I have just heard on Radio 4's Six O'Clock News that Arqiva has
announced that R4 long wave will close on 27 June just before 1 am (presumably at the end of the shipping forecast). I thought the BBC
had committed to give two months' notice.
Is there any update on the proposal to give Droitwich transmitter
listed status? Can we assume no changes will take place to the
antennas until medium wave transmissions end?
Sic transit gloria mundi
Is there any update on the proposal to give Droitwich transmitter
listed status?
I thought the BBC
had committed to give two months' notice.
On 11/05/2026 18:50, Scott wrote:
Is there any update on the proposal to give Droitwich transmitter
listed status?
Can an item of equipment, like that, be listed?
I have just heard on Radio 4's Six O'Clock News that Arqiva hasOn the Midnight R4 news (I've just replayed it on BBC Sounds) they said programmes would cease on LW at the end of this month, with the
announced that R4 long wave will close on 27 June just before 1 am (presumably at the end of the shipping forecast). I thought the BBC
had committed to give two months' notice.
On 11/05/2026 18:50, Scott wrote:
I thought the BBC
had committed to give two months' notice.
They might not have given an exact date previously but it is hardly a surprise.Nothing for 198 LW (well nothing from the licence fee, the money comes
How much per day does cost to keep Long Wave and Medium running?
How many million pounds per listener?
On 11/05/2026 18:50, Scott wrote:
Is there any update on the proposal to give Droitwich transmitter
listed status?
Can an item of equipment, like that, be listed?
On 11/05/2026 18:50, Scott wrote:
I have just heard on Radio 4's Six O'Clock News that Arqiva hasOn the Midnight R4 news (I've just replayed it on BBC Sounds) they said >programmes would cease on LW at the end of this month, with the
announced that R4 long wave will close on 27 June just before 1 am
(presumably at the end of the shipping forecast). I thought the BBC
had committed to give two months' notice.
frequency finally shutting down, just before 1am on June 27th.
So, expect a retune barker from the end of May until June 27th.
This makes sense, as apparently the energy companies (the folk who are >actually paying Arqiva to keep 198 on the air) are finally shutting the
RTS service on June 17th.
I'm wondering why they are willing (seemingly) to carry on paying for >another 10 days !?
Is it established that Burghead and Westerglen are in exactly the same position?
Scott wrote:
Is it established that Burghead and Westerglen are in exactly the same
position?
<https://rsgb.org/main/blog/news/gb2rs/headlines/2026/05/08/also-in-gb2rs-this-week-519>
I believe the Post Office (BT) Tower was.
Thanks. No mention of the same date ('the Scottish Long Wave
transmitters at Burghead and Westerglen will also be turned off').
There was some discussion earlier about whether 27 June marks the end
of R4 service or the end of transmissions. The wording ('the BBC is committing to providing two monthsrCO notice to listeners') implies the former as people do not routinely listen either to RDS or recorded
messages. I note that two months' notice has apparently not been
given.
Is it established that Burghead and Westerglen are in exactly the same position?
On 12/05/2026 14:11, Scott wrote:
I believe the Post Office (BT) Tower was.
The structure but what about the equipment inside?
Some magnificent prewar buildings were butchered - were any of them listed?
On 12/05/2026 15:48, Scott wrote:
Thanks. No mention of the same date ('the Scottish Long Wave
transmitters at Burghead and Westerglen will also be turned off').
There was some discussion earlier about whether 27 June marks the end
of R4 service or the end of transmissions. The wording ('the BBC is
committing to providing two monthsA notice to listeners') implies the
former as people do not routinely listen either to RDS or recorded
messages. I note that two months' notice has apparently not been
given.
Sure they have been saying for ages thatt the services will be closed
even if no date given, so hardly a surprise!
On 12/05/2026 14:14, Scott wrote:
Is it established that Burghead and Westerglen are in exactly the same
position?
Won't it just cause unnecessary confusion if they remained on?
On 11/05/2026 18:50, Scott wrote:
I have just heard on Radio 4's Six O'Clock News that Arqiva has
announced that R4 long wave will close on 27 June just before 1 am
(presumably at the end of the shipping forecast). I thought the BBC
had committed to give two months' notice.
On the Midnight R4 news (I've just replayed it on BBC Sounds) they said programmes would cease on LW at the end of this month, with the
frequency finally shutting down, just before 1am on June 27th.
