2. The signal seemed weak and electrical interference was
particularly bad. I wonder if they have reduced the power of the
transmitters - or even closed Westerglen and Burghead, leaving
Droitwich as the only transmitting station in operation?
I listened to the 'loop' on 198 kHz this this morning. Two comments:
1. I did not recognise the 'presenter'. Is he a BBC man or maybe an
Arqiva employee?
2. The signal seemed weak and electrical interference was
particularly bad. I wonder if they have reduced the power of the
transmitters - or even closed Westerglen and Burghead, leaving
Droitwich as the only transmitting station in operation?
On 27/06/2026 17:40, Scott wrote:
2. The signal seemed weak and electrical interference was
particularly bad. I wonder if they have reduced the power of the
transmitters - or even closed Westerglen and Burghead, leaving
Droitwich as the only transmitting station in operation?
There is nothing about running at different power levels. It was normal
to go to higher power as it got dark.
I listened to the 'loop' on 198 kHz this this morning. Two comments:
1. I did not recognise the 'presenter'. Is he a BBC man or maybe an
Arqiva employee?
2. The signal seemed weak and electrical interference was
particularly bad. I wonder if they have reduced the power of the
transmitters - or even closed Westerglen and Burghead, leaving
Droitwich as the only transmitting station in operation?
On 27/06/2026 17:40, Scott wrote:
I listened to the 'loop' on 198 kHz this this morning. Two comments:
1. I did not recognise the 'presenter'. Is he a BBC man or maybe an
Arqiva employee?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K-aMKDiaO74
2.-a The signal seemed weak and electrical interference was
particularly bad. I wonder if they have reduced the power of the
transmitters - or even closed Westerglen and Burghead, leaving
Droitwich as the only transmitting station in operation?
There were crackles but they seem to have stopped now. Maybe thunderstorms.
On 27/06/2026 17:40, Scott wrote:
I listened to the 'loop' on 198 kHz this this morning. Two comments:
1. I did not recognise the 'presenter'. Is he a BBC man or maybe an
Arqiva employee?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K-aMKDiaO74
2.-a The signal seemed weak and electrical interference was
particularly bad. I wonder if they have reduced the power of the
transmitters - or even closed Westerglen and Burghead, leaving
Droitwich as the only transmitting station in operation?
There were crackles but they seem to have stopped now. Maybe thunderstorms.
On 28/06/2026 09:59, Max Demian wrote:
On 27/06/2026 17:40, Scott wrote:
I listened to the 'loop' on 198 kHz this this morning. Two comments:
1. I did not recognise the 'presenter'. Is he a BBC man or maybe an
Arqiva employee?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K-aMKDiaO74
2.-a The signal seemed weak and electrical interference was
particularly bad. I wonder if they have reduced the power of the
transmitters - or even closed Westerglen and Burghead, leaving
Droitwich as the only transmitting station in operation?
There were crackles but they seem to have stopped now. Maybe thunderstorms.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nO5PXlBDqoo
(New version without the crackles)
On 2026/6/28 10:33:15, Max Demian wrote:
On 28/06/2026 09:59, Max Demian wrote:
On 27/06/2026 17:40, Scott wrote:
I listened to the 'loop' on 198 kHz this this morning. Two comments:
1. I did not recognise the 'presenter'. Is he a BBC man or maybe an
Arqiva employee?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K-aMKDiaO74
That's been withdrawn!
Thanks for that. (I notice it doesn't mention the MW versions that were provided in parts of the country - Newcastle was one - where LW wasn'thttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nO5PXlBDqoo
2.-a The signal seemed weak and electrical interference was
particularly bad. I wonder if they have reduced the power of the
transmitters - or even closed Westerglen and Burghead, leaving
Droitwich as the only transmitting station in operation?
There were crackles but they seem to have stopped now. Maybe thunderstorms. >>
(New version without the crackles)
good; have these stopped [possibly years ago, I tend to only listen on FM]?)
On 28/06/2026 09:59, Max Demian wrote:
On 27/06/2026 17:40, Scott wrote:Most likely, Droitwich was closed first, but Westerglen was still operating.
