• Non Freesat box to Receive Satellite Signals

    From Jeff Gaines@jgnewsid@outlook.com to uk.tech.digital-tv on Wed Jul 1 11:35:24 2026
    From Newsgroup: uk.tech.digital-tv


    After the problems with my my Freesat-4k-Recordable (which seem to be heat related rather than HDD related) I have been poking around for
    alternatives to receive/record satellite TV which might be more amenable
    to saving those recordings and playing them on other devices.

    Names I have found are Octagon SF8008 and Zgemma H7S.

    Anybody here use anything like this (or similar) who can give (or point me
    to) a review?

    I would need it to be reasonably plug and play although I do have a Linux
    box so have some familiarity with Linux, long, long, way from being any
    sort of expert though.
    --
    Jeff Gaines Dorset UK
    Here we go it's getting close, now it's just who wants it most.
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  • From NY@me@privacy.net to uk.tech.digital-tv on Wed Jul 1 15:54:32 2026
    From Newsgroup: uk.tech.digital-tv

    On 01/07/2026 12:35, Jeff Gaines wrote:

    After the problems with my my Freesat-4k-Recordable (which seem to be
    heat related rather than HDD related) I have been poking around for alternatives to receive/record satellite TV which might be more amenable
    to saving those recordings and playing them on other devices.

    Names I have found are Octagon SF8008 and Zgemma H7S.

    Anybody here use anything like this (or similar) who can give (or point
    me to) a review?

    I would need it to be reasonably plug and play although I do have a
    Linux box so have some familiarity with Linux, long, long, way from
    being any sort of expert though.

    I use a Raspberry Pi running Raspberry PiOS (based on Linux Debian) and TVHeadend, with a satellite tuner and a dual-tuner for terrestrial,
    recording to a spinning (not solid-state*) hard disk. I then edit those recordings (removing continuity and commercials) and save them elsewhere
    for watching them.

    As regards playing them on other devices, I share the directory where I
    save recordings as Windows (SMB) shares so other Windows computers can
    read the files that I've recorded. I use Plex Server on a Windows PC to
    allow recordings to be played on a Roku box that has a Plex Client.

    Very controllable, but a bit nerdy ;-)


    (*) Spinning disks are more durable for lots of writing, deleting,
    overwriting than solid state HDDs which have a fairly low number of
    rewrite cycles before they start to go bad.
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  • From Woody@harrogate3@ntlworld.com to uk.tech.digital-tv on Wed Jul 1 16:29:25 2026
    From Newsgroup: uk.tech.digital-tv

    On Wed 01/07/2026 12:35, Jeff Gaines wrote:

    After the problems with my my Freesat-4k-Recordable (which seem to be
    heat related rather than HDD related) I have been poking around for alternatives to receive/record satellite TV which might be more amenable
    to saving those recordings and playing them on other devices.

    Names I have found are Octagon SF8008 and Zgemma H7S.

    Anybody here use anything like this (or similar) who can give (or point
    me to) a review?

    I would need it to be reasonably plug and play although I do have a
    Linux box so have some familiarity with Linux, long, long, way from
    being any sort of expert though.



    Have a look at Manhattan products. I have one of their bog-standard HD receivers and it works a treat. Plenty of on-line info or toddle along
    to Currys.
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  • From Jeff Gaines@jgnewsid@outlook.com to uk.tech.digital-tv on Wed Jul 1 16:21:49 2026
    From Newsgroup: uk.tech.digital-tv

    On 01/07/2026 in message <1123bom$1v02g$1@dont-email.me> Woody wrote:

    On Wed 01/07/2026 12:35, Jeff Gaines wrote:

    After the problems with my my Freesat-4k-Recordable (which seem to be >>heat related rather than HDD related) I have been poking around for >>alternatives to receive/record satellite TV which might be more amenable >>to saving those recordings and playing them on other devices.

    Names I have found are Octagon SF8008 and Zgemma H7S.

    Anybody here use anything like this (or similar) who can give (or point >>me to) a review?

    I would need it to be reasonably plug and play although I do have a Linux >>box so have some familiarity with Linux, long, long, way from being any >>sort of expert though.



    Have a look at Manhattan products. I have one of their bog-standard HD >receivers and it works a treat. Plenty of on-line info or toddle along to >Currys.

    Can you save recordings to play on other devices?
    --
    Jeff Gaines Dorset UK
    If it's not broken, mess around with it until it is
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  • From Woody@harrogate3@ntlworld.com to uk.tech.digital-tv on Wed Jul 1 17:35:33 2026
    From Newsgroup: uk.tech.digital-tv

    On Wed 01/07/2026 17:21, Jeff Gaines wrote:
    On 01/07/2026 in message <1123bom$1v02g$1@dont-email.me> Woody wrote:

    On Wed 01/07/2026 12:35, Jeff Gaines wrote:

    After the problems with my my Freesat-4k-Recordable (which seem to be
    heat related rather than HDD related) I have been poking around for
    alternatives to receive/record satellite TV which might be more
    amenable to saving those recordings and playing them on other devices.

    Names I have found are Octagon SF8008 and Zgemma H7S.

    Anybody here use anything like this (or similar) who can give (or
    point me to) a review?

    I would need it to be reasonably plug and play although I do have a
    Linux box so have some familiarity with Linux, long, long, way from
    being any sort of expert though.



    Have a look at Manhattan products. I have one of their bog-standard HD
    receivers and it works a treat. Plenty of on-line info or toddle along
    to Currys.

    Can you save recordings to play on other devices?


    Mine is not a recorder but I've seen such in Currys....

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  • From Andy Burns@usenet@andyburns.uk to uk.tech.digital-tv on Wed Jul 1 17:47:03 2026
    From Newsgroup: uk.tech.digital-tv

    NY wrote:

    I use a Raspberry Pi running Raspberry PiOS (based on Linux Debian) and TVHeadend, with a satellite tuner and a dual-tuner for terrestrial, recording to a spinning (not solid-state*) hard disk. I then edit those recordings (removing continuity and commercials) and save them elsewhere
    for watching them.

    As regards playing them on other devices, I share the directory where I
    save recordings as Windows (SMB) shares so other Windows computers can
    read the files that I've recorded. I use Plex Server on a Windows PC to allow recordings to be played on a Roku box that has a Plex Client.
    I do similar (full tower PC, PCIe tuners) and TVheadend, I can use my
    laptop with a web browser and VLC to view recordings, it does work well, though isn't as user friendly as a set top box.

    Or I have Google TV streaming boxes with a TVheadend app plus remote
    control as "friendly" front ends.


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  • From alan_m@junk@admac.myzen.co.uk to uk.tech.digital-tv on Wed Jul 1 18:16:29 2026
    From Newsgroup: uk.tech.digital-tv

    On 01/07/2026 12:35, Jeff Gaines wrote:

    After the problems with my my Freesat-4k-Recordable (which seem to be
    heat related rather than HDD related) I have been poking around for alternatives to receive/record satellite TV which might be more amenable
    to saving those recordings and playing them on other devices.

    Names I have found are Octagon SF8008 and Zgemma H7S.

    Anybody here use anything like this (or similar) who can give (or point
    me to) a review?

    I would need it to be reasonably plug and play although I do have a
    Linux box so have some familiarity with Linux, long, long, way from
    being any sort of expert though.



    Just put OpenVix on them. The software supports UK satellite rather well (Freesat or for a few more channels Sky Free to air). But from World of Satellite and they will put open Vix on for you for I think (-u1)
    Add a hard disk to a Enigma 2 box (of which both the above are) and with openvix you have a fully functioning PVR. Some models can take an
    internal HDD and some require a external USB drive (or NAS).

    There is an active user group for these boxes and the Openvix software

    World of Satellite
    https://www.world-of-satellite.co.uk/satellite-receivers

    OpenVix
    https://www.openvix.co.uk/ https://www.openvix.co.uk/index.php/openvix-features-2/

    User Forums
    https://world-of-satellite.com/

    These are moderated groups and possibly the easiest way to use them is
    to sign up and then just select new posts from the menu near the top of
    the opening page. Most posts are about the boxes and Openvix.

    Openvix is written by hobbyists many of whom post to the forum and
    answer any questions.

    You don't necessarily need any Linux knowledge with Openvix although a smattering may help. Some of the terminology may be slightly off putting
    at first but you soon get used to it. They call the channel list a
    bouquet for instance. Also what may be helpful to find if you do get a
    box is the web interface (webif). Network the box and then just type the
    IP of the box into a Internet browser and the box gives you the
    interface. Some channel configuration (sorting/deleting channels etc)
    may/will be easier than trying to do it with the remote and TV screen.
    --
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  • From alan_m@junk@admac.myzen.co.uk to uk.tech.digital-tv on Wed Jul 1 18:42:43 2026
    From Newsgroup: uk.tech.digital-tv

    On 01/07/2026 18:16, alan_m wrote:
    On 01/07/2026 12:35, Jeff Gaines wrote:


    I would need it to be reasonably plug and play although I do have a
    Linux box so have some familiarity with Linux, long, long, way from
    being any sort of expert though.



    Just put OpenVix on them. The software supports UK satellite rather well (Freesat or for a few more channels Sky Free to air). But from World of Satellite and they will put open Vix on for you for I think (-u1)
    Add a hard disk to a Enigma 2 box (of which both the above are) and with openvix you have a fully functioning PVR. Some models can take an
    internal HDD and some require a external USB drive (or NAS).

    Whichever box you do buy I would recommend a box with at least two tuners.

    There are enigma 2 boxes that have a single satellite tuner, some with
    2, some with slots for 4 (or more). They will be at different price points.

    What LNB do you have? The sky Q wideband type LNB don't work with Enigma
    2 boxes, and possibly all 3rd party boxes except 1 or 2 Freesat banded
    boxes. You need a universal dual/quad/octo LNB or a unicable LNB
    --
    mailto : news {at} admac {dot} myzen {dot} co {dot} uk
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  • From Jeff Gaines@jgnewsid@outlook.com to uk.tech.digital-tv on Thu Jul 2 07:55:21 2026
    From Newsgroup: uk.tech.digital-tv

    On 01/07/2026 in message <nal1sjFquh5U1@mid.individual.net> alan_m wrote:

    On 01/07/2026 18:16, alan_m wrote:
    On 01/07/2026 12:35, Jeff Gaines wrote:


    I would need it to be reasonably plug and play although I do have a Linux >>>box so have some familiarity with Linux, long, long, way from being any >>>sort of expert though.



    Just put OpenVix on them. The software supports UK satellite rather well >>(Freesat or for a few more channels Sky Free to air). But from World of >>Satellite and they will put open Vix on for you for I think (-u1)
    Add a hard disk to a Enigma 2 box (of which both the above are) and with >>openvix you have a fully functioning PVR. Some models can take an >>internal HDD and some require a external USB drive (or NAS).

    Whichever box you do buy I would recommend a box with at least two tuners.

    There are enigma 2 boxes that have a single satellite tuner, some with 2, >some with slots for 4 (or more). They will be at different price points.

    What LNB do you have? The sky Q wideband type LNB don't work with Enigma 2 >boxes, and possibly all 3rd party boxes except 1 or 2 Freesat banded
    boxes. You need a universal dual/quad/octo LNB or a unicable LNB

    Thank you for the warning, it is the Sky wideband dish that I have :-(
    --
    Jeff Gaines Dorset UK
    Did you know on the Canary Islands there is not one canary?
    And on the Virgin Islands same thing, not one canary.
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  • From Dave W@davewi11@yahoo.co.uk to uk.tech.digital-tv on Thu Jul 2 12:28:28 2026
    From Newsgroup: uk.tech.digital-tv

    On 01/07/2026 12:35, Jeff Gaines wrote:

    After the problems with my my Freesat-4k-Recordable (which seem to be
    heat related rather than HDD related) I have been poking around for alternatives to receive/record satellite TV which might be more amenable
    to saving those recordings and playing them on other devices.

    Names I have found are Octagon SF8008 and Zgemma H7S.

    Anybody here use anything like this (or similar) who can give (or point
    me to) a review?

    I would need it to be reasonably plug and play although I do have a
    Linux box so have some familiarity with Linux, long, long, way from
    being any sort of expert though.


    I bought a Labgear VSAT02 HD Free-to-Air Satellite Receiver, to see
    whether errors on my old Humax box were due to the box or my dish. The
    Labgear works fine, with an HDMI output socket and a USB socket for a recording device. It has the disadvantage of not giving the Freesat
    7-day EPG and channel numbers, only Now/Next info. Channels are given
    numbers in the order they were found in the installation.
    --
    Dave W
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  • From Jeff Gaines@jgnewsid@outlook.com to uk.tech.digital-tv on Thu Jul 2 13:46:07 2026
    From Newsgroup: uk.tech.digital-tv

    On 02/07/2026 in message <1125i6d$2hrgd$1@dont-email.me> Dave W wrote:

    On 01/07/2026 12:35, Jeff Gaines wrote:

    After the problems with my my Freesat-4k-Recordable (which seem to be >>heat related rather than HDD related) I have been poking around for >>alternatives to receive/record satellite TV which might be more amenable >>to saving those recordings and playing them on other devices.

    Names I have found are Octagon SF8008 and Zgemma H7S.

    Anybody here use anything like this (or similar) who can give (or point >>me to) a review?

    I would need it to be reasonably plug and play although I do have a Linux >>box so have some familiarity with Linux, long, long, way from being any >>sort of expert though.


    I bought a Labgear VSAT02 HD Free-to-Air Satellite Receiver, to see
    whether errors on my old Humax box were due to the box or my dish. The >Labgear works fine, with an HDMI output socket and a USB socket for a >recording device. It has the disadvantage of not giving the Freesat 7-day >EPG and channel numbers, only Now/Next info. Channels are given numbers in >the order they were found in the installation.

    Thank you :-)

    Are you using it with a Sky dish? Are the recordings encrypted or can they
    be played back on other devices?

    Labgear is one of the few things in the universe older than me....
    --
    Jeff Gaines Dorset UK
    There is absolutely no substitute for a genuine lack of preparation
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  • From alan_m@junk@admac.myzen.co.uk to uk.tech.digital-tv on Fri Jul 3 09:17:21 2026
    From Newsgroup: uk.tech.digital-tv

    On 02/07/2026 14:46, Jeff Gaines wrote:

    Are you using it with a Sky dish?

    Dish or LNB (Sky Q LNB)?

    The dish can be the same for Sky, Freesat or any third party box.


    It is the type of LNB attached to the arm on the dish that matters and
    the Sky Q LNB is only supported by their boxes and a couple of Freesat
    boxes (as far as I'm aware).
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  • From Brian Gregory@void-invalid-dead-dontuse@email.invalid to uk.tech.digital-tv on Fri Jul 3 15:31:16 2026
    From Newsgroup: uk.tech.digital-tv

    On 01/07/2026 12:35, Jeff Gaines wrote:

    After the problems with my my Freesat-4k-Recordable (which seem to be
    heat related rather than HDD related) I have been poking around for alternatives to receive/record satellite TV which might be more amenable
    to saving those recordings and playing them on other devices.

    Names I have found are Octagon SF8008 and Zgemma H7S.

    Anybody here use anything like this (or similar) who can give (or point
    me to) a review?

