• Long-wave close down

    From Scott@newsgroups@gefion.myzen.co.uk to uk.tech.broadcast on Sat Jun 27 17:40:41 2026
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    I listened to the 'loop' on 198 kHz this this morning. Two comments:
    1. I did not recognise the 'presenter'. Is he a BBC man or maybe an
    Arqiva employee?
    2. The signal seemed weak and electrical interference was
    particularly bad. I wonder if they have reduced the power of the
    transmitters - or even closed Westerglen and Burghead, leaving
    Droitwich as the only transmitting station in operation?
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  • From JMB99@mb@nospam.net to uk.tech.broadcast on Sat Jun 27 18:29:58 2026
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    On 27/06/2026 17:40, Scott wrote:
    2. The signal seemed weak and electrical interference was
    particularly bad. I wonder if they have reduced the power of the
    transmitters - or even closed Westerglen and Burghead, leaving
    Droitwich as the only transmitting station in operation?


    There is nothing about running at different power levels. It was normal
    to go to higher power as it got dark.



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  • From liz@liz@poppyrecords.invalid.invalid (Liz Tuddenham) to uk.tech.broadcast on Sat Jun 27 19:35:28 2026
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    Scott <newsgroups@gefion.myzen.co.uk> wrote:

    I listened to the 'loop' on 198 kHz this this morning. Two comments:
    1. I did not recognise the 'presenter'. Is he a BBC man or maybe an
    Arqiva employee?
    2. The signal seemed weak and electrical interference was
    particularly bad. I wonder if they have reduced the power of the
    transmitters - or even closed Westerglen and Burghead, leaving
    Droitwich as the only transmitting station in operation?

    In the South-West of England the power is lower than usual but still
    quite strong. The announcer has a Scottish accent so he could be any of
    the Radio 4 staff.
    --
    ~ Liz Tuddenham ~
    (Remove the ".invalid"s and add ".co.uk" to reply)
    www.poppyrecords.co.uk
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  • From Scott@newsgroups@gefion.myzen.co.uk to uk.tech.broadcast on Sat Jun 27 19:49:04 2026
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    On Sat, 27 Jun 2026 18:29:58 +0100, JMB99 <mb@nospam.net> wrote:

    On 27/06/2026 17:40, Scott wrote:
    2. The signal seemed weak and electrical interference was
    particularly bad. I wonder if they have reduced the power of the
    transmitters - or even closed Westerglen and Burghead, leaving
    Droitwich as the only transmitting station in operation?

    There is nothing about running at different power levels. It was normal
    to go to higher power as it got dark.

    I know that but I am suggesting they might have reduced the power now
    that they are no longer broadcasting R4 and only broadcasting a retune
    loop (*). They might even have turned off the additional transmitters
    and be using the main transmitter (Droitwich) only. I just wondered.

    (*) See definition elsewhere.
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  • From Max Demian@max_demian@bigfoot.com to uk.tech.broadcast on Sun Jun 28 09:59:48 2026
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    On 27/06/2026 17:40, Scott wrote:
    I listened to the 'loop' on 198 kHz this this morning. Two comments:
    1. I did not recognise the 'presenter'. Is he a BBC man or maybe an
    Arqiva employee?

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K-aMKDiaO74

    2. The signal seemed weak and electrical interference was
    particularly bad. I wonder if they have reduced the power of the
    transmitters - or even closed Westerglen and Burghead, leaving
    Droitwich as the only transmitting station in operation?

    There were crackles but they seem to have stopped now. Maybe thunderstorms.
    --
    Max Demian
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  • From Max Demian@max_demian@bigfoot.com to uk.tech.broadcast on Sun Jun 28 10:33:15 2026
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    On 28/06/2026 09:59, Max Demian wrote:
    On 27/06/2026 17:40, Scott wrote:
    I listened to the 'loop' on 198 kHz this this morning. Two comments:
    1. I did not recognise the 'presenter'. Is he a BBC man or maybe an
    Arqiva employee?

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K-aMKDiaO74

    2.-a The signal seemed weak and electrical interference was
    particularly bad. I wonder if they have reduced the power of the
    transmitters - or even closed Westerglen and Burghead, leaving
    Droitwich as the only transmitting station in operation?

    There were crackles but they seem to have stopped now. Maybe thunderstorms.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nO5PXlBDqoo

    (New version without the crackles)
    --
    Max Demian
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  • From Charles Hope@clh@candehope.me.uk to uk.tech.broadcast on Sun Jun 28 09:45:02 2026
    From Newsgroup: uk.tech.broadcast

    On 28/06/2026 09:59, Max Demian wrote:
    On 27/06/2026 17:40, Scott wrote:
    I listened to the 'loop' on 198 kHz this this morning. Two comments:
    1. I did not recognise the 'presenter'. Is he a BBC man or maybe an
    Arqiva employee?

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K-aMKDiaO74

    2.-a The signal seemed weak and electrical interference was
    particularly bad. I wonder if they have reduced the power of the
    transmitters - or even closed Westerglen and Burghead, leaving
    Droitwich as the only transmitting station in operation?

    There were crackles but they seem to have stopped now. Maybe thunderstorms.

    Most likely, Droitwich was closed first, but Westerglen was still operating. --- Synchronet 3.22a-Linux NewsLink 1.2
  • From J. P. Gilliver@G6JPG@255soft.uk to uk.tech.broadcast on Sun Jun 28 12:47:09 2026
    From Newsgroup: uk.tech.broadcast

    On 2026/6/28 10:33:15, Max Demian wrote:
    On 28/06/2026 09:59, Max Demian wrote:
    On 27/06/2026 17:40, Scott wrote:
    I listened to the 'loop' on 198 kHz this this morning. Two comments:
    1. I did not recognise the 'presenter'. Is he a BBC man or maybe an
    Arqiva employee?

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K-aMKDiaO74

    That's been withdrawn!

    2.-a The signal seemed weak and electrical interference was
    particularly bad. I wonder if they have reduced the power of the
    transmitters - or even closed Westerglen and Burghead, leaving
    Droitwich as the only transmitting station in operation?

    There were crackles but they seem to have stopped now. Maybe thunderstorms.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nO5PXlBDqoo

    (New version without the crackles)

    Thanks for that. (I notice it doesn't mention the MW versions that were provided in parts of the country - Newcastle was one - where LW wasn't
    good; have these stopped [possibly years ago, I tend to only listen on FM]?)
    --
    J. P. Gilliver. UMRA: 1960/<1985 MB++G()ALIS-Ch++(p)Ar++T+H+Sh0!:`)DNAf

    Very funny, Scotty. Now beam down my clothes
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  • From Charles Hope@clh@candehope.me.uk to uk.tech.broadcast on Sun Jun 28 13:45:02 2026
    From Newsgroup: uk.tech.broadcast

    On 28/06/2026 12:47, J. P. Gilliver wrote:
    On 2026/6/28 10:33:15, Max Demian wrote:
    On 28/06/2026 09:59, Max Demian wrote:
    On 27/06/2026 17:40, Scott wrote:
    I listened to the 'loop' on 198 kHz this this morning. Two comments:
    1. I did not recognise the 'presenter'. Is he a BBC man or maybe an
    Arqiva employee?

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K-aMKDiaO74

    That's been withdrawn!

    2.-a The signal seemed weak and electrical interference was
    particularly bad. I wonder if they have reduced the power of the
    transmitters - or even closed Westerglen and Burghead, leaving
    Droitwich as the only transmitting station in operation?

    There were crackles but they seem to have stopped now. Maybe thunderstorms. >>
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nO5PXlBDqoo

    (New version without the crackles)

    Thanks for that. (I notice it doesn't mention the MW versions that were provided in parts of the country - Newcastle was one - where LW wasn't
    good; have these stopped [possibly years ago, I tend to only listen on FM]?)

