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Not a heading I ever expected to use in this group. To be more precise,
it's the German women's T20 team that I feel sorry for. They've been
playing in a competition with the Netherlands, Ireland and Italy.
Yesterday they played the Dutch, who made 255-3 in their 20 overs, to
which Germany replied with 53 all out in 17.2 overs. And today, against >Ireland, it was arguably even worse: Ireland 223-1, Germany 44-8. If
none of their players wants ever to play the game in future, it would
be hard to blame them.
Not a heading I ever expected to use in this group. To be more precise,
it's the German women's T20 team that I feel sorry for. They've been
playing in a competition with the Netherlands, Ireland and Italy.
Yesterday they played the Dutch, who made 255-3 in their 20 overs, to
which Germany replied with 53 all out in 17.2 overs. And today, against Ireland, it was arguably even worse: Ireland 223-1, Germany 44-8. If
none of their players wants ever to play the game in future, it would be hard to blame them.
On 8/24/2025 1:58 PM, John Hall wrote:
Not a heading I ever expected to use in this group. To be more
precise, it's the German women's T20 team that I feel sorry for.
They've been playing in a competition with the Netherlands, Ireland
and Italy. Yesterday they played the Dutch, who made 255-3 in their
20 overs, to which Germany replied with 53 all out in 17.2 overs. And >>today, against Ireland, it was arguably even worse: Ireland 223-1, >>Germany 44-8. If none of their players wants ever to play the game in >>future, it would be hard to blame them.
I don't think soccer crazy European countries excluding England and
Ireland will EVER TAKE CRICKET SERIOUSLY.
In message <34c2ee81-8f7c-4ecd-bb0f-60a0c7d1054c@america.com>, >FBInCIAnNSATerroristSlayer <FBInCIAnNSATerroristSlayer@america.com>
writes
On 8/24/2025 1:58 PM, John Hall wrote:
Not a heading I ever expected to use in this group. To be more
precise, it's the German women's T20 team that I feel sorry for.
They've been playing in a competition with the Netherlands, Ireland
and Italy. Yesterday they played the Dutch, who made 255-3 in their
20 overs, to which Germany replied with 53 all out in 17.2 overs.
And today, against Ireland, it was arguably even worse: Ireland
223-1, Germany 44-8. If none of their players wants ever to play the >>>game in future, it would be hard to blame them.
I don't think soccer crazy European countries excluding England and >>Ireland will EVER TAKE CRICKET SERIOUSLY.
Well the Netherlands seem to take it fairly seriously. They aren't
quite as good as Ireland but aren't far short. But I agree that they
are pretty much the exception.
In message <34c2ee81-8f7c-4ecd-bb0f-60a0c7d1054c@america.com>, FBInCIAnNSATerroristSlayer <FBInCIAnNSATerroristSlayer@america.com> writes
On 8/24/2025 1:58 PM, John Hall wrote:
Not a heading I ever expected to use in this group. To be more
precise, it's the German women's T20 team that I feel sorry for.
They've been playing in a competition with the Netherlands, Ireland
and Italy.-a Yesterday they played the Dutch, who made 255-3 in their
20 overs, to-a which Germany replied with 53 all out in 17.2 overs.
And today, against-a Ireland, it was arguably even worse: Ireland
223-1, Germany 44-8. If-a none of their players wants ever to play the
game in future, it would be-a hard to blame them.
I don't think soccer crazy European countries excluding England and
Ireland will EVER TAKE CRICKET SERIOUSLY.
Well the Netherlands seem to take it fairly seriously. They aren't quite
as good as Ireland but aren't far short. But I agree that they are
pretty much the exception.
