• "drop straps?" "no, can't drop the ticker".

    From J. P. Gilliver@G6JPG@255soft.uk to uk.tech.broadcast on Sat Apr 11 01:20:04 2026
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    It's LONG been evident that BBC News is far too wedded to its on-screen
    graphic strap, but it was particularly infuriating in the last minute or
    so before the splashdown: understandably, the camera framing wasn't rock-steady, so the capsule under its parachutes was at times right at
    the bottom of the picture, where we couldn't see it because of the BBC
    graphics - and someone pressed the wrong button, so we heard someone in
    the studio saying something like "can we drop the straps?" (meaning the
    bar across the bottom of the screen), and someone else replying "no,
    can't drop the ticker".
    Come on, BBC! Yes, I know the headline ticker is important for people
    just tuning in, or whatever. But at significant times like this ...
    And it's not as if it is new: the same held during the briefings during
    CoViD, when often on-screen graphs and similar were obscured because
    someone couldn't press the appropriate strap-killer button in time.
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  • From NY@me@privacy.net to uk.tech.broadcast on Sat Apr 11 16:03:50 2026
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    On 11/04/2026 01:20, J. P. Gilliver wrote:
    It's LONG been evident that BBC News is far too wedded to its on-screen graphic strap, but it was particularly infuriating in the last minute or
    so before the splashdown: understandably, the camera framing wasn't rock-steady, so the capsule under its parachutes was at times right at
    the bottom of the picture, where we couldn't see it because of the BBC graphics - and someone pressed the wrong button, so we heard someone in
    the studio saying something like "can we drop the straps?" (meaning the
    bar across the bottom of the screen), and someone else replying "no,
    can't drop the ticker".

    Come on, BBC! Yes, I know the headline ticker is important for people
    just tuning in, or whatever. But at significant times like this ...

    I was watching on the BBC News website to begin with, and set my PVR to
    record Sky News.

    Both were affected by the dreaded strapline problem. You'd think that
    news studios all over the world who are takng NASA's feed would have
    spotted that NASA's cameras weren't framing the picture with a safety
    margin for ticker straplines, and would have done one of two things in response: either drop the strapline for the few minutes when they were
    playing the video feed, or else zoom the picture out slightly so the
    whole of the NASA frame is visible at a slightly smaller size within the
    news studio's own output that includes the strapline.

    I wonder if in general news cameramen are instructed that if possible
    they should try to frame their pictures with some "safety space" so
    nothing that is critically important appears in the bottom bit of the
    screen in case straplines obscure it.

    What was interesting on the Sky News footage, at times when the craft
    itself was not obscured by the strapline, was that on the IR camera, you
    could see the craft repeatedly "blowing off" with jets of hot gas
    pointing *upwards* (at about 30 degrees to vertical), when you'd think
    that any thrusters would be pointing downwards to provide retardation in addition to the parachutes. But we're only armchair viewers, not NASA experts...
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  • From Old John@watcombeman@yahoo.co.uk to uk.tech.broadcast on Sat Apr 11 16:21:55 2026
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    On 11 Apr 2026 at 16:03:50 BST, "NY" <me@privacy.net> wrote:

    On 11/04/2026 01:20, J. P. Gilliver wrote:
    It's LONG been evident that BBC News is far too wedded to its on-screen
    graphic strap, but it was particularly infuriating in the last minute or
    so before the splashdown: understandably, the camera framing wasn't
    rock-steady, so the capsule under its parachutes was at times right at
    the bottom of the picture, where we couldn't see it because of the BBC
    graphics - and someone pressed the wrong button, so we heard someone in
    the studio saying something like "can we drop the straps?" (meaning the
    bar across the bottom of the screen), and someone else replying "no,
    can't drop the ticker".

    Come on, BBC! Yes, I know the headline ticker is important for people
    just tuning in, or whatever. But at significant times like this ...

    I was watching on the BBC News website to begin with, and set my PVR to record Sky News.

    Both were affected by the dreaded strapline problem. You'd think that
    news studios all over the world who are takng NASA's feed would have
    spotted that NASA's cameras weren't framing the picture with a safety
    margin for ticker straplines, and would have done one of two things in response: either drop the strapline for the few minutes when they were playing the video feed, or else zoom the picture out slightly so the
    whole of the NASA frame is visible at a slightly smaller size within the
    news studio's own output that includes the strapline.

    I wonder if in general news cameramen are instructed that if possible
    they should try to frame their pictures with some "safety space" so
    nothing that is critically important appears in the bottom bit of the
    screen in case straplines obscure it.