    Newcastle (& Carlisle) had poor LW after Westerglen opened since they
    were in the "mush area" getting signals from both transmitters. Similar applied in Aberdeen. Local medium wave transmitters covered these araas.
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  • From Scott@newsgroups@gefion.myzen.co.uk to uk.tech.broadcast on Sun Jun 28 15:58:29 2026
    From Newsgroup: uk.tech.broadcast

    On Sun, 28 Jun 26 09:45:02 UTC, Charles Hope <clh@candehope.me.uk>
    wrote:

    On 28/06/2026 09:59, Max Demian wrote:
    On 27/06/2026 17:40, Scott wrote:
    I listened to the 'loop' on 198 kHz this this morning. Two comments:
    1. I did not recognise the 'presenter'. Is he a BBC man or maybe an
    Arqiva employee?

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K-aMKDiaO74

    2.a The signal seemed weak and electrical interference was
    particularly bad. I wonder if they have reduced the power of the
    transmitters - or even closed Westerglen and Burghead, leaving
    Droitwich as the only transmitting station in operation?

    There were crackles but they seem to have stopped now. Maybe thunderstorms. >>
    Most likely, Droitwich was closed first, but Westerglen was still operating.

    Do we actually know which of the three sites is transmitting the
    retune loop? I can't see why they would turn off Droitwich first. I
    can see why they might leave it to last. Is there any way of knowing?
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  • From John Williamson@johnwilliamson@btinternet.com to uk.tech.broadcast on Sun Jun 28 16:14:45 2026
    From Newsgroup: uk.tech.broadcast

    On 28/06/2026 15:58, Scott wrote:

    Do we actually know which of the three sites is transmitting the
    retune loop? I can't see why they would turn off Droitwich first. I
    can see why they might leave it to last. Is there any way of knowing?

    Depending on where you are, using the ferrite aerial in your radio might
    point you in the right direction.

    It's an old trick.... Turn the radio until you get a null, and the rod
    will be pointing at the source.

    It is the reason that RTS meters have/ had two selectable aerials.
    --
    Tciao for Now!

    John.
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  • From liz@liz@poppyrecords.invalid.invalid (Liz Tuddenham) to uk.tech.broadcast on Sun Jun 28 18:11:07 2026
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    John Williamson <johnwilliamson@btinternet.com> wrote:

    On 28/06/2026 15:58, Scott wrote:

    Do we actually know which of the three sites is transmitting the
    retune loop? I can't see why they would turn off Droitwich first. I
    can see why they might leave it to last. Is there any way of knowing?

    Depending on where you are, using the ferrite aerial in your radio might point you in the right direction.

    It's an old trick.... Turn the radio until you get a null, and the rod
    will be pointing at the source.

    My Eddystone Measuring Set 40A gives a null at 020 magnetic from the SW
    corner of Bath (UK).
    --
    ~ Liz Tuddenham ~
    (Remove the ".invalid"s and add ".co.uk" to reply)
    www.poppyrecords.co.uk
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  • From J. P. Gilliver@G6JPG@255soft.uk to uk.tech.broadcast on Sun Jun 28 18:44:36 2026
    From Newsgroup: uk.tech.broadcast

    On 2026/6/28 14:45:2, Charles Hope wrote:
    On 28/06/2026 12:47, J. P. Gilliver wrote:
    On 2026/6/28 10:33:15, Max Demian wrote:
    []
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nO5PXlBDqoo

    (New version without the crackles)

    Thanks for that. (I notice it doesn't mention the MW versions that were
    provided in parts of the country - Newcastle was one - where LW wasn't
    good; have these stopped [possibly years ago, I tend to only listen on FM]?)

    Newcastle (& Carlisle) had poor LW after Westerglen opened since they
    were in the "mush area" getting signals from both transmitters. Similar applied in Aberdeen. Local medium wave transmitters covered these araas.

    Yes, those were the stations I was thinking of. Were they still
    operating until yesterday (are they still?), or did they stop some years
    ago (or when 198 stopped carrying R4)? Anyway, I notice the loop doesn't (didn't - has it stopped?) mention MW.
    --
    J. P. Gilliver. UMRA: 1960/<1985 MB++G()ALIS-Ch++(p)Ar++T+H+Sh0!:`)DNAf
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  • From John Williamson@johnwilliamson@btinternet.com to uk.tech.broadcast on Sun Jun 28 21:56:48 2026
    From Newsgroup: uk.tech.broadcast

    On 28/06/2026 18:11, Liz Tuddenham wrote:
    John Williamson <johnwilliamson@btinternet.com> wrote:

    On 28/06/2026 15:58, Scott wrote:

    Do we actually know which of the three sites is transmitting the
    retune loop? I can't see why they would turn off Droitwich first. I
    can see why they might leave it to last. Is there any way of knowing?

    Depending on where you are, using the ferrite aerial in your radio might
    point you in the right direction.

    It's an old trick.... Turn the radio until you get a null, and the rod
    will be pointing at the source.

    My Eddystone Measuring Set 40A gives a null at 020 magnetic from the SW corner of Bath (UK).


    You'd need a cross reading from, say, London, but it's more or less the correct heading for either Droitwich or Burghead. My guess would be
    Droitwich as the signal strength from the 50kW transmitter at Burghead
    would be vanishingly low at your location.
    --
    Tciao for Now!

    John.
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  • From liz@liz@poppyrecords.invalid.invalid (Liz Tuddenham) to uk.tech.broadcast on Sun Jun 28 22:59:33 2026
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    John Williamson <johnwilliamson@btinternet.com> wrote:

    On 28/06/2026 18:11, Liz Tuddenham wrote:
    John Williamson <johnwilliamson@btinternet.com> wrote:

    On 28/06/2026 15:58, Scott wrote:

    Do we actually know which of the three sites is transmitting the
    retune loop? I can't see why they would turn off Droitwich first. I
    can see why they might leave it to last. Is there any way of knowing?

    Depending on where you are, using the ferrite aerial in your radio might >> point you in the right direction.

    It's an old trick.... Turn the radio until you get a null, and the rod
    will be pointing at the source.

    My Eddystone Measuring Set 40A gives a null at 020 magnetic from the SW corner of Bath (UK).


    You'd need a cross reading from, say, London, but it's more or less the correct heading for either Droitwich or Burghead. My guess would be Droitwich as the signal strength from the 50kW transmitter at Burghead
    would be vanishingly low at your location.

    Is there anyone in this group located on the East side of England and
    prepared to take a cross-bearing?
    --
    ~ Liz Tuddenham ~
    (Remove the ".invalid"s and add ".co.uk" to reply)
    www.poppyrecords.co.uk
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  • From Charles Hope@clh@candehope.me.uk to uk.tech.broadcast on Mon Jun 29 08:15:02 2026
    From Newsgroup: uk.tech.broadcast

    On 28/06/2026 21:56, John Williamson wrote:
    On 28/06/2026 18:11, Liz Tuddenham wrote:
    John Williamson <johnwilliamson@btinternet.com> wrote:

    On 28/06/2026 15:58, Scott wrote:

    Do we actually know which of the three sites is transmitting the
    retune loop? I can't see why they would turn off Droitwich first. I
    can see why they might leave it to last. Is there any way of knowing?

    Depending on where you are, using the ferrite aerial in your radio might >>> point you in the right direction.

    It's an old trick.... Turn the radio until you get a null, and the rod
    will be pointing at the source.

    My Eddystone Measuring Set 40A gives a null at 020 magnetic from the SW
    corner of Bath (UK).