I listened to the 'loop' on 198 kHz this this morning. Two comments:
1. I did not recognise the 'presenter'. Is he a BBC man or maybe an
Arqiva employee?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K-aMKDiaO74
2.a The signal seemed weak and electrical interference was
particularly bad. I wonder if they have reduced the power of the
transmitters - or even closed Westerglen and Burghead, leaving
Droitwich as the only transmitting station in operation?
There were crackles but they seem to have stopped now. Maybe thunderstorms. >>
Do we actually know which of the three sites is transmitting the
retune loop? I can't see why they would turn off Droitwich first. I
can see why they might leave it to last. Is there any way of knowing?
On 28/06/2026 15:58, Scott wrote:
Do we actually know which of the three sites is transmitting the
retune loop? I can't see why they would turn off Droitwich first. I
can see why they might leave it to last. Is there any way of knowing?
Depending on where you are, using the ferrite aerial in your radio might point you in the right direction.
It's an old trick.... Turn the radio until you get a null, and the rod
will be pointing at the source.
On 28/06/2026 12:47, J. P. Gilliver wrote:[]
On 2026/6/28 10:33:15, Max Demian wrote:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nO5PXlBDqooThanks for that. (I notice it doesn't mention the MW versions that were
(New version without the crackles)
provided in parts of the country - Newcastle was one - where LW wasn't
good; have these stopped [possibly years ago, I tend to only listen on FM]?)
Newcastle (& Carlisle) had poor LW after Westerglen opened since they
were in the "mush area" getting signals from both transmitters. Similar applied in Aberdeen. Local medium wave transmitters covered these araas.
John Williamson <johnwilliamson@btinternet.com> wrote:
On 28/06/2026 15:58, Scott wrote:
Do we actually know which of the three sites is transmitting theDepending on where you are, using the ferrite aerial in your radio might
retune loop? I can't see why they would turn off Droitwich first. I
can see why they might leave it to last. Is there any way of knowing?
point you in the right direction.
It's an old trick.... Turn the radio until you get a null, and the rod
will be pointing at the source.
My Eddystone Measuring Set 40A gives a null at 020 magnetic from the SW corner of Bath (UK).
On 28/06/2026 18:11, Liz Tuddenham wrote:
John Williamson <johnwilliamson@btinternet.com> wrote:
On 28/06/2026 15:58, Scott wrote:
Do we actually know which of the three sites is transmitting theDepending on where you are, using the ferrite aerial in your radio might >> point you in the right direction.
retune loop? I can't see why they would turn off Droitwich first. I
can see why they might leave it to last. Is there any way of knowing?
It's an old trick.... Turn the radio until you get a null, and the rod
will be pointing at the source.
My Eddystone Measuring Set 40A gives a null at 020 magnetic from the SW corner of Bath (UK).
You'd need a cross reading from, say, London, but it's more or less the correct heading for either Droitwich or Burghead. My guess would be Droitwich as the signal strength from the 50kW transmitter at Burghead
would be vanishingly low at your location.
On 28/06/2026 18:11, Liz Tuddenham wrote:
John Williamson <johnwilliamson@btinternet.com> wrote:You'd need a cross reading from, say, London, but it's more or less the correct heading for either Droitwich or Burghead. My guess would be Droitwich as the signal strength from the 50kW transmitter at Burghead
On 28/06/2026 15:58, Scott wrote:
Do we actually know which of the three sites is transmitting theDepending on where you are, using the ferrite aerial in your radio might >>> point you in the right direction.
retune loop? I can't see why they would turn off Droitwich first. I
can see why they might leave it to last. Is there any way of knowing?
It's an old trick.... Turn the radio until you get a null, and the rod
will be pointing at the source.
My Eddystone Measuring Set 40A gives a null at 020 magnetic from the SW
corner of Bath (UK).
would be vanishingly low at your location.
On 28/06/2026 21:56, John Williamson wrote:
On 28/06/2026 18:11, Liz Tuddenham wrote:
John Williamson <johnwilliamson@btinternet.com> wrote:You'd need a cross reading from, say, London, but it's more or less the correct heading for either Droitwich or Burghead. My guess would be Droitwich as the signal strength from the 50kW transmitter at Burghead would be vanishingly low at your location.
On 28/06/2026 15:58, Scott wrote:
Do we actually know which of the three sites is transmitting theDepending on where you are, using the ferrite aerial in your radio might >>> point you in the right direction.
retune loop? I can't see why they would turn off Droitwich first. I
can see why they might leave it to last. Is there any way of knowing? >>>>
It's an old trick.... Turn the radio until you get a null, and the rod >>> will be pointing at the source.