On 8/27/2025 2:21 AM, John Hall wrote:
In message <34c2ee81-8f7c-4ecd-bb0f-60a0c7d1054c@america.com>, >>FBInCIAnNSATerroristSlayer <FBInCIAnNSATerroristSlayer@america.com>
writes
On 8/24/2025 1:58 PM, John Hall wrote:Well the Netherlands seem to take it fairly seriously. They aren't
Not a heading I ever expected to use in this group. To be more >>>>precise, it's the German women's T20 team that I feel sorry for. >>>>They've been playing in a competition with the Netherlands, Ireland >>>>and Italy.a Yesterday they played the Dutch, who made 255-3 in their >>>>which Germany replied with 53 all out in 17.2 overs. And today, >>>>againsta Ireland, it was arguably even worse: Ireland 223-1,
Germany 44-8. Ifa none of their players wants ever to play the game >>>>in future, it would bea hard to blame them.
I don't think soccer crazy European countries excluding England and >>>Ireland will EVER TAKE CRICKET SERIOUSLY.
quite as good as Ireland but aren't far short. But I agree that they
are pretty much the exception.
Most netherlands cricket team players are expatriates from England,
India and Ireland.
Even though Netherlands caused some upsets in ODI and T20 world cups,
native dutch people aren't taking cricket seriously enough, me thinks.
On 8/27/2025 2:21 AM, John Hall wrote:
In message <34c2ee81-8f7c-4ecd-bb0f-60a0c7d1054c@america.com>,
FBInCIAnNSATerroristSlayer <FBInCIAnNSATerroristSlayer@america.com>
writes
On 8/24/2025 1:58 PM, John Hall wrote:
Not a heading I ever expected to use in this group. To be more
precise, it's the German women's T20 team that I feel sorry for.
They've been playing in a competition with the Netherlands, Ireland
and Italy.-a Yesterday they played the Dutch, who made 255-3 in their >>>> 20 overs, to-a which Germany replied with 53 all out in 17.2 overs.
And today, against-a Ireland, it was arguably even worse: Ireland
223-1, Germany 44-8. If-a none of their players wants ever to play
the game in future, it would be-a hard to blame them.
I don't think soccer crazy European countries excluding England and
Ireland will EVER TAKE CRICKET SERIOUSLY.
Well the Netherlands seem to take it fairly seriously. They aren't
quite as good as Ireland but aren't far short. But I agree that they
are pretty much the exception.
Most netherlands cricket team players are expatriates from England,
India and Ireland.
On 28/08/2025 08:03, FBInCIAnNSATerroristSlayer wrote:
On 8/27/2025 2:21 AM, John Hall wrote:
In message <34c2ee81-8f7c-4ecd-bb0f-60a0c7d1054c@america.com>, >>>FBInCIAnNSATerroristSlayer <FBInCIAnNSATerroristSlayer@america.com> >>>writesMost netherlands cricket team players are expatriates from
On 8/24/2025 1:58 PM, John Hall wrote:
Not a heading I ever expected to use in this group. To be more >>>>>precise, it's the German women's T20 team that I feel sorry for. >>>>>They've been playing in a competition with the Netherlands, Ireland >>>>>and Italy.a Yesterday they played the Dutch, who made 255-3 in
their 20 overs, toa which Germany replied with 53 all out in 17.2 >>>>>overs. And today, againsta Ireland, it was arguably even worse: >>>>>Ireland 223-1, Germany 44-8. Ifa none of their players wants ever >>>>>to play the game in future, it would bea hard to blame them.
I don't think soccer crazy European countries excluding England and >>>>Ireland will EVER TAKE CRICKET SERIOUSLY.
Well the Netherlands seem to take it fairly seriously. They aren't >>>quite as good as Ireland but aren't far short. But I agree that they
are pretty much the exception.
England, India and Ireland.
Far more from South Africa, I think. Of their last men's team, who
played Italy in July, Max O'Dowd is from NZ, Scott Edwards from Tonga >(raised in Aus) and Roelof van der Merwe from SA, but Bas de Leede,
Aryan Dutt and Paul van Meekeren were all born in NL. CI does not give >birtplaces for the others.