    You'd need a cross reading from, say, London, but it's more or less the correct heading for either Droitwich or Burghead. My guess would be Droitwich as the signal strength from the 50kW transmitter at Burghead
    would be vanishingly low at your location.

    our geographic knowledge differs. Edinburgh is West of Bristol and the
    two Scottish sites are both West of Edinburgh. But I've seen that
    Westerglen is still running.
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  • From liz@liz@poppyrecords.invalid.invalid (Liz Tuddenham) to uk.tech.broadcast on Mon Jun 29 09:37:10 2026
    From Newsgroup: uk.tech.broadcast

    Charles Hope <clh@candehope.me.uk> wrote:

    On 28/06/2026 21:56, John Williamson wrote:
    On 28/06/2026 18:11, Liz Tuddenham wrote:
    John Williamson <johnwilliamson@btinternet.com> wrote:

    On 28/06/2026 15:58, Scott wrote:

    Do we actually know which of the three sites is transmitting the
    retune loop? I can't see why they would turn off Droitwich first. I
    can see why they might leave it to last. Is there any way of knowing? >>>>
    Depending on where you are, using the ferrite aerial in your radio might >>> point you in the right direction.

    It's an old trick.... Turn the radio until you get a null, and the rod >>> will be pointing at the source.

    My Eddystone Measuring Set 40A gives a null at 020 magnetic from the SW
    corner of Bath (UK).


    You'd need a cross reading from, say, London, but it's more or less the correct heading for either Droitwich or Burghead. My guess would be Droitwich as the signal strength from the 50kW transmitter at Burghead would be vanishingly low at your location.

    our geographic knowledge differs. Edinburgh is West of Bristol and the
    two Scottish sites are both West of Edinburgh. But I've seen that
    Westerglen is still running.

    A reasonable cross-bearing could be taken from almost anywhere in
    England on the East side of the N-S centre line. A bearing from the
    extreme West of Cornwall or Wales would be just as useful. (If you
    could be sure you haven't taken a back-bearing, anywhere North of
    Birmingham should be good enough.)
    --
    ~ Liz Tuddenham ~
    (Remove the ".invalid"s and add ".co.uk" to reply)
    www.poppyrecords.co.uk
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  • From Andy Burns@usenet@andyburns.uk to uk.tech.broadcast on Mon Jun 29 20:17:21 2026
    From Newsgroup: uk.tech.broadcast

    Liz Tuddenham wrote:

    A reasonable cross-bearing could be taken from almost anywhere in
    England on the East side of the N-S centre line. A bearing from the extreme West of Cornwall or Wales would be just as useful. (If you
    could be sure you haven't taken a back-bearing, anywhere North of
    Birmingham should be good enough.)
    From here (52.5525-#N 1.1416-#W) the null occurs when the radio is
    aligned to about 242-#
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  • From tony sayer@tony@bancom.co.uk to uk.tech.broadcast on Mon Jun 29 22:46:33 2026
    From Newsgroup: uk.tech.broadcast

    In article <1rxfq2d.xzz3wr119rvieN%liz@poppyrecords.invalid.invalid>,
    Liz Tuddenham <liz@poppyrecords.invalid.invalid> scribeth thus
    John Williamson <johnwilliamson@btinternet.com> wrote:

    On 28/06/2026 18:11, Liz Tuddenham wrote:
    John Williamson <johnwilliamson@btinternet.com> wrote:

    On 28/06/2026 15:58, Scott wrote:

    Do we actually know which of the three sites is transmitting the
    retune loop? I can't see why they would turn off Droitwich first. I
    can see why they might leave it to last. Is there any way of knowing?

    Depending on where you are, using the ferrite aerial in your radio might >> >> point you in the right direction.

    It's an old trick.... Turn the radio until you get a null, and the rod
    will be pointing at the source.

    My Eddystone Measuring Set 40A gives a null at 020 magnetic from the SW
    corner of Bath (UK).


    You'd need a cross reading from, say, London, but it's more or less the
    correct heading for either Droitwich or Burghead. My guess would be
    Droitwich as the signal strength from the 50kW transmitter at Burghead
    would be vanishingly low at your location.

    Is there anyone in this group located on the East side of England and >prepared to take a cross-bearing?



    Sorry Liz!, no portables with LW on and i don't quite know how i can do
    that with the car radio which has still got it!..
    --
    Tony Sayer


    Man is least himself when he talks in his own person.

    Give him a keyboard, and he will reveal himself.


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  • From J. P. Gilliver@G6JPG@255soft.uk to uk.tech.broadcast on Mon Jun 29 23:40:04 2026
    From Newsgroup: uk.tech.broadcast

    On 2026/6/29 20:17:21, Andy Burns wrote:
    Liz Tuddenham wrote:

    A reasonable cross-bearing could be taken from almost anywhere in
    England on the East side of the N-S centre line. A bearing from the
    extreme West of Cornwall or Wales would be just as useful. (If you
    could be sure you haven't taken a back-bearing, anywhere North of
    Birmingham should be good enough.)
    From here (52.5525-#N 1.1416-#W) the null occurs when the radio is
    aligned to about 242-#

    Are the BBC and Arquiva so uncontactable that it's impossible to just
    ask them?
    --
    J. P. Gilliver. UMRA: 1960/<1985 MB++G()ALIS-Ch++(p)Ar++T+H+Sh0!:`)DNAf

    Philosophy is questions that may never be answered.
    Religion is answers that may never be questioned.
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  • From tony sayer@tony@bancom.co.uk to uk.tech.broadcast on Tue Jun 30 00:38:46 2026
    From Newsgroup: uk.tech.broadcast

    In article <111us85$lp68$1@dont-email.me>, J. P. Gilliver
    <G6JPG@255soft.uk> scribeth thus
    On 2026/6/29 20:17:21, Andy Burns wrote:
    Liz Tuddenham wrote:

    A reasonable cross-bearing could be taken from almost anywhere in
    England on the East side of the N-S centre line. A bearing from the
    extreme West of Cornwall or Wales would be just as useful. (If you
    could be sure you haven't taken a back-bearing, anywhere North of
    Birmingham should be good enough.)
    From here (52.5525#N 1.1416#W) the null occurs when the radio is
    aligned to about 242#

    Are the BBC and Arquiva so uncontactable that it's impossible to just
    ask them?

    Not easy can try the Radio Desk at Emley Moor or their public relations
    dept on their main site somewhere..
    --
    Tony Sayer


    Man is least himself when he talks in his own person.

    Give him a keyboard, and he will reveal himself.


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  • From JMB99@mb@nospam.net to uk.tech.broadcast on Tue Jun 30 07:46:52 2026
    From Newsgroup: uk.tech.broadcast

    On 30/06/2026 00:38, tony sayer wrote:
    Not easy can try the Radio Desk at Emley Moor or their public relations
    dept on their main site somewhere..


    It just not part of their contract to deal directly with customers, like
    many other organisations / companies - it is what happens when you
    privatise services.


    Also remember this from the BBC Media Centre.

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/mediacentre/articles/2026/radio-4-broadcasts-on-long-wave-to-end

    Long Wave is not classified as Critical National Infrastructure.

    The Shipping Forecast does not constitute part of the UKrCOs mandatory Maritime Safety Information (MSI) service; it has always been a
    UK-specific, complementary broadcast. MSI is considered of vital concern
    to all vessels, and the Maritime and Coastguard Agency encourage all
    seafarers to make every effort to receive it.
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  • From liz@liz@poppyrecords.invalid.invalid (Liz Tuddenham) to uk.tech.broadcast on Tue Jun 30 09:04:36 2026
    From Newsgroup: uk.tech.broadcast

    J. P. Gilliver <G6JPG@255soft.uk> wrote:

    On 2026/6/29 20:17:21, Andy Burns wrote:
    Liz Tuddenham wrote:

    A reasonable cross-bearing could be taken from almost anywhere in
    England on the East side of the N-S centre line. A bearing from the
    extreme West of Cornwall or Wales would be just as useful. (If you
    could be sure you haven't taken a back-bearing, anywhere North of
    Birmingham should be good enough.)
    From here (52.5525-#N 1.1416-#W) the null occurs when the radio is
    aligned to about 242-#

    [Sorry to use J.P.Gilliver's post to reply to Andy but Andy's posts are unreadable on my newsreader, so I have to wait for someone else to quote
    them.]

