• McCullum asked curators to prepare a PACY and BOUNCY Pitch at Lords

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    McCullum asked curators to prepare a PACY and BOUNCY Pitch at Lords



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    https://www.espncricinfo.com/story/england-want-pace-bounce-lords-jofra-archer-ready-to-go-1493960

    England want pace and bounce at Lord's, Jofra Archer 'ready to go'

    Brendon McCullum says England have asked for a pitch with "plenty of
    life in it" after heavy defeat at Edgbaston left series at 1-1

    England have asked for a pitch with "plenty of life in it" at Lord's
    this week as they prepare to welcome back Jofra Archer and Gus Atkinson
    in their bid to recover from a 336-run drubbing by India at Edgbaston.

    Ben Stokes and Brendon McCullum believe that the "subcontinent-style"
    surface prepared at Edgbaston - and the error Stokes made at the toss in choosing to bowl first - played into India's hands, and will look to
    better exploit their home advantage in Thursday's third Test. They are
    also weighing up changes to their fast-bowling attack after a gruelling
    week in the field.

    Fast bowlers dominated the World Test Championship final at Lord's last
    month, with Pat Cummins and Kagiso Rabada both finding significant seam movement. McCullum appears to have a similar surface in mind and has
    requested "something with a bit more pace, a bit more bounce, and maybe
    a little bit of sideways" from MCC head groundsman Karl McDermott.
    "It'll be a blockbuster either way, but I think it's going to set up for
    a cracker - especially if there's plenty of life in it [the pitch]," he
    said.

    India were caught cold on a green seamer at Lord's in 2018, but won a
    dramatic Test there four years ago. They will welcome Jasprit Bumrah
    back into their seam attack after he was rested in Birmingham and are anticipating a different type of surface. "Let's see what wicket they
    give us at Lord's," Shubman Gill, their captain, said. "My guess is that
    it won't be a flat one."

    Archer trained with England ahead of the second Test and bowled on the practice strips throughout, gradually building up his workload after
    returning to first-class cricket for Sussex last month. A series of
    elbow and back injuries have kept him out of Test cricket since February
    2021, but McCullum strongly hinted that he will return at the ground
    where he made his debut.

    "He'll certainly be available for selection," he said. "Our seamers have
    gone two Tests on the spin and we've got a short turnaround before we
    head down to HQ. We'll let the dust settle on this one, but Jofra is
    looking fit, he's looking strong, he's looking ready to go, and he'll
    come into calculations. It's hugely exciting.

    "He's loving being around the group, and it's great to have him. He's obviously been through his injuries and his time out of Test cricket.
    But we all know what he's capable of achieving in Test cricket, and we
    hope that when the opportunity does arrive for him, he's able to
    recapture and also improve on what he's been able to do already in that
    form of the game."

    England will only have one full training session before the third Test
    starts on Thursday, with additional recovery time built into their
    schedule after 443 overs in the field across the first two Tests. They
    have cancelled Tuesday's optional session and for Brydon Carse, Josh
    Tongue and Chris Woakes, the focus will be on recuperation.

    Atkinson has been a big miss for England after straining his hamstring
    against Zimbabwe, and his rehabilitation has taken longer than first anticipated. But he has been named in a 16-man squad for the third Test
    - in which Archer, Sam Cook and Jamie Overton are the other spare
    seamers - and has a remarkable record at Lord's, with a century and 19
    wickets in two Tests there.

    "We need to have a good look at Gus," McCullum said. "We'll just see how
    the dust settles on this [Test]. The guys had quite a heavy workload.
    When you chase a bit of leather, you obviously go pretty deep into your
    spells as well. So we'll see how they are, and then we'll make the
    decision when we get down the road."

    England will resist the temptation to promote Jamie Smith up the order
    at Lord's after his 184 not out and 88 at Edgbaston. "He does look world-class," McCullum said. "We're very happy with him at No. 7 and
    with the gloves on. You wouldn't have done that to [Adam] Gilchrist, so
    I don't think we should do that to Smith."

    Shoaib Bashir will also retain his spot after taking eye-watering match figures of 5 for 286 last week - the third-most expensive in England's
    Test history. Jacob Bethell worked closely with Jeetan Patel on his
    left-arm spin throughout the second Test, but McCullum confirmed that he
    is considered the spare batter rather than a potential allrounder at No. 8.

    "He's a batting option," McCullum said. "He's the next one in if
    something happens, but we don't crowbar anything. He's taking the
    opportunity, while he's got some downtime away from playing and still
    being around the squad, to work on his spin, and I think that's got to
    be a good thingrCa But that's certainly not what we're looking at
    [bringing in Bethell for Bashir], at the moment.

