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I mean the ones which, when selected, just (after a delay) show "connect
your FreeView device to the internet" or similar. Mostly in the upper
two hundreds LCNs.

Surely, anyone who has an internet-connected TV won't be selecting those channels by entering a FreeView LCN, but will be selecting them some
other way, such as from an on-screen menu - so why clog up the LCN table
(and, I presume, the EPGs) with them?
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On 01/06/2026 16:31, J. P. Gilliver wrote:

Surely, anyone who has an internet-connected TV won't be selecting those channels by entering a FreeView LCN, but will be selecting them some
other way, such as from an on-screen menu - so why clog up the LCN table (and, I presume, the EPGs) with them?

My TV can connect to the Internet but never seen "connect
your FreeView device to the internet".



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On 01/06/2026 16:31, J. P. Gilliver wrote:

I mean the ones which, when selected, just (after a delay) show "connect
your FreeView device to the internet" or similar. Mostly in the upper
two hundreds LCNs.

Surely, anyone who has an internet-connected TV won't be selecting those channels by entering a FreeView LCN, but will be selecting them some
other way, such as from an on-screen menu - so why clog up the LCN table (and, I presume, the EPGs) with them?

It's a convenient way of selecting an IPTV TV channel. What on-screen
menu? They doesn't take up any Freeview bandwidth, and minimal for the EPG.

(My Sony TV - bought in 2012 - supported them (when it had an Ethernet connection) but my BT/EE TV Box Pro connected to my BT Hub by WiFi
doesn't for some reason.)
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On 01/06/2026 17:38, JMB99 wrote:

On 01/06/2026 16:31, J. P. Gilliver wrote:

Surely, anyone who has an internet-connected TV won't be selecting those
channels by entering a FreeView LCN, but will be selecting them some
other way, such as from an on-screen menu - so why clog up the LCN table
(and, I presume, the EPGs) with them?

My TV can connect to the Internet but never seen "connect
your FreeView device to the internet".

Mine can connect to the internet, but the IP only channels in the
Freeview 2xx range do not always appear when selected. I assume the ones
that do nor appear are encrypted.
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Tciao for Now!

John.
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On Mon 01/06/2026 17:47, Max Demian wrote:

On 01/06/2026 16:31, J. P. Gilliver wrote:

I mean the ones which, when selected, just (after a delay) show "connect
your FreeView device to the internet" or similar. Mostly in the upper
two hundreds LCNs.

Surely, anyone who has an internet-connected TV won't be selecting those
channels by entering a FreeView LCN, but will be selecting them some
other way, such as from an on-screen menu - so why clog up the LCN table
(and, I presume, the EPGs) with them?

It's a convenient way of selecting an IPTV TV channel. What on-screen
menu? They doesn't take up any Freeview bandwidth, and minimal for the EPG.

(My Sony TV - bought in 2012 - supported them (when it had an Ethernet connection) but my BT/EE TV Box Pro connected to my BT Hub by WiFi
doesn't for some reason.)

The hybrid channels on Freeview - as they are known - are actually
251-300 although at the moment I think the highest in use is 289.
To use them the TV has to have a TV aerial attached so that when you
select a hybrid channel it can look in the Freeview data to find what it should look for on the Interweb and how to display it. Ergo just
connecting a local network to the TV will not show the stations if the
TV does not have an aerial (and a suitable tuner that knows about 251 upwards.)
Anyone who meets the above criteria will find France24 (24 hr news
channel in English) on 255 and the English version of Euronews on 257
amongst many others including a lot of 'god' channels. Until last week
Talk (TV) was also available on 280 but it disappeared overnight without
any on-air pre or post notice - the live TV version is now only
available on their YT channel.

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On 01/06/2026 16:31, J. P. Gilliver wrote:

I mean the ones which, when selected, just (after a delay) show "connect
your FreeView device to the internet" or similar. Mostly in the upper
two hundreds LCNs.

Surely, anyone who has an internet-connected TV won't be selecting those channels by entering a FreeView LCN, but will be selecting them some
other way, such as from an on-screen menu - so why clog up the LCN table (and, I presume, the EPGs) with them?

