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The Israeli government and military have made all the right noises, but
they are not going to punish a fellow-Jew for vandalising a statue of
Christ. They'll fail to identify him or find some technicality for
letting him off.

God bless,
Kendall K. Down
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In article <10s5bgv$p7rp$1@dont-email.me>,
Kendall K. Down <kendallkdown@googlemail.com> wrote:

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-15747871/IDF-soldier-pictured-smashing-statue-Jesus-axe-Lebanon.html

The Israeli government and military have made all the right noises, but
they are not going to punish a fellow-Jew for vandalising a statue of Christ. They'll fail to identify him or find some technicality for
letting him off.

Does is matter?

After all we are not supposed to make images of God
are we.
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On 20/04/2026 15:00, Kendall K. Down wrote:

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-15747871/IDF-soldier-pictured- smashing-statue-Jesus-axe-Lebanon.html

The Israeli government and military have made all the right noises, but
they are not going to punish a fellow-Jew for vandalising a statue of Christ. They'll fail to identify him or find some technicality for
letting him off.

I have no idea what that young soldier thought he was doing. It seems
utterly bizarre, but I think back to when I was his age, and I did some
really pretty foolish things.

Out of interest, what sort of punishment would you think is appropriate?

God bless,
Kendall K. Down

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* GB <10s7nvu$1evqu$1@dont-email.me> :
Wrote on Tue, 21 Apr 2026 12:45:02 +0100:

I have no idea what that young soldier thought he was doing. It seems
utterly bizarre, but I think back to when I was his age, and I did
some really pretty foolish things.

there is some sort of precedent (of desecration of christian artefacts)
in the sack of jerusalem in 614 by the zoroastrians under shahrbaraz
under the shahship of Khosrau-II

"When the city fell after a short siege, in May 614, the reaction in the
Roman world bordered on hysteria. The Jews were accused not just of collaborating with the Persians but of actively supporting
them. According to one source, the Jews were `like evil beasts', helping
the invading army - themselves compared to ferocious animals and hissing snakes.

"They were accused of playing an active role in massacring the local
population who piously rejoiced as they died `because they were being
slain for Christ's sake and shed their blood for His blood'. Stories
spread that churches were being pulled down, crosses trampled underfoot
and icons spat on. The True Crosson which Jesus was crucified was
captured and sent back to the Persian capital as a trophy of war par
excellence for Khusraw. This was a truly disastrous turn of events for
Rome, and one that the Emperor's propagandists immediately turned their attention to in an attempt to limit the damage."


p.82 https://archive.org/details/read-722-pg-pdf-book-the-silk-roads-peter-frankopan/

(lots of new stuff [for me] on the history of christianity, especially
the zoroastrian persecution p.70 and the establishment of the sasanian
state religion)


PS:
"Through the envoys, Heraclius begged for forgiveness and blamed his predecessor, Phokas, for Rome's recent acts of aggression. Presenting
himself as a submissive inferior, the Roman ruler hailed the Shah as
`supreme Emperor'. Khusraw listened carefully to what the envoys had to
say; then he had them executed"



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On 21/04/2026 12:45, GB wrote:

I have no idea what that young soldier thought he was doing. It seems utterly bizarre, but I think back to when I was his age, and I did some really pretty foolish things.

Very true.

Out of interest, what sort of punishment would you think is appropriate?

Hard to say. Today's paper reports that the soldier wielding the axe and
the one who took the video have been given 30 days in military detention
and the other six men in the patrol will be given "advice".
Unfortunately "military detention" can mean anything from hard labour on
bread and water to thirty days relaxation away from combat duties.

I think that he should be made to pay for repairs, at the very least.

And incidentally, I would say the same for someone who damaged a
synagogue. We should respect other people's religious feelings, even if
we don't share them.

God bless,
Kendall K. Down
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On 22/04/2026 03:32, Madhu wrote:

there is some sort of precedent (of desecration of christian artefacts)
in the sack of jerusalem in 614 by the zoroastrians under shahrbaraz
under the shahship of Khosrau-II

Unfortunately, as the book of Acts shows, Jews persecuted Christians
right from the start. History has then see-sawed depending on who was in power. When Christians had the upper hand they persecuted Jews, when -
as in the example you quote above - Jews had the upper hand, they
persecuted Christians.

I am glad that in recent years Christians have recognised that
persecution is contrary to what we might regard as Christian principles.
It would be nice if Jews could reciprocate, but unfortunately the Old Testament is rather short on toleration.

God bless,
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On 22/04/2026 05:00, Kendall K. Down wrote:

On 21/04/2026 12:45, GB wrote:

I have no idea what that young soldier thought he was doing. It seems
utterly bizarre, but I think back to when I was his age, and I did
some really pretty foolish things.

Very true.

Out of interest, what sort of punishment would you think is appropriate?

Hard to say. Today's paper reports that the soldier wielding the axe and
the one who took the video have been given 30 days in military detention
and the other six men in the patrol will be given "advice".
Unfortunately "military detention" can mean anything from hard labour on bread and water to thirty days relaxation away from combat duties.

I think that he should be made to pay for repairs, at the very least.

I certainly hope that it will be paid for by the army and deducted from
the 8 men's wages.

And incidentally, I would say the same for someone who damaged a
synagogue. We should respect other people's religious feelings, even if
we don't share them.

God bless,
Kendall K. Down

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On 22/04/2026 14:15, GB wrote:

I certainly hope that it will be paid for by the army and deducted from
the 8 men's wages.

Though depending on the exact facts of the case, I think the chap
wielding the axe should be liable to the largest amount.

Jews go on about the brutality of the Nazis, who desecrated the Torah
and the sacred scrolls - but that does not give them permission to be
equally destructive when faced with a religion they don't like. I would
be similarly indignant if these soldiers had desecrated a mosque or a
Buddhist temple.

Recently I was up on a local beauty spot and noticed a pile of stones,
one of which bore a written legend, "To Freya, goddess of the north". I
noted with amusement that the pile had been erected facing the south!

I did consider kicking the stones away; I reject paganism and I despise
people who claim to be restoring the old religion without haveing any
idea of what ceremonies or words were used by the old religion. But then
I thought that I would want a pagan to respect my church building and so
I ought to respect his or her pathetic little pile of stones.

I'll admit, however, that I shed no tears when a subsequent visit showed
that the shrine had disappeared.

God bless,
Kendall K. Down
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