Kistening to the nice old film at
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hCoheqhlQ_k (about 3:45 in):
"a continuous stream of water must circulate round, not only their
anodes, but" - what does it say? It sounds to me like "to their filament supports".
"J. P. Gilliver" wrote:
Kistening to the nice old film at https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hCoheqhlQ_k (about 3:45 in):
"a continuous stream of water must circulate round, not only their
anodes, but" - what does it say? It sounds to me like "to their filament supports".
"not only their anodes, but their filament supports"
"J. P. Gilliver" wrote:
Kistening to the nice old film at https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hCoheqhlQ_k (about 3:45 in):
"a continuous stream of water must circulate round, not only their
anodes, but" - what does it say? It sounds to me like "to their filament supports".
"not only their anodes, but their filament supports"
Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> wrote:[fascinating stuff deleted]
"J. P. Gilliver" wrote:
Kistening to the nice old film at
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hCoheqhlQ_k (about 3:45 in):
"a continuous stream of water must circulate round, not only their
anodes, but" - what does it say? It sounds to me like "to their filament >>> supports".
"not only their anodes, but their filament supports"
That would be almost correct: it's not the supports that need cooling
but the seals where the filament wires enter the bulb.
This means the seals must be cooled to keep the peak temperature down to
the point where the compressive or tension stresses in the seals are
within their design limits and don't either shatter the glass or pull
the seal apart. Often this is done by blowing air onto the seals (economically by bleeding-off some of the air that has already cooled
the anode). I suppose water-cooled seals could be used equally well but
I have only read older textbooks and they don't mention that
possibility.
Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> wrote:
"J. P. Gilliver" wrote:
Kistening to the nice old film at
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hCoheqhlQ_k (about 3:45 in):
"a continuous stream of water must circulate round, not only their
anodes, but" - what does it say? It sounds to me like "to their filament >> > supports".
"not only their anodes, but their filament supports"
What a charming film. I visited Droitwich when I was at Evesham in '68. >Somebody (maybe the Ariel club) arranged a charabanc outing for those
few of us fledgeling TAs who were interested.
The cooling water in the film reminds me of the valves in the final amps
of the new 250KW senders* then being installed at Skelton SW station.
They had external anodes sitting in de-ionised water baths and cooled by >boiling the water.
* Marconi BD272Cs with two BY1144Ls in class C push-pull in the final
and similar (I think in class B) in the modulator. Final and modulator
each had 11kV DC at 26A on the anodes and ran very hot.
On Sun, 28 Jun 2026 23:01:42 +0100, snipeco.2@gmail.com (Sn!pe) wrote:
Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> wrote:
"J. P. Gilliver" wrote:
Kistening to the nice old film at
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hCoheqhlQ_k (about 3:45 in):
"a continuous stream of water must circulate round, not only their
anodes, but" - what does it say? It sounds to me like "to their filament >>>> supports".
"not only their anodes, but their filament supports"
What a charming film. I visited Droitwich when I was at Evesham in '68.
Somebody (maybe the Ariel club) arranged a charabanc outing for those
few of us fledgeling TAs who were interested.
The cooling water in the film reminds me of the valves in the final amps
of the new 250KW senders* then being installed at Skelton SW station.
They had external anodes sitting in de-ionised water baths and cooled by
boiling the water.
* Marconi BD272Cs with two BY1144Ls in class C push-pull in the final
and similar (I think in class B) in the modulator. Final and modulator
each had 11kV DC at 26A on the anodes and ran very hot.
I must have been in the same group, as we've established we were both
on TA 28, and I also remember a visit to Droitwich. I particularly
remember the huge goldfish in the cooling water tank. The water is
circulated in order to cool it, but still remains quite warm, and
apparently this enables the fish to thrive.
Another memory of Droitwich was the fact that any workbench
oscilloscope at Wood Norton with an open circuit probe would display
not a clear thin horizontal line as you'd expect with no input signal,
but a fuzzy line, pulsating in an apparently random manner. My
curiosity piqued, I eventually found with the aid of a portable radio
that the pulsations weren't random at all but perfectly synchronised
to the audio on Radio 2. FM reception was rubbish there, but you could
easily pick up the longwave signal without even a tuned circuit.
By the way, did anyone else notice in the credits at the end of the
film, sound by E. A. Pawley? I think I've seen that name before.
