'phone even if it rings in a noisy place and is
set to low volume. The ringtone is on a MicroSD card in .mp3 format
and is about 1MB in size.
The ringtone menu offers me a choice of my own sound file but claims
.mp3 is an unrecognised file format. I can also opt to just play the
file as if it were entertainment that I wanted to listen to. Again,
it refuses with "Unrecognised file format".
Surely they can't have failed to include an .mp3 reader - if they
have, what sense is there in having a slot for a MicroSD card, when
most of what people would record on it couldn't be played?
On Thu, 19 Mar 2026 09:25:13 +0000
liz@poppyrecords.invalid.invalid (Liz Tuddenham) wrote:
Theo <theom+news@chiark.greenend.org.uk> wrote:
Liz Tuddenham <liz@poppyrecords.invalid.invalid> wrote:
The third replacement attempt, a Nokia 235 4G (2024), has just
arrived. Exactly like the Alcatel, turning off the keypad bleeps
turns off the ring tone, so I won't be able to hear when there
are incoming calls. !!!!!!!
Are you sure you have the right setting? Usually 'volume' controls
all tones, and if you put the phone in silent then you also silence
the keypad. But there's typically another setting for keypad tones
alone.
The 'user guide' is only 16 pages excluding legalese and doesn't
explain the settings, but it appears to have multiple profiles
(Menu > Settings > Profiles) and on other Nokias you set keypad
tones inside profile settings.
Thanks for that. I've eventually managed to discover those other
options, despite the menus in the manual not corresponding to those in
the 'phone, so the main problem is solved.
A relatively minor matter still remaining is the actual ringtone. I
have been using a customised ringtone for the last 9 years, so that I
can recognise my own 'phone even if it rings in a noisy place and is
set to low volume. The ringtone is on a MicroSD card in .mp3 format
and is about 1MB in size.
The ringtone menu offers me a choice of my own sound file but claims
.mp3 is an unrecognised file format. I can also opt to just play the
file as if it were entertainment that I wanted to listen to. Again,
it refuses with "Unrecognised file format".
Surely they can't have failed to include an .mp3 reader - if they
have, what sense is there in having a slot for a MicroSD card, when
most of what people would record on it couldn't be played?
I can't answer that, but can't you just convert the .mp3 file to one
that is recognised? Handbrake is good at that, also try VLC.
Davey <davey@example.invalid> wrote:
On Thu, 19 Mar 2026 09:25:13 +0000
liz@poppyrecords.invalid.invalid (Liz Tuddenham) wrote:
Theo <theom+news@chiark.greenend.org.uk> wrote:
Liz Tuddenham <liz@poppyrecords.invalid.invalid> wrote:
The third replacement attempt, a Nokia 235 4G (2024), has just arrived. Exactly like the Alcatel, turning off the keypad
bleeps turns off the ring tone, so I won't be able to hear
when there are incoming calls. !!!!!!!
Are you sure you have the right setting? Usually 'volume'
controls all tones, and if you put the phone in silent then you
also silence the keypad. But there's typically another setting
for keypad tones alone.
The 'user guide' is only 16 pages excluding legalese and doesn't explain the settings, but it appears to have multiple profiles
(Menu > Settings > Profiles) and on other Nokias you set keypad
tones inside profile settings.
Thanks for that. I've eventually managed to discover those other options, despite the menus in the manual not corresponding to
those in the 'phone, so the main problem is solved.
A relatively minor matter still remaining is the actual ringtone.
I have been using a customised ringtone for the last 9 years, so
that I can recognise my own 'phone even if it rings in a noisy
place and is set to low volume. The ringtone is on a MicroSD
card in .mp3 format and is about 1MB in size.
The ringtone menu offers me a choice of my own sound file but
claims .mp3 is an unrecognised file format. I can also opt to
just play the file as if it were entertainment that I wanted to
listen to. Again, it refuses with "Unrecognised file format".
Surely they can't have failed to include an .mp3 reader - if they
have, what sense is there in having a slot for a MicroSD card,
when most of what people would record on it couldn't be played?
I can't answer that, but can't you just convert the .mp3 file to one
that is recognised? Handbrake is good at that, also try VLC.
It appears from some sources that .mp3 should be a recognised format.
I suspect thre have been several versions of this 'phone but they
aren't documented correctly. The hardware is fine but the software
is a mess.