My Eddystone Measuring Set 40A gives a null at 020 magnetic from the SW
corner of Bath (UK).
our geographic knowledge differs. Edinburgh is West of Bristol and the
two Scottish sites are both West of Edinburgh. But I've seen that
Westerglen is still running.
A reasonable cross-bearing could be taken from almost anywhere inFrom here (52.5525-#N 1.1416-#W) the null occurs when the radio is
England on the East side of the N-S centre line. A bearing from the extreme West of Cornwall or Wales would be just as useful. (If you
could be sure you haven't taken a back-bearing, anywhere North of
Birmingham should be good enough.)
John Williamson <johnwilliamson@btinternet.com> wrote:
On 28/06/2026 18:11, Liz Tuddenham wrote:
John Williamson <johnwilliamson@btinternet.com> wrote:You'd need a cross reading from, say, London, but it's more or less the
On 28/06/2026 15:58, Scott wrote:
Do we actually know which of the three sites is transmitting theDepending on where you are, using the ferrite aerial in your radio might >> >> point you in the right direction.
retune loop? I can't see why they would turn off Droitwich first. I
can see why they might leave it to last. Is there any way of knowing?
It's an old trick.... Turn the radio until you get a null, and the rod
will be pointing at the source.
My Eddystone Measuring Set 40A gives a null at 020 magnetic from the SW
corner of Bath (UK).
correct heading for either Droitwich or Burghead. My guess would be
Droitwich as the signal strength from the 50kW transmitter at Burghead
would be vanishingly low at your location.
Is there anyone in this group located on the East side of England and >prepared to take a cross-bearing?
Liz Tuddenham wrote:
A reasonable cross-bearing could be taken from almost anywhere inFrom here (52.5525-#N 1.1416-#W) the null occurs when the radio is
England on the East side of the N-S centre line. A bearing from the
extreme West of Cornwall or Wales would be just as useful. (If you
could be sure you haven't taken a back-bearing, anywhere North of
Birmingham should be good enough.)
aligned to about 242-#
On 2026/6/29 20:17:21, Andy Burns wrote:
Liz Tuddenham wrote:
A reasonable cross-bearing could be taken from almost anywhere inFrom here (52.5525#N 1.1416#W) the null occurs when the radio is
England on the East side of the N-S centre line. A bearing from the
extreme West of Cornwall or Wales would be just as useful. (If you
could be sure you haven't taken a back-bearing, anywhere North of
Birmingham should be good enough.)
aligned to about 242#
Are the BBC and Arquiva so uncontactable that it's impossible to just
ask them?
Not easy can try the Radio Desk at Emley Moor or their public relations
dept on their main site somewhere..
On 2026/6/29 20:17:21, Andy Burns wrote:
Liz Tuddenham wrote:
A reasonable cross-bearing could be taken from almost anywhere inFrom here (52.5525-#N 1.1416-#W) the null occurs when the radio is
England on the East side of the N-S centre line. A bearing from the
extreme West of Cornwall or Wales would be just as useful. (If you
could be sure you haven't taken a back-bearing, anywhere North of
Birmingham should be good enough.)
aligned to about 242-#
J. P. Gilliver <G6JPG@255soft.uk> wrote:
On 2026/6/29 20:17:21, Andy Burns wrote:
Liz Tuddenham wrote:
A reasonable cross-bearing could be taken from almost anywhere inFrom here (52.5525|e-#N 1.1416|e-#W) the null occurs when the radio is
England on the East side of the N-S centre line. A bearing from the >>>> extreme West of Cornwall or Wales would be just as useful. (If you
could be sure you haven't taken a back-bearing, anywhere North of
Birmingham should be good enough.)
aligned to about 242|e-#
[Sorry to use J.P.Gilliver's post to reply to Andy but Andy's posts are unreadable on my newsreader, so I have to wait for someone else to quote them.]
From those bearings it looks almost certain to be coming from Droitwich.
A friend in Colchester has told me that the transmissions are nulling on
an approximately E-W line, so that would also point in the general
direction of Droitwich.