So, expect a retune barker from the end of May until June 27th.
This makes sense, as apparently the energy companies (the folk who are actually paying Arqiva to keep 198 on the air) are finally shutting the
RTS service on June 17th.
I'm wondering why they are willing (seemingly) to carry on paying for another 10 days !?
Mark,
Do you have a link to this edition of the Midnight News?
( I'm not in the UK and I can't find it)
Or if possible a mp3?
Because
https://www.bbc.co.uk/reception/work-warning/news/radio4lw
says BBC R4 LW will close on the 27th June 2026.
On Tue, 12 May 2026 16:28:32 +0100, JMB99 <mb@nospam.net> wrote:
On 12/05/2026 14:14, Scott wrote:Not to the RDS equipment which seems to be particularly used in the
Is it established that Burghead and Westerglen are in exactly the same
position?
Won't it just cause unnecessary confusion if they remained on?
highlands as a rural area.
Op 12-5-2026 om 12:26 schreef Mark Carver:
On 11/05/2026 18:50, Scott wrote:
I have just heard on Radio 4's Six O'Clock News that Arqiva has
announced that R4 long wave will close on 27 June just before 1 am
(presumably at the end of the shipping forecast). I thought the BBC
had committed to give two months' notice.
On the Midnight R4 news (I've just replayed it on BBC Sounds) they
said programmes would cease on LW at the end of this month, with the
frequency finally shutting down, just before 1am on June 27th.
So, expect a retune barker from the end of May until June 27th.
This makes sense, as apparently the energy companies (the folk who are
actually paying Arqiva to keep 198 on the air) are finally shutting
the RTS service on June 17th.
I'm wondering why they are willing (seemingly) to carry on paying for
another 10 days !?
Mark,https://www.bbc.co.uk/sounds/play/m002w5qz
Do you have a link to this edition of the Midnight News?
( I'm not in the UK and I can't find it)
Or if possible a mp3?
On 12/05/2026 18:50, Rink wrote:
Op 12-5-2026 om 12:26 schreef Mark Carver:
On 11/05/2026 18:50, Scott wrote:
I have just heard on Radio 4's Six O'Clock News that Arqiva has
announced that R4 long wave will close on 27 June just before 1 am
(presumably at the end of the shipping forecast). I thought the BBC
had committed to give two months' notice.
On the Midnight R4 news (I've just replayed it on BBC Sounds) they
said programmes would cease on LW at the end of this month, with the
frequency finally shutting down, just before 1am on June 27th.
So, expect a retune barker from the end of May until June 27th.
This makes sense, as apparently the energy companies (the folk who
are actually paying Arqiva to keep 198 on the air) are finally
shutting the RTS service on June 17th.
I'm wondering why they are willing (seemingly) to carry on paying for
another 10 days !?
Mark,
Do you have a link to this edition of the Midnight News?
( I'm not in the UK and I can't find it)
Or if possible a mp3?
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sounds/play/m002w5qz
Spool forward to 25:25. They said programmes would end at the end of
this month, the service itself will cease just before 1am on June 27th.
So, going by that, a barker from the end of May, running for 3-4 weeks.
Makes sense if the Energy Cos will be finished with RTS on June 17th,
On 12/05/2026 16:53, Scott wrote:
On Tue, 12 May 2026 16:28:32 +0100, JMB99 <mb@nospam.net> wrote:
On 12/05/2026 14:14, Scott wrote:Not to the RDS equipment which seems to be particularly used in the
Is it established that Burghead and Westerglen are in exactly the same >>>> position?
Won't it just cause unnecessary confusion if they remained on?
highlands as a rural area.
You mean RTS, RDS is a totally different kettle of fish.
I think it's safe to assume all three 198 sites will cease the same day
Not to the RDS equipment which seems to be particularly used in the
highlands as a rural area.
I believe at the BT Tower they tried to list the
microwave dishes as part of the structure but BT persuaded them that
removal was needed for safety reasons.
Not to the RDS equipment which seems to be particularly used in the
highlands as a rural area.
Op 12-5-2026 om 12:26 schreef Mark Carver:[]
On the Midnight R4 news (I've just replayed it on BBC Sounds) they said
programmes would cease on LW at the end of this month, with the
frequency finally shutting down, just before 1am on June 27th.