Their 11 most capped players in ODIs and T20Is are:
O'Dowd (NZ)
Edwards (Tonga)
Pieter Seelaar (NL)
van Meekeren (NL)
Wesley Barresi (SA)
Peter Borren (NZ)
de Leede (NL)
Mudassar Bukhari (Pak)
van der Merwe (SA)
Dutt (NL)
Vikramjit Singh (Ind)
In message <mhcsavFso3U1@mid.individual.net>, David North <nospam@lane- farm.fsnet.co.uk> writes
On 28/08/2025 08:03, FBInCIAnNSATerroristSlayer wrote:
On 8/27/2025 2:21 AM, John Hall wrote:
In message <34c2ee81-8f7c-4ecd-bb0f-60a0c7d1054c@america.com>,-a-a Most netherlands cricket team players are expatriates from
FBInCIAnNSATerroristSlayer <FBInCIAnNSATerroristSlayer@america.com>
writes
On 8/24/2025 1:58 PM, John Hall wrote:
Not a heading I ever expected to use in this group. To be more
precise, it's the German women's T20 team that I feel sorry for.
They've been playing in a competition with the Netherlands,
Ireland and Italy.-a Yesterday they played the Dutch, who made
255-3 in their 20 overs, to-a which Germany replied with 53 all out >>>>>> in 17.2 overs.-a And today, against-a Ireland, it was arguably even >>>>>> worse: Ireland-a 223-1, Germany 44-8. If-a none of their players
wants ever to play-a the game in future, it would be-a hard to blame >>>>>> them.
I don't think soccer crazy European countries excluding England and >>>>> Ireland will EVER TAKE CRICKET SERIOUSLY.
Well the Netherlands seem to take it fairly seriously. They aren't
quite as good as Ireland but aren't far short. But I agree that they
are pretty much the exception.
England, India and Ireland.
Far more from South Africa, I think. Of their last men's team, who
played Italy in July, Max O'Dowd is from NZ, Scott Edwards from Tonga
(raised in Aus) and Roelof van der Merwe from SA, but Bas de Leede,
Aryan Dutt and Paul van Meekeren were all born in NL. CI does not give
birtplaces for the others.
Their 11 most capped players in ODIs and T20Is are:
O'Dowd (NZ)
Edwards (Tonga)
Pieter Seelaar (NL)
van Meekeren (NL)
Wesley Barresi (SA)
Peter Borren (NZ)
de Leede (NL)
Mudassar Bukhari (Pak)
van der Merwe (SA)
Dutt (NL)
Vikramjit Singh (Ind)
Is that just among current players? Otherwise Ryan Ten Deschate should surely be on the list.
On 29/08/2025 08:29, John Hall wrote:
In message <mhcsavFso3U1@mid.individual.net>, David North
<nospam@lane- farm.fsnet.co.uk> writes
On 28/08/2025 08:03, FBInCIAnNSATerroristSlayer wrote:Is that just among current players? Otherwise Ryan Ten Deschate
On 8/27/2025 2:21 AM, John Hall wrote:
In message <34c2ee81-8f7c-4ecd-bb0f-60a0c7d1054c@america.com>, >>>>>FBInCIAnNSATerroristSlayer <FBInCIAnNSATerroristSlayer@america.com>aa Most netherlands cricket team players are expatriates from >>>>England, India and Ireland.
On 8/24/2025 1:58 PM, John Hall wrote:
Not a heading I ever expected to use in this group. To be more >>>>>>>precise, it's the German women's T20 team that I feel sorry for. >>>>>>>They've been playing in a competition with the Netherlands, >>>>>>>Ireland and Italy.a Yesterday they played the Dutch, who made >>>>>>>255-3 in their 20 overs, toa which Germany replied with 53 all >>>>>>>out in 17.2 overs.a And today, againsta Ireland, it was arguably >>>>>>>even worse: Irelanda 223-1, Germany 44-8. Ifa none of their >>>>>>>players wants ever to playa the game in future, it would bea hard to blame them.
I don't think soccer crazy European countries excluding England >>>>>>Ireland will EVER TAKE CRICKET SERIOUSLY.
Well the Netherlands seem to take it fairly seriously. They aren't >>>>>quite as good as Ireland but aren't far short. But I agree that
they are pretty much the exception.