    From those bearings it looks almost certain to be coming from Droitwich.
    A friend in Colchester has told me that the transmissions are nulling on
    an approximately E-W line, so that would also point in the general
    direction of Droitwich.
    --
    ~ Liz Tuddenham ~
    (Remove the ".invalid"s and add ".co.uk" to reply)
    www.poppyrecords.co.uk
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  • From J. P. Gilliver@G6JPG@255soft.uk to uk.tech.broadcast on Tue Jun 30 09:39:19 2026
    From Newsgroup: uk.tech.broadcast

    On 2026/6/30 9:4:36, Liz Tuddenham wrote:
    J. P. Gilliver <G6JPG@255soft.uk> wrote:

    On 2026/6/29 20:17:21, Andy Burns wrote:
    Liz Tuddenham wrote:

    A reasonable cross-bearing could be taken from almost anywhere in
    England on the East side of the N-S centre line. A bearing from the >>>> extreme West of Cornwall or Wales would be just as useful. (If you
    could be sure you haven't taken a back-bearing, anywhere North of
    Birmingham should be good enough.)
    From here (52.5525|e-#N 1.1416|e-#W) the null occurs when the radio is
    aligned to about 242|e-#

    [Sorry to use J.P.Gilliver's post to reply to Andy but Andy's posts are unreadable on my newsreader, so I have to wait for someone else to quote them.]

    (No problem AFAIAconcerned.)

    From those bearings it looks almost certain to be coming from Droitwich.
    A friend in Colchester has told me that the transmissions are nulling on
    an approximately E-W line, so that would also point in the general
    direction of Droitwich.


    It does seem silly that we have to go through this sort of palaver
    because we can't just ask!

    On Tuesday (oh - that's today), are we expecting the actual transmitters
    to be turned off, or just the loop announcement? If the transmitters,
    have all the teleswitches been replaced?

    And _have_ the MW infill stations (Newcastle etc.) been turned off? I at
    first thought they would be, because their existence was due to patchy
    LW coverage in certain areas, so their reason for existing has gone;
    however, as they _are_ on MW not LW, it's possible that - in the
    relevant areas - they actually might have more listeners, MW sets being
    a bit more common.
    --
    J. P. Gilliver. UMRA: 1960/<1985 MB++G()ALIS-Ch++(p)Ar++T+H+Sh0!:`)DNAf

    Q. Why did the chicken cross the Mobius strip?
    A. To get to the same side.
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  • From Scott@newsgroups@gefion.myzen.co.uk to uk.tech.broadcast on Tue Jun 30 09:52:22 2026
    From Newsgroup: uk.tech.broadcast

    On Tue, 30 Jun 2026 09:39:19 +0100, "J. P. Gilliver"
    <G6JPG@255soft.uk> wrote:

    On 2026/6/30 9:4:36, Liz Tuddenham wrote:
    J. P. Gilliver <G6JPG@255soft.uk> wrote:

    On 2026/6/29 20:17:21, Andy Burns wrote:
    Liz Tuddenham wrote:

    A reasonable cross-bearing could be taken from almost anywhere in
    England on the East side of the N-S centre line. A bearing from the >>>>> extreme West of Cornwall or Wales would be just as useful. (If you
    could be sure you haven't taken a back-bearing, anywhere North of
    Birmingham should be good enough.)
    From here (52.5525-#N 1.1416-#W) the null occurs when the radio is
    aligned to about 242-#

    [Sorry to use J.P.Gilliver's post to reply to Andy but Andy's posts are
    unreadable on my newsreader, so I have to wait for someone else to quote
    them.]

    (No problem AFAIAconcerned.)

    From those bearings it looks almost certain to be coming from Droitwich.
    A friend in Colchester has told me that the transmissions are nulling on
    an approximately E-W line, so that would also point in the general
    direction of Droitwich.


    It does seem silly that we have to go through this sort of palaver
    because we can't just ask!

    On Tuesday (oh - that's today), are we expecting the actual transmitters
    to be turned off, or just the loop announcement? If the transmitters,
    have all the teleswitches been replaced?

    And _have_ the MW infill stations (Newcastle etc.) been turned off? I at >first thought they would be, because their existence was due to patchy
    LW coverage in certain areas, so their reason for existing has gone;
    however, as they _are_ on MW not LW, it's possible that - in the
    relevant areas - they actually might have more listeners, MW sets being
    a bit more common.

    Lisnagarvey 15 April 2024. See: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lisnagarvey_transmitting_station

    "BBC Radio 4's medium wave service from this transmitter along with
    all of the other BBC Radio 4 medium wave transmitters ended on 15
    April 2024, following by a retune loop informing listeners to retune
    to other methods of reception."
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  • From Roderick Stewart@rjfs@escapetime.myzen.co.uk to uk.tech.broadcast on Tue Jun 30 10:21:07 2026
    From Newsgroup: uk.tech.broadcast

    On Tue, 30 Jun 2026 09:04:36 +0100, liz@poppyrecords.invalid.invalid
    (Liz Tuddenham) wrote:

    [Sorry to use J.P.Gilliver's post to reply to Andy but Andy's posts are >unreadable on my newsreader, so I have to wait for someone else to quote >them.]

    Same here, Forte Agent on Windows 11. I've tried various settings but
    the messages look encrypted in some way and I can't resolve them.

    Rod.
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  • From Andy Burns@usenet@andyburns.uk to uk.tech.broadcast on Tue Jun 30 10:28:52 2026
    From Newsgroup: uk.tech.broadcast

    Liz Tuddenham wrote:

    [Sorry to use J.P.Gilliver's post to reply to Andy but Andy's posts are unreadable on my newsreader, so I have to wait for someone else to quote them.]

    Sorry, Thunderbird gets fooled into thinking it needs to use base64
    encoding for "weird" characters, like the degree symbol.

    From those bearings it looks almost certain to be coming from Droitwich.
    A friend in Colchester has told me that the transmissions are nulling on
    an approximately E-W line, so that would also point in the general
    direction of Droitwich.
    I found a website that lets you draw on google maps and gives you
    distance(s) and bearing(s), which claims it should be 247 degrees,
    rather than 242 as I took from my compass, I didn't worry about
    adjusting for magnetic north as I thought that was negligible recently?
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  • From liz@liz@poppyrecords.invalid.invalid (Liz Tuddenham) to uk.tech.broadcast on Tue Jun 30 11:35:15 2026
    From Newsgroup: uk.tech.broadcast

    Roderick Stewart <rjfs@escapetime.myzen.co.uk> wrote:

    On Tue, 30 Jun 2026 09:04:36 +0100, liz@poppyrecords.invalid.invalid
    (Liz Tuddenham) wrote:

    [Sorry to use J.P.Gilliver's post to reply to Andy but Andy's posts are >unreadable on my newsreader, so I have to wait for someone else to quote >them.]

    Same here, Forte Agent on Windows 11. I've tried various settings but
    the messages look encrypted in some way and I can't resolve them.

    The standard for Usenet is ASCII so this problem shouldn't occur.
    --
    ~ Liz Tuddenham ~
    (Remove the ".invalid"s and add ".co.uk" to reply)
    www.poppyrecords.co.uk
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  • From Apd@not@all.invalid to uk.tech.broadcast on Tue Jun 30 12:22:08 2026
    From Newsgroup: uk.tech.broadcast

    Andy Burns wrote:
    Sorry, Thunderbird gets fooled into thinking it needs to use base64
    encoding for "weird" characters, like the degree symbol.

    See this:
    <https://usenet.id/n9pkciFcat2U1@mid.individual.net>

    Since you are using "format=flowed" you probably need to set "mail.strictly_mime" to false in the config editor (at the bottom of settings).
    --- Synchronet 3.22a-Linux NewsLink 1.2
  • From Andy Burns@usenet@andyburns.uk to uk.tech.broadcast on Tue Jun 30 12:28:12 2026
    From Newsgroup: uk.tech.broadcast

    Apd wrote:

    Andy Burns wrote:
    Sorry, Thunderbird gets fooled into thinking it needs to use base64
    encoding for "weird" characters, like the degree symbol.

