does such a TV exist so I can then use Freesat*, Freeview** and Freely***
I am in the market for new TVs.
I currently have Freesat and Freeview to all TV locations along with
Cat6e ethernet and also non-Freesat satellite feeds.
So as per header, does such a TV exist so I can then use Freesat*, Freeview** and Freely*** and also do all the Apps that I currently have
on my Roku Sticks*** (ITVX, Netflix, Prime, Disney, BBC iPlayer, All4
and My5)
* Yes I know that Freesat is going to close at some point in the future.
I currently have STBs over HDMI on each of my TV's on Astra1 @ 19.2E, Hotbird @ 13.0E, Hispasat at 30.0W & Eutelsat at 5.0W all via DiSEqC.
The plan is that once Freesat closes, I can then dispense with the
external STB and use the TV's DVB-S2 tuner instead.
** Yes I know that Freeview is going to close at some point but I have
an inhouse bank of DVB-T2 modulators, one for each of the CCTV cameras
as it is far easier to fire up the TV and select a TV channel with the remote control than it is to fire up a PC or TV, start a browser, type
in a RTSP URL to view live video all via a remote control.
*** I have Roku sticks on the older TVs so when I replace those TV's I
can then dispense with the Roku sticks and switch from Wi-Fi to wired Ethernet.
SH.
SH wrote:
does such a TV exist so I can then use Freesat*, Freeview** and Freely***
It wouldn't surprise me if the manufacturers have to agree to not
include DVB-S/T tuners in order to licence the Freely branding :-(
SH wrote:
does such a TV exist so I can then use Freesat*, Freeview** and Freely***
It wouldn't surprise me if the manufacturers have to agree to not
include DVB-S/T tuners in order to licence the Freely branding :-(
SH wrote:
does such a TV exist so I can then use Freesat*, Freeview** and Freely***
It wouldn't surprise me if the manufacturers have to agree to not
include DVB-S/T tuners in order to licence the Freely branding :-(
On 05/07/2026 18:58, Andy Burns wrote:
SH wrote:
does such a TV exist so I can then use Freesat*, Freeview** and
Freely***
It wouldn't surprise me if the manufacturers have to agree to not
include DVB-S/T tuners in order to licence the Freely branding :-(
Humax have made a real dogs dinner* trying to integrate hard disk
recording into their freely Aura EZ 4K (FHR-6000T).
Recording only works from content captured from air, from a TV guide
that is completely independent from the freely TV guide. Channel numbers
and names do not match.
I don't see the point of freely other than it hands the gatekeeper to
the broadcasters and accelerates their desire to get folks off the
aerial connection, that can "enjoy" an integrated TV guide that also
doesn't tempt the freedom of time-shift HDD recording.
At the moment, if you want to stream live from the internet, the broadcasters have their apps available on their other boxes for that,
and the previous incantations of tv guides in both youview and freeview
play work well enough - and are much more integrated between live
streaming with shortcuts to apps, and also recording to the hard drive.
So much, that I'm tempted to code my own non-satellite PVR ... how hard
can that be?
On 05/07/2026 18:42, SH wrote:
I am in the market for new TVs.
I currently have Freesat and Freeview to all TV locations along with
Cat6e ethernet and also non-Freesat satellite feeds.
So as per header, does such a TV exist so I can then use Freesat*,
Freeview** and Freely*** and also do all the Apps that I currently
have on my Roku Sticks*** (ITVX, Netflix, Prime, Disney, BBC iPlayer,
All4 and My5)
* Yes I know that Freesat is going to close at some point in the
future. I currently have STBs over HDMI on each of my TV's on Astra1 @
19.2E, Hotbird @ 13.0E, Hispasat at 30.0W & Eutelsat at 5.0W all via
DiSEqC. The plan is that once Freesat closes, I can then dispense with
the external STB and use the TV's DVB-S2 tuner instead.
** Yes I know that Freeview is going to close at some point but I have
an inhouse bank of DVB-T2 modulators, one for each of the CCTV cameras
as it is far easier to fire up the TV and select a TV channel with the
remote control than it is to fire up a PC or TV, start a browser, type
in a RTSP URL to view live video all via a remote control.
*** I have Roku sticks on the older TVs so when I replace those TV's I
can then dispense with the Roku sticks and switch from Wi-Fi to wired
Ethernet.
SH.