    I would need it to be reasonably plug and play although I do have a
    Linux box so have some familiarity with Linux, long, long, way from
    being any sort of expert though.


    I use a Zgemma H7S running OpenViX software.

    Good place to buy a box:
    https://www.world-of-satellite.co.uk/ Seller of Satellite TV hardware

    OpenViX:
    https://world-of-satellite.com/ Support forum https://www.openvix.co.uk/ Downloads
    --
    Brian Gregory (in England).
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  • From Brian Gregory@void-invalid-dead-dontuse@email.invalid to uk.tech.digital-tv on Fri Jul 3 15:35:47 2026
    From Newsgroup: uk.tech.digital-tv

    Oh, I should add, a lot of these cheap Chinese boxes do not work with
    the wideband Sky Q LNB. They only support the old Universal LNBs or
    Unicable.

    And being cheap I'd recommend buying from somewhere that offers at least
    6 months guarantee on the hardware.
    --
    Brian Gregory (in England).
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  • From Woody@harrogate3@ntlworld.com to uk.tech.digital-tv on Fri Jul 3 17:06:02 2026
    From Newsgroup: uk.tech.digital-tv

    On Fri 03/07/2026 15:35, Brian Gregory wrote:
    Oh, I should add, a lot of these cheap Chinese boxes do not work with
    the wideband Sky Q LNB. They only support the old Universal LNBs or Unicable.

    And being cheap I'd recommend buying from somewhere that offers at least
    6 months guarantee on the hardware.


    Inverto are well made and reliable. Suggest you get a twin or quad, then
    if one fails you have another one/three to use! Get extra F-type plugs,
    fill the cable end of one/three of them with silicone sealant and put
    them on the unused ports - keeps moisture and flees out!
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  • From Dave W@davewi11@yahoo.co.uk to uk.tech.digital-tv on Fri Jul 3 18:51:44 2026
    From Newsgroup: uk.tech.digital-tv

    On 02/07/2026 14:46, Jeff Gaines wrote:
    On 02/07/2026 in message <1125i6d$2hrgd$1@dont-email.me> Dave W wrote:

    On 01/07/2026 12:35, Jeff Gaines wrote:

    After the problems with my my Freesat-4k-Recordable (which seem to be
    heat related rather than HDD related) I have been poking around for
    alternatives to receive/record satellite TV which might be more
    amenable to saving those recordings and playing them on other devices.

    Names I have found are Octagon SF8008 and Zgemma H7S.

    Anybody here use anything like this (or similar) who can give (or
    point me to) a review?

    I would need it to be reasonably plug and play although I do have a
    Linux box so have some familiarity with Linux, long, long, way from
    being any sort of expert though.


    I bought a Labgear VSAT02 HD Free-to-Air Satellite Receiver, to see
    whether errors on my old Humax box were due to the box or my dish. The
    Labgear works fine, with an HDMI output socket and a USB socket for a
    recording device. It has the disadvantage of not giving the Freesat
    7-day EPG and channel numbers, only Now/Next info. Channels are given
    numbers in the order they were found in the installation.

    Thank you :-)

    Are you using it with a Sky dish? Are the recordings encrypted or can
    they be played back on other devices?

    Labgear is one of the few things in the universe older than me....

    I don't know. I thought only HD channels are encrypted, which doesn't
    matter in the Humax which has custom firmware and anti-encryption patch.
    I haven't tried much recording via the Labgear box. It can only be done
    by setting starting time and duration, in the absence of an EPG.

    The remote control has an EPG button and the instructions say you can
    use it to find the proramme you want, but the button does nothing.

    Labgear is a very old name, but the box is made in China. The URL on the
    box is www.labgear.co.uk, but it gets diverted to the Irish distributors https://www.philex.com/brand/labgear/, and on that page are the grand words: "With a heritage dating back to the 1950rCOs, Labgear has been a
    cornerstone in the antenna and TV signal distribution sector. Evolving
    with the times, it now pioneers the latest in HDMI, networking, and
    fibre technologies, maintaining its reputation as the trusted brand for
    trade professionals."

    Sounds like a load of codswallop.


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  • From Andy Burns@usenet@andyburns.uk to uk.tech.digital-tv on Fri Jul 3 19:17:20 2026
    From Newsgroup: uk.tech.digital-tv

    Dave W wrote:

    Jeff Gaines wrote:

    Are you using it with a Sky dish? Are the recordings encrypted or can
    they be played back on other devices?

    I don't know. I thought only HD channels are encrypted,
    None of the freesat channels are encrypted, the tvheadend software that
    I mentioned just filters the various PIDs (audio/video/subtitles/etc)
    and records them as an MPEG transport stream, that's what VLC plays, you
    could transcode it to any format you like, there's no lock-in.

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  • From Brian Gregory@void-invalid-dead-dontuse@email.invalid to uk.tech.digital-tv on Fri Jul 3 23:17:02 2026
    From Newsgroup: uk.tech.digital-tv

    On 03/07/2026 17:06, Woody wrote:
    On Fri 03/07/2026 15:35, Brian Gregory wrote:
    Oh, I should add, a lot of these cheap Chinese boxes do not work with
    the wideband Sky Q LNB. They only support the old Universal LNBs or
    Unicable.

    And being cheap I'd recommend buying from somewhere that offers at
    least 6 months guarantee on the hardware.


    Inverto are well made and reliable. Suggest you get a twin or quad, then
    if one fails you have another one/three to use! Get extra F-type plugs,
    fill the cable end of one/three of them with silicone sealant and put
    them on the unused ports - keeps moisture and flees out!

    I guess I was unclear. I meant the receiver boxes, like the Zgemma H7S
    and so on, have been known to die in the first few months of use.

    And after a few years I had to re-apply thermal compound between the
    processor and the heatsink, which was quite fiddly to do since the
    heatsink was held on with thick, tight fitting, slightly springy wires soldered through hole to the PCB.
    --
    Brian Gregory (in England).
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  • From alan_m@junk@admac.myzen.co.uk to uk.tech.digital-tv on Sat Jul 4 11:54:26 2026
    From Newsgroup: uk.tech.digital-tv

    On 03/07/2026 19:17, Andy Burns wrote:
    Dave W wrote:

    Jeff Gaines wrote:

    Are you using it with a Sky dish? Are the recordings encrypted or can
    they be played back on other devices?

    I don't know. I thought only HD channels are encrypted,
    None of the freesat channels are encrypted, the tvheadend software that
    I mentioned just filters the various PIDs (audio/video/subtitles/etc)
    and records them as an MPEG transport stream, that's what VLC plays, you could transcode it to any format you like, there's no lock-in.


    The Enigma 2 boxes also just record the transfer stream and the
    recordings can be played on anything that supports it (VLC etc.)
    --
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  • From Brian Gregory@void-invalid-dead-dontuse@email.invalid to uk.tech.digital-tv on Thu Jul 9 18:26:08 2026
    From Newsgroup: uk.tech.digital-tv

    On 01/07/2026 12:35, Jeff Gaines wrote:

    After the problems with my my Freesat-4k-Recordable (which seem to be
    heat related rather than HDD related) I have been poking around for alternatives to receive/record satellite TV which might be more amenable
    to saving those recordings and playing them on other devices.

    Names I have found are Octagon SF8008 and Zgemma H7S.

    Anybody here use anything like this (or similar) who can give (or point
    me to) a review?

    I would need it to be reasonably plug and play although I do have a
    Linux box so have some familiarity with Linux, long, long, way from
    being any sort of expert though.


    What's the attraction of Freely ?

    Isn't it just like having a good selection of apps for the UK channels?
    --
    Brian Gregory (in England).
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  • From David Wade@g4ugm@dave.invalid to uk.tech.digital-tv on Thu Jul 9 22:34:59 2026
    From Newsgroup: uk.tech.digital-tv

    On 09/07/2026 18:26, Brian Gregory wrote:
    On 01/07/2026 12:35, Jeff Gaines wrote:

    After the problems with my my Freesat-4k-Recordable (which seem to be
    heat related rather than HDD related) I have been poking around for
    alternatives to receive/record satellite TV which might be more
    amenable to saving those recordings and playing them on other devices.

    Names I have found are Octagon SF8008 and Zgemma H7S.

    Anybody here use anything like this (or similar) who can give (or
    point me to) a review?

    I would need it to be reasonably plug and play although I do have a
    Linux box so have some familiarity with Linux, long, long, way from
    being any sort of expert though.


    What's the attraction of Freely ?

    Isn't it just like having a good selection of apps for the UK channels?


    Functionally similar, usability much better...

    So on my Panasonic if I miss the BBC news I have to open iPlayer,
    navigate to channels, select BBC1, scroll down to schedule, navigate to
    the news.

    On my TV with Freely (or my PVR with youview) I can go back into the
    guide to the news, click and it plays...

    Dave
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  • From Jeff Layman@Jeff@invalid.invalid to uk.tech.digital-tv on Fri Jul 10 08:43:45 2026
    From Newsgroup: uk.tech.digital-tv

    On 09/07/2026 22:34, David Wade wrote:

    So on my Panasonic if I miss the BBC news I have to open iPlayer,
    navigate to channels, select BBC1, scroll down to schedule, navigate to
    the news.

    I've never understood why the designers of that iPlayer page put the
    schedule at the bottom, so you have to scroll through all the programme
    dross before being able to use the schedule to find what /you/ want to
    watch.
    --
    Jeff
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  • From Jeff Gaines@jgnewsid@outlook.com to uk.tech.digital-tv on Fri Jul 10 08:48:20 2026
    From Newsgroup: uk.tech.digital-tv

    On 09/07/2026 in message <nba3tgF6iqpU1@mid.individual.net> Brian Gregory wrote:

    On 01/07/2026 12:35, Jeff Gaines wrote:

    After the problems with my my Freesat-4k-Recordable (which seem to be >>heat related rather than HDD related) I have been poking around for >>alternatives to receive/record satellite TV which might be more amenable >>to saving those recordings and playing them on other devices.

    Names I have found are Octagon SF8008 and Zgemma H7S.

    Anybody here use anything like this (or similar) who can give (or point >>me to) a review?

    I would need it to be reasonably plug and play although I do have a Linux >>box so have some familiarity with Linux, long, long, way from being any >>sort of expert though.


    What's the attraction of Freely ?

    Isn't it just like having a good selection of apps for the UK channels?

    I didn't know what Freely is so have looked it up.

    Still no ability to record streamed programmes and doesn't run Kodi which
    I use to view .iso files so not for me.
    --
    Jeff Gaines Dorset UK
    All those who believe in psychokinesis raise my hand.
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  • From Roderick Stewart@rjfs@escapetime.myzen.co.uk to uk.tech.digital-tv on Fri Jul 10 09:51:49 2026
    From Newsgroup: uk.tech.digital-tv

    On Fri, 10 Jul 2026 08:43:45 +0100, Jeff Layman <Jeff@invalid.invalid>
    wrote:

    On 09/07/2026 22:34, David Wade wrote:

    So on my Panasonic if I miss the BBC news I have to open iPlayer,
    navigate to channels, select BBC1, scroll down to schedule, navigate to
    the news.

    I've never understood why the designers of that iPlayer page put the >schedule at the bottom, so you have to scroll through all the programme >dross before being able to use the schedule to find what /you/ want to >watch.

    Perhaps it's to favour viewers who search for programmes by name,
    rather than by schedule. iPlayer is, after all, an online streaming application, and this is what they're designed for. It's the modern
    way. Why, some streaming services don't even have schedules at all.

    Rod.
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  • From Jeff Layman@Jeff@invalid.invalid to uk.tech.digital-tv on Fri Jul 10 11:20:29 2026
    From Newsgroup: uk.tech.digital-tv

    On 10/07/2026 09:48, Jeff Gaines wrote:
    On 09/07/2026 in message <nba3tgF6iqpU1@mid.individual.net> Brian Gregory wrote:

    On 01/07/2026 12:35, Jeff Gaines wrote:

    After the problems with my my Freesat-4k-Recordable (which seem to be
    heat related rather than HDD related) I have been poking around for
    alternatives to receive/record satellite TV which might be more amenable >>> to saving those recordings and playing them on other devices.

    Names I have found are Octagon SF8008 and Zgemma H7S.

    Anybody here use anything like this (or similar) who can give (or point
    me to) a review?

    I would need it to be reasonably plug and play although I do have a Linux >>> box so have some familiarity with Linux, long, long, way from being any >>> sort of expert though.


    What's the attraction of Freely ?

    Isn't it just like having a good selection of apps for the UK channels?

    I didn't know what Freely is so have looked it up.

    Still no ability to record streamed programmes and doesn't run Kodi which
    I use to view .iso files so not for me.

    I can't see PVRs or even anything similar commercially being developed
    so that streams can be recorded.

    I think that's for two reasons. Firstly, with the exception of the BBC
    (well, perhaps not as we have to pay to watch that anyway via the
    licence fee), the streaming companies want us to pay for their service
    /and/ watch their adverts unless we pay more to not see those adverts. Secondly, and I think this is often not noticed, we are a data source
    for them. They know what we watch as we have a subscription linked to an
    email address. The name you use to logon might be false (and that's
    probably against the ToS), but the email address will be on a data
    centre store somewhere and link the watcher to what is streamed, and
    possible what you buy if that email address is also used for online
    purchases.

    In my experience - and that's only with iPlayer - I find streamed
    programmes to be rather less functional than what a decent PVR can do.
    There is no slow-motion or step-frame for those sports moments you want
    to see (on or off the ball!). Mind you, the latest and probably final
    PVR - the Manhattan T4R - doesn't have that either. Older Panasonics are available which do have those are still sold - at a price - but nothing
    else.

    If you've got time, you might find this of interest and perhaps worth
    playing with:
    <https://obsproject.com/>
    --
    Jeff
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  • From Jeff Gaines@jgnewsid@outlook.com to uk.tech.digital-tv on Fri Jul 10 11:00:58 2026
    From Newsgroup: uk.tech.digital-tv

    On 10/07/2026 in message <112qh1d$116a1$3@dont-email.me> Jeff Layman wrote:

    On 10/07/2026 09:48, Jeff Gaines wrote:
    On 09/07/2026 in message <nba3tgF6iqpU1@mid.individual.net> Brian Gregory >>wrote:

    On 01/07/2026 12:35, Jeff Gaines wrote:

    After the problems with my my Freesat-4k-Recordable (which seem to be >>>>heat related rather than HDD related) I have been poking around for >>>>alternatives to receive/record satellite TV which might be more amenable >>>>to saving those recordings and playing them on other devices.

    Names I have found are Octagon SF8008 and Zgemma H7S.

    Anybody here use anything like this (or similar) who can give (or point >>>>me to) a review?

    I would need it to be reasonably plug and play although I do have a >>>>Linux
    box so have some familiarity with Linux, long, long, way from being any >>>>sort of expert though.


    What's the attraction of Freely ?

    Isn't it just like having a good selection of apps for the UK channels?

    I didn't know what Freely is so have looked it up.

    Still no ability to record streamed programmes and doesn't run Kodi which
    I use to view .iso files so not for me.

    I can't see PVRs or even anything similar commercially being developed so >that streams can be recorded.