    See this:
    <https://usenet.id/n9pkciFcat2U1@mid.individual.net>

    Since you are using "format=flowed" you probably need to set "mail.strictly_mime" to false in the config editor (at the bottom of settings).

    Yes I'm aware of the combination of settings, unfortunately you can't
    make everyone happy all of the time
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  • From Apd@not@all.invalid to uk.tech.broadcast on Tue Jun 30 13:19:08 2026
    From Newsgroup: uk.tech.broadcast

    Andy Burns wrote:
    Apd wrote:
    See this:
    <https://usenet.id/n9pkciFcat2U1@mid.individual.net>

    Since you are using "format=flowed" you probably need to set
    "mail.strictly_mime" to false in the config editor (at the bottom of
    settings).

    Yes I'm aware of the combination of settings, unfortunately you can't
    make everyone happy all of the time

    Usenet text messages should never be encoded as base64 so I see no
    reason why you wouldn't set this. I think mine was already set to false
    by default after installation. If encoding of 8-bit is wanted TB should
    use quoted printable which is at least readable.

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  • From Max Demian@max_demian@bigfoot.com to uk.tech.broadcast on Tue Jun 30 13:24:23 2026
    From Newsgroup: uk.tech.broadcast

    On 28/06/2026 10:33, Max Demian wrote:
    On 28/06/2026 09:59, Max Demian wrote:
    On 27/06/2026 17:40, Scott wrote:
    I listened to the 'loop' on 198 kHz this this morning. Two comments:
    1. I did not recognise the 'presenter'. Is he a BBC man or maybe an
    Arqiva employee?

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K-aMKDiaO74

    2.-a The signal seemed weak and electrical interference was
    particularly bad. I wonder if they have reduced the power of the
    transmitters - or even closed Westerglen and Burghead, leaving
    Droitwich as the only transmitting station in operation?

    There were crackles but they seem to have stopped now. Maybe
    thunderstorms.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nO5PXlBDqoo

    (New version without the crackles)

    The message, and the carrier, stopped some time this morning (30 June);
    I don't know what time.
    --
    Max Demian
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  • From Max Demian@max_demian@bigfoot.com to uk.tech.broadcast on Tue Jun 30 13:25:30 2026
    From Newsgroup: uk.tech.broadcast

    On 30/06/2026 09:39, J. P. Gilliver wrote:
    On 2026/6/30 9:4:36, Liz Tuddenham wrote:
    J. P. Gilliver <G6JPG@255soft.uk> wrote:

    On 2026/6/29 20:17:21, Andy Burns wrote:
    Liz Tuddenham wrote:

    A reasonable cross-bearing could be taken from almost anywhere in
    England on the East side of the N-S centre line. A bearing from the >>>>> extreme West of Cornwall or Wales would be just as useful. (If you
    could be sure you haven't taken a back-bearing, anywhere North of
    Birmingham should be good enough.)
    From here (52.5525|e-#N 1.1416|e-#W) the null occurs when the radio is >>>> aligned to about 242|e-#

    [Sorry to use J.P.Gilliver's post to reply to Andy but Andy's posts are
    unreadable on my newsreader, so I have to wait for someone else to quote
    them.]

    (No problem AFAIAconcerned.)

    From those bearings it looks almost certain to be coming from Droitwich.
    A friend in Colchester has told me that the transmissions are nulling on
    an approximately E-W line, so that would also point in the general
    direction of Droitwich.


    It does seem silly that we have to go through this sort of palaver
    because we can't just ask!

    On Tuesday (oh - that's today), are we expecting the actual transmitters
    to be turned off, or just the loop announcement? If the transmitters,
    have all the teleswitches been replaced?

    The message, and the 198 kHz carrier, stopped some time this morning (30 June); I don't know what time.
    --
    Max Demian
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  • From Scott@newsgroups@gefion.myzen.co.uk to uk.tech.broadcast on Tue Jun 30 13:54:02 2026
    From Newsgroup: uk.tech.broadcast

    On Tue, 30 Jun 2026 13:25:30 +0100, Max Demian
    <max_demian@bigfoot.com> wrote:

    On 30/06/2026 09:39, J. P. Gilliver wrote:
    On 2026/6/30 9:4:36, Liz Tuddenham wrote:
    J. P. Gilliver <G6JPG@255soft.uk> wrote:

    On 2026/6/29 20:17:21, Andy Burns wrote:
    Liz Tuddenham wrote:

    A reasonable cross-bearing could be taken from almost anywhere in
    England on the East side of the N-S centre line. A bearing from the >>>>>> extreme West of Cornwall or Wales would be just as useful. (If you >>>>>> could be sure you haven't taken a back-bearing, anywhere North of
    Birmingham should be good enough.)
    From here (52.5525-#N 1.1416-#W) the null occurs when the radio is >>>>> aligned to about 242-#

    [Sorry to use J.P.Gilliver's post to reply to Andy but Andy's posts are
    unreadable on my newsreader, so I have to wait for someone else to quote >>> them.]

    (No problem AFAIAconcerned.)

    From those bearings it looks almost certain to be coming from Droitwich. >>> A friend in Colchester has told me that the transmissions are nulling on >>> an approximately E-W line, so that would also point in the general
    direction of Droitwich.


    It does seem silly that we have to go through this sort of palaver
    because we can't just ask!

    On Tuesday (oh - that's today), are we expecting the actual transmitters
    to be turned off, or just the loop announcement? If the transmitters,
    have all the teleswitches been replaced?

    The message, and the 198 kHz carrier, stopped some time this morning (30 >June); I don't know what time.

    The message has gone here too (Westerglen reception area).
    --- Synchronet 3.22a-Linux NewsLink 1.2
  • From Andy Burns@usenet@andyburns.uk to uk.tech.broadcast on Tue Jun 30 17:37:26 2026
    From Newsgroup: uk.tech.broadcast

    Max Demian wrote:

    The message, and the 198 kHz carrier, stopped some time this morning (30 June); I don't know what time.

    Nothing left on LW band now ...

    --- Synchronet 3.22a-Linux NewsLink 1.2
  • From liz@liz@poppyrecords.invalid.invalid (Liz Tuddenham) to uk.tech.broadcast on Tue Jun 30 17:46:26 2026
    From Newsgroup: uk.tech.broadcast

    Scott <newsgroups@gefion.myzen.co.uk> wrote:

    On Tue, 30 Jun 2026 13:25:30 +0100, Max Demian
    <max_demian@bigfoot.com> wrote:

    On 30/06/2026 09:39, J. P. Gilliver wrote:
    On 2026/6/30 9:4:36, Liz Tuddenham wrote:
    J. P. Gilliver <G6JPG@255soft.uk> wrote:

    On 2026/6/29 20:17:21, Andy Burns wrote:
    Liz Tuddenham wrote:

    A reasonable cross-bearing could be taken from almost anywhere in >>>>>> England on the East side of the N-S centre line. A bearing from the
    extreme West of Cornwall or Wales would be just as useful. (If you >>>>>> could be sure you haven't taken a back-bearing, anywhere North of >>>>>> Birmingham should be good enough.)
    From here (52.5525-#N 1.1416-#W) the null occurs when the radio is >>>>> aligned to about 242-#

    [Sorry to use J.P.Gilliver's post to reply to Andy but Andy's posts are >>> unreadable on my newsreader, so I have to wait for someone else to quote >>> them.]

    (No problem AFAIAconcerned.)

    From those bearings it looks almost certain to be coming from Droitwich. >>> A friend in Colchester has told me that the transmissions are nulling on >>> an approximately E-W line, so that would also point in the general
    direction of Droitwich.


    It does seem silly that we have to go through this sort of palaver
    because we can't just ask!

    On Tuesday (oh - that's today), are we expecting the actual transmitters >> to be turned off, or just the loop announcement? If the transmitters,
    have all the teleswitches been replaced?

    The message, and the 198 kHz carrier, stopped some time this morning (30 >June); I don't know what time.