So, expect a retune barker from the end of May until June 27th.
This makes sense, as apparently the energy companies (the folk who are
actually paying Arqiva to keep 198 on the air) are finally shutting the
RTS service on June 17th.
[]
I'm wondering why they are willing (seemingly) to carry on paying for
another 10 days !?Indeed!
On 12/05/2026 16:48, Scott wrote:
I believe at the BT Tower they tried to list the
microwave dishes as part of the structure but BT persuaded them that
removal was needed for safety reasons.
I thought the GPO Tower used horns, not dishes?
Didn't Daventry open nearly ten years before Droitwich.
On 12/05/2026 16:53, Scott wrote:
On Tue, 12 May 2026 16:28:32 +0100, JMB99 <mb@nospam.net> wrote:
On 12/05/2026 14:14, Scott wrote:Not to the RDS equipment which seems to be particularly used in the
Is it established that Burghead and Westerglen are in exactly the same >>>> position?
Won't it just cause unnecessary confusion if they remained on?
highlands as a rural area.
You mean RTS, RDS is a totally different kettle of fish.
I think it's safe to assume all three 198 sites will cease the same day--- Synchronet 3.22a-Linux NewsLink 1.2
Mark Carver <mark@invalid.com> wrote:
On 12/05/2026 16:53, Scott wrote:I found >https://www.bbceng.info/Operations/transmitter_ops/Reminiscences/Droitwich/droitwich_calling.htm
On Tue, 12 May 2026 16:28:32 +0100, JMB99 <mb@nospam.net> wrote:
On 12/05/2026 14:14, Scott wrote:Not to the RDS equipment which seems to be particularly used in the
Is it established that Burghead and Westerglen are in exactly the same >>>>> position?
Won't it just cause unnecessary confusion if they remained on?
highlands as a rural area.
You mean RTS, RDS is a totally different kettle of fish.
I think it's safe to assume all three 198 sites will cease the same day
to be interesting
On 12/05/2026 16:53, Scott wrote:
Not to the RDS equipment which seems to be particularly used in the
highlands as a rural area.
I don't understand how RDS is used more in the Highlands then elsewhere?
It is obviously useful in the Highlands but it struggles here because
there is often not continuous coverage.
Op 12-5-2026 om 21:25 schreef Mark Carver:
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sounds/play/m002w5qz
Spool forward to 25:25. They said programmes would end at the end of
this month, the service itself will cease just before 1am on June 27th.
So, going by that, a barker from the end of May, running for 3-4 weeks.
Makes sense if the Energy Cos will be finished with RTS on June 17th,
Well, if I click on your link I see the page for 1 second,Yes, the BBC radio website is geofenced using ypur IP address. You can
then it disappaers and goes to
https://www.bbc.com/audio/play/m002w5qz
and this page shows:
"Error 404 - Oops, the page you're looking for is no longer here".
I think it's because I'm not in the UK.....
#
On 12/05/2026 21:36, Rink wrote:
Op 12-5-2026 om 21:25 schreef Mark Carver:
Yes, the BBC radio website is geofenced using ypur IP address. You canhttps://www.bbc.co.uk/sounds/play/m002w5qz
Spool forward to 25:25. They said programmes would end at the end of
this month, the service itself will cease just before 1am on June 27th.
So, going by that, a barker from the end of May, running for 3-4 weeks.
Makes sense if the Energy Cos will be finished with RTS on June 17th,
Well, if I click on your link I see the page for 1 second,
then it disappaers and goes to
https://www.bbc.com/audio/play/m002w5qz
and this page shows:
"Error 404 - Oops, the page you're looking for is no longer here".
I think it's because I'm not in the UK.....
#
only get it outside thw UK if you use a VPN with one end here.
The built in VPN using the Firefox web Browser may help.
On 13/05/2026 08:44, John Williamson wrote:
On 12/05/2026 21:36, Rink wrote:It's not worth the effort, what I quoted in the post with the link, is
Op 12-5-2026 om 21:25 schreef Mark Carver:Yes, the BBC radio website is geofenced using ypur IP address. You can
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sounds/play/m002w5qz
Spool forward to 25:25. They said programmes would end at the end of
this month, the service itself will cease just before 1am on June 27th. >>>>
So, going by that, a barker from the end of May, running for 3-4 weeks. >>>>
Makes sense if the Energy Cos will be finished with RTS on June 17th,
Well, if I click on your link I see the page for 1 second,
then it disappaers and goes to
https://www.bbc.com/audio/play/m002w5qz
and this page shows:
"Error 404 - Oops, the page you're looking for is no longer here".