    I think that's for two reasons. Firstly, with the exception of the BBC >(well, perhaps not as we have to pay to watch that anyway via the licence >fee), the streaming companies want us to pay for their service and watch >their adverts unless we pay more to not see those adverts. Secondly, and I >think this is often not noticed, we are a data source for them. They know >what we watch as we have a subscription linked to an email address. The
    name you use to logon might be false (and that's probably against the
    ToS), but the email address will be on a data centre store somewhere and >link the watcher to what is streamed, and possible what you buy if that >email address is also used for online purchases.

    In my experience - and that's only with iPlayer - I find streamed
    programmes to be rather less functional than what a decent PVR can do.
    There is no slow-motion or step-frame for those sports moments you want to >see (on or off the ball!). Mind you, the latest and probably final PVR -
    the Manhattan T4R - doesn't have that either. Older Panasonics are
    available which do have those are still sold - at a price - but nothing >else.

    If you've got time, you might find this of interest and perhaps worth >playing with:
    <https://obsproject.com/>

    That looks fun, thank you :-)
    --
    Jeff Gaines Dorset UK
    Did you know on the Canary Islands there is not one canary?
    And on the Virgin Islands same thing, not one canary.
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  • From Max Demian@max_demian@bigfoot.com to uk.tech.digital-tv on Fri Jul 10 16:52:05 2026
    From Newsgroup: uk.tech.digital-tv

    On 10/07/2026 11:20, Jeff Layman wrote:
    On 10/07/2026 09:48, Jeff Gaines wrote:
    On 09/07/2026 in message <nba3tgF6iqpU1@mid.individual.net> Brian Gregory
    wrote:

    On 01/07/2026 12:35, Jeff Gaines wrote:

    After the problems with my my Freesat-4k-Recordable (which seem to be
    heat related rather than HDD related) I have been poking around for
    alternatives to receive/record satellite TV which might be more
    amenable
    to saving those recordings and playing them on other devices.

    Names I have found are Octagon SF8008 and Zgemma H7S.

    Anybody here use anything like this (or similar) who can give (or point >>>> me to) a review?

    I would need it to be reasonably plug and play although I do have a
    Linux
    box so have some familiarity with Linux, long, long, way from-a being >>>> any
    sort of expert though.


    What's the attraction of Freely ?

    Isn't it just like having a good selection of apps for the UK channels?

    I didn't know what Freely is so have looked it up.

    Still no ability to record streamed programmes and doesn't run Kodi which
    I use to view .iso files so not for me.

    I can't see PVRs or even anything similar commercially being developed
    so that streams can be recorded.

    The BT/EE TV Box Pro _in Internet mode_ can record streams (I think),
    but we are warned that some may not allow ads to be skipped.

    (I use it in _aerial mode_ so I can't confirm how it works.)
    --
    Max Demian
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  • From Jeff Layman@Jeff@invalid.invalid to uk.tech.digital-tv on Fri Jul 10 18:33:51 2026
    From Newsgroup: uk.tech.digital-tv

    On 10/07/2026 16:52, Max Demian wrote:
    On 10/07/2026 11:20, Jeff Layman wrote:
    On 10/07/2026 09:48, Jeff Gaines wrote:
    On 09/07/2026 in message <nba3tgF6iqpU1@mid.individual.net> Brian Gregory >>> wrote:

    On 01/07/2026 12:35, Jeff Gaines wrote:

    After the problems with my my Freesat-4k-Recordable (which seem to be >>>>> heat related rather than HDD related) I have been poking around for
    alternatives to receive/record satellite TV which might be more
    amenable
    to saving those recordings and playing them on other devices.

    Names I have found are Octagon SF8008 and Zgemma H7S.

    Anybody here use anything like this (or similar) who can give (or point >>>>> me to) a review?

    I would need it to be reasonably plug and play although I do have a
    Linux
    box so have some familiarity with Linux, long, long, way from-a being >>>>> any
    sort of expert though.


    What's the attraction of Freely ?

    Isn't it just like having a good selection of apps for the UK channels? >>>
    I didn't know what Freely is so have looked it up.

    Still no ability to record streamed programmes and doesn't run Kodi which >>> I use to view .iso files so not for me.

    I can't see PVRs or even anything similar commercially being developed
    so that streams can be recorded.

    The BT/EE TV Box Pro _in Internet mode_ can record streams (I think),
    but we are warned that some may not allow ads to be skipped.

    (I use it in _aerial mode_ so I can't confirm how it works.)

    Looks like you're right, although I'm no longer with BT and have never
    had a Smart Hub (voice landline only). It took quite a bit of internet searching to confirm what you'd said, and I finally found it here: <https://ee.co.uk/help/tv-sport/manage-use/modes>, but even that notes
    you can't fast-forward to avoid the ITVX ads. And it looks like there's
    no slo-mo and step frame. Also, switching between aerial and internet
    mode apparently requires a reset which deletes any recordings, unless
    you go into "maintenance mode"!
    --
    Jeff
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  • From Brian Gregory@void-invalid-dead-dontuse@email.invalid to uk.tech.digital-tv on Wed Jul 15 22:01:42 2026
    From Newsgroup: uk.tech.digital-tv

    On 10/07/2026 18:33, Jeff Layman wrote:
    you can't fast-forward to avoid the ITVX ads. And it looks like there's
    no slo-mo and step frame. Also, switching between aerial and internet
    mode apparently requires a reset which deletes any recordings, unless
    you go into "maintenance mode"!
    So get a cheap Chinese box and run OpenViX on it.
    --
    Brian Gregory (in England).
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  • From Java Jive@java@evij.com.invalid to uk.tech.digital-tv on Wed Jul 15 23:16:27 2026
    From Newsgroup: uk.tech.digital-tv

    On 2026-07-01 17:47, Andy Burns wrote:

    I do similar (full tower PC, PCIe tuners) and TVheadend, I can use my
    laptop with a web browser and VLC to view recordings, it does work well, though isn't as user friendly as a set top box.

    Are you willing to give more details, PC specs, make & models of tuners,
    OS used, etc?
    --

    Fake news kills!

    I may be contacted via the contact address given on my website: www.macfh.co.uk

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  • From Andy Burns@usenet@andyburns.uk to uk.tech.digital-tv on Thu Jul 16 09:53:36 2026
    From Newsgroup: uk.tech.digital-tv

    Java Jive wrote:

    Andy Burns wrote:

    I do similar (full tower PC, PCIe tuners) and TVheadend, I can use my
    laptop with a web browser and VLC to view recordings, it does work
    well, though isn't as user friendly as a set top box.

    Are you willing to give more details, PC specs, make & models of tuners,
    OS used, etc?
    The PC is quite long in the tooth, for an old dog that's seen several
    upgrades over the years it still feels OK.

    ASRock H97 pro4 motherboard
    Xeon E3-1245v3
    Radeon RX580 GPU
    32GB RAM
    2x 64GB SSD for boot/root/home
    2x 3TB HD for samba and tv storage
    [plus numerous disconnected SATA drives within it]
    Hauppauge HVR5525 (DVB-T2/DVB-S2 tuners)
    2.5Gb NIC

    It runs Fedora (an unfortunate mishmash of v41 and rawhide due to a
    botched upgrade, it won't upgrade to a clean newer version, needs wiping
    and reinstalling). Codecs, ffmpeg and tvheadend itself installed from RPMfusion free/nonfree repos.

    Over the years I've had various tuner cards, the most annoying ones
    needed custom kernels building and patches tweaking by hand to keep-up, eventually that becomes a chore rather than being interesting, so I
    settled on the Hauppauge card as it is fully supported in stock kernels.

    I've never liked USB tuners (including the ones which are USB hiding
    behind a PCIe bridge on a PCI card ones) since they blast the entire mux
    at 35-45Mbps to the CPU causing ~2500 interrupts/s. PCIe tuners have
    hardware filtering of PIDs, probably NY will say USB tuners have never
    done him any harm, I just don't like them :-P

    I have a DiSEqC switch between 28.2E and 19.2E LNBs, but hardly ever use
    the latter now that German channels no longer carry the Formula1.

    For "friendlier" viewing I do have Chromecast HDMI dongles, which give
    an STB-like interface via a remote control.


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  • From Java Jive@java@evij.com.invalid to uk.tech.digital-tv on Thu Jul 16 11:01:59 2026
    From Newsgroup: uk.tech.digital-tv

    On 2026-07-16 09:53, Andy Burns wrote:

    Java Jive wrote:

    Are you willing to give more details, PC specs, make & models of
    tuners, OS used, etc?

    The PC is quite long in the tooth, for an old dog that's seen several upgrades over the years it still feels OK.

    -a ASRock H97 pro4 motherboard
    -a Xeon E3-1245v3
    -a Radeon RX580 GPU
    -a 32GB RAM
    -a 2x 64GB SSD for boot/root/home
    -a 2x 3TB HD for samba and tv storage
    -a [plus numerous disconnected SATA drives within it]
    -a Hauppauge HVR5525 (DVB-T2/DVB-S2 tuners)
    -a 2.5Gb NIC

    It runs Fedora (an unfortunate mishmash of v41 and rawhide due to a
    botched upgrade, it won't upgrade to a clean newer version, needs wiping
    and reinstalling).-a Codecs, ffmpeg and tvheadend itself installed from RPMfusion free/nonfree repos.

    Over the years I've had various tuner cards, the most annoying ones
    needed custom kernels building and patches tweaking by hand to keep-up, eventually that becomes a chore rather than being interesting, so I
    settled on the Hauppauge card as it is fully supported in stock kernels.

    I've never liked USB tuners (including the ones which are USB hiding
    behind a PCIe bridge on a PCI card ones) since they blast the entire mux
    at 35-45Mbps to the CPU causing ~2500 interrupts/s.-a PCIe tuners have hardware filtering of PIDs, probably NY will say USB tuners have never
    done him any harm, I just don't like them :-P

    I have a DiSEqC switch between 28.2E and 19.2E LNBs, but hardly ever use
    the latter now that German channels no longer carry the Formula1.

    For "friendlier" viewing I do have Chromecast HDMI dongles, which give
    an STB-like interface via a remote control.


    Many thanks, saved for possible later use.
    --

    Fake news kills!

    I may be contacted via the contact address given on my website: www.macfh.co.uk

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  • From SH@i.love@spam.com to uk.tech.digital-tv on Thu Jul 16 19:00:45 2026
    From Newsgroup: uk.tech.digital-tv

    On 16/07/2026 11:01, Java Jive wrote:
    On 2026-07-16 09:53, Andy Burns wrote:

    Java Jive wrote:

    Are you willing to give more details, PC specs, make & models of
    tuners, OS used, etc?

    The PC is quite long in the tooth, for an old dog that's seen several
    upgrades over the years it still feels OK.

    -a-a ASRock H97 pro4 motherboard
    -a-a Xeon E3-1245v3
    -a-a Radeon RX580 GPU
    -a-a 32GB RAM
    -a-a 2x 64GB SSD for boot/root/home
    -a-a 2x 3TB HD for samba and tv storage
    -a-a [plus numerous disconnected SATA drives within it]
    -a-a Hauppauge HVR5525 (DVB-T2/DVB-S2 tuners)
    -a-a 2.5Gb NIC

    It runs Fedora (an unfortunate mishmash of v41 and rawhide due to a
    botched upgrade, it won't upgrade to a clean newer version, needs
    wiping and reinstalling).-a Codecs, ffmpeg and tvheadend itself
    installed from RPMfusion free/nonfree repos.

    Over the years I've had various tuner cards, the most annoying ones
    needed custom kernels building and patches tweaking by hand to keep-
    up, eventually that becomes a chore rather than being interesting, so
    I settled on the Hauppauge card as it is fully supported in stock
    kernels.

    I've never liked USB tuners (including the ones which are USB hiding
    behind a PCIe bridge on a PCI card ones) since they blast the entire
    mux at 35-45Mbps to the CPU causing ~2500 interrupts/s.-a PCIe tuners
    have hardware filtering of PIDs, probably NY will say USB tuners have
    never done him any harm, I just don't like them :-P

    I have a DiSEqC switch between 28.2E and 19.2E LNBs, but hardly ever
    use the latter now that German channels no longer carry the Formula1.

    For "friendlier" viewing I do have Chromecast HDMI dongles, which give
    an STB-like interface via a remote control.


    Many thanks, saved for possible later use.



    Another way to do it is to use a Silicon Dust HDHomeRun for Freeview,
    this has 4 tuners and presents them as SAT>IP feeds over a home LAN

    You could use a Kathrein EXIP SATIP tuner to cover off Freesat.

    That then leaves you to set up SATIP clients which cam be done on a
    Raspberry Pi or any Linux box using the minisatip package for live viewing

    TVHeadend, Plex, Jellyfin, Popcorn etc will accept SATIP feeds and that
    is used as the recording PVR so you could host a PC to cover off that
    aspect.
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  • From Java Jive@java@evij.com.invalid to uk.tech.digital-tv on Thu Jul 16 22:34:04 2026
    From Newsgroup: uk.tech.digital-tv

    On 2026-07-16 19:00, SH wrote:

    On 16/07/2026 11:01, Java Jive wrote:

    On 2026-07-16 09:53, Andy Burns wrote:

    Java Jive wrote:

    Are you willing to give more details, PC specs, make & models of
    tuners, OS used, etc?

    The PC is quite long in the tooth, for an old dog that's seen several
    upgrades over the years it still feels OK.

    -a-a ASRock H97 pro4 motherboard
    -a-a Xeon E3-1245v3
    -a-a Radeon RX580 GPU
    -a-a 32GB RAM
    -a-a 2x 64GB SSD for boot/root/home
    -a-a 2x 3TB HD for samba and tv storage
    -a-a [plus numerous disconnected SATA drives within it]
    -a-a Hauppauge HVR5525 (DVB-T2/DVB-S2 tuners)
    -a-a 2.5Gb NIC

    It runs Fedora (an unfortunate mishmash of v41 and rawhide due to a
    botched upgrade, it won't upgrade to a clean newer version, needs
    wiping and reinstalling).-a Codecs, ffmpeg and tvheadend itself
    installed from RPMfusion free/nonfree repos.

    Over the years I've had various tuner cards, the most annoying ones
    needed custom kernels building and patches tweaking by hand to keep-
    up, eventually that becomes a chore rather than being interesting, so
    I settled on the Hauppauge card as it is fully supported in stock
    kernels.

    I've never liked USB tuners (including the ones which are USB hiding
    behind a PCIe bridge on a PCI card ones) since they blast the entire
    mux at 35-45Mbps to the CPU causing ~2500 interrupts/s.-a PCIe tuners
    have hardware filtering of PIDs, probably NY will say USB tuners have
    never done him any harm, I just don't like them :-P

    I have a DiSEqC switch between 28.2E and 19.2E LNBs, but hardly ever
    use the latter now that German channels no longer carry the Formula1.

    For "friendlier" viewing I do have Chromecast HDMI dongles, which
    give an STB-like interface via a remote control.

    Many thanks, saved for possible later use.

    Another way to do it is to use a Silicon Dust HDHomeRun for Freeview,
    this has 4 tuners and presents them as SAT>IP feeds over a home LAN

    You could use a Kathrein EXIP SATIP tuner to cover off Freesat.

