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From Wikipedia:

"The World Day of Prayer is an international ecumenical Christian
laywomen's initiative. It is run under the motto "Informed Prayer
and Prayerful Action" and is celebrated annually in over 170
countries on the first Friday in March.rCY

Hopefully Christian denominations that currently do not ordain
women will soon start doing so.
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On 06/03/2026 03:18, David Dalton wrote:

"The World Day of Prayer is an international ecumenical Christian
laywomen's initiative. It is run under the motto "Informed Prayer
and Prayerful Action" and is celebrated annually in over 170
countries on the first Friday in March.rCY

Thank you for the reminder.

Hopefully Christian denominations that currently do not ordain
women will soon start doing so.

I don't regard the issue as of paramount importance.

God bless,
Kendall K. Down
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On 06/03/2026 03:18, David Dalton wrote:

From Wikipedia:

"The World Day of Prayer is an international ecumenical Christian
laywomen's initiative. It is run under the motto "Informed Prayer
and Prayerful Action" and is celebrated annually in over 170
countries on the first Friday in March.rCY

Hopefully Christian denominations that currently do not ordain
women will soon start doing so.

Unfortunately (IMO), most Christians worldwide are in groups that do not ordain women. Neither the Roman Catholics, nor the Orthodox groups
ordain women. So that is the vast majority of Christians. Of course, the
Day of Prayer is about praying for peace, justice and other shared
concerns. It is not primarily about church organisation.

That said, it could be argued that the practice of not offering
ordination to women treats them as being somehow "less" than men, and
could be seen as discriminatory.

For those holding that view (a view which I also hold, BTW), it will be
seen as 'Unjust', and in that respect, would be relevant to the World
Day of Prayer. The trouble is, of course, that as already said, the vast majority of Christians worldwide (and that of course includes Christian
women) are actually IN organisations that do not ordain women.

Personally, I am an Anglo-Catholic on the more 'liberal' side, that is, "Affirming Catholicism". An Inclusive Church organisation that supports
the full inclusion of women at all levels of ministry. It's worth
pointing out that our current Archbishop of Canterbury is indeed, a woman.

Tim.




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On 06/03/2026 07:55, Timreason wrote:

That said, it could be argued that the practice of not offering
ordination to women treats them as being somehow "less" than men, and
could be seen as discriminatory.

It could, but equally it might not be. I'm afraid that I disagree with
the mantra that a woman can do anything a man can (or v.v.) Biology is
clear, for example, that women can become pregnant but men cannot. Men
can have prostate cancer, women cannot.

There are other things where the difference is psychological rather than physiological. Despite hoo-ha from the feminist lobby, it is a fact that women's brains are wired differently. That does not make them inferior,
merely different - and difference should be celebrated, not denied.

The implications of the difference are not clear and will never become
clear so long as we try t deny that it exists. In broad terms my
understanding is that men are more coldly logical while women are more empathetic.

Assuming that that is so, what are the implications for priesthood and ministry? That could be an area for fruitful discussion, but we will
never engage in such discussion so long as we deny that there is any difference.

God bless,
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On 06/03/2026 05:41, Kendall K. Down wrote:

On 06/03/2026 03:18, David Dalton wrote:

"The World Day of Prayer is an international ecumenical Christian
laywomen's initiative. It is run under the motto "Informed Prayer
and Prayerful Action" and is celebrated annually in over 170
countries on the first Friday in March.rCY

Thank you for the reminder.

Hopefully Christian denominations that currently do not ordain
women will soon start doing so.

I don't regard the issue as of paramount importance.

Out of interest, does the SDA allow women Pastors?



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On 07/03/2026 10:40, John wrote:

Out of interest, does the SDA allow women Pastors?

The church is split over the issue. There are female pastors in most
Western countries, but any attempt to make their status official is
opposed by votes from the Third World (which is where the majority
membership lies).

I'm sorry to say that I have not been impressed by the female pastors I
have encountered. Perhaps I have just been unlucky.