Rod.
Another memory of Droitwich was the fact that any workbench
oscilloscope at Wood Norton with an open circuit probe would display
not a clear thin horizontal line as you'd expect with no input signal,
but a fuzzy line, pulsating in an apparently random manner. My
curiosity piqued, I eventually found with the aid of a portable radio
that the pulsations weren't random at all but perfectly synchronised
to the audio on Radio 2. FM reception was rubbish there, but you could
easily pick up the longwave signal without even a tuned circuit.
yes, I know the name. He wrote the book "BBC Engineering 1922-1972"
which is sitting on my bookshelf.
On 29/06/2026 11:30, Charles Hope wrote:
yes, I know the name. He wrote the book "BBC Engineering 1922-1972"
which is sitting on my bookshelf.
It can be downloaded from somewhere on the BBC website I think.
Off topic but the book on Radar in Scotland in WWII can now be
downloaded. Some good pictures in there also.
On 2026/6/29 14:48:18, JMB99 wrote:
On 29/06/2026 11:30, Charles Hope wrote:
yes, I know the name. He wrote the book "BBC Engineering 1922-1972"
which is sitting on my bookshelf.
It can be downloaded from somewhere on the BBC website I think.
Off topic but the book on Radar in Scotland in WWII can now be
downloaded. Some good pictures in there also.
For some interesting observations on WWII radar, I recommend (if you can
find it) "Glide Path", by Arthur C. Clarke (the science-fiction author);
it's actually not fiction, but an account of his experiences in that
field. (Including a furious RAF bigwig coming into the radar room, after they'd offered to "talk him down" as a demonstration of radar's
capabilities, saying if he'd followed their instructions, he'd have
landed in a swamp or something; they'd actually followed the blip from a
much larger 'plane which had landed at the same time, quite unaware of
the radar experiments). It's a nicely-written book - though not fiction,
his writing skills make it seem you are there.
J. P. Gilliver <G6JPG@255soft.uk> wrote:[]
[]On 29/06/2026 11:30, Charles Hope wrote:
[]Off topic but the book on Radar in Scotland in WWII can now beFor some interesting observations on WWII radar, I recommend (if you can
downloaded. Some good pictures in there also.
find it) "Glide Path", by Arthur C. Clarke (the science-fiction author);
it's actually not fiction, but an account of his experiences in that
There is a very strong disclaimer at the start of the book that the characters are entirely ficticious and nobody should try to connect them
with real people. One of the characters appears to me to be amazingly similar to Fred Deveraux, the Editor of Wireless World, who published Clarke's famous paper on Satellites.
There is also a hidden joke about the appearance of one of the radar
trucks - it is referred to as a "Chick Sale" but the reference is not explained.
On 2026/6/30 9:4:36, Liz Tuddenham wrote:
J. P. Gilliver <G6JPG@255soft.uk> wrote:[]
[]On 29/06/2026 11:30, Charles Hope wrote:
[]Off topic but the book on Radar in Scotland in WWII can now beFor some interesting observations on WWII radar, I recommend (if you can >> find it) "Glide Path", by Arthur C. Clarke (the science-fiction author); >> it's actually not fiction, but an account of his experiences in that
downloaded. Some good pictures in there also.
There is a very strong disclaimer at the start of the book that the characters are entirely ficticious and nobody should try to connect them with real people. One of the characters appears to me to be amazingly similar to Fred Deveraux, the Editor of Wireless World, who published Clarke's famous paper on Satellites.
Whatever, I found it a both interesting and enjoyable read.
(I'm just glad to find someone else who's actually come across it!)
There is also a hidden joke about the appearance of one of the radar
trucks - it is referred to as a "Chick Sale" but the reference is not explained.
Schicksaal?
Marconi BD272Cs with two BY1144Ls in class C push-pull in the final
and similar (I think in class B) in the modulator. Final and modulator
each had 11kV DC at 26A on the anodes and ran very hot.
J. P. Gilliver <G6JPG@255soft.uk> wrote:[]
On 2026/6/30 9:4:36, Liz Tuddenham wrote:
J. P. Gilliver <G6JPG@255soft.uk> wrote:[]
[]On 29/06/2026 11:30, Charles Hope wrote:
Off topic but the book on Radar in Scotland in WWII can now be
There is also a hidden joke about the appearance of one of the radarSchicksaal?
trucks - it is referred to as a "Chick Sale" but the reference is not
explained.