    The message has gone here too (Westerglen reception area).

    No carrier here.

    On Tuesday evenings I travel under a particular power line (33kV?) that radiates a huge RF signal, which was strong enough to blot out R4 long
    wave for some distance each side. It seems to go off later in the
    evenings, so it might be a noisy inverter on a solar farm feeding the
    line. It will be interesting to hear how far away I can hear it
    tonight.

    There is another power line crossing the M5 near Exeter, that radiates
    over an even wider area - and that sounds distinctly like data.
    --
    ~ Liz Tuddenham ~
    (Remove the ".invalid"s and add ".co.uk" to reply)
    www.poppyrecords.co.uk
    --- Synchronet 3.22a-Linux NewsLink 1.2
  • From liz@liz@poppyrecords.invalid.invalid (Liz Tuddenham) to uk.tech.broadcast on Tue Jun 30 17:54:29 2026
    From Newsgroup: uk.tech.broadcast

    Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> wrote:

    Max Demian wrote:

    The message, and the 198 kHz carrier, stopped some time this morning (30 June); I don't know what time.

    Nothing left on LW band now ...

    Lots of room for WSPA channels. Easy to transmit secretly using
    redundant power lines, easy to receive secretly anywhere in the World
    (even underwater) on a ferrite rod if you have access to the software
    and appropriate codes. Very difficult for unauthorised listeners to
    detect.
    --
    ~ Liz Tuddenham ~
    (Remove the ".invalid"s and add ".co.uk" to reply)
    www.poppyrecords.co.uk
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  • From Charles Hope@clh@candehope.me.uk to uk.tech.broadcast on Tue Jun 30 17:00:02 2026
    From Newsgroup: uk.tech.broadcast

    On 30/06/2026 17:37, Andy Burns wrote:
    Max Demian wrote:

    The message, and the 198 kHz carrier, stopped some time this morning
    (30 June); I don't know what time.

    Nothing left on LW band now ...

    even in Russia?
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  • From J. P. Gilliver@G6JPG@255soft.uk to uk.tech.broadcast on Tue Jun 30 19:18:26 2026
    From Newsgroup: uk.tech.broadcast

    On 2026/6/30 17:37:26, Andy Burns wrote:
    Max Demian wrote:

    The message, and the 198 kHz carrier, stopped some time this morning (30
    June); I don't know what time.

    Nothing left on LW band now ...

    From discussions on YouTube, I gather there are about three stations in
    north Africa (such as Morocco) that are receivable; there was also some
    mention of a station in Europe (Poland?), but that only operates at
    certain hours, not 24h.

    I remember a French station that had FM (not audible on an ordinary envelope-detector set) time pulses on it (rather like MSF-Rugby or the
    German one) as well as ordinary AM programme material, and that was on
    LW, but probably ceased decades ago.
    --
    J. P. Gilliver. UMRA: 1960/<1985 MB++G()ALIS-Ch++(p)Ar++T+H+Sh0!:`)DNAf

    "Bother," said Pooh, as Windows crashed into piglet.
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  • From Andy Burns@usenet@andyburns.uk to uk.tech.broadcast on Tue Jun 30 19:23:51 2026
    From Newsgroup: uk.tech.broadcast

    Charles Hope wrote:

    Andy Burns wrote:
    Max Demian wrote:

    The message, and the 198 kHz carrier, stopped some time this morning
    (30 June); I don't know what time.

    Nothing left on LW band now ...

    even in Russia?

    I meant that could be received here, maybe more shows up after dark?

    I noticed one frequency with white noise plus a few bleeps and bloops
    right at the bottom of what my portable radio reaches.

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  • From Rink@rink.hof.haalditmaarweg@planet.nl to uk.tech.broadcast on Tue Jun 30 23:06:12 2026
    From Newsgroup: uk.tech.broadcast

    Op 28-6-2026 om 19:44 schreef J. P. Gilliver:
    On 2026/6/28 14:45:2, Charles Hope wrote:
    On 28/06/2026 12:47, J. P. Gilliver wrote:
    On 2026/6/28 10:33:15, Max Demian wrote:
    []
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nO5PXlBDqoo

    (New version without the crackles)

    Thanks for that. (I notice it doesn't mention the MW versions that were
    provided in parts of the country - Newcastle was one - where LW wasn't
    good; have these stopped [possibly years ago, I tend to only listen on FM]?)

    Newcastle (& Carlisle) had poor LW after Westerglen opened since they
    were in the "mush area" getting signals from both transmitters. Similar
    applied in Aberdeen. Local medium wave transmitters covered these araas.

    Yes, those were the stations I was thinking of. Were they still
    operating until yesterday (are they still?), or did they stop some years
    ago (or when 198 stopped carrying R4)? Anyway, I notice the loop doesn't (didn't - has it stopped?) mention MW.



    All BBC Radio 4 MW transmitters were switched off in 2024.
    They did not carry the signal for electricity meters.

    BBC wanted to switch off the LW transmitters in 2025, but that was not possible
    because there were a lot of older electricity meters running.

    Rink

    --------------------

    Date set for the closure of BBC Radio 4 medium wave frequencies
    Posted by Roy
    March 21, 2024 - 11:22 am


    BBC Radio 4 will turn off its medium wave frequencies and end its
    separate schedule for LW by April 15th 2024.

    Daily Service and the extended edition of Yesterday in Parliament will
    be available on BBC Radio 4 Extra on DAB, Digital TV and BBC Sounds from
    April 1st.

    Upon its return, Test Match Special will continue uninterrupted on Radio
    5 Sports Extra on DAB, Digital TV and BBC Sounds.

    The Shipping Forecast will continue to be broadcast on BBC Radio 4 twice
    a day (weekdays) and three times a day (weekends). This will be
    available on all platforms: FM, DAB, BBC Sounds, Digital TV.

    This means there will no longer be a separate schedule for Radio 4 LW
    and the BBC is encouraging listeners to transition to alternative
    platforms from April 1st.

    Finally, Radio 4 will no longer be available on medium wave rCo meaning
    the end to the frequencies listed below on April 15th:

    Aberdeen rCo 1449 MW
    Belfast rCo 720 MW
    Carlisle rCo 1485 MW
    Cornwall rCo 756 MW
    Enniskillen rCo 774 MW
    London rCo 720 MW
    Londonderry rCo 720 MW
    Newcastle rCo 603 MW
    Plymouth rCo 774 MW


    <https://radiotoday.co.uk/2024/03/date-set-for-the-closure-of-bbc-radio-4-medium-wave-frequencies/>

    --------------------
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  • From Rink@rink.hof.haalditmaarweg@planet.nl to uk.tech.broadcast on Tue Jun 30 23:30:42 2026
    From Newsgroup: uk.tech.broadcast

    Op 30-6-2026 om 17:00 schreef Charles Hope:
    On 30/06/2026 17:37, Andy Burns wrote:
    Max Demian wrote:

    The message, and the 198 kHz carrier, stopped some time this morning
    (30 June); I don't know what time.

    Nothing left on LW band now ...

    even in Russia?


    Many, many years ago (2014):

    <https://www.bbc.com/news/blogs-news-from-elsewhere-25683656>

    Today I only hear one radio program on longwave:
    252 from Algeria in French language

    And the French carrier on 162, no radio program.


    Here you can find all LW transmitters in Europe and Africa: <http://www.mwlist.org/mwlist_quick_and_easy.php>

    153 Rumania & Algeria
    171 Marocco
    225 Poland
    252 Algeria

    small transmitters are planned in Italy (207) and Finland (252).

    There are also 5 LW transmitters in Mongolia: <http://www.mwlist.org/mwlist_quick_and_easy.php?area=2&kHz=0>
    Still on frequencies from the 70's......

    Rink
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  • From Rink@rink.hof.haalditmaarweg@planet.nl to uk.tech.broadcast on Tue Jun 30 23:33:47 2026
    From Newsgroup: uk.tech.broadcast

    Op 28-6-2026 om 10:59 schreef Max Demian:
    On 27/06/2026 17:40, Scott wrote:
    I listened to the 'loop' on 198 kHz this this morning. Two comments:
    1. I did not recognise the 'presenter'. Is he a BBC man or maybe an
    Arqiva employee?