    "[Bashir] is a tough kid. We know how talented he is, and we believe
    he's got an immensely high ceiling. We know he's not the finished
    article yet, but I feel like he's getting better and betterrCa I think he continues to improve, and when conditions allow, he's going to be a real force."
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  • From John Hall@john_nospam@jhall.co.uk to uk.sport.cricket on Mon Jul 7 18:05:10 2025
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    McCullum asked curators to prepare a PACY and BOUNCY Pitch at Lords



    =======================================================================

    https://www.espncricinfo.com/story/england-want-pace-bounce-lords-jofra- >archer-ready-to-go-1493960

    England want pace and bounce at Lord's, Jofra Archer 'ready to go'
    <snip>

    If everyone was fully match-fit, then I suspect that the pace attack
    that England would like to have would be Archer, Atkinson, Carse and
    Stokes. Bur with doubts about the ability of all four to cope with a
    full workload, that would be very risky.
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    McCullum asked curators to prepare a PACY and BOUNCY Pitch at Lords



    =======================================================================

    https://www.espncricinfo.com/story/england-want-pace-bounce-lords-jofra-
    archer-ready-to-go-1493960

    England want pace and bounce at Lord's, Jofra Archer 'ready to go'
    <snip>

    If everyone was fully match-fit, then I suspect that the pace attack
    that England would like to have would be Archer, Atkinson, Carse and
    Stokes. Bur with doubts about the ability of all four to cope with a
    full workload, that would be very risky.



    Risky but England has NO choice though.

    Since Lords pitch will be pacy and bouncy, probably bowlers won't have
    to bowl too many overs.


    Atherton wants to replace Carse and Tongue with Jofra and Gus Atkinson.


    Boycott said Woakes is a spent force.



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    McCullum asked curators to prepare a PACY and BOUNCY Pitch at Lords



    =======================================================================

    https://www.espncricinfo.com/story/england-want-pace-bounce-lords-jofra- >>> archer-ready-to-go-1493960

    England want pace and bounce at Lord's, Jofra Archer 'ready to go'
    <snip>
    If everyone was fully match-fit, then I suspect that the pace attack >>that England would like to have would be Archer, Atkinson, Carse and >>Stokes. Bur with doubts about the ability of all four to cope with a
    full workload, that would be very risky.



    Risky but England has NO choice though.

    Since Lords pitch will be pacy and bouncy, probably bowlers won't have
    to bowl too many overs.


    Atherton wants to replace Carse and Tongue with Jofra and Gus Atkinson.


    Boycott said Woakes is a spent force.




    Now that the weather is reverting to hot and sunny, unless the pitch
    starts green I'd be inclined to agree with Boycott. Apparently Carse's
    injury was only a blistered toe, so you'd hope he'd be fit to play.
    Recently England have been naming their side two days before the match,
    but haven't done so this time, which suggests they want to leave the
    decision on everyone's fitness as late as possible.
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    will hardly mind anything else."
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  • From miked@mike@library.net to uk.sport.cricket on Wed Jul 9 00:16:33 2025
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    On Mon, 7 Jul 2025 17:05:10 +0000, John Hall wrote:

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    England want pace and bounce at Lord's, Jofra Archer 'ready to go'
    <snip>

    If everyone was fully match-fit, then I suspect that the pace attack
    that England would like to have would be Archer, Atkinson, Carse and
    Stokes. Bur with doubts about the ability of all four to cope with a
    full workload, that would be very risky.

    lets hope the lords ignore him, cos if they do what he wants it will
    almost certainly aid india as their quicks are all fit and in form.
    england have quite a poor record at lords i believe, certainly against
    oz.

    mike
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    McCullum asked curators to prepare a PACY and BOUNCY Pitch at Lords


    Clearly the curator either wasn't listening or wasn't up to the job. :)
    It's an even slower pitch than the one at Edgbaston which, combined with
    some very disciplined Indian bowling and a little seam movement and
    swing, scuppered any attempt at Bazball. It was good for England that
    Root, Pope and Stokes played for the most part well-judged innings,
    generally not trying to be more ambitious than the conditions and the
    bowling allowed.

    Rather surprisingly, although it was only the first day, some balls were already turning for the spinners, suggesting that Stokes made the right
    call at the toss. Another advantage of batting first was that it gave
    Woakes and Carse more time to recover from their exertions in the
    previous Test.

    A lot could depend on just how serious Pant and Stokes' injuries are. Especially given the hot weather, the England attack could struggle if
    Stokes is unable to bowl. And of course India would be badly handicapped
    if Pant can't bat, though at least Jurel seems to be an excellent
    keeper.