    That then leaves you to set up SATIP clients which cam be done on a Raspberry Pi or any Linux box using the minisatip package for live viewing

    TVHeadend, Plex, Jellyfin, Popcorn etc will accept SATIP feeds and that
    is used as the recording PVR so you could host a PC to cover off that aspect.

    Many thanks, also saved for possible future use.
    --

    Fake news kills!

    I may be contacted via the contact address given on my website: www.macfh.co.uk

    --- Synchronet 3.22a-Linux NewsLink 1.2
  • From SH@i.love@spam.com to uk.tech.digital-tv on Fri Jul 17 08:24:57 2026
    From Newsgroup: uk.tech.digital-tv

    On 16/07/2026 22:34, Java Jive wrote:
    On 2026-07-16 19:00, SH wrote:

    On 16/07/2026 11:01, Java Jive wrote:

    On 2026-07-16 09:53, Andy Burns wrote:

    Java Jive wrote:

    Are you willing to give more details, PC specs, make & models of
    tuners, OS used, etc?

    The PC is quite long in the tooth, for an old dog that's seen
    several upgrades over the years it still feels OK.

    -a-a ASRock H97 pro4 motherboard
    -a-a Xeon E3-1245v3
    -a-a Radeon RX580 GPU
    -a-a 32GB RAM
    -a-a 2x 64GB SSD for boot/root/home
    -a-a 2x 3TB HD for samba and tv storage
    -a-a [plus numerous disconnected SATA drives within it]
    -a-a Hauppauge HVR5525 (DVB-T2/DVB-S2 tuners)
    -a-a 2.5Gb NIC

    It runs Fedora (an unfortunate mishmash of v41 and rawhide due to a
    botched upgrade, it won't upgrade to a clean newer version, needs
    wiping and reinstalling).-a Codecs, ffmpeg and tvheadend itself
    installed from RPMfusion free/nonfree repos.

    Over the years I've had various tuner cards, the most annoying ones
    needed custom kernels building and patches tweaking by hand to keep-
    up, eventually that becomes a chore rather than being interesting,
    so I settled on the Hauppauge card as it is fully supported in stock
    kernels.

    I've never liked USB tuners (including the ones which are USB hiding
    behind a PCIe bridge on a PCI card ones) since they blast the entire
    mux at 35-45Mbps to the CPU causing ~2500 interrupts/s.-a PCIe tuners >>>> have hardware filtering of PIDs, probably NY will say USB tuners
    have never done him any harm, I just don't like them :-P

    I have a DiSEqC switch between 28.2E and 19.2E LNBs, but hardly ever
    use the latter now that German channels no longer carry the Formula1.

    For "friendlier" viewing I do have Chromecast HDMI dongles, which
    give an STB-like interface via a remote control.

    Many thanks, saved for possible later use.

    Another way to do it is to use a Silicon Dust HDHomeRun for Freeview,
    this has 4 tuners and presents them as SAT>IP feeds over a home LAN

    You could use a Kathrein EXIP SATIP tuner to cover off Freesat.

    That then leaves you to set up SATIP clients which cam be done on a
    Raspberry Pi or any Linux box using the minisatip package for live
    viewing

    TVHeadend, Plex, Jellyfin, Popcorn etc will accept SATIP feeds and
    that is used as the recording PVR so you could host a PC to cover off
    that aspect.

    Many thanks, also saved for possible future use.


    One significant advantage of using the SiliconDust HDHomeruns and the
    Kathrein EXIPs is they are literally plug and play... connect satellite
    or aerial, plug in ethernet lead, plug into power, do the initial tuning
    set up and thats it. You might have the odd firmware download and
    update to do.

    Many streaming sticks also offer Apps like Plex, Jellyfin, HDHomerun,
    Kodi etc so if you already have some streaming sticks, thats your live
    viewing of SatIP streams sorted.

    If you happen to have a NAS from the likes of Synology or QNAP etc,
    there may well be apps you can download that then allow you to use the
    NAS as your recording PVR from the SATIP streams.

    Obviously if you like building everything from scratch using individual components, then its tinkerers heaven and complete flexibility and the
    above is of no fun to you :-)

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  • From Jeff Layman@Jeff@invalid.invalid to uk.tech.digital-tv on Fri Jul 17 09:01:24 2026
    From Newsgroup: uk.tech.digital-tv

    On 15/07/2026 22:01, Brian Gregory wrote:
    On 10/07/2026 18:33, Jeff Layman wrote:
    you can't fast-forward to avoid the ITVX ads. And it looks like there's
    no slo-mo and step frame. Also, switching between aerial and internet
    mode apparently requires a reset which deletes any recordings, unless
    you go into "maintenance mode"!
    So get a cheap Chinese box and run OpenViX on it.

    Just like that?

    I had a look at the OpenViX webpages and found it more than a little
    opaque. Usually, I turn to the manual (if there is one) to get an idea
    of what can be done. However, I couldn't find an up-to-date guide - the
    one on the OpenViX pages is dated 2014. Perhaps it's still usable, but
    why hasn't it been updated? I assume it's section 7.12 about networks
    which would apply to, eg iPlayer, etc

    This thread <https://www.avforums.com/threads/enigma-2-like-skyq-so-confused.2532762/>
    was about someone asking how to use OpenViX instead of Sky, as his wife
    "loves the pausing, recording, instant rewind etc". The third post in
    reply has "You can pause live TV etc. everything you can do with a Sky Q
    box, however there are no apps like Netflix , iPlayer , etc on these
    boxes. All they do is live TV." (NB that post links to the 2014 manual,
    and notes it as being a full manual).

    When I got my first PVR (Humax 9200T) I was setting up recordings well
    within an hour, and that followed with other brands of PVRs too. It
    doesn't seem to me that it would be so easy with OpenViX, and I'm still
    not clear about recording iPlayer, etc, and what level of slo-mo and
    pause then forward/back frame step is available.
    --
    Jeff
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  • From alan_m@junk@admac.myzen.co.uk to uk.tech.digital-tv on Fri Jul 17 12:15:52 2026
    From Newsgroup: uk.tech.digital-tv

    On 17/07/2026 09:01, Jeff Layman wrote:
    On 15/07/2026 22:01, Brian Gregory wrote:
    On 10/07/2026 18:33, Jeff Layman wrote:
    you can't fast-forward to avoid the ITVX ads. And it looks like there's
    no slo-mo and step frame. Also, switching between aerial and internet
    mode apparently requires a reset which deletes any recordings, unless
    you go into "maintenance mode"!
    So get a cheap Chinese box and run OpenViX on it.

    Just like that?

    I had a look at the OpenViX webpages and found it more than a little
    opaque. Usually, I turn to the manual (if there is one) to get an idea
    of what can be done. However, I couldn't find an up-to-date guide - the
    one on the OpenViX pages is dated 2014. Perhaps it's still usable, but
    why hasn't it been updated? I assume it's section 7.12 about networks
    which would apply to, eg iPlayer, etc

    This thread <https://www.avforums.com/threads/enigma-2-like-skyq-so- confused.2532762/> was about someone asking how to use OpenViX instead
    of Sky, as his wife "loves the pausing, recording, instant rewind etc".
    The third post in reply has "You can pause live TV etc. everything you
    can do with a Sky Q box, however there are no apps like Netflix ,
    iPlayer , etc on these boxes. All they do is live TV." (NB that post
    links to the 2014 manual, and notes it as being a full manual).

    When I got my first PVR (Humax 9200T) I was setting up recordings well within an hour, and that followed with other brands of PVRs too. It
    doesn't seem to me that it would be so easy with OpenViX, and I'm still
    not clear about recording iPlayer, etc, and what level of slo-mo and
    pause then forward/back frame step is available.


    Openvix doesn't do the Iplayer or the equivalent from other broadcasters.

    Openvix is just an image (software) that can be run of a dozen or more
    Enigma2 (linux basesd) boxes from different manufacturers and at
    different price points. The prices generally reflecting the
    specification of the box. However even the cheap boxes work very well.

    Openvix supports terrestrial or satellite receivers depending on tuners fitted. It can do both at the same time. I have a box with 2 satellite
    and 2 terrestrial tuners. All can be used at the same time for recording
    and watching from one of them on the TV. Add a hard disk and it becomes
    a fully functional PVR with the usual pause, recording jump through
    recorded adverts etc. BUT with no catch up TV from the internet.

    The boxes are fully networked. In-built ethernet and on some boxes
    inbuilt wi-fi, on others wi-fi with an optional USB dongle.

    The recording are the broadcast transport stream so they can be
    transferred over you network to be played on any device/software that
    supports the format.

    Openvix supports the 7 day over the air EPG from Freeview and Freesat
    and, if required, by tuning into transponder for Sky IEPG data the over
    the air 7 day EPG for sky. (possibly only necessary if you want the few
    extra free to air channels from sky). Optionally you can get the 7 day
    EPG over the internet, which is supported in OpenVix. It's advisable to
    only get the EPG from one source.

    All Openvix software is written by hobbyists and is very stable. There
    are a variety of both software writers and an an active team of alpha
    and beta testers. All appear to be active in the Openvix user forums.
    There is an update to add new features etc. around 6 times a year. In my experience the rare bugs missed by the alpha/beta testers with the issue
    of an upgrade are reported in the user forums and usually fixed within
    days. You have to realise that these boxes are highly configurable and
    used in many different ways. There are numerous plugins that can be
    installed by the user to enhance/change some of the functionality. Also
    while OpenVix is very UK friendly with regards support for UK
    terrestrial and satellite tuning they are used internationally so a user abroad may be using it with a completely different configuration.

    While highly configurable the default setting are more than adequate and sensible. Some users may want to implement a different skin with a
    horrendous colour scheme :) :)

    Yes the manual is out of date but in my experience owning these boxes
    for around 10 years I've never read the manual. There is a learning
    curve but nothing too bad for someone with some basic technical
    knowledge and common sense. It does help to know that for UK terrestrial
    or satellite use the Autoboquets options from the menu for tuning etc.

    On first startup or an upgrade there are "wizards" to help with network
    and tuning. All settings and images (versions of Openvix) can easily be backed up to a hard disk etc. and settings can be restored when a new
    upgrade is installed.

    Fast forward and backwards with recordings x2,x4, x8....... x128

    Slow motion, by default 2,4,8 (user configurable) but the effect may
    also be down to how the digital signal is broadcast, the GOP structure
    etc.

    Jump ford/backward 3 buttons on the remote enable to jump forward and 3
    to jump back. The times are user configurable but by default 15seconds,
    60 seconds and 300 seconds. Useful for skipping adverts.

    Its worth finding the inbuilt web interface for things like making user channel lists or re-ordering channels in the list/epg. The web interface
    is enabled by just typing the IP of te box in your internet browser
    address bar. Then web interface gives you full control of the box/openvix
    --
    mailto : news {at} admac {dot} myzen {dot} co {dot} uk
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  • From Java Jive@java@evij.com.invalid to uk.tech.digital-tv on Sat Jul 18 04:29:58 2026
    From Newsgroup: uk.tech.digital-tv

    On 2026-07-17 08:24, SH wrote:

    Obviously if you like building everything from scratch using individual components, then its tinkerers heaven and complete flexibility and the
    above is of no fun to you EfOe

    That might have been the case a few years back, but these days I tend to
    just want it to work, preferably more or less straight out of the box.

    I've been thinking about restoring TV to the property for some time.
    The original aerial monstrosity broke in a gale [*] soon after I moved
    in, and anyway was wired to the other end of the house that I don't use
    much, so since I moved in I've been relying on GetIPlayer and
    downloading the occasional YT video, etc.

    * The wind comes barrelling across the loch and straight into the
    house, anything not robust and weighted down will be destroyed &/or
    blown away; I usually use my wheelbarrow upturned to protect my mower
    from rain where it's parked partially sheltered by a big tall hedge and
    a corner of the house, but one day even that was blown off and now I
    weigh it down with lumps of rock!

    Given the wind problem, I'm wondering how to mount a satellite dish
    securely. There is no possibility of mounting one on most of the walls, because they were made of bits of random stone and rocks, which mostly
    are impossibly hard to drill, held together weakly by a crumbly
    substance that once may or may not have had any real mortar in it. The chimneys were rebuilt when the roof was redone, and are breeze block, so
    I question whether there would be enough weight above the mounting to
    resist leverage from a satellite dish, but on the other hand the wind resistance of the dish itself couldn't be much more than a chimney's own
    wind resistance because the chimneys are double so are bigger, while it
    just so happens that the angle of the dish would make it as near as
    dammit parallel to the broadest face of the chimney, but there again the prevailing direction of the wind would be sideways on to both the dish
    and chimney. I'm not sure whether I can mount a dish up there or not,
    but my suspicion is not; if any experts here can advise, please feel
    free to so so.

    Also, this field is becoming something of a nightmare to negotiate, or
    perhaps it always was, and I've just forgotten! We've just discovered
    that a good looking range of Panasonic TVs are not available because the
    firm is discontinuing manufacturing in-house. Dreambox have gone out of business (I wonder how much Sky's cloning of their boxes contributed to
    that, the bastards?!). Of the 28 models on the World Of Satellite page
    linked elsewhere in the thread, some are just different variants of the
    same basic model, 10 are out of stock anyway, and most have inadequate
    basic specs, before we even consider those relating to a STB, PVR, etc:

    AB PULSe 4K No stock, 10/100 Mbps (not Gigabit), no terrestrial tuners
    AB PULSe 4K MINI SE 10/100 Mbps (not Gigabit), no terrestrial tuners
    AB PULSe 4K Rev. II USB 2 (not 3), 10/100 (not Gigabit)
    Gigablue UHD Quad 4K No stock, no option for terrestrial tuners
    Gigablue UHD UE 4K No stock, no option for terrestrial tuners
    Octagon SFX6018 USB 2 (not 3), 10/100 (not Gigabit), no terrestrial tuners
    Octagon SX88 V2 USB 2 (not 3), 10/100 (not Gigabit), no terrestrial tuners
    Technomate TM-5402 M4 USB 2 (not 3), 10/100 (not Gigabit)
    Technomate TM-Nano-M3 USB 2 (not 3), 10/100 (probably), no
    terrestrial tuners
    Technomate TM-Twin 4K Terrestrial tuners quoted as optional but no apparent way of choosing them, on pre-order only.
    TivuSat Humax USB 2 (not 3), 10/100 (probably), appears to
    be geared towards TivuSat reception only.
    TivuSat TS9019 Ditto.
    VU+ Uno 4K SE No stock, no terrestrial tuners
    VU+ Zero UHD 4K USB 2 (not 3), 10/100 (not Gigabit), no terrestrial tuners
    Zgemma H7S 4K UHD End-of-life so most variants no stock

    There are other better specced VU models listed on other sites, but
    their supply seems unreliable and they're often out of stock, and are
    now, so I think it would be down to these from the above site:

    Gigablue UHD Quad PRO Pre-order only, -u299 basic - -u405 2x
    terrestrial tuners (presumably no loop through) & 1TB HD
    Octagon SF8008 V3 -u125, comes in two possible tuner
    configurations, 1 of each or 2 x sat, but at best:
    - Only 1 tuner of each type and no loop through on the terrestrial
    + Can be a PVR via M2 SSD for extra -u30.
    Zgemma H17 COMBO 4K UHD -u99
    - Only 1 tuner of each type and no loop through on the terrestrial;
    * PVR recording via USB
    + Good price if above is acceptable.

