• BBC Radio 4 REWINDER: Old Man of Hoy

    From JMB99@mb@nospam.net to uk.tech.broadcast on Sat Jan 31 10:40:29 2026
    From Newsgroup: uk.tech.broadcast

    This programme just been telling the story of the BBC Old Man of Hoy
    Outside Broadcast.


    DOCUMENTARY: Rewinder
    On: BBC Radio 4
    Date: Saturday 31st January 2026 (25 minutes left)
    Time: 10:30 to 11:00 (30 minutes long)

    Greg James digs into the BBC's archives of audio, video, vinyl,
    photographs and documents, using current stories to examine ones from
    the past.
    (New Series, Series 14, Episode 1)

    Starring: Greg James

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    Marked By: 'Category: Documentary' marker ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
    Excerpt taken from DigiGuide - the world's best TV guide available from http://www.getdigiguide.tv/?p=1&r=7346

    Copyright (c) GipsyMedia Limited.
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  • From Woody@harrogate3@ntlworld.com to uk.tech.broadcast on Sat Jan 31 16:22:35 2026
    From Newsgroup: uk.tech.broadcast

    On Sat 31/01/2026 10:40, JMB99 wrote:
    This programme just been telling the story of the BBC Old Man of Hoy
    Outside Broadcast.


    DOCUMENTARY: Rewinder
    On: BBC Radio 4
    Date: Saturday 31st January 2026 (25 minutes left)
    Time: 10:30 to 11:00 (30 minutes long)

    Greg James digs into the BBC's archives of audio, video, vinyl,
    photographs and documents, using current stories to examine ones from
    the past.
    (New Series, Series 14, Episode 1)

    Starring: Greg James

    ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
    Marked By: 'Category: Documentary' marker ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
    Excerpt taken from DigiGuide - the world's best TV guide available from http://www.getdigiguide.tv/?p=1&r=7346

    Copyright (c) GipsyMedia Limited.

    I don't remember the original but I do remember watching Joe Brown
    repeat it in the early 80s!

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  • From Roderick Stewart@rjfs@escapetime.myzen.co.uk to uk.tech.broadcast on Sun Feb 1 08:30:08 2026
    From Newsgroup: uk.tech.broadcast

    On Sat, 31 Jan 2026 10:40:29 +0000, JMB99 <mb@nospam.net> wrote:

    This programme just been telling the story of the BBC Old Man of Hoy
    Outside Broadcast.


    DOCUMENTARY: Rewinder
    On: BBC Radio 4
    Date: Saturday 31st January 2026 (25 minutes left)
    Time: 10:30 to 11:00 (30 minutes long)

    Greg James digs into the BBC's archives of audio, video, vinyl,
    photographs and documents, using current stories to examine ones from
    the past.
    (New Series, Series 14, Episode 1)

    Starring: Greg James

    ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
    Marked By: 'Category: Documentary' marker >~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
    Excerpt taken from DigiGuide - the world's best TV guide available from >http://www.getdigiguide.tv/?p=1&r=7346

    Copyright (c) GipsyMedia Limited.

    They probably didn't mention it in the radio broadcast but I remember
    this as being one of the earliest, or maybe *the* earliest
    implementations of the BBC's Natlock system being used in slavelock
    mode.

    This was a system for controlling the timings of synchronising pulse
    generators to ensure that video signals from a remote source were
    synchronous with local ones at the inputs to the mixer so they could
    be switched, faded etc without picture disturbances. There were two
    fundamental ways it could be used, either the local SPG could be
    brought into sync with the incoming signal, or it could send error
    tones over an audio circuit to control the SPG at the remote site.

    It was an ingenious system and could work very well, though not always suitable. For example, the regional centres didn't like being slaved
    to Lime Grove while they were playing recorded material to their local transmitters, because while the timings were being adjusted the signal
    was just far enough out of spec to upset videotape recorders. In the
    worst case it could take several minutes to bring a remote source into
    sync, so if a region had a contribution to make to a London programme
    such as 'Nationwide' (remember that?) in the first couple of minutes
    it couldn't be guaranteed that there was enough time to make it synchronous.There was an unavoidable element of chance that the
    incoming signal would be synchronous, and if it wasn't, all they could
    do was make a non-synchronous cut and hope it was close enough not to
    be too noticeable.