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K-aMKDiaO74

    2.-a The signal seemed weak and electrical interference was
    particularly bad. I wonder if they have reduced the power of the
    transmitters - or even closed Westerglen and Burghead, leaving
    Droitwich as the only transmitting station in operation?

    There were crackles but they seem to have stopped now. Maybe thunderstorms.



    We had a huge thunderstorm in The Netherlands on Sunday evening & night.
    I could that one on 198 Sunday afternoon.

    Rink
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  • From snipeco.2@snipeco.2@gmail.com (Sn!pe) to uk.tech.broadcast on Wed Jul 1 04:08:19 2026
    From Newsgroup: uk.tech.broadcast

    J. P. Gilliver <G6JPG@255soft.uk> wrote:
    [...]
    On Tuesday (oh - that's today), are we expecting the actual transmitters
    to be turned off, or just the loop announcement? If the transmitters,
    have all the teleswitches been replaced?
    [...]

    This mention of teleswitch service termination reminds me that back
    in the day (60+ years ago, when I were a lad) Droitwich was still on
    200 kc/s (Hertz hadn't yet been invented) and the frequency was very
    closely controlled so that it could be used as a standard.

    I recall a homebrew project in the RSGB Bulletin for a circuit using
    that 200 kc/s signal to provide calibration for a frequency meter as
    required by the amateur radio license.

    That facility was lost when the 200 kc/s service was obliged to shift to
    198 kHz under the new band plan. I blame the Common Market.
    --
    ^-^. Sn!pe, bird-brain. All that was old is new again.

    My pet rock Gordon just is.
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  • From snipeco.2@snipeco.2@gmail.com (Sn!pe) to uk.tech.broadcast on Wed Jul 1 04:08:20 2026
    From Newsgroup: uk.tech.broadcast

    Liz Tuddenham <liz@poppyrecords.invalid.invalid> wrote:

    On Tuesday evenings I travel under a particular power line (33kV?) that radiates a huge RF signal, which was strong enough to blot out R4 long
    wave for some distance each side. It seems to go off later in the
    evenings, so it might be a noisy inverter on a solar farm feeding the
    line. It will be interesting to hear how far away I can hear it
    tonight.

    There is another power line crossing the M5 near Exeter, that radiates
    over an even wider area - and that sounds distinctly like data.


    I read somewhere that the power grid already carries data on optical
    fibre slung alongside the inter-pylon earth conductor. I think they're
    a significant connectivity provider. I might have imagined this...
    --
    ^-^. Sn!pe, bird-brain. All that was old is new again.

    My pet rock Gordon just is.
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  • From Andy Burns@usenet@andyburns.uk to uk.tech.broadcast on Wed Jul 1 08:01:04 2026
    From Newsgroup: uk.tech.broadcast

    Sn!pe wrote:

    I read somewhere that the power grid already carries data on optical
    fibre slung alongside the inter-pylon earth conductor. I think they're
    a significant connectivity provider. I might have imagined this...
    That was originally Energis (provided Demon's backbone?) and seems to
    have ended-up as part of Vodafone.

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  • From liz@liz@poppyrecords.invalid.invalid (Liz Tuddenham) to uk.tech.broadcast on Wed Jul 1 10:18:13 2026
    From Newsgroup: uk.tech.broadcast

    Sn!pe <snipeco.2@gmail.com> wrote:

    Liz Tuddenham <liz@poppyrecords.invalid.invalid> wrote:

    On Tuesday evenings I travel under a particular power line (33kV?) that radiates a huge RF signal, which was strong enough to blot out R4 long
    wave for some distance each side. It seems to go off later in the evenings, so it might be a noisy inverter on a solar farm feeding the
    line. It will be interesting to hear how far away I can hear it
    tonight.

    There is another power line crossing the M5 near Exeter, that radiates
    over an even wider area - and that sounds distinctly like data.


    I read somewhere that the power grid already carries data on optical
    fibre slung alongside the inter-pylon earth conductor. I think they're
    a significant connectivity provider. I might have imagined this...

    Some power lines appear to have extra bit of kit attached to them - but
    optical fibre doesn't radiate on long wave.

    I kept the van radio tuned to 198 Kc/s for the whole journey yesterday
    evening and the results were most instructive:

    At first I noticed regular wavs of digital hash as I drove along the
    streets. Eventually I realised that these coincided with telephone
    lines - presumably radiating broadband signals. Passing cars generated
    various levels of whine and hash and my own van generates a variety of
    switch clicks (but no ignition nose, as it is a diesel). Some premises
    radiate a lot of hash. Most, but not all, power lines radiate a low
    level of mains-related harmonics, 132 kV lines also radiate crackles and
    hiss (there was light rain at the time).

    The line which originally attracted my attention was now audible for a
    much greater distance along the road than it was when Droitwich was transmitting; this allowed me to hear the sound pattern for much longer.
    The effect was a curious one like a beat note between two data streams
    at different drifting frequencies or 'aircraft flutter'.

    The road which the line crosses is a fast and dangerous one, so stopping
    to listen underneath the line isn't an option. There is a layby which
    might be within listening distance, so 'll try to stop there next week
    and make an audio recording of the signals.
    --
    ~ Liz Tuddenham ~
    (Remove the ".invalid"s and add ".co.uk" to reply)
    www.poppyrecords.co.uk
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  • From Andy Burns@usenet@andyburns.uk to uk.tech.broadcast on Wed Jul 1 10:59:26 2026
    From Newsgroup: uk.tech.broadcast


    Liz Tuddenham wrote:

    I realised that these coincided with telephone lines - presumably
    radiating broadband signals.

    Which would be between 25 kHz and 17.66 MHz, split across three upstream
    and three downstream bands.
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  • From J. P. Gilliver@G6JPG@255soft.uk to uk.tech.broadcast on Wed Jul 1 13:29:07 2026
    From Newsgroup: uk.tech.broadcast

    On 2026/7/1 10:18:13, Liz Tuddenham wrote:
    []
    lines - presumably radiating broadband signals. Passing cars generated various levels of whine and hash and my own van generates a variety of
    switch clicks (but no ignition nose, as it is a diesel). Some premises
    []
    Aren't the injectors on Diesels electrically-operated? Sure, less
    inherently radiative than ignitions, but such powerful devices must
    involve quite large pulses of energy ...
    --
    J. P. Gilliver. UMRA: 1960/<1985 MB++G()ALIS-Ch++(p)Ar++T+H+Sh0!:`)DNAf

    Never be led astray onto the path of virtue.
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  • From J. P. Gilliver@G6JPG@255soft.uk to uk.tech.broadcast on Wed Jul 1 13:30:43 2026
    From Newsgroup: uk.tech.broadcast

    On 2026/7/1 4:8:19, Sn!pe wrote:
    J. P. Gilliver <G6JPG@255soft.uk> wrote:
    [...]
    On Tuesday (oh - that's today), are we expecting the actual transmitters
    to be turned off, or just the loop announcement? If the transmitters,
    have all the teleswitches been replaced?
    [...]

    This mention of teleswitch service termination reminds me that back
    in the day (60+ years ago, when I were a lad) Droitwich was still on
    200 kc/s (Hertz hadn't yet been invented) and the frequency was very
    closely controlled so that it could be used as a standard.

    I recall a homebrew project in the RSGB Bulletin for a circuit using
    that 200 kc/s signal to provide calibration for a frequency meter as
    required by the amateur radio license.

    That facility was lost when the 200 kc/s service was obliged to shift to
    198 kHz under the new band plan. I blame the Common Market.