    And then I have to think about buying a TV and buying and mounting an
    aerial as well ...
    --

    Fake news kills!

    I may be contacted via the contact address given on my website: www.macfh.co.uk

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  • From Jeff Layman@Jeff@invalid.invalid to uk.tech.digital-tv on Sat Jul 18 07:56:58 2026
    From Newsgroup: uk.tech.digital-tv

    On 17/07/2026 12:15, alan_m wrote:
    On 17/07/2026 09:01, Jeff Layman wrote:
    On 15/07/2026 22:01, Brian Gregory wrote:
    On 10/07/2026 18:33, Jeff Layman wrote:
    you can't fast-forward to avoid the ITVX ads. And it looks like there's >>>> no slo-mo and step frame. Also, switching between aerial and internet
    mode apparently requires a reset which deletes any recordings, unless
    you go into "maintenance mode"!
    So get a cheap Chinese box and run OpenViX on it.

    Just like that?

    I had a look at the OpenViX webpages and found it more than a little
    opaque. Usually, I turn to the manual (if there is one) to get an idea
    of what can be done. However, I couldn't find an up-to-date guide - the
    one on the OpenViX pages is dated 2014. Perhaps it's still usable, but
    why hasn't it been updated? I assume it's section 7.12 about networks
    which would apply to, eg iPlayer, etc

    This thread <https://www.avforums.com/threads/enigma-2-like-skyq-so-
    confused.2532762/> was about someone asking how to use OpenViX instead
    of Sky, as his wife "loves the pausing, recording, instant rewind etc".
    The third post in reply has "You can pause live TV etc. everything you
    can do with a Sky Q box, however there are no apps like Netflix ,
    iPlayer , etc on these boxes. All they do is live TV." (NB that post
    links to the 2014 manual, and notes it as being a full manual).

    When I got my first PVR (Humax 9200T) I was setting up recordings well
    within an hour, and that followed with other brands of PVRs too. It
    doesn't seem to me that it would be so easy with OpenViX, and I'm still
    not clear about recording iPlayer, etc, and what level of slo-mo and
    pause then forward/back frame step is available.


    Openvix doesn't do the Iplayer or the equivalent from other broadcasters.

    Openvix is just an image (software) that can be run of a dozen or more Enigma2 (linux basesd) boxes from different manufacturers and at
    different price points. The prices generally reflecting the
    specification of the box. However even the cheap boxes work very well.

    Openvix supports terrestrial or satellite receivers depending on tuners fitted. It can do both at the same time. I have a box with 2 satellite
    and 2 terrestrial tuners. All can be used at the same time for recording
    and watching from one of them on the TV. Add a hard disk and it becomes
    a fully functional PVR with the usual pause, recording jump through
    recorded adverts etc. BUT with no catch up TV from the internet.

    The boxes are fully networked. In-built ethernet and on some boxes
    inbuilt wi-fi, on others wi-fi with an optional USB dongle.

    The recording are the broadcast transport stream so they can be
    transferred over you network to be played on any device/software that supports the format.

    Openvix supports the 7 day over the air EPG from Freeview and Freesat
    and, if required, by tuning into transponder for Sky IEPG data the over
    the air 7 day EPG for sky. (possibly only necessary if you want the few extra free to air channels from sky). Optionally you can get the 7 day
    EPG over the internet, which is supported in OpenVix. It's advisable to
    only get the EPG from one source.

    All Openvix software is written by hobbyists and is very stable. There
    are a variety of both software writers and an an active team of alpha
    and beta testers. All appear to be active in the Openvix user forums.
    There is an update to add new features etc. around 6 times a year. In my experience the rare bugs missed by the alpha/beta testers with the issue
    of an upgrade are reported in the user forums and usually fixed within
    days. You have to realise that these boxes are highly configurable and
    used in many different ways. There are numerous plugins that can be
    installed by the user to enhance/change some of the functionality. Also
    while OpenVix is very UK friendly with regards support for UK
    terrestrial and satellite tuning they are used internationally so a user abroad may be using it with a completely different configuration.

    While highly configurable the default setting are more than adequate and sensible. Some users may want to implement a different skin with a
    horrendous colour scheme :) :)

    Yes the manual is out of date but in my experience owning these boxes
    for around 10 years I've never read the manual. There is a learning
    curve but nothing too bad for someone with some basic technical
    knowledge and common sense. It does help to know that for UK terrestrial
    or satellite use the Autoboquets options from the menu for tuning etc.

    On first startup or an upgrade there are "wizards" to help with network
    and tuning. All settings and images (versions of Openvix) can easily be backed up to a hard disk etc. and settings can be restored when a new
    upgrade is installed.

    Fast forward and backwards with recordings x2,x4, x8....... x128

    Slow motion, by default 2,4,8 (user configurable) but the effect may
    also be down to how the digital signal is broadcast, the GOP structure
    etc.

    Jump ford/backward 3 buttons on the remote enable to jump forward and 3
    to jump back. The times are user configurable but by default 15seconds,
    60 seconds and 300 seconds. Useful for skipping adverts.

    Its worth finding the inbuilt web interface for things like making user channel lists or re-ordering channels in the list/epg. The web interface
    is enabled by just typing the IP of te box in your internet browser
    address bar. Then web interface gives you full control of the box/openvix

    Thanks for the comprehensive explanation. I had hoped that OpenViX would
    be a solution for recording streams such as iPlayer, but sadly not. By
    the way, I'd wondered what "Autobouquet" was. An internet search turned
    up "bouquets" - it's weird how a term associated with a bunch of flowers
    has come to be used with digital TV!

    As to recording Freeview (I don't have a satellite dish), my Panasonic DMR-HWT130 still works, although I have a simple mains timer to switch
    it off for 15 minutes every day around 5am, as unless I do that it plays
    up and can miss recordings. However, it's now 11 years old, so how long
    the HD is going to continue to work is anybody's guess!
    --
    Jeff
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  • From Andy Burns@usenet@andyburns.uk to uk.tech.digital-tv on Sat Jul 18 08:34:18 2026
    From Newsgroup: uk.tech.digital-tv

    Jeff Layman wrote:

    By the way, I'd wondered what "Autobouquet" was. An internet search
    turned up "bouquets" - it's weird how a term associated with a bunch of flowers has come to be used with digital TV!

    TVheadend also uses the term ... in the same way that a mux refers to a
    group of channels, a bouquet refers to a group of muxes.

    Or perhaps a group of channels split across several muxes, but not
    necessarily consisting of every channel in every mux that contributes to
    the bouquet.

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  • From Jeff Gaines@jgnewsid@outlook.com to uk.tech.digital-tv on Sat Jul 18 07:43:08 2026
    From Newsgroup: uk.tech.digital-tv

    On 18/07/2026 in message <113ervq$39mgb$1@dont-email.me> Java Jive wrote:

    I've been thinking about restoring TV to the property for some time.

    Is it worth it? Broadcast TV is closing down and being replaced with
    streamed TV, you'd be better of with Freely or a decent streaming device, assuming you have a decent Internet connection.
    --
    Jeff Gaines Dorset UK
    Remember, the Flat Earth Society has members all around the globe.
    --- Synchronet 3.22a-Linux NewsLink 1.2
  • From Jeff Layman@Jeff@invalid.invalid to uk.tech.digital-tv on Sat Jul 18 11:17:16 2026
    From Newsgroup: uk.tech.digital-tv

    On 18/07/2026 08:43, Jeff Gaines wrote:
    On 18/07/2026 in message <113ervq$39mgb$1@dont-email.me> Java Jive wrote:

    I've been thinking about restoring TV to the property for some time.

    Is it worth it? Broadcast TV is closing down and being replaced with
    streamed TV, you'd be better of with Freely or a decent streaming device, assuming you have a decent Internet connection.

    Closing down *when*? Apart from The Guardian article (<https://www.theguardian.com/media/2026/jan/29/as-most-tv-viewers-tune-in-via-broadband-will-2034-signal-the-death-of-freeview>),
    now approaching six months old, there seems to have been nothing
    official on the subject. The article states:

    "After two years examining options for the future of the free-to-air
    service, the DCMS is due to deliver its verdict soon. It is looking at
    three options put forward by Ofcom: an expensive upgrade to FreeviewrCOs ageing technology; maintaining it as an extremely limited service with
    just a minimum of core channels from the BBC, ITV, Channel 4 and Channel
    5; and a rCLswitch off over the 2030srCY."

    I found some more info here: <https://www.chroniclelive.co.uk/news/cost-of-living/freeview-cut-off-date-confirmed-34074146>

    "In response, Minister of State for Digital Government and Data Ian
    Murray confirmed that no decision has yet been reached: rCLFollowing the consultation in 2021 on the renewal of digital terrestrial television
    (DTT) multiplex licences to which my honourable friend refers,
    Parliament legislated to secure the future of DTT until at least 2034.
    No decision has yet been made about the future of the DTT platform
    beyond this point."
    --
    Jeff
    --- Synchronet 3.22a-Linux NewsLink 1.2
  • From Jeff Gaines@jgnewsid@outlook.com to uk.tech.digital-tv on Sat Jul 18 10:53:29 2026
    From Newsgroup: uk.tech.digital-tv

    On 18/07/2026 in message <113fjrc$3cb1v$2@dont-email.me> Jeff Layman wrote:

    On 18/07/2026 08:43, Jeff Gaines wrote:
    On 18/07/2026 in message <113ervq$39mgb$1@dont-email.me> Java Jive wrote:

    I've been thinking about restoring TV to the property for some time.

    Is it worth it? Broadcast TV is closing down and being replaced with >>streamed TV, you'd be better of with Freely or a decent streaming device, >>assuming you have a decent Internet connection.

    Closing down when? Apart from The Guardian article >(<https://www.theguardian.com/media/2026/jan/29/as-most-tv-viewers-tune-in-via-broadband-will-2034-signal-the-death-of-freeview>),
    now approaching six months old, there seems to have been nothing official
    on the subject. The article states:

    "After two years examining options for the future of the free-to-air >service, the DCMS is due to deliver its verdict soon. It is looking at
    three options put forward by Ofcom: an expensive upgrade to FreeviewrCOs >ageing technology; maintaining it as an extremely limited service with
    just a minimum of core channels from the BBC, ITV, Channel 4 and Channel
    5; and a rCLswitch off over the 2030srCY."

    I found some more info here: ><https://www.chroniclelive.co.uk/news/cost-of-living/freeview-cut-off-date-confirmed-34074146>

    "In response, Minister of State for Digital Government and Data Ian Murray >confirmed that no decision has yet been reached: rCLFollowing the >consultation in 2021 on the renewal of digital terrestrial television
    (DTT) multiplex licences to which my honourable friend refers, Parliament >legislated to secure the future of DTT until at least 2034. No decision
    has yet been made about the future of the DTT platform beyond this point."

    I found it here:

    https://www.google.co.uk/search?as_q=when+will+freesat+close+down&as_epq=&as_eq=&as_sitesearch=&as_filetype=&as_qdr=&lr=&cr=&tbs=&authuser=

    and here:

    https://www.google.co.uk/search?as_q=when+will+freeview+close+down&as_epq=&as_eq=&as_sitesearch=&as_filetype=&as_qdr=&lr=&cr=&tbs=&authuser=
    --
    Jeff Gaines Dorset UK
    You can't tell which way the train went by looking at the tracks
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  • From Jeff Layman@Jeff@invalid.invalid to uk.tech.digital-tv on Sat Jul 18 12:48:24 2026
    From Newsgroup: uk.tech.digital-tv

    On 18/07/2026 11:53, Jeff Gaines wrote:
    On 18/07/2026 in message <113fjrc$3cb1v$2@dont-email.me> Jeff Layman wrote:

    On 18/07/2026 08:43, Jeff Gaines wrote:
    On 18/07/2026 in message <113ervq$39mgb$1@dont-email.me> Java Jive wrote: >>>
    I've been thinking about restoring TV to the property for some time.

    Is it worth it? Broadcast TV is closing down and being replaced with
    streamed TV, you'd be better of with Freely or a decent streaming device, >>> assuming you have a decent Internet connection.

    Closing down when? Apart from The Guardian article
    (<https://www.theguardian.com/media/2026/jan/29/as-most-tv-viewers-tune-in-via-broadband-will-2034-signal-the-death-of-freeview>),
    now approaching six months old, there seems to have been nothing official
    on the subject. The article states:

    "After two years examining options for the future of the free-to-air
    service, the DCMS is due to deliver its verdict soon. It is looking at
    three options put forward by Ofcom: an expensive upgrade to FreeviewrCOs
    ageing technology; maintaining it as an extremely limited service with
    just a minimum of core channels from the BBC, ITV, Channel 4 and Channel
    5; and a rCLswitch off over the 2030srCY."

    I found some more info here:
    <https://www.chroniclelive.co.uk/news/cost-of-living/freeview-cut-off-date-confirmed-34074146>

    "In response, Minister of State for Digital Government and Data Ian Murray >> confirmed that no decision has yet been reached: rCLFollowing the
    consultation in 2021 on the renewal of digital terrestrial television
    (DTT) multiplex licences to which my honourable friend refers, Parliament
    legislated to secure the future of DTT until at least 2034. No decision
    has yet been made about the future of the DTT platform beyond this point."

    I found it here:

    https://www.google.co.uk/search?as_q=when+will+freesat+close+down&as_epq=&as_eq=&as_sitesearch=&as_filetype=&as_qdr=&lr=&cr=&tbs=&authuser=

    and here:

    https://www.google.co.uk/search?as_q=when+will+freeview+close+down&as_epq=&as_eq=&as_sitesearch=&as_filetype=&as_qdr=&lr=&cr=&tbs=&authuser=

    OK. So those just confirm that no date has been set.

    I was amused by the Cord Busters nonsense:
    "Cord Busters was founded in 2016, as a destination for TV cord cutters
    in the UK: people who want to stop paying expensive cable/satellite
    bills, and instead focus on contract-free streaming services, such as
    Netflix, Disney+ and others, as well as free TV services such as
    Freeview and Freesat."

    So, stop paying expensive cable/satellite bills, and start paying for
    even more expensive streaming services bills! I wonder how many users
    are actively starting/stopping monthly streams to save money when there
    is supposedly nothing of interest to watch in a particular month? Hardly
    any, I reckon, as most will be paying by Direct Debit anyway.
    --
    Jeff
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  • From Roderick Stewart@rjfs@escapetime.myzen.co.uk to uk.tech.digital-tv on Sat Jul 18 13:42:43 2026
    From Newsgroup: uk.tech.digital-tv

    On Sat, 18 Jul 2026 11:17:16 +0100, Jeff Layman <Jeff@invalid.invalid>
    wrote:

    I've been thinking about restoring TV to the property for some time.

    Is it worth it? Broadcast TV is closing down and being replaced with
    streamed TV, you'd be better of with Freely or a decent streaming device,
    assuming you have a decent Internet connection.

    Closing down *when*? Apart from The Guardian article >(<https://www.theguardian.com/media/2026/jan/29/as-most-tv-viewers-tune-in-via-broadband-will-2034-signal-the-death-of-freeview>),
    now approaching six months old, there seems to have been nothing
    official on the subject.