I have a couple of Sharp TVs which have sat receivers built in (F type connector on the back)
If you point your dish at the right bird they will pick up all the
Freesat channels, but theres almost no documentation and its a nightmare
to set them up. Theres no "Freesat" mode, so all the channels are thrown
in together
All the usual Android streaming apps are on both sets
One of them is called a "40FH2KA"
On 05/07/2026 18:58, Andy Burns wrote:
SH wrote:
does such a TV exist so I can then use Freesat*, Freeview** and
Freely***
It wouldn't surprise me if the manufacturers have to agree to not
include DVB-S/T tuners in order to licence the Freely branding :-(
Seems you are wrong.
Panasonic TV-55Z90B 55 inch, OLED, 4K HDR Smart TV spec:
Digital Tuner-a-a-a DVB-T/T2/DVB-S2/DVB-C
Analog Tuner-a-a-a-a rCo
Freely-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a Y
On 05/07/2026 18:58, Andy Burns wrote:
SH wrote:
does such a TV exist so I can then use Freesat*, Freeview** and
Freely***
It wouldn't surprise me if the manufacturers have to agree to not
include DVB-S/T tuners in order to licence the Freely branding :-(
Seems you are wrong.
Panasonic TV-55Z90B 55 inch, OLED, 4K HDR Smart TV spec:
Digital Tuner-a-a-a DVB-T/T2/DVB-S2/DVB-C
Analog Tuner-a-a-a-a rCo
Freely-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a Y
On 2026-07-05 20:53, MikeS wrote:
On 05/07/2026 18:58, Andy Burns wrote:
SH wrote:
does such a TV exist so I can then use Freesat*, Freeview** and
Freely***
It wouldn't surprise me if the manufacturers have to agree to not
include DVB-S/T tuners in order to licence the Freely branding :-(
Seems you are wrong.
Panasonic TV-55Z90B 55 inch, OLED, 4K HDR Smart TV spec:
Digital Tuner-a-a-a DVB-T/T2/DVB-S2/DVB-C
Analog Tuner-a-a-a-a rCo
Freely-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a Y
<https://www.panasonic.com/uk/consumer/televisions/4K-OLED-TV/ tv-55z90beb.html>
"HDMI Support Feature-a-a-a HDMI2.1 Support Feature"
I thought HDMI v3.x was the minimum standard to aim for?
I thought HDMI v3.x was the minimum standard to aim for?
On 05/07/2026 18:42, SH wrote:
I am in the market for new TVs.
I currently have Freesat and Freeview to all TV locations along with
Cat6e ethernet and also non-Freesat satellite feeds.
So as per header, does such a TV exist so I can then use Freesat*,
Freeview** and Freely*** and also do all the Apps that I currently
have on my Roku Sticks*** (ITVX, Netflix, Prime, Disney, BBC iPlayer,
All4 and My5)
* Yes I know that Freesat is going to close at some point in the
future. I currently have STBs over HDMI on each of my TV's on Astra1 @
19.2E, Hotbird @ 13.0E, Hispasat at 30.0W & Eutelsat at 5.0W all via
DiSEqC. The plan is that once Freesat closes, I can then dispense with
the external STB and use the TV's DVB-S2 tuner instead.
** Yes I know that Freeview is going to close at some point but I have
an inhouse bank of DVB-T2 modulators, one for each of the CCTV cameras
as it is far easier to fire up the TV and select a TV channel with the
remote control than it is to fire up a PC or TV, start a browser, type
in a RTSP URL to view live video all via a remote control.
*** I have Roku sticks on the older TVs so when I replace those TV's I
can then dispense with the Roku sticks and switch from Wi-Fi to wired
Ethernet.
SH.
I have a couple of Sharp TVs which have sat receivers built in (F type connector on the back)
If you point your dish at the right bird they will pick up all the
Freesat channels, but theres almost no documentation and its a nightmare
to set them up. Theres no "Freesat" mode, so all the channels are thrown
in together
All the usual Android streaming apps are on both sets
One of them is called a "40FH2KA"
Java Jive wrote:
I thought HDMI v3.x was the minimum standard to aim for?
3.0 doesn't exist, you might be thinking of 1.3
On 05/07/2026 18:58, Andy Burns wrote:
SH wrote:
does such a TV exist so I can then use Freesat*, Freeview** and
Freely***
It wouldn't surprise me if the manufacturers have to agree to not
include DVB-S/T tuners in order to licence the Freely branding :-(
Seems you are wrong.
Panasonic TV-55Z90B 55 inch, OLED, 4K HDR Smart TV spec:
Digital Tuner-a-a-a DVB-T/T2/DVB-S2/DVB-C
Analog Tuner-a-a-a-a rCo
Freely-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a Y
On 05/07/2026 20:53, MikeS wrote:
Seems you are wrong.