A relatively minor matter still remaining is the actual ringtone. I
have been using a customised ringtone for the last 9 years, so that I
can recognise my own 'phone even if it rings in a noisy place and is
set to low volume. The ringtone is on a MicroSD card in .mp3 format
and is about 1MB in size.
It appears from some sources that .mp3 should be a recognised format. I suspect thre have been several versions of this 'phone but they aren't documented correctly. The hardware is fine but the software is a mess.
The ringtone menu offers me a choice of my own sound file but claims
.mp3 is an unrecognised file format. I can also opt to just play the
file as if it were entertainment that I wanted to listen to. Again, it refuses with "Unrecognised file format".
Surely they can't have failed to include an .mp3 reader - if they have,
what sense is there in having a slot for a MicroSD card, when most of
what people would record on it couldn't be played?
On Thu, 19 Mar 2026 11:01:31 +0000
liz@poppyrecords.invalid.invalid (Liz Tuddenham) wrote:
Davey <davey@example.invalid> wrote:
On Thu, 19 Mar 2026 09:25:13 +0000
liz@poppyrecords.invalid.invalid (Liz Tuddenham) wrote:
Theo <theom+news@chiark.greenend.org.uk> wrote:
Liz Tuddenham <liz@poppyrecords.invalid.invalid> wrote:
The third replacement attempt, a Nokia 235 4G (2024), has just
arrived. Exactly like the Alcatel, turning off the keypad
bleeps turns off the ring tone, so I won't be able to hear
when there are incoming calls. !!!!!!!
Are you sure you have the right setting? Usually 'volume'
controls all tones, and if you put the phone in silent then you
also silence the keypad. But there's typically another setting
for keypad tones alone.
The 'user guide' is only 16 pages excluding legalese and doesn't
explain the settings, but it appears to have multiple profiles
(Menu > Settings > Profiles) and on other Nokias you set keypad
tones inside profile settings.
Thanks for that. I've eventually managed to discover those other
options, despite the menus in the manual not corresponding to
those in the 'phone, so the main problem is solved.
A relatively minor matter still remaining is the actual ringtone.
I have been using a customised ringtone for the last 9 years, so
that I can recognise my own 'phone even if it rings in a noisy
place and is set to low volume. The ringtone is on a MicroSD
card in .mp3 format and is about 1MB in size.
The ringtone menu offers me a choice of my own sound file but
claims .mp3 is an unrecognised file format. I can also opt to
just play the file as if it were entertainment that I wanted to
listen to. Again, it refuses with "Unrecognised file format".
Surely they can't have failed to include an .mp3 reader - if they
have, what sense is there in having a slot for a MicroSD card,
when most of what people would record on it couldn't be played?
I can't answer that, but can't you just convert the .mp3 file to one
that is recognised? Handbrake is good at that, also try VLC.
It appears from some sources that .mp3 should be a recognised format.
I suspect thre have been several versions of this 'phone but they
aren't documented correctly. The hardware is fine but the software
is a mess.
So you either change the 'phone or use a format that it recognises.
My Nokia and my car both speak Bluetooth, and they will Pair, but come
back the next day, and they will see each other, but will have a
Failure to Communicate until the process is restarted from scratch.
On Thu 19/03/2026 11:31, Davey wrote:
On Thu, 19 Mar 2026 11:01:31 +0000
liz@poppyrecords.invalid.invalid (Liz Tuddenham) wrote:
Davey <davey@example.invalid> wrote:
On Thu, 19 Mar 2026 09:25:13 +0000
liz@poppyrecords.invalid.invalid (Liz Tuddenham) wrote:
Theo <theom+news@chiark.greenend.org.uk> wrote:
Liz Tuddenham <liz@poppyrecords.invalid.invalid> wrote:
The third replacement attempt, a Nokia 235 4G (2024), has just
arrived. Exactly like the Alcatel, turning off the keypad
bleeps turns off the ring tone, so I won't be able to hear
when there are incoming calls. !!!!!!!
Are you sure you have the right setting? Usually 'volume'
controls all tones, and if you put the phone in silent then you
also silence the keypad. But there's typically another setting
for keypad tones alone.
The 'user guide' is only 16 pages excluding legalese and doesn't
explain the settings, but it appears to have multiple profiles
(Menu > Settings > Profiles) and on other Nokias you set keypad
tones inside profile settings.
Thanks for that. I've eventually managed to discover those other
options, despite the menus in the manual not corresponding to
those in the 'phone, so the main problem is solved.
A relatively minor matter still remaining is the actual ringtone.