On 2026/6/30 9:4:36, Liz Tuddenham wrote:
J. P. Gilliver <G6JPG@255soft.uk> wrote:
On 2026/6/29 20:17:21, Andy Burns wrote:
Liz Tuddenham wrote:
A reasonable cross-bearing could be taken from almost anywhere inFrom here (52.5525-#N 1.1416-#W) the null occurs when the radio is
England on the East side of the N-S centre line. A bearing from the >>>>> extreme West of Cornwall or Wales would be just as useful. (If you
could be sure you haven't taken a back-bearing, anywhere North of
Birmingham should be good enough.)
aligned to about 242-#
[Sorry to use J.P.Gilliver's post to reply to Andy but Andy's posts are
unreadable on my newsreader, so I have to wait for someone else to quote
them.]
(No problem AFAIAconcerned.)
It does seem silly that we have to go through this sort of palaver
From those bearings it looks almost certain to be coming from Droitwich.
A friend in Colchester has told me that the transmissions are nulling on
an approximately E-W line, so that would also point in the general
direction of Droitwich.
because we can't just ask!
On Tuesday (oh - that's today), are we expecting the actual transmitters
to be turned off, or just the loop announcement? If the transmitters,
have all the teleswitches been replaced?
And _have_ the MW infill stations (Newcastle etc.) been turned off? I at >first thought they would be, because their existence was due to patchy
LW coverage in certain areas, so their reason for existing has gone;
however, as they _are_ on MW not LW, it's possible that - in the
relevant areas - they actually might have more listeners, MW sets being
a bit more common.
[Sorry to use J.P.Gilliver's post to reply to Andy but Andy's posts are >unreadable on my newsreader, so I have to wait for someone else to quote >them.]
[Sorry to use J.P.Gilliver's post to reply to Andy but Andy's posts are unreadable on my newsreader, so I have to wait for someone else to quote them.]
From those bearings it looks almost certain to be coming from Droitwich.I found a website that lets you draw on google maps and gives you
A friend in Colchester has told me that the transmissions are nulling on
an approximately E-W line, so that would also point in the general
direction of Droitwich.
On Tue, 30 Jun 2026 09:04:36 +0100, liz@poppyrecords.invalid.invalid
(Liz Tuddenham) wrote:
[Sorry to use J.P.Gilliver's post to reply to Andy but Andy's posts are >unreadable on my newsreader, so I have to wait for someone else to quote >them.]
Same here, Forte Agent on Windows 11. I've tried various settings but
the messages look encrypted in some way and I can't resolve them.
Sorry, Thunderbird gets fooled into thinking it needs to use base64
encoding for "weird" characters, like the degree symbol.
Andy Burns wrote:
Sorry, Thunderbird gets fooled into thinking it needs to use base64encoding for "weird" characters, like the degree symbol.
See this:
<https://usenet.id/n9pkciFcat2U1@mid.individual.net>
Since you are using "format=flowed" you probably need to set "mail.strictly_mime" to false in the config editor (at the bottom of settings).
Apd wrote:
See this:
<https://usenet.id/n9pkciFcat2U1@mid.individual.net>
Since you are using "format=flowed" you probably need to set
"mail.strictly_mime" to false in the config editor (at the bottom of
settings).
Yes I'm aware of the combination of settings, unfortunately you can't
make everyone happy all of the time
On 28/06/2026 09:59, Max Demian wrote:
On 27/06/2026 17:40, Scott wrote:
I listened to the 'loop' on 198 kHz this this morning. Two comments:
1. I did not recognise the 'presenter'. Is he a BBC man or maybe an
Arqiva employee?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K-aMKDiaO74
2.-a The signal seemed weak and electrical interference was
particularly bad. I wonder if they have reduced the power of the
transmitters - or even closed Westerglen and Burghead, leaving
Droitwich as the only transmitting station in operation?
There were crackles but they seem to have stopped now. Maybe
thunderstorms.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nO5PXlBDqoo
(New version without the crackles)
On 2026/6/30 9:4:36, Liz Tuddenham wrote:
J. P. Gilliver <G6JPG@255soft.uk> wrote:
On 2026/6/29 20:17:21, Andy Burns wrote:
Liz Tuddenham wrote:
A reasonable cross-bearing could be taken from almost anywhere inFrom here (52.5525|e-#N 1.1416|e-#W) the null occurs when the radio is >>>> aligned to about 242|e-#
England on the East side of the N-S centre line. A bearing from the >>>>> extreme West of Cornwall or Wales would be just as useful. (If you
could be sure you haven't taken a back-bearing, anywhere North of
Birmingham should be good enough.)