Far more from South Africa, I think. Of their last men's team, who >>>played Italy in July, Max O'Dowd is from NZ, Scott Edwards from Tonga >>>(raised in Aus) and Roelof van der Merwe from SA, but Bas de Leede, >>>Aryan Dutt and Paul van Meekeren were all born in NL. CI does not
give birtplaces for the others.
Their 11 most capped players in ODIs and T20Is are:
O'Dowd (NZ)
Edwards (Tonga)
Pieter Seelaar (NL)
van Meekeren (NL)
Wesley Barresi (SA)
Peter Borren (NZ)
de Leede (NL)
Mudassar Bukhari (Pak)
van der Merwe (SA)
Dutt (NL)
Vikramjit Singh (Ind)
should surely be on the list.
Surprisingly not. The number of ODIs and T20Is that NL play increased >substantially around 2019, so almost half of their 272 matches have
been played in the last 6 years, despite Covid. 2019 was more or less
the end of Ten Doeschate's international career (he played 2 matches in >2021). He also went for over 7 years without playing any ODIs or T20Is >between 2011 and 2018.
His 57 matches only put him 20th on the list.
https://stats.espncricinfo.com/ci/engine/stats/index.html?class=11;team= >15;template=results;type=allround
In message <mhfhspFeu5hU1@mid.individual.net>, David North <nospam@lane- farm.fsnet.co.uk> writes
On 29/08/2025 08:29, John Hall wrote:
In message <mhcsavFso3U1@mid.individual.net>, David North
<nospam@lane--a farm.fsnet.co.uk> writes
On 28/08/2025 08:03, FBInCIAnNSATerroristSlayer wrote:-aIs that just among current players? Otherwise Ryan Ten Deschate
On 8/27/2025 2:21 AM, John Hall wrote:
In message <34c2ee81-8f7c-4ecd-bb0f-60a0c7d1054c@america.com>,-a-a Most netherlands cricket team players are expatriates from
FBInCIAnNSATerroristSlayer <FBInCIAnNSATerroristSlayer@america.com> >>>>>>> On 8/24/2025 1:58 PM, John Hall wrote:
Not a heading I ever expected to use in this group. To be more >>>>>>>> precise, it's the German women's T20 team that I feel sorry for. >>>>>>>> They've been playing in a competition with the Netherlands,
Ireland and Italy.-a Yesterday they played the Dutch, who made >>>>>>>> 255-3 in their 20 overs, to-a which Germany replied with 53 all >>>>>>>> out-a in 17.2 overs.-a And today, against-a Ireland, it was
arguably even-a worse: Ireland-a 223-1, Germany 44-8. If-a none of >>>>>>>> their players-a wants ever to play-a the game in future, it would >>>>>>>> be-a hard to blame-a them.
I don't think soccer crazy European countries excluding England >>>>>>> Ireland will EVER TAKE CRICKET SERIOUSLY.
Well the Netherlands seem to take it fairly seriously. They aren't >>>>>> quite as good as Ireland but aren't far short. But I agree that
they-a are pretty much the exception.
England, India and Ireland.
Far more from South Africa, I think. Of their last men's team, who
played Italy in July, Max O'Dowd is from NZ, Scott Edwards from
Tonga (raised in Aus) and Roelof van der Merwe from SA, but Bas de
Leede, Aryan Dutt and Paul van Meekeren were all born in NL. CI does
not give-a birtplaces for the others.
Their 11 most capped players in ODIs and T20Is are:
O'Dowd (NZ)
Edwards (Tonga)
Pieter Seelaar (NL)
van Meekeren (NL)
Wesley Barresi (SA)
Peter Borren (NZ)
de Leede (NL)
Mudassar Bukhari (Pak)
van der Merwe (SA)
Dutt (NL)
Vikramjit Singh (Ind)
should surely be on the list.
Surprisingly not. The number of ODIs and T20Is that NL play increased
substantially around 2019, so almost half of their 272 matches have
been played in the last 6 years, despite Covid. 2019 was more or less
the end of Ten Doeschate's international career (he played 2 matches
in 2021). He also went for over 7 years without playing any ODIs or
T20Is between 2011 and 2018.
