• Talmud and the Crucifixion

    From Kendall K. Down@kendallkdown@googlemail.com to uk.religion.christian on Tue Jan 27 18:08:36 2026
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    Just browsing in YouTube I came across this film: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V0RzUYccKWI and watched it. It is worth
    your trouble to do so as well - it's only 7.21 minutes long.

    However I never accept anything said on YouTube, especially if it is
    something I have not heard before, so I promptly looked up the
    references to the Talmud and to my surprise and delight, the chap is
    actually telling the truth!

    ============
    Our Rabbis taught: During the last forty years before the destruction of
    the Temple the lot [rCyFor the LordrCO] did not come up in the right hand;
    nor did the crimson-coloured strap become white; nor did the westernmost
    light shine; and the doors of the Hekal would open by themselves, until
    R. Johanan b. Zakkai rebuked them, saying: Hekal, Hekal, why wilt thou
    be the alarmer thyself? I know about thee that thou wilt be destroyed,
    for Zechariah ben Ido has already prophesied concerning thee: Open thy
    doors, O Lebanon, that the fire may devour thy cedars. R. Isaac b.
    Tablai said: Why is its8 name called Lebanon? Because it makes white the
    sins of Israel.
    Talmud, Seder Moed, Tractate Yoma 39b
    https://halakhah.com/pdf/moed/Yoma.pdf


    rCyR. Nahman b. Isaac said it was the tongue of scarletrCO, as it has been taught: rCyOriginally they used to fasten the thread of scarlet on the
    door of the [Temple] court on the outside[28]. If it turned white the
    people used to rejoice[29], and if it did not turn white they were sad.
    They therefore made a rule that it should be fastened to the door of the
    court on the inside. People, however, still peeped in and saw, and if it turned white they rejoiced and if it did not turn white they were sad.
    They therefore made a rule that half of it should be fastened to the
    rock and half between the horns of the goat that was sent [to the wilderness]rCO. Why did not R. Nahman b. Isaac accept the view of R. Papa?
    rCo He could reply: If you assume that it was R. Johanan b. Zaccai [who
    made the rule about the vine], was he the colleague of R. Eliezer? He
    was his teacher! [What replies] the other [to this]? rCo Since they were
    his disciples [who reported the rule to him], it was not polite of them
    to say to their teacher, rCyyour teacherrCO. Why did not R. Papa accept the view of R. Nahman b. Isaac? rCo He could reply: If you assume It was R. Johanan b. Zaccai [who made the rule], was there in the days of R.
    Johanan b. Zaccai a thread of scarlet [which turned white]? Has it not
    been taught: rCyR. Johanan b. Zaccai lived altogether a hundred and twenty years. For forty years he was in business, forty years he studied, and
    forty years he taughtrCO, and it has further been taught: rCyFor forty years before the destruction of the Temple the thread of scarlet never turned
    white but it remained redrCO.
    Talmud, Seder Moed, Tractate Rosh HaShanah 31b https://halakhah.com/pdf/moed/Rosh_HaShanah.pdf
    ============

    The temple was destroyed in AD 70. Forty years before that takes you to
    AD 30, which is believed to be the year Jesus was crucified. The film
    will tell you the implications of this fact.

    God bless,
    Kendall K. Down
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  • From mick falconer@hermeneutika@msn.cpm to uk.religion.christian on Fri Jan 30 20:08:25 2026
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    On 27/01/2026 18:08, Kendall K. Down wrote:
    Just browsing in YouTube I came across this film: https:// www.youtube.com/watch?v=V0RzUYccKWI and watched it. It is worth your
    trouble to do so as well - it's only 7.21 minutes long.

    However I never accept anything said on YouTube, especially if it is something I have not heard before, so I promptly looked up the
    references to the Talmud and to my surprise and delight, the chap is actually telling the truth!

    ============
    Our Rabbis taught: During the last forty years before the destruction of
    the Temple the lot [rCyFor the LordrCO] did not come up in the right hand; nor did the crimson-coloured strap become white; nor did the westernmost light shine; and the doors of the Hekal would open by themselves, until
    R. Johanan b. Zakkai rebuked them, saying: Hekal, Hekal, why wilt thou
    be the alarmer thyself? I know about thee that thou wilt be destroyed,
    for Zechariah ben Ido has already prophesied concerning thee: Open thy doors, O Lebanon, that the fire may devour thy cedars. R. Isaac b.
    Tablai said: Why is its8 name called Lebanon? Because it makes white the sins of Israel.
    Talmud, Seder Moed, Tractate Yoma 39b
    https://halakhah.com/pdf/moed/Yoma.pdf


    rCyR. Nahman b. Isaac said it was the tongue of scarletrCO, as it has been taught: rCyOriginally they used to fasten the thread of scarlet on the
    door of the [Temple] court on the outside[28]. If it turned white the
    people used to rejoice[29], and if it did not turn white they were sad.
    They therefore made a rule that it should be fastened to the door of the court on the inside. People, however, still peeped in and saw, and if it turned white they rejoiced and if it did not turn white they were sad.
    They therefore made a rule that half of it should be fastened to the
    rock and half between the horns of the goat that was sent [to the wilderness]rCO. Why did not R. Nahman b. Isaac accept the view of R. Papa? rCo He could reply: If you assume that it was R. Johanan b. Zaccai [who
    made the rule about the vine], was he the colleague of R. Eliezer? He
    was his teacher! [What replies] the other [to this]? rCo Since they were
    his disciples [who reported the rule to him], it was not polite of them
    to say to their teacher, rCyyour teacherrCO. Why did not R. Papa accept the view of R. Nahman b. Isaac? rCo He could reply: If you assume It was R. Johanan b. Zaccai [who made the rule], was there in the days of R.
    Johanan b. Zaccai a thread of scarlet [which turned white]? Has it not
    been taught: rCyR. Johanan b. Zaccai lived altogether a hundred and twenty years. For forty years he was in business, forty years he studied, and
    forty years he taughtrCO, and it has further been taught: rCyFor forty years before the destruction of the Temple the thread of scarlet never turned white but it remained redrCO.
    Talmud, Seder Moed, Tractate Rosh HaShanah 31b https://halakhah.com/pdf/moed/Rosh_HaShanah.pdf
    ============

    The temple was destroyed in AD 70. Forty years before that takes you to
    AD 30, which is believed to be the year Jesus was crucified. The film
    will tell you the implications of this fact.

    God bless,
    Kendall K. Down



    Very interesting video.....



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  • From Kendall K. Down@kendallkdown@googlemail.com to uk.religion.christian on Sun Feb 1 06:12:53 2026
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    On 30/01/2026 20:08, mick falconer wrote:

    Very interesting video.....

    I thought so too. I would be interested in any comments GB might care to
    make.

    God bless,
    Kendall K. Down
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