    There doesn't need to be anything 'official' about it for the future
    of conventional broadcasting to be clear. The only thing in doubt is
    the time frame. Fibre to the home offers so many potential features
    with which one-way broadcasting by radio transmission cannot compete
    that it can only be a matter of time before it completely replaces all
    other communication and entertainment services in our homes.

    Rod.
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  • From Roderick Stewart@rjfs@escapetime.myzen.co.uk to uk.tech.digital-tv on Sat Jul 18 13:47:13 2026
    From Newsgroup: uk.tech.digital-tv

    On Sat, 18 Jul 2026 12:48:24 +0100, Jeff Layman <Jeff@invalid.invalid>
    wrote:

    So, stop paying expensive cable/satellite bills, and start paying for
    even more expensive streaming services bills!

    Amazon Prime costs considerably less than a BBC licence, and for that
    they deliver parcels as well. And if that's too much there's plenty of
    stuff you can watch without any subscriptions at all. Some of it has
    adverts, which you'd see anyway if you watched a broadcast. You just
    pay for what you want, and stop paying when you want, and nobody will
    threaten you with fines or prison for doing so. It's the future.

    Rod.
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  • From Abandoned Trolley@that.bloke@microsoft.com to uk.tech.digital-tv on Sat Jul 18 14:25:25 2026
    From Newsgroup: uk.tech.digital-tv



    Amazon Prime costs considerably less than a BBC licence, and for that
    they deliver parcels as well. And if that's too much there's plenty of
    stuff you can watch without any subscriptions at all. Some of it has
    adverts, which you'd see anyway if you watched a broadcast. You just
    pay for what you want, and stop paying when you want, and nobody will threaten you with fines or prison for doing so. It's the future.

    Rod.



    Theres also stacks of free films and other programmes on youtube if you
    dont mind the ads
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  • From Jeff Layman@Jeff@invalid.invalid to uk.tech.digital-tv on Sat Jul 18 14:37:30 2026
    From Newsgroup: uk.tech.digital-tv

    On 18/07/2026 14:25, Abandoned Trolley wrote:


    Amazon Prime costs considerably less than a BBC licence, and for that
    they deliver parcels as well. And if that's too much there's plenty of
    stuff you can watch without any subscriptions at all. Some of it has
    adverts, which you'd see anyway if you watched a broadcast. You just
    pay for what you want, and stop paying when you want, and nobody will
    threaten you with fines or prison for doing so. It's the future.

    Rod.

    Theres also stacks of free films and other programmes on youtube if you
    dont mind the ads

    I don't watch a lot of YouTube, but don't see ads when I view it through
    a browser on my laptop. Is that because of uBlock? I did try it once or
    twice as an app on the TV, but found the adverts very intrusive.
    --
    Jeff
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  • From Jeff Layman@Jeff@invalid.invalid to uk.tech.digital-tv on Sat Jul 18 14:42:34 2026
    From Newsgroup: uk.tech.digital-tv

    On 18/07/2026 13:47, Roderick Stewart wrote:
    On Sat, 18 Jul 2026 12:48:24 +0100, Jeff Layman <Jeff@invalid.invalid>
    wrote:

    So, stop paying expensive cable/satellite bills, and start paying for
    even more expensive streaming services bills!

    Amazon Prime costs considerably less than a BBC licence, and for that
    they deliver parcels as well. And if that's too much there's plenty of
    stuff you can watch without any subscriptions at all. Some of it has
    adverts, which you'd see anyway if you watched a broadcast. You just
    pay for what you want, and stop paying when you want, and nobody will threaten you with fines or prison for doing so. It's the future.

    How much is "subscription free" with the premium services such as
    Netflix, Paramount+, Disney+. etc

    It's not so much the adverts I am concerned about, it's the necessity to
    have an account - even if free - which makes me the product (ie data
    source for viewing statistics).
    --
    Jeff
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  • From Jeff Layman@Jeff@invalid.invalid to uk.tech.digital-tv on Sat Jul 18 14:55:18 2026
    From Newsgroup: uk.tech.digital-tv

    On 18/07/2026 13:42, Roderick Stewart wrote:
    On Sat, 18 Jul 2026 11:17:16 +0100, Jeff Layman <Jeff@invalid.invalid>
    wrote:

    I've been thinking about restoring TV to the property for some time.

    Is it worth it? Broadcast TV is closing down and being replaced with
    streamed TV, you'd be better of with Freely or a decent streaming device, >>> assuming you have a decent Internet connection.

    Closing down *when*? Apart from The Guardian article
    (<https://www.theguardian.com/media/2026/jan/29/as-most-tv-viewers-tune-in-via-broadband-will-2034-signal-the-death-of-freeview>),
    now approaching six months old, there seems to have been nothing
    official on the subject.

    There doesn't need to be anything 'official' about it for the future
    of conventional broadcasting to be clear. The only thing in doubt is
    the time frame.

    But that's the point. Until a time is announced there is *no* change!

    Fibre to the home offers so many potential features
    with which one-way broadcasting by radio transmission cannot compete
    that it can only be a matter of time before it completely replaces all
    other communication and entertainment services in our homes.

    No FTTP here, just FTTC. I'm pretty sure that Openreach's December 2026
    date will be passed for me and many others. Not that I need FTTP; FTTC
    is quite enough to stream UHD.

    It offers many more potential features to the broadcasters, programme
    makers, advertisers, and data collectors than it does to the viewers. Streaming on demand for /all/ programmes is not available present, but
    perhaps will be in the future, and that is the only "advantage" I can
    see. What other features do you see that are not already available on
    the internet to any broadband user?

    How will the viewer find out about new programmes other than endless adverts/trailers which already seem to fill in-between programme spaces,
    even (or should that be particularly!) on the BBC. Will we be getting a "Streaming Now and in Future" guide, with those able to pay more for
    premium spaces getting the best position to push their new programmes? I already find iPlayer annoying because it pushes what it thinks I should
    be watching rather than what I want to watch. I pay for the paper Radio
    Times because I find every EPG I find on line far more difficult to scan through in the same way that I can do with the RT.
    --
    Jeff
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  • From Roderick Stewart@rjfs@escapetime.myzen.co.uk to uk.tech.digital-tv on Sat Jul 18 16:16:36 2026
    From Newsgroup: uk.tech.digital-tv

    On Sat, 18 Jul 2026 14:42:34 +0100, Jeff Layman <Jeff@invalid.invalid>
    wrote:

    On 18/07/2026 13:47, Roderick Stewart wrote:
    On Sat, 18 Jul 2026 12:48:24 +0100, Jeff Layman <Jeff@invalid.invalid>
    wrote:

    So, stop paying expensive cable/satellite bills, and start paying for
    even more expensive streaming services bills!

    Amazon Prime costs considerably less than a BBC licence, and for that
    they deliver parcels as well. And if that's too much there's plenty of
    stuff you can watch without any subscriptions at all. Some of it has
    adverts, which you'd see anyway if you watched a broadcast. You just
    pay for what you want, and stop paying when you want, and nobody will
    threaten you with fines or prison for doing so. It's the future.

    How much is "subscription free" with the premium services such as
    Netflix, Paramount+, Disney+. etc

    Not every service offers free stuff. The premium services don't;
    that's why they're premium, but there are plenty of others that do.
    You pays your money (or not) and you makes your choice.

    It's not so much the adverts I am concerned about, it's the necessity to >have an account - even if free - which makes me the product (ie data
    source for viewing statistics).

    It's not the need to have accounts that I am concerned about, it's the necessity to watch or record broadcast services to somebody else's
    timetable instead of your own. With online services you don't need to
    record anything; the recordings are all there, whenever you want them.

    Whatever floats your boat, I suppose.

    Rod.
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  • From Jeff Gaines@jgnewsid@outlook.com to uk.tech.digital-tv on Sat Jul 18 15:17:22 2026
    From Newsgroup: uk.tech.digital-tv

    On 18/07/2026 in message <113g0k6$3cb20$3@dont-email.me> Jeff Layman wrote:

    On 18/07/2026 13:42, Roderick Stewart wrote:
    On Sat, 18 Jul 2026 11:17:16 +0100, Jeff Layman <Jeff@invalid.invalid> >>wrote:

    I've been thinking about restoring TV to the property for some time.

    Is it worth it? Broadcast TV is closing down and being replaced with >>>>streamed TV, you'd be better of with Freely or a decent streaming >>>>device,
    assuming you have a decent Internet connection.

    Closing down when? Apart from The Guardian article >>>(<https://www.theguardian.com/media/2026/jan/29/as-most-tv-viewers-tune-in-via-broadband-will-2034-signal-the-death-of-freeview>),
    now approaching six months old, there seems to have been nothing
    official on the subject.

    There doesn't need to be anything 'official' about it for the future
    of conventional broadcasting to be clear. The only thing in doubt is
    the time frame.

    But that's the point. Until a time is announced there is no change!

    We know a change is coming in the not too distant future, I made the
    choice not to invest in any more broadcast kit (aerial or receivers) but
    am concentrating on streaming kit.
    --
    Jeff Gaines Dorset UK
    We chose to do this not because it is easy but because we thought it would
    be easy.
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  • From Laurence Taylor@laurence@nospam.plus.com to uk.tech.digital-tv on Sat Jul 18 17:07:36 2026
    From Newsgroup: uk.tech.digital-tv

    On 18/07/2026 16:16, Roderick Stewart wrote:

    It's not the need to have accounts that I am concerned about, it's the necessity to watch or record broadcast services to somebody else's
    timetable instead of your own. With online services you don't need to
    record anything; the recordings are all there, whenever you want them.

    Until they aren't, and you find you can't watch what you want because
    it's been taken down. I prefer to have physical posession of stuff.
    --
    rgds
    LAurence
    <><

    People replying to my sig annoy me. That's why I change it all the time.
    ~~~ Random (signature) 1.6.1
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  • From Jeff Layman@Jeff@invalid.invalid to uk.tech.digital-tv on Sat Jul 18 18:07:23 2026
    From Newsgroup: uk.tech.digital-tv

    On 18/07/2026 17:07, Laurence Taylor wrote:
    On 18/07/2026 16:16, Roderick Stewart wrote:

    It's not the need to have accounts that I am concerned about, it's the
    necessity to watch or record broadcast services to somebody else's
    timetable instead of your own. With online services you don't need to
    record anything; the recordings are all there, whenever you want them.

    Until they aren't, and you find you can't watch what you want because
    it's been taken down. I prefer to have physical posession of stuff.

    Six years ago a car took out the BT cabinet here with all the DSLAM
    equipment in it. There were 176 households (including mine) with no
    internet connection for a week. A couple of years later an SSE crew cut through the BT cables to half-a-dozen or so houses here. I was without broadband internet for a couple of days. I do have a mobile phone, but
    it only has 10GB a month allowance. There's not too much you could
    stream with that.
    --
    Jeff
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  • From Andy Burns@usenet@andyburns.uk to uk.tech.digital-tv on Sat Jul 18 19:36:59 2026
    From Newsgroup: uk.tech.digital-tv

    Jeff Layman wrote:

    I do have a mobile phone, but it only has 10GB a month allowance.
    There's not too much you could stream with that.

    But it'd let you buy a SIM with a larger allowance ...

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  • From Spike@aero.spike@mail.com to uk.tech.digital-tv on Sat Jul 18 18:46:29 2026
    From Newsgroup: uk.tech.digital-tv

    Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> wrote:
    Jeff Layman wrote:

    I do have a mobile phone, but it only has 10GB a month allowance.
    There's not too much you could stream with that.

    But it'd let you buy a SIM with a larger allowance ...

    Most providers let you buy a (temporary) data boost of some kind, which is
    what I did when a woman showing off her new Beemer totalled (as in rCytotally flattenedrCO) the local cabinet. It was quite interesting seeing what new
    WiFi networks sprung up as a result.
    --
    Spike
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  • From David Wade@g4ugm@dave.invalid to uk.tech.digital-tv on Sun Jul 19 00:24:27 2026
    From Newsgroup: uk.tech.digital-tv

    On 18/07/2026 14:55, Jeff Layman wrote:
    On 18/07/2026 13:42, Roderick Stewart wrote:
    On Sat, 18 Jul 2026 11:17:16 +0100, Jeff Layman <Jeff@invalid.invalid>
    wrote:

    I've been thinking about restoring TV to the property for some time.

    Is it worth it? Broadcast TV is closing down and being replaced with
    streamed TV, you'd be better of with Freely or a decent streaming
    device,
    assuming you have a decent Internet connection.

    Closing down *when*? Apart from The Guardian article
    (<https://www.theguardian.com/media/2026/jan/29/as-most-tv-viewers-tune-in-via-broadband-will-2034-signal-the-death-of-freeview>),
    now approaching six months old, there seems to have been nothing
    official on the subject.

    There doesn't need to be anything 'official' about it for the future
    of conventional broadcasting to be clear. The only thing in doubt is
    the time frame.

    But that's the point. Until a time is announced there is *no* change!


    Its pretty much written in the contracts. The transmitters are owned by Arqiva. The BBCs contracts expire in 2030, ITV in 2034. There is no way
    these contracts will be renewed in their current form. The broadcasters
    don't want it. Arqiva have proposed a reduced service, with three
    multiplexes rather than the current six, but the broadcasters are
    arguing for a total move to streaming.

    https://www.broadbandtvnews.com/2026/06/09/arqiva-proposes-slimmed-down-freeview-network-through-to-2045/

    so things will change from 2034, its just how much will they change.

    Fibre to the home offers so many potential features
    with which one-way broadcasting by radio transmission cannot compete
    that it can only be a matter of time before it completely replaces all
    other communication and entertainment services in our homes.

    No FTTP here, just FTTC. I'm pretty sure that Openreach's December 2026
    date will be passed for me and many others. Not that I need FTTP; FTTC
    is quite enough to stream UHD.


    The January 2027 deadline is not about the demise of FTTC it is about
    the demise of the PSTN. So if you still have a real telephone you won't
    have by then. Yes it might look like a real telephone, and fit in the
    wall socket, but it will be converted to VOIP in the "Exchange" and you
    will have to dial the full number.

    FTTC is not scheduled to be retired until 2030...


    It offers many more potential features to the broadcasters, programme makers, advertisers, and data collectors than it does to the viewers. Streaming on demand for /all/ programmes is not available present, but perhaps will be in the future, and that is the only "advantage" I can
    see. What other features do you see that are not already available on
    the internet to any broadband user?


    which as well as the costs, is why the broadcasters want to ditch
    broadcast TV

    How will the viewer find out about new programmes other than endless adverts/trailers which already seem to fill in-between programme spaces, even (or should that be particularly!) on the BBC. Will we be getting a "Streaming Now and in Future" guide, with those able to pay more for
    premium spaces getting the best position to push their new programmes? I already find iPlayer annoying because it pushes what it thinks I should
    be watching rather than what I want to watch. I pay for the paper Radio Times because I find every EPG I find on line far more difficult to scan through in the same way that I can do with the RT.

    The demise of broadcast TV isn't the same as the demise of linear TV.
    Perhaps Radio Times will continue.

    I think one thing which you didn't mention, perhaps you are not aware of
    is "Freely" which is replacing YouView/Freeview Play on many new TVs.