[Sorry to use J.P.Gilliver's post to reply to Andy but Andy's posts are
unreadable on my newsreader, so I have to wait for someone else to quote
them.]
(No problem AFAIAconcerned.)
It does seem silly that we have to go through this sort of palaver
From those bearings it looks almost certain to be coming from Droitwich.
A friend in Colchester has told me that the transmissions are nulling on
an approximately E-W line, so that would also point in the general
direction of Droitwich.
because we can't just ask!
On Tuesday (oh - that's today), are we expecting the actual transmitters
to be turned off, or just the loop announcement? If the transmitters,
have all the teleswitches been replaced?
On 30/06/2026 09:39, J. P. Gilliver wrote:
On 2026/6/30 9:4:36, Liz Tuddenham wrote:
J. P. Gilliver <G6JPG@255soft.uk> wrote:
On 2026/6/29 20:17:21, Andy Burns wrote:
Liz Tuddenham wrote:
A reasonable cross-bearing could be taken from almost anywhere inFrom here (52.5525-#N 1.1416-#W) the null occurs when the radio is >>>>> aligned to about 242-#
England on the East side of the N-S centre line. A bearing from the >>>>>> extreme West of Cornwall or Wales would be just as useful. (If you >>>>>> could be sure you haven't taken a back-bearing, anywhere North of
Birmingham should be good enough.)
[Sorry to use J.P.Gilliver's post to reply to Andy but Andy's posts are
unreadable on my newsreader, so I have to wait for someone else to quote >>> them.]
(No problem AFAIAconcerned.)
It does seem silly that we have to go through this sort of palaver
From those bearings it looks almost certain to be coming from Droitwich. >>> A friend in Colchester has told me that the transmissions are nulling on >>> an approximately E-W line, so that would also point in the general
direction of Droitwich.
because we can't just ask!
On Tuesday (oh - that's today), are we expecting the actual transmitters
to be turned off, or just the loop announcement? If the transmitters,
have all the teleswitches been replaced?
The message, and the 198 kHz carrier, stopped some time this morning (30 >June); I don't know what time.
The message, and the 198 kHz carrier, stopped some time this morning (30 June); I don't know what time.
On Tue, 30 Jun 2026 13:25:30 +0100, Max Demian
<max_demian@bigfoot.com> wrote:
On 30/06/2026 09:39, J. P. Gilliver wrote:
On 2026/6/30 9:4:36, Liz Tuddenham wrote:
J. P. Gilliver <G6JPG@255soft.uk> wrote:
On 2026/6/29 20:17:21, Andy Burns wrote:
Liz Tuddenham wrote:
A reasonable cross-bearing could be taken from almost anywhere in >>>>>> England on the East side of the N-S centre line. A bearing from theFrom here (52.5525-#N 1.1416-#W) the null occurs when the radio is >>>>> aligned to about 242-#
extreme West of Cornwall or Wales would be just as useful. (If you >>>>>> could be sure you haven't taken a back-bearing, anywhere North of >>>>>> Birmingham should be good enough.)
[Sorry to use J.P.Gilliver's post to reply to Andy but Andy's posts are >>> unreadable on my newsreader, so I have to wait for someone else to quote >>> them.]
(No problem AFAIAconcerned.)
It does seem silly that we have to go through this sort of palaver
From those bearings it looks almost certain to be coming from Droitwich. >>> A friend in Colchester has told me that the transmissions are nulling on >>> an approximately E-W line, so that would also point in the general
direction of Droitwich.
because we can't just ask!
On Tuesday (oh - that's today), are we expecting the actual transmitters >> to be turned off, or just the loop announcement? If the transmitters,
have all the teleswitches been replaced?
The message, and the 198 kHz carrier, stopped some time this morning (30 >June); I don't know what time.
The message has gone here too (Westerglen reception area).
Max Demian wrote:
The message, and the 198 kHz carrier, stopped some time this morning (30 June); I don't know what time.
Nothing left on LW band now ...