If the Netherlands were playing all their matches during the English
season during that period, then perhaps his commitment to Essex
prevented him from playing.
His 57 matches only put him 20th on the list.
https://stats.espncricinfo.com/ci/engine/stats/index.html?class=11;team=
15;template=results;type=allround
Thanks, David.
He must surely have been the greatest ever Dutch player, whether you
define that as anyone who has played for the Netherlands or restrict it
to those who were "genuinely" Dutch.
On 30/08/2025 10:22, John Hall wrote:
In message <mhfhspFeu5hU1@mid.individual.net>, David North
<nospam@lane- farm.fsnet.co.uk> writes
On 29/08/2025 08:29, John Hall wrote:If the Netherlands were playing all their matches during the English >>season during that period, then perhaps his commitment to Essex
In message <mhcsavFso3U1@mid.individual.net>, David North >>>><nospam@lane-a farm.fsnet.co.uk> writes
On 28/08/2025 08:03, FBInCIAnNSATerroristSlayer wrote:aIs that just among current players? Otherwise Ryan Ten Deschate >>>>should surely be on the list.
On 8/27/2025 2:21 AM, John Hall wrote:
In message <34c2ee81-8f7c-4ecd-bb0f-60a0c7d1054c@america.com>, >>>>>>>FBInCIAnNSATerroristSlayer <FBInCIAnNSATerroristSlayer@america.com> >>>>>>>> On 8/24/2025 1:58 PM, John Hall wrote:aa Most netherlands cricket team players are expatriates from >>>>>>England, India and Ireland.
Not a heading I ever expected to use in this group. To be more >>>>>>>>>precise, it's the German women's T20 team that I feel sorry >>>>>>>>>They've been playing in a competition with the Netherlands, >>>>>>>>>Ireland and Italy.a Yesterday they played the Dutch, who made >>>>>>>>>255-3 in their 20 overs, toa which Germany replied with 53 all >>>>>>>>>outa in 17.2 overs.a And today, againsta Ireland, it was >>>>>>>>>arguably evena worse: Irelanda 223-1, Germany 44-8. Ifa none of >>>>>>>>>their playersa wants ever to playa the game in future, it would bea hard to blamea them.
I don't think soccer crazy European countries excluding England >>>>>>>>Ireland will EVER TAKE CRICKET SERIOUSLY.
Well the Netherlands seem to take it fairly seriously. They >>>>>>>aren't quite as good as Ireland but aren't far short. But I agree >>>>>>>are pretty much the exception.
Far more from South Africa, I think. Of their last men's team, who >>>>>played Italy in July, Max O'Dowd is from NZ, Scott Edwards from >>>>>Tonga (raised in Aus) and Roelof van der Merwe from SA, but Bas de >>>>>Leede, Aryan Dutt and Paul van Meekeren were all born in NL. CI
does not givea birtplaces for the others.
Their 11 most capped players in ODIs and T20Is are:
O'Dowd (NZ)
Edwards (Tonga)
Pieter Seelaar (NL)
van Meekeren (NL)
Wesley Barresi (SA)
Peter Borren (NZ)
de Leede (NL)
Mudassar Bukhari (Pak)
van der Merwe (SA)
Dutt (NL)
Vikramjit Singh (Ind)
Surprisingly not. The number of ODIs and T20Is that NL play
increased substantially around 2019, so almost half of their 272
matches have been played in the last 6 years, despite Covid. 2019
was more or less the end of Ten Doeschate's international career (he >>>played 2 matches in 2021). He also went for over 7 years without >>>playing any ODIs or T20Is between 2011 and 2018.
prevented him from playing.
His 57 matches only put him 20th on the list.Thanks, David.
https://stats.espncricinfo.com/ci/engine/stats/index.html?class=11;team= >>> 15;template=results;type=allround
He must surely have been the greatest ever Dutch player, whether you >>define that as anyone who has played for the Netherlands or restrict
it to those who were "genuinely" Dutch.
That depends on how you define the latter. He is from Port Elizabeth
and grew up in SA, but his father is Dutch. I couldn't find any mention
of his mother's origins.