God bless,
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On 08/03/2026 06:40, Kendall K. Down wrote:

On 07/03/2026 10:40, John wrote:

Out of interest, does the SDA allow women Pastors?

The church is split over the issue. There are female pastors in most
Western countries, but any attempt to make their status official is
opposed by votes from the Third World (which is where the majority membership lies).

Thanks

I'm sorry to say that I have not been impressed by the female pastors I
have encountered. Perhaps I have just been unlucky.

I've only been in one service led by a woman, which was a renewing of
vows for a friend's 40th wedding anniversary. It was CofE and there was
no noticeable difference.



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On 08/03/2026 17:09, John wrote:

I've only been in one service led by a woman, which was a renewing of
vows for a friend's 40th wedding anniversary.-a It was CofE and there was
no noticeable difference.

I suppose anyone can read a service out of a book. When it comes to
pastoral care and preaching, though, my experience has been that women ministers are decidedly lacking.

God bless,
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David Dalton wrote:

From Wikipedia:

"The World Day of Prayer is an international ecumenical Christian
laywomen's initiative. It is run under the motto "Informed Prayer
and Prayerful Action" and is celebrated annually in over 170
countries on the first Friday in March.rCY

Hopefully Christian denominations that currently do not ordain
women will soon start doing so.

-------------------------------------

Jesus was a man.





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On 14/03/2026 20:50, Feardul Amu wrote:

David Dalton wrote:

-aFrom Wikipedia:

"The World Day of Prayer is an international ecumenical Christian
laywomen's initiative. It is run under the motto "Informed Prayer
and Prayerful Action" and is celebrated annually in over 170
countries on the first Friday in March.rCY

Hopefully Christian denominations that currently do not ordain
women will soon start doing so.

-------------------------------------

Jesus was a man.

So?

Tim.




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On 14/03/2026 20:50, Feardul Amu wrote:

Jesus was a man.

I am sure we are all lost in admiration for your profundity and
erudition. How many sleepless nights of study did you expend before you
could reach this amazing conclusion?

More importantly, why did you share this fact with us? So what if Jesus
was a man? Why do we need to be informed of that? How does that fact
impinge on the matter to which you were - ostensibly - replying?

Or do you suffer from some disability that prevents you using more than
four words at a time? Four short words, I might point out. People here
are used to rather more scholarship and reasoned argument than you have
so far displayed. Some of us are familiar with words of three syllables
or more - one or two can even spell
"supercalifragilisticexpialidocious", though I think I am the only one
here who is at home with "Llanfairpwllgwyngyllgogerychwerndrobwllllantysyliogogogoch".

God bless,
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On 16/03/2026 04:45, Kendall K. Down wrote:

Or do you suffer from some disability that prevents you using more than
four words at a time? Four short words, I might point out. People here
are used to rather more scholarship and reasoned argument than you have
so far displayed. Some of us are familiar with words of three syllables
or more - one or two can even spell
"supercalifragilisticexpialidocious", though I think I am the only one
here who is at-a home with "Llanfairpwllgwyngyllgogerychwerndrobwllllantysyliogogogoch".

I'm reminded of the time me and my wife were visting a fast food outlet
next to the famous train station. My wife, keen to know it's
pronounciation, said to the server, "how do you pronounce this place?"
The server gave an exasperated sigh and said, very slowly, "Buurrrggerr Kiinngg"



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On 14/03/2026 20:50, Feardul Amu wrote:

David Dalton wrote:

-aFrom Wikipedia:

"The World Day of Prayer is an international ecumenical Christian
laywomen's initiative. It is run under the motto "Informed Prayer
and Prayerful Action" and is celebrated annually in over 170
countries on the first Friday in March.rCY

Hopefully Christian denominations that currently do not ordain
women will soon start doing so.

-------------------------------------

Jesus was a man.

He was indeed. Is this an argument that women shouldn't be allowed to
be Pastors or Priests? If so, can you expound on your statement and
explain why?