I think it's because I'm not in the UK.....
#
only get it outside thw UK if you use a VPN with one end here.
The built in VPN using the Firefox web Browser may help.
more or less an entire transcript
Op 13-5-2026 om 12:05 schreef Mark Carver:
On 13/05/2026 08:44, John Williamson wrote:
On 12/05/2026 21:36, Rink wrote:It's not worth the effort, what I quoted in the post with the link, is
Op 12-5-2026 om 21:25 schreef Mark Carver:Yes, the BBC radio website is geofenced using ypur IP address. You
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sounds/play/m002w5qz
Spool forward to 25:25. They said programmes would end at the end of >>>>> this month, the service itself will cease just before 1am on June
27th.
So, going by that, a barker from the end of May, running for 3-4
weeks.
Makes sense if the Energy Cos will be finished with RTS on June 17th, >>>>
Well, if I click on your link I see the page for 1 second,
then it disappaers and goes to
https://www.bbc.com/audio/play/m002w5qz
and this page shows:
"Error 404 - Oops, the page you're looking for is no longer here".
I think it's because I'm not in the UK.....
#
can only get it outside thw UK if you use a VPN with one end here.
The built in VPN using the Firefox web Browser may help.
more or less an entire transcript
Thank you, Mark
I posted your message on radiotrefpunt.nl ,
but they don't believe me (and you),
because in all internet news messages
only the date 27 June is mentioned
as the end of "Radio 4's Long Wave Service".
for example
https://www.bbc.co.uk/reception/work-warning/news/radio4lw
"Radio 4rCOs Long Wave (LW) service will close on the 27th June 2026. "
Because BBC Reception is writing this, I think:
close = switching transmitter off.
That's the end of their service.
My English is not good enough to understand the second sentence:
"We will broadcast daily on-air reminders
to help everyone switch to other ways of listening."
1.
Who are "we"?
BBC Radio 4 or BBC Reception?
2.
on-air reminders:
during the BBC Radio 4 programmes on LW (by BBC Radio 4)?
or special announcements after ending of BBC Radio 4 LW programmes?
or both?
I have just heard on Radio 4's Six O'Clock News that Arqiva has
announced that R4 long wave will close on 27 June just before 1 am >(presumably at the end of the shipping forecast).
In simpler words, the announcement tell us that Radio 4 Long Wave willAre BBC radio channels disappearing from Freeview? Does that include
be off the air after 27th June 2026, so-a you will need to use FM, DAB, Freeview (Until it gets closed down in 2034) or listen on line.
On 14/05/2026 13:00, John Williamson wrote:
In simpler words, the announcement tell us that Radio 4 Long Wave willAre BBC radio channels disappearing from Freeview? Does that include
be off the air after 27th June 2026, so you will need to use FM, DAB,
Freeview (Until it gets closed down in 2034) or listen on line.
Freesat as well? I'll need to find a new way of recording radio, if not
from DVB-T or DVB-S using TVHeadend.
Op 13-5-2026 om 12:05 schreef Mark Carver:Well, I think that's (June 27th ) when the carrier will finally drop.
On 13/05/2026 08:44, John Williamson wrote:
On 12/05/2026 21:36, Rink wrote:
Op 12-5-2026 om 21:25 schreef Mark Carver:
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sounds/play/m002w5qz
Spool forward to 25:25. They said programmes would end at the end of >>>>> this month, the service itself will cease just before 1am on June
27th.
On 14/05/2026 13:00, John Williamson wrote:Can you use a DVB-T USB stick and Qt-DAB instead? https://github.com/JvanKatwijk/qt-dab
In simpler words, the announcement tell us that Radio 4 Long Wave willAre BBC radio channels disappearing from Freeview? Does that include
be off the air after 27th June 2026, so-a you will need to use FM, DAB,
Freeview (Until it gets closed down in 2034) or listen on line.
Freesat as well? I'll need to find a new way of recording radio, if not
from DVB-T or DVB-S using TVHeadend.
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