    The frequency accuracy was retained when it moved to 198; it was just
    more complicated to design standards derived from it.
    --
    J. P. Gilliver. UMRA: 1960/<1985 MB++G()ALIS-Ch++(p)Ar++T+H+Sh0!:`)DNAf
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  • From John Williamson@johnwilliamson@btinternet.com to uk.tech.broadcast on Wed Jul 1 13:57:30 2026
    From Newsgroup: uk.tech.broadcast

    On 01/07/2026 13:29, J. P. Gilliver wrote:
    On 2026/7/1 10:18:13, Liz Tuddenham wrote:
    []
    lines - presumably radiating broadband signals. Passing cars generated
    various levels of whine and hash and my own van generates a variety of
    switch clicks (but no ignition nose, as it is a diesel). Some premises
    []
    Aren't the injectors on Diesels electrically-operated? Sure, less
    inherently radiative than ignitions, but such powerful devices must
    involve quite large pulses of energy ...

    That depends on the age of the engine. Older ones, such as the one on my
    boat, are entirely mechanical.

    Even the ones on our Sprinters are just a solenoid operated valve, with
    a high pressure DC powered pump.
    --
    Tciao for Now!

    John.
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  • From liz@liz@poppyrecords.invalid.invalid (Liz Tuddenham) to uk.tech.broadcast on Wed Jul 1 15:02:44 2026
    From Newsgroup: uk.tech.broadcast

    J. P. Gilliver <G6JPG@255soft.uk> wrote:

    On 2026/7/1 10:18:13, Liz Tuddenham wrote:
    []
    lines - presumably radiating broadband signals. Passing cars generated various levels of whine and hash and my own van generates a variety of switch clicks (but no ignition nose, as it is a diesel). Some premises
    []
    Aren't the injectors on Diesels electrically-operated? Sure, less
    inherently radiative than ignitions, but such powerful devices must
    involve quite large pulses of energy ...

    They are electrical on this model but they don't seem to emit RF.
    --
    ~ Liz Tuddenham ~
    (Remove the ".invalid"s and add ".co.uk" to reply)
    www.poppyrecords.co.uk
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  • From Rink@rink.hof.haalditmaarweg@planet.nl to uk.tech.broadcast on Thu Jul 2 16:57:22 2026
    From Newsgroup: uk.tech.broadcast

    Op 30-6-2026 om 20:23 schreef Andy Burns:
    Charles Hope wrote:

    Andy Burns wrote:
    Max Demian wrote:

    The message, and the 198 kHz carrier, stopped some time this morning
    (30 June); I don't know what time.

    Nothing left on LW band now ...

    even in Russia?

    I meant that could be received here, maybe more shows up after dark?

    I noticed one frequency with white noise plus a few bleeps and bloops
    right at the bottom of what my portable radio reaches.



    That's Allouis, France om 162 kHz.
    As far as I know they are sending signals for clocks on railway stations.
    (and no radio program)

    Rink

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  • From Andy Burns@usenet@andyburns.uk to uk.tech.broadcast on Thu Jul 2 16:01:49 2026
    From Newsgroup: uk.tech.broadcast

    Rink wrote:

    schreef Andy Burns:

    I noticed one frequency with white noise

    That's Allouis, France om 162 kHz.
    As far as I know they are sending signals for clocks on railway stations.
    Yes, tuning LED pretty much confirms that.

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  • From Rink@rink.hof.haalditmaarweg@planet.nl to uk.tech.broadcast on Thu Jul 2 17:08:06 2026
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    Op 30-6-2026 om 20:18 schreef J. P. Gilliver:
    On 2026/6/30 17:37:26, Andy Burns wrote:
    Max Demian wrote:

    The message, and the 198 kHz carrier, stopped some time this morning (30 >>> June); I don't know what time.

    Nothing left on LW band now ...

    From discussions on YouTube, I gather there are about three stations in north Africa (such as Morocco) that are receivable; there was also some mention of a station in Europe (Poland?), but that only operates at
    certain hours, not 24h.

    I remember a French station that had FM (not audible on an ordinary envelope-detector set) time pulses on it (rather like MSF-Rugby or the
    German one) as well as ordinary AM programme material, and that was on
    LW, but probably ceased decades ago.



    Tuesday I only heard one radio program on longwave:
    252 from Algeria in French language

    And the French carrier on 162, no radio program.


    Here you can find all LW transmitters in Europe and Africa: <http://www.mwlist.org/mwlist_quick_and_easy.php>

    153 Rumania & Algeria
    171 Marocco
    225 Poland
    252 Algeria

    small transmitters are planned in Italy (207) and Finland (252).

    There are also 5 LW transmitters in Mongolia: <http://www.mwlist.org/mwlist_quick_and_easy.php?area=2&kHz=0>
    Still on frequencies from the 70's......

    Rink
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  • From Andy Burns@usenet@andyburns.uk to uk.tech.broadcast on Thu Jul 2 16:10:05 2026
    From Newsgroup: uk.tech.broadcast

    Andy Burns wrote:

    Nothing left on LW band now ...
    Some 1Hz pips seem to have moved in on R4's vacated slot, very weak.
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  • From J. P. Gilliver@G6JPG@255soft.uk to uk.tech.broadcast on Thu Jul 2 23:26:10 2026
    From Newsgroup: uk.tech.broadcast

    On 2026/7/2 16:10:5, Andy Burns wrote:
    Andy Burns wrote:

    Nothing left on LW band now ...
    Some 1Hz pips seem to have moved in on R4's vacated slot, very weak.

    Moved in, or were they there anyway but we couldn't hear them?
    --
    J. P. Gilliver. UMRA: 1960/<1985 MB++G()ALIS-Ch++(p)Ar++T+H+Sh0!:`)DNAf

    You'll need to have this fish in your ear.
    (First series, fit the first.)
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  • From Andy Burns@usenet@andyburns.uk to uk.tech.broadcast on Fri Jul 3 07:52:05 2026
    From Newsgroup: uk.tech.broadcast

    J. P. Gilliver wrote:

    Andy Burns wrote:

    Some 1Hz pips seem to have moved in on R4's vacated slot, very weak.

    Moved in, or were they there anyway but we couldn't hear them?

    turns out it's my mouse, apparently the microcontroller's idle loop,
    rather than the actual wireless comms ...


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  • From Mark Carver@mark@invalid.com to uk.tech.broadcast on Tue Jul 7 12:53:08 2026
    From Newsgroup: uk.tech.broadcast

    On 30/06/2026 13:25, Max Demian wrote:
    On 30/06/2026 09:39, J. P. Gilliver wrote:
    On 2026/6/30 9:4:36, Liz Tuddenham wrote:
    J. P. Gilliver <G6JPG@255soft.uk> wrote:

    On 2026/6/29 20:17:21, Andy Burns wrote:
    Liz Tuddenham wrote:

    A reasonable cross-bearing could be taken from almost anywhere in
    England-a on the East side of the N-S centre line.-a-a-a A bearing >>>>>> from the
    extreme West of Cornwall or Wales would be just as useful.-a (If you >>>>>> could be sure you haven't taken a back-bearing, anywhere North of
    Birmingham should be good enough.)
    -a From here (52.5525|e-#N 1.1416|e-#W) the null occurs when the radio is >>>>> aligned to about 242|e-#

    [Sorry to use J.P.Gilliver's post to reply to Andy but Andy's posts are
    unreadable on my newsreader, so I have to wait for someone else to quote >>> them.]

    (No problem AFAIAconcerned.)

    -aFrom those bearings it looks almost certain to be coming from
    Droitwich.
    A friend in Colchester has told me that the transmissions are nulling on >>> an approximately E-W line, so that would also point in the general
    direction of Droitwich.


    It does seem silly that we have to go through this sort of palaver
    because we can't just ask!

    On Tuesday (oh - that's today), are we expecting the actual transmitters
    to be turned off, or just the loop announcement? If the transmitters,
    have all the teleswitches been replaced?

    The message, and the 198 kHz carrier, stopped some time this morning (30 June); I don't know what time.


    12:03hrs (on June 30th I gather all three sites went off within a few
    seconds of each other)
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