• God,democracy and the rule of law?

    From hermeneutika@hermeneutika@msn.com to uk.religion.christian on Sun Jan 25 11:38:27 2026
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    IF in the most recent American elections the majority voted for a
    Republican administration, and allegedly or apparently a very large
    majority. And this administration also stood on a anti illegal
    immigration ticket......

    Also allegedly or apparently in the state of Minnesota the Republican
    Federal authorities have discovered massive welfare fraud to the tune of billions of dollars. And also the Governor and Mayor of Minnesota and Minneapolis have also been given a subpeana.

    if the above two points are valid and true then surely the Federal
    government has the absolute right to apply the law in Minneapolis?

    Or are indeed the current American administration a bunch of reckless
    hoodlums and thugs?

    What would Jesus do?


    Luke 19:27 rCyBut bring here those enemies of mine, who did not want me
    to reign over them, and slay [them] before me.rCOrCY

    Mt 12:7 But if ye had known what [this] meaneth, I will have mercy, and
    not sacrifice, ye would not have condemned the guiltless.



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  • From Kendall K. Down@kendallkdown@googlemail.com to uk.religion.christian on Mon Jan 26 06:20:54 2026
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    On 25/01/2026 11:38, hermeneutika wrote:

    What would Jesus do?

    It is notable that Jesus had nothing whatsoever to say about political questions. He did not condemn the Roman occupation of Palestine or urge
    His followers to resist the sometimes unjust actions of the Romans.

    Indeed, His only comments that *might* have a bearing are broadly
    supportive. "If anyone compel thee to go one mile, go twain" is probably
    a reference to the Roman law which allowed a soldier to force a civilian
    to carry his pack for a mile. And when the Pharisees challenged Jesus
    over Roman taxes, Jesus' reply was "Render under Caesar ..."

    God bless,
    Kendall K. Down
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  • From Timreason@timreason@hotmail.co.uk to uk.religion.christian on Mon Jan 26 07:42:55 2026
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    On 25/01/2026 11:38, hermeneutika wrote:
    IF in the most recent American elections the majority voted for a
    Republican administration, and allegedly or apparently a very large majority. And this administration also stood on a anti illegal
    immigration ticket......

    Also allegedly or apparently in the state of Minnesota the Republican Federal authorities have discovered massive welfare fraud to the tune of billions of dollars. And also the Governor and Mayor of Minnesota and Minneapolis have also been given a subpeana.

    if the above two points are valid and true then surely the Federal government has the absolute right to apply the law in Minneapolis?

    Or are indeed the current American administration a bunch of reckless hoodlums and thugs?


    The latter.

    Tim.




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  • From GB@NOTsomeone@microsoft.invalid to uk.religion.christian on Mon Jan 26 14:14:36 2026
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    On 26/01/2026 07:42, Timreason wrote:
    On 25/01/2026 11:38, hermeneutika wrote:
    IF in the most recent American elections the majority voted for a
    Republican administration, and allegedly or apparently a very large
    majority. And this administration also stood on a anti illegal
    immigration ticket......

    Also allegedly or apparently in the state of Minnesota the Republican
    Federal authorities have discovered massive welfare fraud to the tune
    of billions of dollars. And also the Governor and Mayor of Minnesota
    and Minneapolis have also been given a subpeana.

    if the above two points are valid and true then surely the Federal
    government has the absolute right to apply the law in Minneapolis?

    Or are indeed the current American administration a bunch of reckless
    hoodlums and thugs?


    The latter.

    There's a middle ground. The government was elected with a mandate, but
    maybe the electorate was not expecting it to be carried out with such
    zeal and cruelty. It reminds me a bit of Nazi Germany.





    Tim.








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  • From Timreason@timreason@hotmail.co.uk to uk.religion.christian on Tue Jan 27 07:37:30 2026
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    On 26/01/2026 14:14, GB wrote:
    On 26/01/2026 07:42, Timreason wrote:
    On 25/01/2026 11:38, hermeneutika wrote:


    Or are indeed the current American administration a bunch of reckless
    hoodlums and thugs?