Panasonic TV-55Z90B 55 inch, OLED, 4K HDR Smart TV spec:
Digital Tuner-a-a-a DVB-T/T2/DVB-S2/DVB-C
Analog Tuner-a-a-a-a rCo
Freely-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a Y
Thats a great find! :-)
On 2026-07-05 22:20, SH wrote:
On 05/07/2026 20:53, MikeS wrote:
Seems you are wrong.
Panasonic TV-55Z90B 55 inch, OLED, 4K HDR Smart TV spec:
Digital Tuner-a-a-a DVB-T/T2/DVB-S2/DVB-C
Analog Tuner-a-a-a-a rCo
Freely-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a Y
Thats a great find! :-)
Not really, because it's not in stock anywhere in the UK. I found one
of this range in Germany at a very reasonable price, but I don't think they'll deliver to the UK for any equally reasonable price.
Java Jive <java@evij.com.invalid> wrote:
On 2026-07-05 22:20, SH wrote:
On 05/07/2026 20:53, MikeS wrote:
Seems you are wrong.
Panasonic TV-55Z90B 55 inch, OLED, 4K HDR Smart TV spec:
Digital Tuner-a-a-a DVB-T/T2/DVB-S2/DVB-C
Analog Tuner-a-a-a-a rCo
Freely-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a Y
Thats a great find! :-)
Not really, because it's not in stock anywhere in the UK. I found one
of this range in Germany at a very reasonable price, but I don't think
they'll deliver to the UK for any equally reasonable price.
ebay has a refurb unit direct from Panasonic for -u830: https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/206050575525
Not sure if that counts as a reasonable price or not, but apparently list price a year ago was -u2500.
On 2026-07-31 15:07, Theo wrote:
ebay has a refurb unit direct from Panasonic for -u830:
https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/206050575525
Not sure if that counts as a reasonable price or not, but apparently list
price a year ago was -u2500.
Tx, though actually I bought a cheaper 42" refurbished one.-a Hasn't
arrived yet, so I can't comment on its condition.
On 2026-08-04 17:25, Java Jive wrote:
On 2026-07-31 15:07, Theo wrote:
ebay has a refurb unit direct from Panasonic for -u830:
https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/206050575525
Not sure if that counts as a reasonable price or not, but apparently
list
price a year ago was -u2500.
Tx, though actually I bought a cheaper 42" refurbished one. Hasn't
arrived yet, so I can't comment on its condition.
Well, that went straight back, easily the most idiotically inadequately packaged electrical that I've ever received, via eBay or anyhow else.
The big heavy metal stand was packed the same side as the screen, which probably explains why the screen had an impact with a near-circular
pattern of cracked glass, the very centre of which was crazed. At least
the sender agreed to pay for the return postage, and hopefully I'll get
all my money back any day now.
I now have a NEW 42" one, anything bigger is too big for me, from a
store in Wales, which had two at a reduced price, probably in the entire
UK the last two genuinely new ones (or are they ex-display explaining
why it's reduced? I don't think so, they said it was new and indeed it
looks it, absolutely pristine). I'm outside their delivery coverage, so
I had to pay to have it collected, including transit insurance, etc, but
it's arrived safely in its original packaging, the screen is perfect,
and it's installed in situ and plugged in to the LAN and the mains.
Trouble is, I can't complete setting it up because it expects there to
be an aerial, I haven't got one installed yet - the local installers
have been deafening in their silence in not coming back to me, if they
can get the work in the towns they won't come out to the sticks - and
I haven't found a way around this yet. Apart from that, it looks very
swish, the screen seems really excellent, and I think when it's fully up
and running I'm going to like it a lot .
On 2026-08-04 17:25, Java Jive wrote:
On 2026-07-31 15:07, Theo wrote:
ebay has a refurb unit direct from Panasonic for -u830:
https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/206050575525
Not sure if that counts as a reasonable price or not, but apparently list >>> price a year ago was -u2500.
Tx, though actually I bought a cheaper 42" refurbished one.-a Hasn't
arrived yet, so I can't comment on its condition.
Well, that went straight back, easily the most idiotically inadequately packaged electrical that I've ever received, via eBay or anyhow else.
The big heavy metal stand was packed the same side as the screen, which probably explains why the screen had an impact with a near-circular
pattern of cracked glass, the very centre of which was crazed. At least
the sender agreed to pay for the return postage, and hopefully I'll get
all my money back any day now.
I now have a NEW 42" one, anything bigger is too big for me, from a
store in Wales, which had two at a reduced price, probably in the entire
UK the last two genuinely new ones (or are they ex-display explaining
why it's reduced? I don't think so, they said it was new and indeed it
looks it, absolutely pristine). I'm outside their delivery coverage, so
I had to pay to have it collected, including transit insurance, etc, but
it's arrived safely in its original packaging, the screen is perfect,
and it's installed in situ and plugged in to the LAN and the mains.