Hard to believe this thread is anything more than an excuse for yet
another broadcasting whinge.
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On 2026/6/1 17:38:49, JMB99 wrote:

On 01/06/2026 16:31, J. P. Gilliver wrote:

Surely, anyone who has an internet-connected TV won't be selecting those
channels by entering a FreeView LCN, but will be selecting them some
other way, such as from an on-screen menu - so why clog up the LCN table
(and, I presume, the EPGs) with them?

My TV can connect to the Internet but never seen "connect
your FreeView device to the internet".

1. It takes a really long while for that to appear (I just tried for 276
["CNA Originals", apparently], and it was 25-30 seconds; obviously the
data rate allocated to it is really low).

2. Maybe it doesn't appear if your set can connect to the internet.
(What do you get if you select 276?)
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On 2026/6/2 8:38:36, MikeS wrote:

On 01/06/2026 16:31, J. P. Gilliver wrote:

I mean the ones which, when selected, just (after a delay) show "connect
your FreeView device to the internet" or similar. Mostly in the upper
two hundreds LCNs.

Surely, anyone who has an internet-connected TV won't be selecting those
channels by entering a FreeView LCN, but will be selecting them some
other way, such as from an on-screen menu - so why clog up the LCN table
(and, I presume, the EPGs) with them?

Hard to believe this thread is anything more than an excuse for yet
another broadcasting whinge.

I note you didn't answer the question, thus just adding to the thread
with a (usenet) whinge of your own :-)
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J. P. Gilliver. UMRA: 1960/<1985 MB++G()ALIS-Ch++(p)Ar++T+H+Sh0!:`)DNAf

offensive speech is something to be protected, not celebrated.
- "yoni", 2015-8-5
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On 02/06/2026 23:13, J. P. Gilliver wrote:

On 2026/6/2 8:38:36, MikeS wrote:

On 01/06/2026 16:31, J. P. Gilliver wrote:

I mean the ones which, when selected, just (after a delay) show "connect >>> your FreeView device to the internet" or similar. Mostly in the upper
two hundreds LCNs.

Surely, anyone who has an internet-connected TV won't be selecting those >>> channels by entering a FreeView LCN, but will be selecting them some
other way, such as from an on-screen menu - so why clog up the LCN table >>> (and, I presume, the EPGs) with them?

Hard to believe this thread is anything more than an excuse for yet
another broadcasting whinge.

I note you didn't answer the question, thus just adding to the thread
with a (usenet) whinge of your own :-)

Why waste time answering a question for which the answer is blindingly
obvious to Freeview EPG users and to the IP channels paying to be included?
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On 01/06/2026 16:31, J. P. Gilliver wrote:

I mean the ones which, when selected, just (after a delay) show "connect
your FreeView device to the internet" or similar. Mostly in the upper
two hundreds LCNs.

Surely, anyone who has an internet-connected TV won't be selecting those channels by entering a FreeView LCN, but will be selecting them some
other way, such as from an on-screen menu - so why clog up the LCN table (and, I presume, the EPGs) with them?

If you are using the Live view feature (AKA Freeview) on a smart TV,
which has an aerial and wifi connected, it is a pain to switch modes to
find the IP channels, so, yes, people switching from, say BBC1 to an IP
only channel on Freeview are very likely to just use the remote to
select channel 267. (Other channels are available.)
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Tciao for Now!

John.
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On Wed 03/06/2026 09:35, John Williamson wrote:

On 01/06/2026 16:31, J. P. Gilliver wrote:

I mean the ones which, when selected, just (after a delay) show "connect
your FreeView device to the internet" or similar. Mostly in the upper
two hundreds LCNs.

Surely, anyone who has an internet-connected TV won't be selecting those
channels by entering a FreeView LCN, but will be selecting them some
other way, such as from an on-screen menu - so why clog up the LCN table
(and, I presume, the EPGs) with them?

If you are using the Live view feature (AKA Freeview) on a smart TV,
which has an aerial and wifi connected, it is a pain to switch modes to
find the IP channels, so, yes, people switching from, say BBC1 to an IP
only channel on Freeview are very likely to just use the remote to
select channel 267. (Other channels are available.)

It depends. Wehave two smart TVs, a Samsung and a LG. Both of these sets
have their own source of streamed chanels, Samsung as TV Plus and LG as LGChannels. The best bit is they have been set p as contiguous channels
so to get TV Plus or LGChannels you merely enter the number - TV Plus in
the 4000 series and LG in the 1000+ range. No waiting, almost immediate.
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