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Apparently there is a bill introduced in America - not sure whether it
has been passed into law yet - that obliges health insurers that pay for transgender surgery, to also pay for the damage it causes. In the case
of girls being turned into men (an impossibility, of course, but these transgender idiots will happily mutilate them in the cause of an
ideology) the reversal covers bone degradation, heart disease, loss of fertility, all the reconstructive surgery, and no doubt other on-going
costs.

It's just a pity they don't unload some of the costs onto the
psychologists who encourage this nonsense and the surgeons who
transgress their Hippocratic oaths by carrying out the surgery in the
first place.

God bless,
Kendall K. Down
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On 04/08/2026 07:21, Kendall K. Down wrote:

Apparently there is a bill introduced in America - not sure whether it
has been passed into law yet - that obliges health insurers that pay for transgender surgery, to also pay for the damage it causes. In the case
of girls being turned into men (an impossibility, of course, but these transgender idiots will happily mutilate them in the cause of an
ideology) the reversal covers bone degradation, heart disease, loss of fertility, all the reconstructive surgery, and no doubt other on-going costs.

It's just a pity they don't unload some of the costs onto the
psychologists who encourage this nonsense and the surgeons who
transgress their Hippocratic oaths by carrying out the surgery in the
first place.

God bless,
Kendall K. Down

The Hippocratic Oath is not sworn any longer. If you read it, I'm sure
you'll understand why:

"I swear by Apollo Healer, by Asclepius, by Hygieia, by Panacea, and by
all the gods and goddesses, making them my witnesses, that I will carry
out, according to my ability and judgment, this oath and this indenture.

To hold my teacher in this art equal to my own parents; to make him
partner in my livelihood; when he is in need of money to share mine with
him; to consider his family as my own brothers, and to teach them this
art, if they want to learn it, without fee or indenture; to impart
precept, oral instruction, and all other instruction to my own sons, the
sons of my teacher, and to indentured pupils who have taken the Healer's
oath, but to nobody else.

I will use those dietary regimens which will benefit my patients
according to my greatest ability and judgment, and I will do no harm or injustice to them.[4] Neither will I administer a poison to anybody when
asked to do so, nor will I suggest such a course. Similarly I will not
give to a woman a pessary to cause abortion. But I will keep pure and
holy both my life and my art. I will not use the knife, not even,
verily, on sufferers from stone, but I will give place to such as are craftsmen therein.

Into whatsoever houses I enter, I will enter to help the sick, and I
will abstain from all intentional wrong-doing and harm, especially from abusing the bodies of man or woman, bond or free. And whatsoever I shall
see or hear in the course of my profession, as well as outside my
profession in my intercourse with men, if it be what should not be
published abroad, I will never divulge, holding such things to be holy secrets.

Now if I carry out this oath, and break it not, may I gain for ever
reputation among all men for my life and for my art; but if I break it
and forswear myself, may the opposite befall me."




Your main point, I'm sure, is "I will do no harm", and that begs the
question entirely, ie how best to minimise the harm resulting from
gender dysphoria.





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On 04/08/2026 15:44, Kendall K. Down wrote:

On 04/08/2026 13:38, GB wrote:

The Hippocratic Oath is not sworn any longer. If you read it, I'm sure
you'll understand why:

Even when it was, I'm pretty sure the mention of heathen gods was
ommitted. Apart from that, it all seems like good stuff.

Your main point, I'm sure, is "I will do no harm", and that begs the
question entirely, ie how best to minimise the harm resulting from
gender dysphoria.

Indeed, but there is no question-begging involved. There is clearly no confusion over a person's gender - just pull his or her trousers down
(or do a DNA test if you are squeamish)[1]. It is clear that any man thinking he is a woman (or vice versa) is suffering from a mental
problem and treatment for the mentally ill is appropriate.

Your views are heavily biased by your religious observance. Fortunately, you're not involved in caring for people with gender dysphoria, so it
doesn't much matter what you think.

God bless,
Kendall K. Down

Note 1: Yes, I am aware that there are a tiny number of individuals
whose DNA does not provide a clear answer to their sex. In that tiny
number of individuals a certain amount of choice or even surgery may be required.

You might care to find out abut Intersex people (with ambiguous external genitalia). It might make you realise that there's a bigger range of possibilities than you choose to imagine. Certainly, there are people
where "just pull his or her trousers down " leaves you none the wiser.





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On 04/08/2026 16:18, GB wrote:

Your views are heavily biased by your religious observance. Fortunately, you're not involved in caring for people with gender dysphoria, so it doesn't much matter what you think.

My views are based on science.