    What was interesting on the Sky News footage, at times when the craft
    itself was not obscured by the strapline, was that on the IR camera, you could see the craft repeatedly "blowing off" with jets of hot gas
    pointing *upwards* (at about 30 degrees to vertical), when you'd think
    that any thrusters would be pointing downwards to provide retardation in addition to the parachutes. But we're only armchair viewers, not NASA experts...

    I saw the "blowing off" too, on the BBC News app. It puzzled me; thanks you
    for the explanation!
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  • From J. P. Gilliver@G6JPG@255soft.uk to uk.tech.broadcast on Sat Apr 11 22:51:40 2026
    From Newsgroup: uk.tech.broadcast

    On 2026/4/11 17:21:55, Old John wrote:
    On 11 Apr 2026 at 16:03:50 BST, "NY" <me@privacy.net> wrote:

    On 11/04/2026 01:20, J. P. Gilliver wrote:
    It's LONG been evident that BBC News is far too wedded to its on-screen
    graphic strap, but it was particularly infuriating in the last minute or >>> so before the splashdown: understandably, the camera framing wasn't
    rock-steady, so the capsule under its parachutes was at times right at
    the bottom of the picture, where we couldn't see it because of the BBC
    graphics - and someone pressed the wrong button, so we heard someone in
    the studio saying something like "can we drop the straps?" (meaning the
    bar across the bottom of the screen), and someone else replying "no,
    can't drop the ticker".

    Come on, BBC! Yes, I know the headline ticker is important for people
    just tuning in, or whatever. But at significant times like this ...

    I was watching on the BBC News website to begin with, and set my PVR to
    record Sky News.

    Both were affected by the dreaded strapline problem. You'd think that
    news studios all over the world who are takng NASA's feed would have
    spotted that NASA's cameras weren't framing the picture with a safety
    margin for ticker straplines, and would have done one of two things in
    response: either drop the strapline for the few minutes when they were
    playing the video feed, or else zoom the picture out slightly so the
    whole of the NASA frame is visible at a slightly smaller size within the
    news studio's own output that includes the strapline.

    I wonder if in general news cameramen are instructed that if possible
    they should try to frame their pictures with some "safety space" so
    nothing that is critically important appears in the bottom bit of the
    screen in case straplines obscure it.

    What was interesting on the Sky News footage, at times when the craft
    itself was not obscured by the strapline, was that on the IR camera, you
    could see the craft repeatedly "blowing off" with jets of hot gas
    pointing *upwards* (at about 30 degrees to vertical), when you'd think
    that any thrusters would be pointing downwards to provide retardation in
    addition to the parachutes. But we're only armchair viewers, not NASA
    experts...

    I saw the "blowing off" too, on the BBC News app. It puzzled me; thanks you for the explanation!

    Didn't occur to me that they were deliberate; I assumed they were just
    parts of the fiery process. Though I suppose if manoeuvering jets _were_
    still being used, you probably don't want them pointing into the
    inferno, as it might interfere with/damage their operation. But as NY
    says, we're only armchair engineers!
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  • From JMB99@mb@nospam.net to uk.tech.broadcast on Sun Apr 12 08:18:27 2026
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    On 11/04/2026 22:51, J. P. Gilliver wrote:
    Didn't occur to me that they were deliberate; I assumed they were just
    parts of the fiery process. Though I suppose if manoeuvering jets_were_
    still being used, you probably don't want them pointing into the
    inferno, as it might interfere with/damage their operation. But as NY
    says, we're only armchair engineers!


    They possibly have to discharge any of the remaining gases once landed,
    before the rescue crews approach the capsule?




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  • From NY@me@privacy.net to uk.tech.broadcast on Sun Apr 12 21:29:03 2026
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    On 12/04/2026 08:18, JMB99 wrote:
    On 11/04/2026 22:51, J. P. Gilliver wrote:
    Didn't occur to me that they were deliberate; I assumed they were just
    parts of the fiery process. Though I suppose if manoeuvering jets_were_
    still being used, you probably don't want them pointing into the
    inferno, as it might interfere with/damage their operation. But as NY
    says, we're only armchair engineers!


    They possibly have to discharge any of the remaining gases once landed, before the rescue crews approach the capsule?

    This was in the last couple of hundred of feet before splashdown, and it looked hot (ie light-coloured IR):

    <https://i.postimg.cc/qMPBFJnz/Sky-News-20260411-0100-233-Sky-News-(02).jpg> normal

    <https://i.postimg.cc/Mp1Z2CbH/Sky-News-20260411-0100-233-Sky-News-(03).jpg> blowing-off
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