Max Demian wrote:
The message, and the 198 kHz carrier, stopped some time this morning
(30 June); I don't know what time.
Nothing left on LW band now ...
Max Demian wrote:
The message, and the 198 kHz carrier, stopped some time this morning (30
June); I don't know what time.
Nothing left on LW band now ...
Andy Burns wrote:
Max Demian wrote:
The message, and the 198 kHz carrier, stopped some time this morning
(30 June); I don't know what time.
Nothing left on LW band now ...
even in Russia?
On 2026/6/28 14:45:2, Charles Hope wrote:
On 28/06/2026 12:47, J. P. Gilliver wrote:[]
On 2026/6/28 10:33:15, Max Demian wrote:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nO5PXlBDqooThanks for that. (I notice it doesn't mention the MW versions that were
(New version without the crackles)
provided in parts of the country - Newcastle was one - where LW wasn't
good; have these stopped [possibly years ago, I tend to only listen on FM]?)
Newcastle (& Carlisle) had poor LW after Westerglen opened since they
were in the "mush area" getting signals from both transmitters. Similar
applied in Aberdeen. Local medium wave transmitters covered these araas.
Yes, those were the stations I was thinking of. Were they still
operating until yesterday (are they still?), or did they stop some years
ago (or when 198 stopped carrying R4)? Anyway, I notice the loop doesn't (didn't - has it stopped?) mention MW.
On 30/06/2026 17:37, Andy Burns wrote:
Max Demian wrote:even in Russia?
The message, and the 198 kHz carrier, stopped some time this morning
(30 June); I don't know what time.
Nothing left on LW band now ...
On 27/06/2026 17:40, Scott wrote:
I listened to the 'loop' on 198 kHz this this morning. Two comments:
1. I did not recognise the 'presenter'. Is he a BBC man or maybe an
Arqiva employee?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K-aMKDiaO74
2.-a The signal seemed weak and electrical interference was
particularly bad. I wonder if they have reduced the power of the
transmitters - or even closed Westerglen and Burghead, leaving
Droitwich as the only transmitting station in operation?
There were crackles but they seem to have stopped now. Maybe thunderstorms.
On Tuesday (oh - that's today), are we expecting the actual transmitters[...]
to be turned off, or just the loop announcement? If the transmitters,
have all the teleswitches been replaced?
On Tuesday evenings I travel under a particular power line (33kV?) that radiates a huge RF signal, which was strong enough to blot out R4 long
wave for some distance each side. It seems to go off later in the
evenings, so it might be a noisy inverter on a solar farm feeding the
line. It will be interesting to hear how far away I can hear it
tonight.
There is another power line crossing the M5 near Exeter, that radiates
over an even wider area - and that sounds distinctly like data.
I read somewhere that the power grid already carries data on opticalThat was originally Energis (provided Demon's backbone?) and seems to
fibre slung alongside the inter-pylon earth conductor. I think they're
a significant connectivity provider. I might have imagined this...
Liz Tuddenham <liz@poppyrecords.invalid.invalid> wrote:
On Tuesday evenings I travel under a particular power line (33kV?) that radiates a huge RF signal, which was strong enough to blot out R4 long
wave for some distance each side. It seems to go off later in the evenings, so it might be a noisy inverter on a solar farm feeding the
line. It will be interesting to hear how far away I can hear it
tonight.
There is another power line crossing the M5 near Exeter, that radiates
over an even wider area - and that sounds distinctly like data.
I read somewhere that the power grid already carries data on optical
fibre slung alongside the inter-pylon earth conductor. I think they're
a significant connectivity provider. I might have imagined this...
I realised that these coincided with telephone lines - presumably
radiating broadband signals.
lines - presumably radiating broadband signals. Passing cars generated various levels of whine and hash and my own van generates a variety of[]
switch clicks (but no ignition nose, as it is a diesel). Some premises
J. P. Gilliver <G6JPG@255soft.uk> wrote:
[...]
On Tuesday (oh - that's today), are we expecting the actual transmitters[...]
to be turned off, or just the loop announcement? If the transmitters,
have all the teleswitches been replaced?
This mention of teleswitch service termination reminds me that back
in the day (60+ years ago, when I were a lad) Droitwich was still on
200 kc/s (Hertz hadn't yet been invented) and the frequency was very
closely controlled so that it could be used as a standard.