    The latter.

    There's a middle ground. The government was elected with a mandate, but maybe the electorate was not expecting it to be carried out with such
    zeal and cruelty.-a It reminds me a bit of Nazi Germany.


    Yes, indeed. My personal view is that history is repeating. Apparently
    no-one believed a modern 20th Century 'civilised' country such as
    Germany could ever commit such atrocities. I think no-one in the USA
    thought they were vulnerable to a similar regime arising there, in the
    21st Century. But sadly I fear that is what is happening.

    I don't think their president will ever willingly submit to an election
    at the end of his term.

    Tim.




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  • From Kendall K. Down@kendallkdown@googlemail.com to uk.religion.christian on Tue Jan 27 07:47:42 2026
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    On 27/01/2026 07:37, Timreason wrote:

    I don't think their president will ever willingly submit to an election
    at the end of his term.

    It will be interesting to see if their famed constitution can stand up
    to Trump's shennanigans.

    God bless,
    Kendall K. Down
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  • From mick falconer@hermeneutika@msn.cpm to uk.religion.christian on Fri Jan 30 19:58:41 2026
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    On 26/01/2026 06:20, Kendall K. Down wrote:
    On 25/01/2026 11:38, hermeneutika wrote:

    What would Jesus do?

    It is notable that Jesus had nothing whatsoever to say about political questions. He did not condemn the Roman occupation of Palestine or urge
    His followers to resist the sometimes unjust actions of the Romans.

    Indeed, His only comments that *might* have a bearing are broadly supportive. "If anyone compel thee to go one mile, go twain" is probably
    a reference to the Roman law which allowed a soldier to force a civilian
    to carry his pack for a mile. And when the Pharisees challenged Jesus
    over Roman taxes, Jesus' reply was "Render under Caesar ..."

    God bless,
    Kendall K. Down


    Cheers a great point thank you



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  • From John@megane.06@gmail.com to uk.religion.christian on Sun Feb 1 21:55:20 2026
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    On 25/01/2026 11:38, hermeneutika wrote:
    IF in the most recent American elections the majority voted for a
    Republican administration, and allegedly or apparently a very large majority. And this administration also stood on a anti illegal
    immigration ticket......

    Also allegedly or apparently in the state of Minnesota the Republican Federal authorities have discovered massive welfare fraud to the tune of billions of dollars. And also the Governor and Mayor of Minnesota and Minneapolis have also been given a subpeana.

    if the above two points are valid and true then surely the Federal government has the absolute right to apply the law in Minneapolis?

    Applying the law is one thing, flooding a city with 2 to 3000 masked
    men carrying guns, insufficiently trained, is another. These ICE agents
    are running amok in the streets, using sheer force, attacking protesters
    and on two occasions, actually killing them. They are going into homes without warrants (sometimes using ICE warrants, which aren't sufficient
    to enter someones property) and arresting people om a whim.

    Or are indeed the current American administration a bunch of reckless hoodlums and thugs?

    They are sock puppets to a narcisstic President who is acting more like
    a disctator every day.


    Luke 19:27-a rCyBut bring here those enemies of mine, who did not want me
    to reign over them, and slay [them] before me.rCOrCY

    Jesus is telling a parable, it doesn't represent Jesus or God.








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  • From John@megane.06@gmail.com to uk.religion.christian on Sun Feb 1 22:13:24 2026
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    On 26/01/2026 14:14, GB wrote:
    On 26/01/2026 07:42, Timreason wrote:
    On 25/01/2026 11:38, hermeneutika wrote:
    IF in the most recent American elections the majority voted for a
    Republican administration, and allegedly or apparently a very large
    majority. And this administration also stood on a anti illegal
    immigration ticket......