Trouble is, I can't complete setting it up because it expects there to
be an aerial, I haven't got one installed yet - the local installers
have been deafening in their silence in not coming back to me, if they
can get the work in the towns they won't come out to the sticks - and
I haven't found a way around this yet. Apart from that, it looks very
swish, the screen seems really excellent, and I think when it's fully up
and running I'm going to like it a lot .
On 15/08/2026 14:21, Java Jive wrote:
I now have a NEW 42" one, anything bigger is too big for me, from a
store in Wales, which had two at a reduced price, probably in the entire
UK the last two genuinely new ones (or are they ex-display explaining
why it's reduced?-a I don't think so, they said it was new and indeed it
looks it, absolutely pristine).-a I'm outside their delivery coverage, so
I had to pay to have it collected, including transit insurance, etc, but
it's arrived safely in its original packaging, the screen is perfect,
and it's installed in situ and plugged in to the LAN and the mains.
Trouble is, I can't complete setting it up because it expects there to
be an aerial, I haven't got one installed yet-a --a the local installers
have been deafening in their silence in not coming back to me, if they
can get the work in the towns they won't come out to the sticks-a --a and
I haven't found a way around this yet.-a Apart from that, it looks very
swish, the screen seems really excellent, and I think when it's fully up
and running I'm going to like it a lot .
A cheap indoor aerial just to give it something to chew on? Just a thought.
:-( The ethernet connection is only Fast Ethernet, 100Mbps, not
Gigabit. 10-Gigabit has been available for a handful of years, and
Gigabit since 1997, yet more than a quarter of a century later we still
find new equipment with only Fast Ethernet???!!!
On Sun, 16 Aug 2026 11:03:20 +0100, Java Jive <java@evij.com.invalid>
wrote:
:-( The ethernet connection is only Fast Ethernet, 100Mbps, not
Gigabit. 10-Gigabit has been available for a handful of years, and
Gigabit since 1997, yet more than a quarter of a century later we still
find new equipment with only Fast Ethernet???!!!
What on earth could a TV set do with 100Mb/s, never mind 1Gb/s?
-aEfOU-a The TV doesn't see Windows shares, so I've had to find out how to set DLNA running on my NAS and then wait for it to index.-a Now, when I access the NAS from the TV, instead of doing the obvious thing and respecting the natural folder and filename layout on the server, I get default pseudo folders of Music, Videos, Photos each of which is full of non-existent items made up of fragments of various filenames that do
exist in the NAS.-a The only way I can play anything is to go into any
one of them, then select 'Folder', then navigate the directory structure
in the normal way, and then I can only play media files that either have
no or else accurate and useful meta data, which most of GetIPlayer
downloads of, say, Wimbledon do not, all I see lots of items labelled "Wimbledon 2026" with no way of telling which is which.-a It's precisely this sort of reason why I've never bothered with DLNA in the past.-a Let those who wish to use it do so, but why not by default do the simple
thing that works and support normal Windows and Linux networking?-a And
if you are going to use DLNA, why not offer the existing folder and
filename structure on the device as the DEFAULT option, after all, presumably it exists like that for a reason that has some significance
and importance to its owner?-a As it stands, DLNA is a 'service' that's
near useless to me!
On 2026-08-16 19:55, Roderick Stewart wrote:
On Sun, 16 Aug 2026 11:03:20 +0100, Java Jive <java@evij.com.invalid>
wrote:
-a :-(-a The ethernet connection is only Fast Ethernet, 100Mbps, not
Gigabit.-a 10-Gigabit has been available for a handful of years, and
Gigabit since 1997, yet more than a quarter of a century later we still
find new equipment with only Fast Ethernet???!!!
What on earth could a TV set do with 100Mb/s, never mind 1Gb/s?
If it can record to USB-attached media, as can this, then copying off recordings elsewhere via only Fast Ethernet will be very slow.
On 2026-08-15 17:21, Mark Undrill wrote:
On 15/08/2026 14:21, Java Jive wrote:
I now have a NEW 42" one, anything bigger is too big for me, from a
store in Wales, which had two at a reduced price, probably in the entire >>> UK the last two genuinely new ones (or are they ex-display explaining
why it's reduced?-a I don't think so, they said it was new and indeed it >>> looks it, absolutely pristine).-a I'm outside their delivery coverage, so >>> I had to pay to have it collected, including transit insurance, etc, but >>> it's arrived safely in its original packaging, the screen is perfect,
and it's installed in situ and plugged in to the LAN and the mains.