I recall a homebrew project in the RSGB Bulletin for a circuit using
that 200 kc/s signal to provide calibration for a frequency meter as
required by the amateur radio license.
That facility was lost when the 200 kc/s service was obliged to shift to
198 kHz under the new band plan. I blame the Common Market.
On 2026/7/1 10:18:13, Liz Tuddenham wrote:
[]
lines - presumably radiating broadband signals. Passing cars generated[]
various levels of whine and hash and my own van generates a variety of
switch clicks (but no ignition nose, as it is a diesel). Some premises
Aren't the injectors on Diesels electrically-operated? Sure, less
inherently radiative than ignitions, but such powerful devices must
involve quite large pulses of energy ...
On 2026/7/1 10:18:13, Liz Tuddenham wrote:
[]
lines - presumably radiating broadband signals. Passing cars generated various levels of whine and hash and my own van generates a variety of switch clicks (but no ignition nose, as it is a diesel). Some premises[]
Aren't the injectors on Diesels electrically-operated? Sure, less
inherently radiative than ignitions, but such powerful devices must
involve quite large pulses of energy ...
Charles Hope wrote:
Andy Burns wrote:
Max Demian wrote:
The message, and the 198 kHz carrier, stopped some time this morning
(30 June); I don't know what time.
Nothing left on LW band now ...
even in Russia?
I meant that could be received here, maybe more shows up after dark?
I noticed one frequency with white noise plus a few bleeps and bloops
right at the bottom of what my portable radio reaches.
schreef Andy Burns:Yes, tuning LED pretty much confirms that.
I noticed one frequency with white noise
That's Allouis, France om 162 kHz.
As far as I know they are sending signals for clocks on railway stations.
On 2026/6/30 17:37:26, Andy Burns wrote:
Max Demian wrote:From discussions on YouTube, I gather there are about three stations in north Africa (such as Morocco) that are receivable; there was also some mention of a station in Europe (Poland?), but that only operates at
The message, and the 198 kHz carrier, stopped some time this morning (30 >>> June); I don't know what time.
Nothing left on LW band now ...
certain hours, not 24h.
I remember a French station that had FM (not audible on an ordinary envelope-detector set) time pulses on it (rather like MSF-Rugby or the
German one) as well as ordinary AM programme material, and that was on
LW, but probably ceased decades ago.
Nothing left on LW band now ...Some 1Hz pips seem to have moved in on R4's vacated slot, very weak.
Andy Burns wrote:
Nothing left on LW band now ...Some 1Hz pips seem to have moved in on R4's vacated slot, very weak.
Andy Burns wrote:
Some 1Hz pips seem to have moved in on R4's vacated slot, very weak.
Moved in, or were they there anyway but we couldn't hear them?
On 30/06/2026 09:39, J. P. Gilliver wrote:
On 2026/6/30 9:4:36, Liz Tuddenham wrote:
J. P. Gilliver <G6JPG@255soft.uk> wrote:
On 2026/6/29 20:17:21, Andy Burns wrote:
Liz Tuddenham wrote:
A reasonable cross-bearing could be taken from almost anywhere in-a From here (52.5525|e-#N 1.1416|e-#W) the null occurs when the radio is >>>>> aligned to about 242|e-#
England-a on the East side of the N-S centre line.-a-a-a A bearing >>>>>> from the
extreme West of Cornwall or Wales would be just as useful.-a (If you >>>>>> could be sure you haven't taken a back-bearing, anywhere North of
Birmingham should be good enough.)
[Sorry to use J.P.Gilliver's post to reply to Andy but Andy's posts are
unreadable on my newsreader, so I have to wait for someone else to quote >>> them.]
(No problem AFAIAconcerned.)
It does seem silly that we have to go through this sort of palaver
-aFrom those bearings it looks almost certain to be coming from
Droitwich.
A friend in Colchester has told me that the transmissions are nulling on >>> an approximately E-W line, so that would also point in the general
direction of Droitwich.
because we can't just ask!
On Tuesday (oh - that's today), are we expecting the actual transmitters
to be turned off, or just the loop announcement? If the transmitters,
have all the teleswitches been replaced?
The message, and the 198 kHz carrier, stopped some time this morning (30 June); I don't know what time.
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