No.
Chick (Charles) Sale was an actor who also wrote a book called "The Specialist" about a general carpenter who decides to specialise in
making privvies. The wooden excrescence on the back of one of the
trucks resembled an outside privvy, so calling it a "Chick Sale" was an
'in' joke among the Americans, which the British didn't understand.
Sn!pe wrote:
Marconi BD272Cs with two BY1144Ls in class C push-pull in the final
and similar (I think in class B) in the modulator. Final and modulator
each had 11kV DC at 26A on the anodes and ran very hot.
I found it odd that the power to each valve was given in hp, but I
suppose mains electricity was relatively new-fangled for many people to
be familiar with kW?
J. P. Gilliver <G6JPG@255soft.uk> wrote:
On 2026/6/30 9:4:36, Liz Tuddenham wrote:
J. P. Gilliver <G6JPG@255soft.uk> wrote:[]
[]On 29/06/2026 11:30, Charles Hope wrote:
[]Off topic but the book on Radar in Scotland in WWII can now beFor some interesting observations on WWII radar, I recommend (if you can >>>> find it) "Glide Path", by Arthur C. Clarke (the science-fiction author); >>>> it's actually not fiction, but an account of his experiences in that
downloaded. Some good pictures in there also.
There is a very strong disclaimer at the start of the book that theWhatever, I found it a both interesting and enjoyable read.
characters are entirely ficticious and nobody should try to connect them >>> with real people. One of the characters appears to me to be amazingly
similar to Fred Deveraux, the Editor of Wireless World, who published
Clarke's famous paper on Satellites.
(I'm just glad to find someone else who's actually come across it!)
Schicksaal?
There is also a hidden joke about the appearance of one of the radar
trucks - it is referred to as a "Chick Sale" but the reference is not
explained.
No.
Chick (Charles) Sale was an actor who also wrote a book called "The Specialist" about a general carpenter who decides to specialise in
making privvies. The wooden excrescence on the back of one of the
trucks resembled an outside privvy, so calling it a "Chick Sale" was an
'in' joke among the Americans, which the British didn't understand.
Chick (Charles) Sale was an actor who also wrote a book called "The Specialist" about a general carpenter who decides to specialise in
making privvies.
On 30/06/2026 10:28, Liz Tuddenham wrote:
Chick (Charles) Sale was an actor who also wrote a book called "The Specialist" about a general carpenter who decides to specialise in
making privvies.
There's a short film based on it.
Ah. Reminds me (and slightly back on-topic!) of the lengthy discussion
we had here a few years ago, as to why OB control vans are referred to
as "scanner"; the_consensus_ was that it/was/ derived from Baird's OB
vehicle that covered the Derby (and thus contained a Baird-system mirror scanner), though other ideas (such as it containing the central sync. generator for all the outside cameras) remained supported by factions.
Daily Mirror - Tuesday 19 January 1937
MYSTERY VANS TO TELEVISE THE CORONATION
A SPECIAL CORRESPONDENT
THREE grey-green plain vans are on their way to the B. B. C. rCo a vital
but "hush-hush" link in the B. B. C.'s Coronation broadcasts of television. Yesterday I was able to inspect the layouts of these mysterious vans.
The first has a little window at the side through which the nose of a television scanner peeps. This van will be driven along the route to
vantage points where the B. B. C. can televise the Coronation procession. Following it will be a second van containing apparatus costing more than -u4,000. There is a special ultra-short-wave transmitter, working below 7 metres, which will broadcast the television from the route to the B. B. C. Signals will be picked up by several receivers around London rCo one of
them probably on Broadcasting House itself rCo and re-broadcast from the television station at Alexandra Palace.
The third van contains the other B. B. C. secret apparatus. If the
electric power mains break down it will not stop the broadcast, for the
B. B. C. " makes its own juice."
Post Office engineers are laying down special cables all over London, so that travelling B. B. C. commentators can plug in their microphones. "Lobby"rCo Mr. de Lotbiniere. the Outside Broadcast DirectorrCois still giving tests to special commentators who will describe on the air the progress of the ceremony and the procession.
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