As a young Christian in the 70s and 80s we were taught Christian
eschatology in the form of Christian Zionism. Being naive i believed the Church Authorities knew better than myself so i did not question it.I
did not even know that there were alternatives. So i believed absolutely that modern day Israel was part of God's plan....and to go against
modern Israel was to risk the wrath of God
Ge 12:3-a And I will bless them that bless thee, and curse him that
curseth thee: and in thee shall all families of the earth be blessed.#
Israel was always right and justified in what she did and for the rest
it was tough luck. For decades i believed in Israel right or wrong. Then finally i came across a book by one Hank Hannegraf(The Apocalypse Code) where he points out that there is more than one interpretation of
Christian prophecy. And that perhaps modern Israel is NOT the Israel of
the Bible, but just another modern secular political state. And that
indeed American Evangelical Christianity is in error......only God knows
and He aint saying!!!
As a young Christian in the 70s and 80s we were taught Christian
eschatology in the form of Christian Zionism. Being naive i believed the Church Authorities knew better than myself so i did not question it.I
did not even know that there were alternatives. So i believed absolutely that modern day Israel was part of God's plan....and to go against
modern Israel was to risk the wrath of God
Our government should defend British interests and protect BritishThe war with Iran is probably no more illegal than any other war. I'm
citizens at home and abroad. We have NO obligation to support either
Israel, or the USA, in an unjust and illegal war against Iran that we
were never consulted about in the first place.
On 15/03/2026 12:26, mick falconer wrote:
As a young Christian in the 70s and 80s we were taught Christian
eschatology in the form of Christian Zionism. Being naive i believed
the Church Authorities knew better than myself so i did not question
it.I did not even know that there were alternatives. So i believed
absolutely that modern day Israel was part of God's plan....and to go
against modern Israel was to risk the wrath of God
That is unfortunate and denies the basic Christian belief that the
church is now the unique "people of God", as St Peter explicitly states
in 1 Peter 2:9, 10, where he quotes the promises given to Israel at its foundation in Exodus 19, and applies them to Christians "which in time
past were not a people, but are now the people of God."
As a young Christian in the 70s and 80s we were taught Christian
eschatology in the form of Christian Zionism. Being naive i believed the Church Authorities knew better than myself so i did not question it.I
did not even know that there were alternatives. So i believed absolutely that modern day Israel was part of God's plan....and to go against
modern Israel was to risk the wrath of God
Ge 12:3-a And I will bless them that bless thee, and curse him that
curseth thee: and in thee shall all families of the earth be blessed.#
Israel was always right and justified in what she did and for the rest
it was tough luck. For decades i believed in Israel right or wrong. Then finally i came across a book by one Hank Hannegraf(The Apocalypse Code) where he points out that there is more than one interpretation of
Christian prophecy. And that perhaps modern Israel is NOT the Israel of
the Bible, but just another modern secular political state. And that
indeed American Evangelical Christianity is in error......only God knows
and He aint saying!!!
I'm curious to know what happened to people outside Judaism prior to Christianity.-a If, as Peter states, they were not part of God's
salvation plan previously, did they just live and die and that was that?
Another interesting observation; prior to the spread of Christianity, Judaism was just a small religion based in the Middle East.-a It was
quite a coup, in my opinion, to expand belief in their God into a world
wide religion.
I still dont have a clue but now i have two books
On 16/03/2026 19:28, mick falconer wrote:
I still dont have a clue but now i have two books
How about you get a third (or even a fourth) book, ones which present
the opposite argument? If you only read books which agree with you, it's called "confirmation bias".
On 15/03/2026 12:26, mick falconer wrote:
As a young Christian in the 70s and 80s we were taught Christian
eschatology in the form of Christian Zionism. Being naive i believed
the Church Authorities knew better than myself so i did not question
it.I did not even know that there were alternatives. So i believed
absolutely that modern day Israel was part of God's plan....and to go
against modern Israel was to risk the wrath of God
That is unfortunate and denies the basic Christian belief that the
church is now the unique "people of God", as St Peter explicitly states
in 1 Peter 2:9, 10, where he quotes the promises given to Israel at its foundation in Exodus 19, and applies them to Christians "which in time
past were not a people, but are now the people of God."
It is certainly true that Old Testament prophets made predictions about Israel which have not been fulfilled - one thinks of Ezekiel, for
example - but that is covered by God's warning in Jeremiah 18:7-10,
where He makes it clear that His predictions are based on national
behaviour and can be revised and changed if nations alter their behaviour.
In addition, the book of Revelation takes Ezekiel's predictions and transposes them into a slightly different form. Those who blather on
about how "God cannot lie" and the promises must be fulfilled can, if
they will study their Bibles, see how the promises will indeed be
fulfilled, just with a twist to account for the fact that they are now
not applied to Israel but to the world-wide people of God.
If modern Israel was indeed a fulfilment of Bible prophecy, it is
axiomatic that it should be a nation of righteousness. In fact Israel
had appalling rates of atheism and immorality and only those who are wilfully blind can possibly claim that it is God's holy people.
God bless,
Kendall K. Down
On 16/03/2026 19:28, mick falconer wrote:
I still dont have a clue but now i have two books
How about you get a third (or even a fourth) book, ones which present
the opposite argument? If you only read books which agree with you, it's called "confirmation bias".
God bless,
Kendall K. Down
It might be worth checking out Monte Mader.-a She's an ex-Christian nationalist who I've been following for the last few months.-a Here she speaks about Zionism and it's dangers. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SqvnqVj4zy4
the books i have are from opposite ends of continuum.....one presentsThat is good. However as well as reading the books, also read the Bible
the view that indeed modern Israel is the Israel of the OT ....the other does not!!
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