    It delivers a hybrid broadcast/streamed equivalent of almost all of the Freeview channels so could provide a transparent migration from linear broadcast to linear streamed TV.

    You can already simply connect a Freely set to the Internet and it will deliver the vast majority of Freeview channels over the internet.
    If you connect an antenna it will select the off-air signals.

    So if you have a TV with Freely its already equipped to provide a
    seamless transition from broadcast TV to Streamed Linear TV.

    That bastion of the UK press "The Times" already publishes sections
    entitled "The best on Netflix/Sky/Disney+/Prime/...."


    By the way, I must say I am not great at predicting the future so your
    vision might be truer..

    Dave
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  • From Roderick Stewart@rjfs@escapetime.myzen.co.uk to uk.tech.digital-tv on Sun Jul 19 08:35:24 2026
    From Newsgroup: uk.tech.digital-tv

    On Sat, 18 Jul 2026 18:07:23 +0100, Jeff Layman <Jeff@invalid.invalid>
    wrote:

    On 18/07/2026 17:07, Laurence Taylor wrote:
    On 18/07/2026 16:16, Roderick Stewart wrote:

    It's not the need to have accounts that I am concerned about, it's the
    necessity to watch or record broadcast services to somebody else's
    timetable instead of your own. With online services you don't need to
    record anything; the recordings are all there, whenever you want them.

    Until they aren't, and you find you can't watch what you want because
    it's been taken down. I prefer to have physical posession of stuff.

    Six years ago a car took out the BT cabinet here with all the DSLAM >equipment in it. There were 176 households (including mine) with no
    internet connection for a week. A couple of years later an SSE crew cut >through the BT cables to half-a-dozen or so houses here. I was without >broadband internet for a couple of days. I do have a mobile phone, but
    it only has 10GB a month allowance. There's not too much you could
    stream with that.

    I have a mobile phone bundle that gives me unlimited calls and texts
    and 3GB data for u5 per month. This is enough for my normal usage, but
    there's an app on my phone with which I can check at any time how much
    data has been used, and buy more on a one-off basis or upgrade to a
    different bundle. In other words, my 'allowance' can be whatever I
    want it to be, and I'm in control of it.

    And if I ever have to be without the use of the internet for any
    length of time, I still know how to read books.

    Rod.
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  • From Roderick Stewart@rjfs@escapetime.myzen.co.uk to uk.tech.digital-tv on Sun Jul 19 08:54:25 2026
    From Newsgroup: uk.tech.digital-tv

    On Sun, 19 Jul 2026 00:24:27 +0100, David Wade <g4ugm@dave.invalid>
    wrote:

    The January 2027 deadline is not about the demise of FTTC it is about
    the demise of the PSTN. So if you still have a real telephone you won't
    have by then. Yes it might look like a real telephone, and fit in the
    wall socket, but it will be converted to VOIP in the "Exchange" and you
    will have to dial the full number.

    My telephone is exactly the same one I've had since before my landline
    was removed when my connection was changed to fibre. It plugs into the
    router instead of a wall socket, but in use it works exactly as it did
    before. I didn't have to change any settings on the phone and I don't
    have to dial anything different. When people call me they call the
    same number as before, and nobody has commented on any percieved
    difference. If anything, the sound is clearer.

    And there's a neat feature of my system (Zen with Fritzbox) that I
    don't think they all have. I can make or answer calls on the house
    phone using an app on my mobile. This is sometimes handy anyway, and
    my mobile has much better speakerphone performance and a battery that
    doesn't conk out after an hour or so like most cordless handsets that
    use a couple of AAA cells.

    Rod.
    --- Synchronet 3.22a-Linux NewsLink 1.2
  • From Jeff Layman@Jeff@invalid.invalid to uk.tech.digital-tv on Sun Jul 19 09:12:04 2026
    From Newsgroup: uk.tech.digital-tv

    On 18/07/2026 19:36, Andy Burns wrote:
    Jeff Layman wrote:

    I do have a mobile phone, but it only has 10GB a month allowance.
    There's not too much you could stream with that.

    But it'd let you buy a SIM with a larger allowance ...

    True, but several months ago I "lost" mobile internet here. It was very
    odd; When I first turned my phone on early in the morning, the
    connection was fine (over 15Mbps). Over the next couple of hours I
    slowly lost the connection (the phone still connected without issue over
    wifi using my landline broadband. It also worked perfectly for text and
    phone calls). Eventually, it stopped accessing the internet completely.
    Next morning things were ok, and then dropped off again - and so on.

    After a few days I called into the local Vodafone shop (15km away). They tested the phone and it connected ok, and also said there was nothing
    wrong with the mast I used at home. When I got home I lost the
    connection over the next couple of hours.

    A week later I was in a city about the same distance away and went into
    the larger Voda shop there. I recounted the problem, and they again
    tested the phone and said it was ok. They also checked the information
    for my (home) mast and said it was ok, but also said I should report the
    issue online to Voda (which I'd already done).

    When I got home the connection remained ok, and the next morning was
    fine too, and has remained that way since. Coincidence after calling
    into the second Voda shop?

    All I'm trying to point out is that within the last few years I've lost broadband/mobile connection several times. For the previous 50 years or
    so with analogue and now digital terrestrial TV, the only time I lost a
    signal was after the great storm of 1987 which "realigned" my TV aerial.
    --
    Jeff
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  • From Jeff Layman@Jeff@invalid.invalid to uk.tech.digital-tv on Sun Jul 19 10:22:41 2026
    From Newsgroup: uk.tech.digital-tv

    On 19/07/2026 08:54, Roderick Stewart wrote:
    On Sun, 19 Jul 2026 00:24:27 +0100, David Wade <g4ugm@dave.invalid>
    wrote:

    The January 2027 deadline is not about the demise of FTTC it is about
    the demise of the PSTN. So if you still have a real telephone you won't
    have by then. Yes it might look like a real telephone, and fit in the
    wall socket, but it will be converted to VOIP in the "Exchange" and you
    will have to dial the full number.

    My telephone is exactly the same one I've had since before my landline
    was removed when my connection was changed to fibre. It plugs into the
    router instead of a wall socket, but in use it works exactly as it did before. I didn't have to change any settings on the phone and I don't
    have to dial anything different. When people call me they call the
    same number as before, and nobody has commented on any percieved
    difference. If anything, the sound is clearer.

    And there's a neat feature of my system (Zen with Fritzbox) that I
    don't think they all have. I can make or answer calls on the house
    phone using an app on my mobile. This is sometimes handy anyway, and
    my mobile has much better speakerphone performance and a battery that
    doesn't conk out after an hour or so like most cordless handsets that
    use a couple of AAA cells.

    I'm on digital voice with Zen too. As you say, it works fine with the
    original (DECT) phone. The only strange thing I've found is that when a
    call in is terminated, there are three or four engaged tones heard
    before the phone disconnects. Oddly, they appear at the end of an
    answerphone message left on the DECT too!
    --
    Jeff
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  • From jon@reading.mostly@crap.org to uk.tech.digital-tv on Sun Jul 19 16:02:27 2026
    From Newsgroup: uk.tech.digital-tv

    On Sun, 19 Jul 2026 08:35:24 +0100, Roderick Stewart wrote:

    On Sat, 18 Jul 2026 18:07:23 +0100, Jeff Layman <Jeff@invalid.invalid>
    wrote:

    On 18/07/2026 17:07, Laurence Taylor wrote:
    On 18/07/2026 16:16, Roderick Stewart wrote:

    It's not the need to have accounts that I am concerned about, it's
    the necessity to watch or record broadcast services to somebody
    else's timetable instead of your own. With online services you don't
    need to record anything; the recordings are all there, whenever you
    want them.

    Until they aren't, and you find you can't watch what you want because
    it's been taken down. I prefer to have physical posession of stuff.

    Six years ago a car took out the BT cabinet here with all the DSLAM >>equipment in it. There were 176 households (including mine) with no >>internet connection for a week. A couple of years later an SSE crew cut >>through the BT cables to half-a-dozen or so houses here. I was without >>broadband internet for a couple of days. I do have a mobile phone, but
    it only has 10GB a month allowance. There's not too much you could
    stream with that.

    I have a mobile phone bundle that gives me unlimited calls and texts and
    3GB data for -u5 per month. This is enough for my normal usage, but
    there's an app on my phone with which I can check at any time how much
    data has been used, and buy more on a one-off basis or upgrade to a
    different bundle. In other words, my 'allowance' can be whatever I want
    it to be, and I'm in control of it.

    And if I ever have to be without the use of the internet for any length
    of time, I still know how to read books.

    Rod.

    My phone auto connects to the hub and uses my internet connection whilst I
    am at home.
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  • From alan_m@junk@admac.myzen.co.uk to uk.tech.digital-tv on Mon Jul 20 07:31:18 2026
    From Newsgroup: uk.tech.digital-tv

    On 18/07/2026 08:34, Andy Burns wrote:
    Jeff Layman wrote:

    By the way, I'd wondered what "Autobouquet" was. An internet search
    turned up "bouquets" - it's weird how a term associated with a bunch
    of flowers has come to be used with digital TV!

    TVheadend also uses the term ... in the same way that a mux refers to a group of channels, a bouquet refers to a group of muxes.

    Or perhaps a group of channels split across several muxes, but not necessarily consisting of every channel in every mux that contributes to
    the bouquet.


    In openvix speak "bouquet" = a just list of channels BBC, BBC2, ITV,
    PBS, Taking pictures etc. When first tuning with the use of the "wizard"
    it will be all the channels from all MUXs or all transponders on the
    satellite

    In openvix there are user configurable filters to exclude channels that
    are not Free to air, "adult" , +1 channels etc. from the list. The list
    can also be manipulated to delete channels or move the order etc.
    You can have multiple/custom bouquets (lists).

    A bouquet is different from the EPG. The bouquet is just the list of
    channel names, which the software knows where to find on the MUX or transponder. The EPG is the data to populate these lists with program information which is retrieved over the air via the broadcast or via the internet, determined by the user preference.
    --
    mailto : news {at} admac {dot} myzen {dot} co {dot} uk
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  • From Dave W@davewi11@yahoo.co.uk to uk.tech.digital-tv on Sat Jul 25 20:32:15 2026
    From Newsgroup: uk.tech.digital-tv

    On 18/07/2026 04:29, Java Jive wrote:
    *-a The wind comes barrelling across the loch and straight into the
    house, anything not robust and weighted down will be destroyed &/or
    blown away; I usually use my wheelbarrow upturned to protect my mower
    from rain where it's parked partially sheltered by a big tall hedge and
    a corner of the house, but one day even that was blown off and now I
    weigh it down with lumps of rock!

    Given the wind problem, I'm wondering how to mount a satellite dish securely.-a There is no possibility of mounting one on most of the walls, because they were made of bits of random stone and rocks, which mostly
    are impossibly hard to drill, held together weakly by a crumbly
    substance that once may or may not have had any real mortar in it.

    Is there a stout tree nearby on which to mount the dish? My dish is
    fixed at ground level to the trunk of an ash tree at the bottom of my
    garden, far enough away to be line-of-sight to the satellite over the
    house roof.
    --
    Dave W

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  • From Java Jive@java@evij.com.invalid to uk.tech.digital-tv on Sat Jul 25 22:25:03 2026
    From Newsgroup: uk.tech.digital-tv

    On 2026-07-25 20:32, Dave W wrote:
    On 18/07/2026 04:29, Java Jive wrote:
    *-a The wind comes barrelling across the loch and straight into the
    house, anything not robust and weighted down will be destroyed &/or
    blown away; I usually use my wheelbarrow upturned to protect my mower
    from rain where it's parked partially sheltered by a big tall hedge
    and a corner of the house, but one day even that was blown off and now
    I weigh it down with lumps of rock!

    Given the wind problem, I'm wondering how to mount a satellite dish
    securely.-a There is no possibility of mounting one on most of the
    walls, because they were made of bits of random stone and rocks, which
    mostly are impossibly hard to drill, held together weakly by a crumbly
    substance that once may or may not have had any real mortar in it.

    Is there a stout tree nearby on which to mount the dish? My dish is
    fixed at ground level to the trunk of an ash tree at the bottom of my garden, far enough away to be line-of-sight to the satellite over the
    house roof.

    Thanks for the thought, but I don't think there's anything very suitable
    close enough. The land behind the house was clear-felled not long
    before I moved in, and has been naturally regenerating ever since, so
    all the trees on it are thin and bendy. The trees on my land are more
    bushy than anything else, so are thin and bendy in a different way.
    --

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  • From alan_m@junk@admac.myzen.co.uk to uk.tech.digital-tv on Sun Jul 26 07:15:59 2026
    From Newsgroup: uk.tech.digital-tv

    On 25/07/2026 22:25, Java Jive wrote:


    Thanks for the thought, but I don't think there's anything very suitable close enough.-a The land behind the house was clear-felled not long
    before I moved in, and has been naturally regenerating ever since, so
    all the trees on it are thin and bendy.-a The trees on my land are more bushy than anything else, so are thin and bendy in a different way.


    A bit of scaffolding pole concreted into the ground? The dish doesn't
    have to mounted high - it just needs line of sight and not obscured by undergrowth etc.
    --
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  • From Abandoned Trolley@that.bloke@microsoft.com to uk.tech.digital-tv on Sun Jul 26 08:39:20 2026
    From Newsgroup: uk.tech.digital-tv

    On 26/07/2026 07:15, alan_m wrote:
    On 25/07/2026 22:25, Java Jive wrote:


    Thanks for the thought, but I don't think there's anything very
    suitable close enough.-a The land behind the house was clear-felled not
    long before I moved in, and has been naturally regenerating ever
    since, so all the trees on it are thin and bendy.-a The trees on my
    land are more bushy than anything else, so are thin and bendy in a
    different way.


    A bit of scaffolding pole concreted into the ground?-a The dish doesn't
    have to mounted high - it just needs line of sight and not obscured by undergrowth etc.



    tripod mount frame thingys used to be available for this exact purpose -
    so no need to mess around with concrete - apart from the bags of
    concrete required to stop it blowing away in a gale
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  • From Java Jive@java@evij.com.invalid to uk.tech.digital-tv on Sun Jul 26 15:49:53 2026
    From Newsgroup: uk.tech.digital-tv

    On 2026-07-26 08:39, Abandoned Trolley wrote:

    On 26/07/2026 07:15, alan_m wrote:

    On 25/07/2026 22:25, Java Jive wrote:

    Thanks for the thought, but I don't think there's anything very
    suitable close enough.-a The land behind the house was clear-felled
    not long before I moved in, and has been naturally regenerating ever
    since, so all the trees on it are thin and bendy.-a The trees on my
    land are more bushy than anything else, so are thin and bendy in a
    different way.

    A bit of scaffolding pole concreted into the ground?-a The dish doesn't
    have to mounted high - it just needs line of sight and not obscured by
    undergrowth etc.

    tripod mount frame thingys used to be available for this exact purpose -
    so no need to mess around with concrete-a - apart from the bags of
    concrete required to stop it blowing away in a gale

    Tx to both. Tripod, I don't think so, too easily disturbed.
    Scaffolding pole, not quite solid enough to hold the dish steady in a gale.