Trouble is, I can't complete setting it up because it expects there to
be an aerial, I haven't got one installed yet-a --a the local installers >>> have been deafening in their silence in not coming back to me, if they
can get the work in the towns they won't come out to the sticks-a --a and >>> I haven't found a way around this yet.-a Apart from that, it looks very
swish, the screen seems really excellent, and I think when it's fully up >>> and running I'm going to like it a lot .
A cheap indoor aerial just to give it something to chew on? Just a
thought.
Yes, that did occur to me, and I used to have one, but when I went
looking for it I couldn't find it.-a Don't think it would have worked anyway, as the local relay is rather weak and some distance away, and
there is a small tree in my neighbour's garden between the window and
the Tx.
However, somehow or other I've got past the problem, and have moved on
to other problems.
-a:-(-a The ethernet connection is only Fast Ethernet, 100Mbps, not Gigabit.-a 10-Gigabit has been available for a handful of years, and
Gigabit since 1997, yet more than a quarter of a century later we still
find new equipment with only Fast Ethernet???!!!
-a:-(-a The TV doesn't see Windows shares, so I've had to find out how to set DLNA running on my NAS and then wait for it to index.-a Now, when I access the NAS from the TV, instead of doing the obvious thing and respecting the natural folder and filename layout on the server, I get default pseudo folders of Music, Videos, Photos each of which is full of non-existent items made up of fragments of various filenames that do
exist in the NAS.-a The only way I can play anything is to go into any
one of them, then select 'Folder', then navigate the directory structure
in the normal way, and then I can only play media files that either have
no or else accurate and useful meta data, which most of GetIPlayer
downloads of, say, Wimbledon do not, all I see lots of items labelled "Wimbledon 2026" with no way of telling which is which.-a It's precisely this sort of reason why I've never bothered with DLNA in the past.-a Let those who wish to use it do so, but why not by default do the simple
thing that works and support normal Windows and Linux networking?-a And
if you are going to use DLNA, why not offer the existing folder and
filename structure on the device as the DEFAULT option, after all, presumably it exists like that for a reason that has some significance
and importance to its owner?-a As it stands, DLNA is a 'service' that's
near useless to me!
On 16/08/2026 21:38, Java Jive wrote:
On 2026-08-16 19:55, Roderick Stewart wrote:
On Sun, 16 Aug 2026 11:03:20 +0100, Java Jive <java@evij.com.invalid>
wrote:
-a :-(-a The ethernet connection is only Fast Ethernet, 100Mbps, not
Gigabit.-a 10-Gigabit has been available for a handful of years, and
Gigabit since 1997, yet more than a quarter of a century later we still >>>> find new equipment with only Fast Ethernet???!!!
What on earth could a TV set do with 100Mb/s, never mind 1Gb/s?
If it can record to USB-attached media, as can this, then copying off
recordings elsewhere via only Fast Ethernet will be very slow.
The obvious way to copy off a USB drive is to plug it into the target device.
BUT if the TV is anything like my Panasonic it is pointless to
copy them from the USB drive to anywhere.
The files are encrypted and will only play with the drive attached to
that TV. Even worse if you do anything that affects the drive it will be treated as a new device, demand to be re-registered, and effectively
wipe all existing recordings.
On 2026-08-17 10:43, MikeS wrote:
On 16/08/2026 21:38, Java Jive wrote:
On 2026-08-16 19:55, Roderick Stewart wrote:
On Sun, 16 Aug 2026 11:03:20 +0100, Java Jive <java@evij.com.invalid>
wrote:
-a :-(-a The ethernet connection is only Fast Ethernet, 100Mbps, not >>>>> Gigabit.-a 10-Gigabit has been available for a handful of years, and >>>>> Gigabit since 1997, yet more than a quarter of a century later we
still
find new equipment with only Fast Ethernet???!!!
What on earth could a TV set do with 100Mb/s, never mind 1Gb/s?
If it can record to USB-attached media, as can this, then copying off
recordings elsewhere via only Fast Ethernet will be very slow.
The obvious way to copy off a USB drive is to plug it into the target
device.
May not be easy if the TV is wall-mounted or, as here, in a corner where
the back of it is somewhat inaccessible.
BUT if the TV is anything like my Panasonic it is pointless to copy
them from the USB drive to anywhere.
The files are encrypted and will only play with the drive attached to
that TV. Even worse if you do anything that affects the drive it will
be treated as a new device, demand to be re-registered, and
effectively wipe all existing recordings.
I've yet to try it on this one, so can't comment definitively on that,
but I won't be surprised, but will be annoyed, to find that you're right.
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