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John wrote:

On 14/03/2026 20:50, Feardul Amu wrote:

David Dalton wrote:

-aFrom Wikipedia:

"The World Day of Prayer is an international ecumenical Christian
laywomen's initiative. It is run under the motto "Informed Prayer
and Prayerful Action" and is celebrated annually in over 170
countries on the first Friday in March.rCY

Hopefully Christian denominations that currently do not ordain
women will soon start doing so.

-------------------------------------

Jesus was a man.

He was indeed.-a Is this an argument that women shouldn't be allowed to
be Pastors or Priests?-a If so, can you expound on your statement and explain why?

------------------------------------------

It's not that they 'shouldn't be allowed'
They can't be priests.

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On 16/03/2026 13:15, John wrote:

I'm reminded of the time me and my wife were visting a fast food outlet
next to the famous train station.-a My wife, keen to know it's pronounciation, said to the server, "how do you pronounce this place?"
The server gave an exasperated sigh and said, very slowly, "Buurrrggerr Kiinngg"

The old ones are always the best.

God bless,
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On 16/03/2026 20:52, Feardul Amu wrote:

It's not that they 'shouldn't be allowed'
They can't be priests.

Golly! We get more than four words out of our fearful friend.

Unfortunately, his lapse into prolixity reveals a rather serious
ignorance about Christianity.

1. Christianity does not have priests. In two of his letters St Paul
speaks of appointing "bishops" (episkopoi - over-lookers or, as we would
say today, overseers) and "elders" (presbuteroi - old men) to run the churches, but there is no mention of priests. Priests are required to
offer sacrifices, but Christians rely on the one true sacrifice which
can never be repeated. We rely on the one true High Priest, and need no
human priest.

2. But in any case, women are already "priests", for there is nothing in Scripture to indicate that the priesthood of all believers is restricted
by sex or race or class or any other factor. In whatever vague, general
way all Christian men are priests, so too are all Christian women.

God bless,
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On 16/03/2026 20:52, Feardul Amu wrote:

John wrote:

On 14/03/2026 20:50, Feardul Amu wrote:

David Dalton wrote:

-aFrom Wikipedia:

"The World Day of Prayer is an international ecumenical Christian
laywomen's initiative. It is run under the motto "Informed Prayer
and Prayerful Action" and is celebrated annually in over 170
countries on the first Friday in March.rCY

Hopefully Christian denominations that currently do not ordain
women will soon start doing so.

-------------------------------------

Jesus was a man.

He was indeed.-a Is this an argument that women shouldn't be allowed to
be Pastors or Priests?-a If so, can you expound on your statement and
explain why?

------------------------------------------

It's not that they 'shouldn't be allowed'
They can't be priests.

------------------------------------------

There seems to be no basis for that stance. Taken to its logical
conclusion, if (to be a priest) a person has to be 'like Jesus'
physically, then that person must not only be male, but also Jewish and
in their early 30s and presumably of the same skin colour Jesus would
have had.

In Genesis we are told that God made humankind in His Image. "Male and
female created He them." So both male and female are in God's Image.

It is not relevant to apply rules from the Old Covenant to this, since
we are under the New Covenant, and in that we are told, [Galatians 3:28] rCLThere is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither slave nor free, there
is neither male nor female: for you are all one in Christ Jesus.rCY

At the time, there were *cultural* factors that prevented women from
taking leadership positions. Those are no longer relevant today.

Tim.




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Kendall K. Down wrote:

On 16/03/2026 20:52, Feardul Amu wrote:

It's not that they 'shouldn't be allowed'
They can't be priests.

Golly! We get more than four words out of our fearful friend.

Unfortunately, his lapse into prolixity reveals a rather serious
ignorance about Christianity.

-------------------------------------

Of course I'm talking about christianity, and priests, within the
catholic faith, which I believe to be the one true faith.

Also, I'm not qualified to go into the matter too deeply, I can give
only my own opinions, for what they are worth.>

In one way Martha was the first priest, since she was the first to see
the risen Christ, and Jesus sent her to the apostles to tell them that
Jesus had risen from the dead.