    As far as I've thought about it, I think something like an old telegraph
    pole but about half the height, with a footing about a metre long buried
    in concrete, is probably about the best that can be done. At the
    moment, there are only ever sheep in the field it would look over, but
    there are plenty of cattle around here as well, so the dish would have
    to be high enough to have an unobstructed view over the heads of any
    cattle in the field next door, yet solid enough that it wouldn't move
    too much in a gale. I would probably put it about a metre or so inside
    the boundary fence, because if it was part of the boundary fence
    livestock would scratch themselves on the pole, their doing this is a
    large factor in the posts in the local boundary fences breaking and
    getting pushed over.
    --

    Fake news kills!

    I may be contacted via the contact address given on my website: www.macfh.co.uk

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  • From alan_m@junk@admac.myzen.co.uk to uk.tech.digital-tv on Sun Jul 26 17:44:47 2026
    From Newsgroup: uk.tech.digital-tv

    On 26/07/2026 15:49, Java Jive wrote:
    On 2026-07-26 08:39, Abandoned Trolley wrote:

    On 26/07/2026 07:15, alan_m wrote:

    On 25/07/2026 22:25, Java Jive wrote:

    Thanks for the thought, but I don't think there's anything very
    suitable close enough.-a The land behind the house was clear-felled
    not long before I moved in, and has been naturally regenerating ever
    since, so all the trees on it are thin and bendy.-a The trees on my
    land are more bushy than anything else, so are thin and bendy in a
    different way.

    A bit of scaffolding pole concreted into the ground?-a The dish
    doesn't have to mounted high - it just needs line of sight and not
    obscured by undergrowth etc.

    tripod mount frame thingys used to be available for this exact purpose
    - so no need to mess around with concrete-a - apart from the bags of
    concrete required to stop it blowing away in a gale

    Tx to both.-a Tripod, I don't think so, too easily disturbed. Scaffolding pole, not quite solid enough to hold the dish steady in a gale.

    It's better or equivalent to the same size poles used to mount a dish
    above the eves of a house to obtain the signal over the roof.

    http://www.wrightsaerials.tv/reference/dish-screened-by-roof.pdf

    However if in scotishland you need a dish larger than 65cm (Zone 2
    sky/freesat dish = 80cm x 60Cm elliptical)


    As far as I've thought about it, I think something like an old telegraph pole but about half the height, with a footing about a metre long buried
    in concrete, is probably about the best that can be done.-a At the
    moment, there are only ever sheep in the field it would look over, but
    there are plenty of cattle around here as well, so the dish would have
    to be high enough to have an unobstructed view over the heads of any
    cattle in the field next door, yet solid enough that it wouldn't move
    too much in a gale.

    You may be surprised how low the dish can be installed to clear an
    obstacle in the path.

    Go to https://www.dishpointer.com/
    Select "28.2E astra 2F/2G for the satellite
    Enter your location (by postcode etc.)

    A map will be displayed with a green line showing the direction your
    dish needs to be pointed.
    You can move the end of the green line to your exact installation location.
    In the dish setup data you can see the elevation for the signal
    (Scotland approx 18 to 20 degrees) so the dish only needs to be 6m away
    get clear a 2m high cow assuming the dish was mounted at ground level.
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  • From Java Jive@java@evij.com.invalid to uk.tech.digital-tv on Sun Jul 26 22:15:50 2026
    From Newsgroup: uk.tech.digital-tv

    On 2026-07-26 17:44, alan_m wrote:

    You may be surprised how low the dish can be installed to clear an
    obstacle in the path.

    Go to https://www.dishpointer.com/
    Select "28.2E astra 2F/2G for the satellite
    Enter your location (by postcode etc.)

    A map will be displayed with a green line showing the direction your
    dish needs to be pointed.
    You can move the end of the green line to your exact installation location. In the dish setup data you can see the elevation for the signal
    (Scotland approx 18 to 20 degrees) so the dish only needs to be 6m away
    get clear a 2m high cow assuming the dish was mounted at ground level.

    Yes, I know all about that, I used to have as good or better dish and
    aerial pointing pages on my site, but after Google broke them for the
    third time by some pointless update or other, while their documentation
    pages remained a decade out of date, and they wanted my CC details in
    case my site went over a free usage limit, I gave them the middle
    finger. At the time I hoped to fix the pages using other free
    alternatives, but have just been way too busy with other, to me, more important things.
    --

    Fake news kills!

    I may be contacted via the contact address given on my website: www.macfh.co.uk

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  • From Abandoned Trolley@that.bloke@microsoft.com to uk.tech.digital-tv on Mon Jul 27 07:33:50 2026
    From Newsgroup: uk.tech.digital-tv

    On 01/07/2026 12:35, Jeff Gaines wrote:

    After the problems with my my Freesat-4k-Recordable (which seem to be
    heat related rather than HDD related) I have been poking around for alternatives to receive/record satellite TV which might be more amenable
    to saving those recordings and playing them on other devices.

    Names I have found are Octagon SF8008 and Zgemma H7S.

    Anybody here use anything like this (or similar) who can give (or point
    me to) a review?

    I would need it to be reasonably plug and play although I do have a
    Linux box so have some familiarity with Linux, long, long, way from
    being any sort of expert though.



    This thread has only been rattling on for nearly a month, so maybe its a
    bit early to ask why you specify a "Non Freesat" box
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  • From Jeff Gaines@jgnewsid@outlook.com to uk.tech.digital-tv on Mon Jul 27 07:53:55 2026
    From Newsgroup: uk.tech.digital-tv

    On 27/07/2026 in message <1146u4d$2vlo0$1@dont-email.me> Abandoned Trolley wrote:

    On 01/07/2026 12:35, Jeff Gaines wrote:

    After the problems with my my Freesat-4k-Recordable (which seem to be >>heat related rather than HDD related) I have been poking around for >>alternatives to receive/record satellite TV which might be more amenable >>to saving those recordings and playing them on other devices.

    Names I have found are Octagon SF8008 and Zgemma H7S.

    Anybody here use anything like this (or similar) who can give (or point >>me to) a review?

    I would need it to be reasonably plug and play although I do have a Linux >>box so have some familiarity with Linux, long, long, way from being any >>sort of expert though.



    This thread has only been rattling on for nearly a month, so maybe its a
    bit early to ask why you specify a "Non Freesat" box

    As an alternative to my Freesat branded box.
    --
    Jeff Gaines Dorset UK
    Those are my principles rCo and if you donrCOt like them, well, I have
    others.
    (Groucho Marx)
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  • From Abandoned Trolley@that.bloke@microsoft.com to uk.tech.digital-tv on Mon Jul 27 10:32:45 2026
    From Newsgroup: uk.tech.digital-tv



    As an alternative to my Freesat branded box.



    OK ..


    some Freesat boxes (like a couple of my Humax(en?) can be switched to a non-freesat mode, for the viewing of non-freesat channels. Once set up,
    they store 2 completely different channel lists.


    Just in case you were interested ....
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  • From Jeff Gaines@jgnewsid@outlook.com to uk.tech.digital-tv on Mon Jul 27 11:00:26 2026
    From Newsgroup: uk.tech.digital-tv

    On 27/07/2026 in message <11478js$32vkc$1@dont-email.me> Abandoned Trolley wrote:



    As an alternative to my Freesat branded box.



    OK ..


    some Freesat boxes (like a couple of my Humax(en?) can be switched to a >non-freesat mode, for the viewing of non-freesat channels. Once set up,
    they store 2 completely different channel lists.


    Just in case you were interested ....

    I was really interested in something that covered all streaming options
    AND recorded streamed programmes but it doesn't appear to exist.

    My Freesat box streams the "play it again" programmes and my NVidia Shield streams anything for which an Android app is available but nothing I have found records.
    --
    Jeff Gaines Dorset UK
    That's an amazing invention but who would ever want to use one of them? (President Hayes speaking to Alexander Graham Bell on the invention of the telephone)
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  • From Dave W@davewi11@yahoo.co.uk to uk.tech.digital-tv on Mon Aug 3 22:02:16 2026
    From Newsgroup: uk.tech.digital-tv

    On 26/07/2026 15:49, Java Jive wrote:
    On 2026-07-26 08:39, Abandoned Trolley wrote:

    On 26/07/2026 07:15, alan_m wrote:

    On 25/07/2026 22:25, Java Jive wrote:

    Thanks for the thought, but I don't think there's anything very
    suitable close enough.-a The land behind the house was clear-felled
    not long before I moved in, and has been naturally regenerating ever
    since, so all the trees on it are thin and bendy.-a The trees on my
    land are more bushy than anything else, so are thin and bendy in a
    different way.

    A bit of scaffolding pole concreted into the ground?-a The dish
    doesn't have to mounted high - it just needs line of sight and not
    obscured by undergrowth etc.

    tripod mount frame thingys used to be available for this exact purpose
    - so no need to mess around with concrete-a - apart from the bags of
    concrete required to stop it blowing away in a gale

    Tx to both.-a Tripod, I don't think so, too easily disturbed. Scaffolding pole, not quite solid enough to hold the dish steady in a gale.

    As far as I've thought about it, I think something like an old telegraph pole but about half the height, with a footing about a metre long buried
    in concrete, is probably about the best that can be done.-a At the
    moment, there are only ever sheep in the field it would look over, but
    there are plenty of cattle around here as well, so the dish would have
    to be high enough to have an unobstructed view over the heads of any
    cattle in the field next door, yet solid enough that it wouldn't move
    too much in a gale.-a I would probably put it about a metre or so inside
    the boundary fence, because if it was part of the boundary fence
    livestock would scratch themselves on the pole, their doing this is a
    large factor in the posts in the local boundary fences breaking and
    getting pushed over.

    Add a fence round the dish at suitable height and distance so that the
    dish looks above the backs of the cattle.
    --
    Dave W
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  • From Indy Jess John@bathwatchdog@OMITTHISgooglemail.com to uk.tech.digital-tv on Tue Aug 4 10:07:15 2026
    From Newsgroup: uk.tech.digital-tv

    On 03/08/2026 22:02, Dave W wrote:
    On 26/07/2026 15:49, Java Jive wrote:
    On 2026-07-26 08:39, Abandoned Trolley wrote:

    On 26/07/2026 07:15, alan_m wrote:

    On 25/07/2026 22:25, Java Jive wrote:

    Thanks for the thought, but I don't think there's anything very
    suitable close enough.-a The land behind the house was clear-felled >>>>> not long before I moved in, and has been naturally regenerating
    ever since, so all the trees on it are thin and bendy.-a The trees
    on my land are more bushy than anything else, so are thin and bendy >>>>> in a different way.

    A bit of scaffolding pole concreted into the ground?-a The dish
    doesn't have to mounted high - it just needs line of sight and not
    obscured by undergrowth etc.

    tripod mount frame thingys used to be available for this exact
    purpose - so no need to mess around with concrete-a - apart from the
    bags of concrete required to stop it blowing away in a gale

    Tx to both.-a Tripod, I don't think so, too easily disturbed.
    Scaffolding pole, not quite solid enough to hold the dish steady in a
    gale.

    As far as I've thought about it, I think something like an old
    telegraph pole but about half the height, with a footing about a metre
    long buried in concrete, is probably about the best that can be done.
    At the moment, there are only ever sheep in the field it would look
    over, but there are plenty of cattle around here as well, so the dish
    would have to be high enough to have an unobstructed view over the
    heads of any cattle in the field next door, yet solid enough that it
    wouldn't move too much in a gale.-a I would probably put it about a
    metre or so inside the boundary fence, because if it was part of the
    boundary fence livestock would scratch themselves on the pole, their
    doing this is a large factor in the posts in the local boundary fences
    breaking and getting pushed over.

    Add a fence round the dish at suitable height and distance so that the
    dish looks above the backs of the cattle.

    The elevation of the Astra satellite is about 27 degrees above
    horizontal if you want to work out how far the dish needs to be from any cattle.

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  • From Abandoned Trolley@that.bloke@microsoft.com to uk.tech.digital-tv on Tue Aug 4 12:33:14 2026
    From Newsgroup: uk.tech.digital-tv



    The elevation of the Astra satellite is about 27 degrees above
    horizontal if you want to work out how far the dish needs to be from any cattle.



    not forgetting that the dish is unlikely to be parabolic, so the LNB is
    not likely to be at the focal point, so the elevation angle will be much
    less ....

    (in theory, the dish itself needs to be rotated a bit as well, but thats
    much less important)
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  • From Dave W@davewi11@yahoo.co.uk to uk.tech.digital-tv on Tue Aug 4 17:05:11 2026
    From Newsgroup: uk.tech.digital-tv

    On 03/08/2026 22:02, Dave W wrote:
    Add a fence round the dish at suitable height and distance so that the
    dish looks above the backs of the cattle.

    I should have added that the fence is just to keep the animals at a
    distance, so can be low and lets the wind through.
    --
    Dave W
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  • From Woody@harrogate3@ntlworld.com to uk.tech.digital-tv on Tue Aug 4 19:26:34 2026
    From Newsgroup: uk.tech.digital-tv

    On Tue 04/08/2026 10:07, Indy Jess John wrote:
    On 03/08/2026 22:02, Dave W wrote:
    On 26/07/2026 15:49, Java Jive wrote:
    On 2026-07-26 08:39, Abandoned Trolley wrote:

    On 26/07/2026 07:15, alan_m wrote:

    On 25/07/2026 22:25, Java Jive wrote:

    Thanks for the thought, but I don't think there's anything very
    suitable close enough.-a The land behind the house was clear-felled >>>>>> not long before I moved in, and has been naturally regenerating
    ever since, so all the trees on it are thin and bendy.-a The trees >>>>>> on my land are more bushy than anything else, so are thin and
    bendy in a different way.

    A bit of scaffolding pole concreted into the ground?-a The dish
    doesn't have to mounted high - it just needs line of sight and not
    obscured by undergrowth etc.

    tripod mount frame thingys used to be available for this exact
    purpose - so no need to mess around with concrete-a - apart from the
    bags of concrete required to stop it blowing away in a gale

    Tx to both.-a Tripod, I don't think so, too easily disturbed.
    Scaffolding pole, not quite solid enough to hold the dish steady in a
    gale.

    As far as I've thought about it, I think something like an old
    telegraph pole but about half the height, with a footing about a
    metre long buried in concrete, is probably about the best that can be
    done. At the moment, there are only ever sheep in the field it would
    look over, but there are plenty of cattle around here as well, so the
    dish would have to be high enough to have an unobstructed view over
    the heads of any cattle in the field next door, yet solid enough that
    it wouldn't move too much in a gale.-a I would probably put it about a
    metre or so inside the boundary fence, because if it was part of the
    boundary fence livestock would scratch themselves on the pole, their
    doing this is a large factor in the posts in the local boundary
    fences breaking and getting pushed over.

    Add a fence round the dish at suitable height and distance so that the
    dish looks above the backs of the cattle.

    The elevation of the Astra satellite is about 27 degrees above
    horizontal if you want to work out how far the dish needs to be from any cattle.

    As a 'Sky' dish uses an off-centre LNB, if the dish is dead vertical the
    LNB will be looking upwards by 25 degrees. The south coast of the UK
    requires about 26.2 degrees upwards so the dish will need upward tilt.,
    Here in Harrogate it will need 22.7deg so the dish will actually need
    to tilt slightly downwrads.
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