    Also allegedly or apparently in the state of Minnesota the Republican
    Federal authorities have discovered massive welfare fraud to the tune
    of billions of dollars. And also the Governor and Mayor of Minnesota
    and Minneapolis have also been given a subpeana.

    if the above two points are valid and true then surely the Federal
    government has the absolute right to apply the law in Minneapolis?

    Or are indeed the current American administration a bunch of reckless
    hoodlums and thugs?


    The latter.

    There's a middle ground. The government was elected with a mandate, but maybe the electorate was not expecting it to be carried out with such
    zeal and cruelty.-a It reminds me a bit of Nazi Germany.

    Me too, and I'm surprised how easy it has been for DJT to get away with
    his actions. I'm hoping that with the killing of Alex Pretti is a
    turning point and that more Republicans can see the harm that's occurring.



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  • From John@megane.06@gmail.com to uk.religion.christian on Sun Feb 1 22:15:51 2026
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    On 27/01/2026 07:37, Timreason wrote:

    I don't think their president will ever willingly submit to an election
    at the end of his term.

    The 2026 mid terms will be interesting, but I wouldn't be surprised if something bad happened to prevent them taking place.

    If they do go ahead I think DJT will be left with a very bloody nose (figuratively)



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  • From John@megane.06@gmail.com to uk.religion.christian on Sun Feb 1 22:17:53 2026
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    On 27/01/2026 07:47, Kendall K. Down wrote:
    On 27/01/2026 07:37, Timreason wrote:

    I don't think their president will ever willingly submit to an
    election at the end of his term.

    It will be interesting to see if their famed constitution can stand up
    to Trump's shennanigans.

    It's failing at the moment but I certainly hope the tide turns and it's upheld.



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  • From Kendall K. Down@kendallkdown@googlemail.com to uk.religion.christian on Mon Feb 2 06:02:51 2026
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    On 01/02/2026 22:17, John wrote:

    It's failing at the moment but I certainly hope the tide turns and it's upheld.
    Me to. The only good thing is that Trump is a good deal older than
    Hitler and his diet and lifestyle promise to do what the constitution
    may fail to do!

    God bless,
    Kendall K. Down
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  • From GB@NOTsomeone@microsoft.invalid to uk.religion.christian on Wed Feb 4 19:27:00 2026
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    On 02/02/2026 06:02, Kendall K. Down wrote:
    On 01/02/2026 22:17, John wrote:

    It's failing at the moment but I certainly hope the tide turns and
    it's upheld.
    Me to. The only good thing is that Trump is a good deal older than
    Hitler and his diet and lifestyle promise to do what the constitution
    may fail to do!

    Would Vance be a lot better?


    God bless,
    Kendall K. Down





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  • From Kendall K. Down@kendallkdown@googlemail.com to uk.religion.christian on Wed Feb 4 21:11:57 2026
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    On 04/02/2026 19:27, GB wrote:

    Would Vance be a lot better?

    A fair point.

    God bless,
    Kendall K. Down
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  • From John@megane.06@gmail.com to uk.religion.christian on Thu Feb 5 12:22:36 2026
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    On 04/02/2026 19:27, GB wrote:
    On 02/02/2026 06:02, Kendall K. Down wrote:
    On 01/02/2026 22:17, John wrote:

    It's failing at the moment but I certainly hope the tide turns and
    it's upheld.
    Me to. The only good thing is that Trump is a good deal older than
    Hitler and his diet and lifestyle promise to do what the constitution
    may fail to do!

    Would Vance be a lot better?

    I would like to think anything would be an improvement on Donald, but
    sadly he probably wouldn't be much better. I saw a clip this morning
    where JD did an interview with the Daily Mail, and he was asked if he
    wanted to apologise to the family of Alex Pretti for retweeting he was
    an assassin (1) and he said apologise for what? The interviewer pushed
    him further and said, if the enquiry found that Alex's constitutional
    rights had been violated would he apologise, and he just spouted on
    about hypotheticals.





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