You might care to find out abut Intersex people (with ambiguous external genitalia). It might make you realise that there's a bigger range of possibilities than you choose to imagine. Certainly, there are people
where "just pull his or her trousers down " leaves you none the wiser.

As I stated in my note 1. I am fully aware of the existence of such unfortunate individuals and am in favour of whatever can be done for
them by means of surgery or anything else that helps.

God bless,
Kendall K. Down
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On 04/08/2026 15:44, Kendall K. Down wrote:

Indeed, but there is no question-begging involved. There is clearly no confusion over a person's gender - just pull his or her trousers down
(or do a DNA test if you are squeamish)[1]. It is clear that any man thinking he is a woman (or vice versa) is suffering from a mental
problem and treatment for the mentally ill is appropriate.

What treatment to you think appropriate? Attempting to cure gender
dysphoria by mental or psychological processes has been tried for a long
time, and nothing has been found that works.

What does work, very well, is transition (which doesn't necessarily
involve surgery).
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On 04/08/2026 21:49, Laurence Taylor wrote:

What treatment to you think appropriate? Attempting to cure gender
dysphoria by mental or psychological processes has been tried for a long time, and nothing has been found that works.

The same could be said about attempts to cure schizophrenia or
depression. That has not caused intelligent and caring people to stop
trying to find something that works.

What does work, very well, is transition (which doesn't necessarily
involve surgery).

Apart, of course, from those who discover that they have been hoodwinked
and seek to de-transition.

God bless,
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On 05/08/2026 05:57, Kendall K. Down wrote:

On 04/08/2026 21:49, Laurence Taylor wrote:

What treatment to you think appropriate? Attempting to cure gender
dysphoria by mental or psychological processes has been tried for a long
time, and nothing has been found that works.

The same could be said about attempts to cure schizophrenia or
depression. That has not caused intelligent and caring people to stop
trying to find something that works.

What does work, very well, is transition (which doesn't necessarily
involve surgery).

Apart, of course, from those who discover that they have been hoodwinked
and seek to de-transition.

I tend to agree with you that surgery is a pretty scary option - best
avoided.

However, there is no rational reason why people who want to dress and
live as the opposite sex should not be allowed to do so. I'll go further
and say they should be encouraged to do so if that improves their mental wellbeing.

That seems a humane and kind approach, but it runs contrary to the
bible, specifically Deuteronomy 22:5, although there's some discussion
about the meaning of that verse.

Obviously, if surgery is avoided, all your arguments about
de-transitioning fall away.

God bless,
Kendall K. Down

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On 06/08/2026 15:42, GB wrote:

However, there is no rational reason why people who want to dress and
live as the opposite sex should not be allowed to do so. I'll go further
and say they should be encouraged to do so if that improves their mental wellbeing.

So long as it goes no further than living and dressing, I'm inclined to
agree with you - but no surgery, no hormones.

That seems a humane and kind approach, but it runs contrary to the
bible, specifically Deuteronomy 22:5, although there's some discussion
about the meaning of that verse.

Yes, it does go contrary to the Bible. I don't think the Bible is
talking about pantomime dames or children dressing up for a game or a
party. My opinion is that the Biblical prohibition is directed at cross-dressing for sexual purposes.

Obviously, if surgery is avoided, all your arguments about de-
transitioning fall away.

Partly. If someone is encouraged to cross-dress and adopt the persona of
the opposite sex, they are losing years of normal childhood, normal development, and returning to their proper sex can be difficult. That
would not apply to someone who cross-dresses off their own bat.

God bless,
Kendall K. Down
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In article <1152lj0$2thb$2@dont-email.me>,
Kendall K. Down <kendallkdown@googlemail.com> wrote:

Yes, it does go contrary to the Bible. I don't think the Bible is
talking about pantomime dames or children dressing up for a game or a
party. My opinion is that the Biblical prohibition is directed at cross-dressing for sexual purposes.

Agreed.
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In article <11526ga$3t90p$1@dont-email.me>,
GB <NOTsomeone@microsoft.invalid> wrote:

That seems a humane and kind approach, but it runs contrary to the
bible, specifically Deuteronomy 22:5, although there's some discussion
about the meaning of that verse.

Indeed it does. I think the meaning depends on social norms and tradition.
In Scotland, for example, it should not prevent the wearing of the kilt by
men, though some might consider a kilt to be women's clothing. The wearing
of jeans and slacks by ladies is normal in the west for good practical
reasons.

For example, yesterday we visited the transport museum in Coventry and
there was an exhibit talking about how ladies should dress when riding bicycles. There was outrage when they started wearing bloomers instead of
the long skirts which were fashionable at the time.
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