    Rod.
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  • From Charles Hope@clh@candehope.me.uk to uk.tech.broadcast on Sun Feb 1 11:00:02 2026
    From Newsgroup: uk.tech.broadcast

    On 01/02/2026 08:30, Roderick Stewart wrote:
    On Sat, 31 Jan 2026 10:40:29 +0000, JMB99 <mb@nospam.net> wrote:

    This programme just been telling the story of the BBC Old Man of Hoy
    Outside Broadcast.


    DOCUMENTARY: Rewinder
    On: BBC Radio 4
    Date: Saturday 31st January 2026 (25 minutes left)
    Time: 10:30 to 11:00 (30 minutes long)

    Greg James digs into the BBC's archives of audio, video, vinyl,
    photographs and documents, using current stories to examine ones from
    the past.
    (New Series, Series 14, Episode 1)

    Starring: Greg James

    ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
    Marked By: 'Category: Documentary' marker
    ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
    Excerpt taken from DigiGuide - the world's best TV guide available from
    http://www.getdigiguide.tv/?p=1&r=7346

    Copyright (c) GipsyMedia Limited.

    They probably didn't mention it in the radio broadcast but I remember
    this as being one of the earliest, or maybe *the* earliest
    implementations of the BBC's Natlock system being used in slavelock
    mode.

    This was a system for controlling the timings of synchronising pulse generators to ensure that video signals from a remote source were
    synchronous with local ones at the inputs to the mixer so they could
    be switched, faded etc without picture disturbances. There were two fundamental ways it could be used, either the local SPG could be
    brought into sync with the incoming signal, or it could send error
    tones over an audio circuit to control the SPG at the remote site.

    It was an ingenious system and could work very well, though not always suitable. For example, the regional centres didn't like being slaved
    to Lime Grove while they were playing recorded material to their local transmitters, because while the timings were being adjusted the signal
    was just far enough out of spec to upset videotape recorders. In the
    worst case it could take several minutes to bring a remote source into
    sync, so if a region had a contribution to make to a London programme
    such as 'Nationwide' (remember that?) in the first couple of minutes
    it couldn't be guaranteed that there was enough time to make it synchronous.There was an unavoidable element of chance that the
    incoming signal would be synchronous, and if it wasn't, all they could
    do was make a non-synchronous cut and hope it was close enough not to
    be too noticeable.

    Rod.
    For many years there needed to be a return audio path from TVC to the
    Outside Broadcast. It wasn't always possible. Eventually, the control
    signals were sent via Ceefaz, so as long as the Ob could get off-air
    pictures - all was fine.
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  • From JMB99@mb@nospam.net to uk.tech.broadcast on Mon Feb 2 08:31:55 2026
    From Newsgroup: uk.tech.broadcast

    On 01/02/2026 11:00, Charles Hope wrote:

    For many years there needed to be a return audio path from TVC to the Outside Broadcast. It wasn't always possible. Eventually, the control signals were sent via Ceefaz, so as long as the Ob could get off-air pictures - all was fine.



    When they did a climbing OB from Glencoe, they used an off air (sound
    only) signal from Ballachulish (or Torosay) and fed it up to the OB
    point over a VHF or UHF link for cueing as no TV reception in Glencoe.

    Some local guides were used as porters and overnight security on the
    hills.

    They had a helicopter on hire so someone the night before had an idea
    (after a few drinks presumably). They got their hotel to make up a
    cooked breakfast for the guides up on the hill and it was flown up with
    full 'Silver Service' and waiter.

    (Though they might have preferred a waitress).

    They had one of the BBC's first satellite uplinks in Glencoe but it was
    still experimental (and not approved by the unions?) so rigged OB links
    back to some point in Central Scotland.


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  • From Paul Ratcliffe@abuse@orac12.clara34.co56.uk78 to uk.tech.broadcast on Tue Feb 10 00:17:22 2026
    From Newsgroup: uk.tech.broadcast

    On Mon, 02 Feb 26 12:15:02 UTC, Charles Hope <clh@candehope.me.uk>
    wrote:

    On the BBC Staff magazine (Arial)

    That'll be Ariel, Chuck.
    The other one's a typeface.
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