A happy death to you all.



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On 17/03/2026 21:08, Feardul Amu wrote:

Of course I'm talking about christianity, and priests,-a within the
catholic faith, which I believe to be the one true faith.

That is a respectable position, of course. I disagree with you. The
Roman Catholic church has changed so much since the earliest days of Christianity that I find it impossible to regard it as the "one true
faith", for if it is, then all the early church fathers were guilty of
heresy.

Also, I'm not qualified to go into the matter too deeply, I can give
only my own opinions, for what they are worth.>

uk.r.c exists for people to discuss their opinions. Of course, you will
be asked to defend your opinions (and you are welcome to ask others to
defend their opinions).

In one way Martha was the first priest, since she was the first to see
the risen Christ, and Jesus sent her to the apostles to tell them that
Jesus had risen from the dead.

From where did you get this idea? The gospels are all clear that it was
Mary who first saw Jesus and who was told to take the news to the disciples.

A happy death to you all.

By your name I assume that you are not native English (it would be
interesting to know a bit about you, but that is mere curiosity and you
are under no obligation to answer anything). I believe that you are, in
fact, wishing us well, but to an English ear it sounds as though you are making a somewhat sinister threat!

God bless,
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On 17/03/2026 21:08, Feardul Amu wrote:

Of course I'm talking about christianity, and priests,-a within the
catholic faith, which I believe to be the one true faith.

I am an Anglo-Catholic. We would insist that we ARE Catholics, although
not *Roman* Catholics. (AIUI even the Church of Rome do refer to us as 'Separated Brethren'.)

We believe there are points in which both the RCC and the Orthodoxy are
'In error', and that Tradition is a Living Tradition that can evolve
with time and changing circumstances. Hence the Anglican "Three Leg
Stool" of Authority, 'Scripture, Tradition AND Reason'.

A quote (I forget from where):

rCLAnglicanism sees itself as part of the historic Catholic Church, maintaining apostolic faith and sacramental life, but without accepting
later Roman definitions as binding. Our catholicity is rooted in the
undivided Church of the first millennium.rCY

Also, I'm not qualified to go into the matter too deeply, I can give
only my own opinions, for what they are worth.>

Accepted. Sharing opinions is the function of this group, and hopefully
we can do so peaceably and respectfully here.

In one way Martha was the first priest, since she was the first to see
the risen Christ, and Jesus sent her to the apostles to tell them that
Jesus had risen from the dead.

An interesting thought.

A happy death to you all.

I thought the usual expression is "A good death". That may be peaceful,
rather than 'happy', although the two things are not exclusive.

Tim.




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On 16/03/2026 20:52, Feardul Amu wrote:

John wrote:

On 14/03/2026 20:50, Feardul Amu wrote:

David Dalton wrote:

-aFrom Wikipedia:

"The World Day of Prayer is an international ecumenical Christian
laywomen's initiative. It is run under the motto "Informed Prayer
and Prayerful Action" and is celebrated annually in over 170
countries on the first Friday in March.rCY

Hopefully Christian denominations that currently do not ordain
women will soon start doing so.

-------------------------------------

Jesus was a man.

He was indeed.-a Is this an argument that women shouldn't be allowed to
be Pastors or Priests?-a If so, can you expound on your statement and
explain why?

------------------------------------------

It's not that they 'shouldn't be allowed'
They can't be priests.

------------------------------------------

Ken's given a good response to this, but from what I can see, the early
church would have had a bishop to oversee the local church(es) and
deacons and elders to help run individual churches. Whilst it's true
that the bishop had to have only one wife (ergo be a man) you have to
remember that the times were very different, and the role of a woiman
was to be subservient. It is suggested however, that some of the
deacons and elders mentioned in the bible were women.



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Kendall K. Down wrote:

On 17/03/2026 21:08, Feardul Amu wrote:

A happy death to you all.