I have been using a customised ringtone for the last 9 years,
so that I can recognise my own 'phone even if it rings in a noisy
place and is set to low volume. The ringtone is on a MicroSD
card in .mp3 format and is about 1MB in size.
The ringtone menu offers me a choice of my own sound file but
claims .mp3 is an unrecognised file format. I can also opt to
just play the file as if it were entertainment that I wanted to
listen to. Again, it refuses with "Unrecognised file format".
Surely they can't have failed to include an .mp3 reader - if they
have, what sense is there in having a slot for a MicroSD card,
when most of what people would record on it couldn't be played?
I can't answer that, but can't you just convert the .mp3 file to
one that is recognised? Handbrake is good at that, also try VLC.
It appears from some sources that .mp3 should be a recognised
format. I suspect thre have been several versions of this 'phone
but they aren't documented correctly. The hardware is fine but
the software is a mess.
So you either change the 'phone or use a format that it recognises.
My Nokia and my car both speak Bluetooth, and they will Pair, but
come back the next day, and they will see each other, but will have
a Failure to Communicate until the process is restarted from
scratch.
I have that problem with USB sticks in my car which may be relevant
to you Davey.
In all of our previous cars (VAG) the power to the stick goes off
with the ignition, but on our Karoq the USB-C sockets in the dash are permanently live. Ergo when the 'Infotainment' unit comes to life by
hand or by ignition the unit fails to see the stick or rather it sees
the stick but cannot find and contents. De-power the stick for five
seconds, plug it back in and it works. Could this relate to your
issue.
On 19/03/2026 09:25, Liz Tuddenham wrote:
The ringtone menu offers me a choice of my own sound file but claims
.mp3 is an unrecognised file format. I can also opt to just play the
file as if it were entertainment that I wanted to listen to. Again, it refuses with "Unrecognised file format".
Very odd.
Maybe the fie is corrupt in a way that the old phone did not bother about
Surely they can't have failed to include an .mp3 reader - if they have, what sense is there in having a slot for a MicroSD card, when most of
what people would record on it couldn't be played?
I am sure that have not failed. It is some quirk of that particular file.
Try converting it to .wav, and back again to MP3
On 2026/3/19 11:1:31, Liz Tuddenham wrote:
[]
A relatively minor matter still remaining is the actual ringtone. I
have been using a customised ringtone for the last 9 years, so that I
can recognise my own 'phone even if it rings in a noisy place and is
set to low volume. The ringtone is on a MicroSD card in .mp3 format
Makes sense.
and is about 1MB in size.
How long is it?
[]
It appears from some sources that .mp3 should be a recognised format. I suspect thre have been several versions of this 'phone but they aren't documented correctly. The hardware is fine but the software is a mess.
Another thought: is it an unusual sample and/or data rate? Not sure
about anything as sophisticated as (even a simple) 'phone, but I've had
(I think) hardware MP3 players that won't hamdle certain combinations there.
Just for curiosity - I did have (I can't find it now) one mp3 file that played quite satisfactorily quality-wise (on a computer, anyway),
despite having a data rate of 8 kbps; it was of an alpine horn solo,
which might be why - single notes, a fairly simple waveform, slow
changes. (If you try to play something fast on an alphorn, you'll have finished before the sound comes out the other end ...)
I doubted if anyone else would have a ringtone
remotely like it, so I wouldn't be confused by other people's 'phones ringing.
This is a piano rendition of a moderate speed waltz ("Secrets" by
Charles. Ancliffe) - I chose it because it was a played by a friend for
a CD that was never issued - it seemed a shame to waste such a lovely >reocording - and because I doubted if anyone else would have a ringtone >remotely like it, so I wouldn't be confused by other people's 'phones >ringing.
I queried this with Motorola, and the upshot was their
declaration:
"Dear Customer
This is just the way the unit was designed.
When you select a Ringer Id for anyone, then whenever they send
you a TXT, Fax, email or call you, then the Ringer ID you have
selected for that person, will go off."
Chris J Dixon <chris@cdixon.me.uk> wrote:
I queried this with Motorola, and the upshot was their
declaration:
"Dear Customer
This is just the way the unit was designed.
When you select a Ringer Id for anyone, then whenever they send
you a TXT, Fax, email or call you, then the Ringer ID you have
selected for that person, will go off."
Typical!
They are doing 100% better than Nokia at the moment - I still haven't
had a proper reply to my enquiry.
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