    As usual the over rate was slow, though without the delays caused by the injuries to Pant and Stokes, and the bizarre mass ladybird invasion,
    there would have been another five or so overs bowled.
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    John Hall
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    will hardly mind anything else."
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    McCullum asked curators to prepare a PACY and BOUNCY Pitch at Lords


    Clearly the curator either wasn't listening or wasn't up to the job. :)
    It's an even slower pitch than the one at Edgbaston which, combined with some very disciplined Indian bowling and a little seam movement and
    swing, scuppered any attempt at Bazball.



    I think the curator couldn't prepare a bouncy and pacy pitch because of
    the hot weather "OR" it could be a psychological ploy on the part of
    Stokes and McCullum to PLANT SEEDS OF DOUBT in Indian team's minds.


    Eschewing bazball has more to do with England coming to their senses
    that bazball WON'T work all the time in all conditions in every
    situation and also the FACT that they can't take this India team lightly despite India's not so good test record in England.




    It was good for England that
    Root, Pope and Stokes played for the most part well-judged innings, generally not trying to be more ambitious than the conditions and the bowling allowed.

    Rather surprisingly, although it was only the first day, some balls were already turning for the spinners, suggesting that Stokes made the right
    call at the toss. Another advantage of batting first was that it gave
    Woakes and Carse more time to recover from their exertions in the
    previous Test.


    Gill should have brought Jadeja into the attack at least 45 minutes
    earlier than he did, bowling the seamers for 47 overs.




    A lot could depend on just how serious Pant and Stokes' injuries are. Especially given the hot weather, the England attack could struggle if Stokes is unable to bowl. And of course India would be badly handicapped
    if Pant can't bat, though at least Jurel seems to be an excellent keeper.




    Yeah pant's injury will sure HURT India in terms of RUNS and DISRUPTING bowlers lengths and rhythm when India bats.



    As usual the over rate was slow, though without the delays caused by the injuries to Pant and Stokes, and the bizarre mass ladybird invasion,
    there would have been another five or so overs bowled.




    Right now the honors are even stevens OR England slightly ahead 55-45 odds.


    Interesting day ahead tomorrow.





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    McCullum asked curators to prepare a PACY and BOUNCY Pitch at Lords

    Clearly the curator either wasn't listening or wasn't up to the job.
    :) It's an even slower pitch than the one at Edgbaston which,
    combined with some very disciplined Indian bowling and a little seam >>movement and swing, scuppered any attempt at Bazball.



    I think the curator couldn't prepare a bouncy and pacy pitch because of
    the hot weather "OR" it could be a psychological ploy on the part of
    Stokes and McCullum to PLANT SEEDS OF DOUBT in Indian team's minds.

    I don't think they are that subtle. :) I think the Lord's pitches have
    been slow for a number of years. They probably need to be dug up and
    fresh soil put down, but of course that would have to be a long-term
    project.



    Eschewing bazball has more to do with England coming to their senses
    that bazball WON'T work all the time in all conditions in every
    situation and also the FACT that they can't take this India team
    lightly despite India's not so good test record in England.


    Yes, I think England realised that the conditions and the Indian bowling
    made fast scoring impossible. I'm not sure that could have come to terms
    with that a year or two ago, so they're learning if not always as
    quickly as one would like.




    It was good for England that Root, Pope and Stokes played for the
    most part well-judged innings, generally not trying to be more
    ambitious than the conditions and the bowling allowed.
    Rather surprisingly, although it was only the first day, some balls
    were already turning for the spinners, suggesting that Stokes made the >>right call at the toss. Another advantage of batting first was that
    it gave Woakes and Carse more time to recover from their exertions in
    the previous Test.


    Gill should have brought Jadeja into the attack at least 45 minutes
    earlier than he did, bowling the seamers for 47 overs.


    Yes, he did seem to wait too long, given that Root and Pope had begun to
    play the quicks fairly comfortably.



    A lot could depend on just how serious Pant and Stokes' injuries
    are. Especially given the hot weather, the England attack could
    struggle if Stokes is unable to bowl. And of course India would be
    badly handicapped if Pant can't bat, though at least Jurel seems to be
    an excellent keeper.




    Yeah pant's injury will sure HURT India in terms of RUNS and DISRUPTING >bowlers lengths and rhythm when India bats.



    As usual the over rate was slow, though without the delays caused by
    the injuries to Pant and Stokes, and the bizarre mass ladybird
    invasion, there would have been another five or so overs bowled.




    Right now the honors are even stevens OR England slightly ahead 55-45 odds.

    I'd agree with that. If England can get to 400 they will be ahead, but
    if they are all out for less than 350 then I think India will be
    favourites.



    Interesting day ahead tomorrow.


    Yep.

    There's an old children's rhyme that goes:
    "Ladybird, ladybird, fly away home.
    "Your house is on fire and your children alone."

    Perhaps the players should have tried chanting that to get rid of the infestation. :)
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