By your name I assume that you are not native English (it would be interesting to know a bit about you, but that is mere curiosity and you
are under no obligation to answer anything). I believe that you are, in fact, wishing us well, but to an English ear it sounds as though you are making a somewhat sinister threat!

God bless,
Kendall K. Down

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No threat involved.

Just meant in the deepest meaning of the phrase.





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Kendall K. Down wrote:

On 17/03/2026 21:08, Feardul Amu wrote:

In one way Martha was the first priest, since she was the first to see
the risen Christ, and Jesus sent her to the apostles to tell them that
Jesus had risen from the dead.

From where did you get this idea? The gospels are all clear that it was Mary who first saw Jesus and who was told to take the news to the
disciples.

--------------------------------------

Too true.

Sorry about the mistake.

14 When she had thus said, she turned herself back, and saw Jesus
standing; and she knew not that it was Jesus.
15 Jesus saith to her: Woman, why weepest thou? whom seekest thou? She, thinking it was the gardener, saith to him: Sir, if thou hast taken him
hence, tell me where thou hast laid him, and I will take him away.
16 Jesus saith to her: Mary. She turning, saith to him: Rabboni (which
is to say, Master).
17 Jesus saith to her: Do not touch me, for I am not yet ascended to my Father. But go to my brethren, and say to them: I ascend to my Father
and to your Father, to my God and your God.
18 Mary Magdalen cometh, and telleth the disciples: I have seen the
Lord, and these things he said to me.

Gospel of St John Ch 20.






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On 18/03/2026 20:02, Feardul Amu wrote:

Sorry about the mistake.

We all make typos and minor errors from time to time. You will find,
however, that there is a good deal of collective wisdom on uk.r.c and
errors tend to be pointed out in short order.

God bless,
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On 18/03/2026 08:08, Timreason wrote:

rCLAnglicanism sees itself as part of the historic Catholic Church, maintaining apostolic faith and sacramental life, but without accepting later Roman definitions as binding. Our catholicity is rooted in the undivided Church of the first millennium.rCY

Protestants generally hark back to the early church as the model we
should follow. However I think that the first millennium is being a bit generous. Even half a millennium is questionable. Many see Constantine's establishment of Christianity as the state religion as the point at
which the rot set in.

God bless,
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On 18/03/2026 12:20, John wrote:

Ken's given a good response to this, but from what I can see, the early church would have had a bishop to oversee the local church(es) and
deacons and elders to help run individual churches.-a Whilst it's true
that the bishop had to have only one wife (ergo be a man) you have to remember that the times were very different, and the role of a woiman
was to be subservient.-a It is suggested however, that some of the
deacons and elders mentioned in the bible were women.

It is arguable that not only were bishops restricted to one wife, but episopacy was retricted to those who had that one wife. A man without a
wife could not be a bishop or even an elder.

A significant pointon which the modern Roman Catholic church is in
error. I trust Mr Amu will take note.

God bless,
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Feardul Amu wrote:

John wrote:

On 14/03/2026 20:50, Feardul Amu wrote:

David Dalton wrote:

-aFrom Wikipedia:

"The World Day of Prayer is an international ecumenical Christian
laywomen's initiative. It is run under the motto "Informed Prayer
and Prayerful Action" and is celebrated annually in over 170
countries on the first Friday in March.rCY

Hopefully Christian denominations that currently do not ordain
women will soon start doing so.

-------------------------------------

Jesus was a man.

He was indeed.-a Is this an argument that women shouldn't be allowed to
be Pastors or Priests?-a If so, can you expound on your statement and
explain why?

------------------------------------------

In the catholic faith, the priest acts in the person of Christ, who is a
man.

FA



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On 07/04/2026 15:04, Feardul Amu wrote:

In the catholic faith, the priest acts in the person of Christ, who is a man.

Yes, I know that in the Roman faith the priests arrogate to themselves a status which is not supported by Scripture. That is one reason - among
many - why many of us regard the Roman faith as a heresy in the
Christian tradition rather than a representation of authentic Christianity.

God bless,
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