Yesterday on a whim we decided to go to James May's pub for lunch. A tad
far for us but it was a nice drive.
Fantastic little unpretentious pub down a narrow lane to a chocolatebox village. Brilliant nosh way above pub-grub standard and really not that expensive. Pretty quiet considering it's school holidays and nice weather.
Coincidentally, today, we had reason to go not that far away from
Clarkson's farm and pub.
Both of them were an absolute zoo, massive car parks, road signs all
over the place to direct traffic etc. to cope with the crowds. We didn't even bother stopping.
Simon Wilson <simowilso+newsdemon@nodamnspamn.gmail.com> wrote:
Yesterday on a whim we decided to go to James May's pub for lunch. A tad
far for us but it was a nice drive.
Fantastic little unpretentious pub down a narrow lane to a chocolatebox
village. Brilliant nosh way above pub-grub standard and really not that
expensive. Pretty quiet considering it's school holidays and nice weather. >>
Coincidentally, today, we had reason to go not that far away from
Clarkson's farm and pub.
Both of them were an absolute zoo, massive car parks, road signs all
over the place to direct traffic etc. to cope with the crowds. We didn't
even bother stopping.
"Kinda what I would imagine", says P.
Yesterday on a whim we decided to go to James May's pub for lunch. A tad
far for us but it was a nice drive.
Fantastic little unpretentious pub down a narrow lane to a chocolatebox >village. Brilliant nosh way above pub-grub standard and really not that >expensive. Pretty quiet considering it's school holidays and nice weather.
Coincidentally, today, we had reason to go not that far away from
Clarkson's farm and pub.
Both of them were an absolute zoo, massive car parks, road signs all
over the place to direct traffic etc. to cope with the crowds. We didn't >even bother stopping.
One of our few decent pubs closed last week.
On 29/05/2026 09:47, Pete Fisher wrote:
One of our few decent pubs closed last week.
2 per day across the UK apparently.
--
/Simon
Bloody shame really, but I really feel it down to the Brewery or actual landlord. The rents are far too high to start with, that makes the front tenant/landlord, have to have prices to make ends meet.
In reply to "Simon Wilson" who wrote the following:
On 29/05/2026 09:47, Pete Fisher wrote:
One of our few decent pubs closed last week.
2 per day across the UK apparently.
--
/Simon
Bloody shame really, but I really feel it down to the Brewery or actual >landlord. The rents are far too high to start with, that makes the front >tenant/landlord, have to have prices to make ends meet.
Wetherspoons proove that pubs can be run cheaply, and at a good profit, if you
are the freeholder.
Still, I reckon the trad pub, as we have known it, is a dying animal. >Greybeard
On 29/05/2026 22:08, Greybeard wrote:
Bloody shame really, but I really feel it down to the Brewery or actual
landlord. The rents are far too high to start with, that makes the front
tenant/landlord, have to have prices to make ends meet.
Localish pub shut down last year. The brewery are now marketing it as
being available for a Leaseholder. -u988 a week. A similar domestic
property rented out would be ~-u1000 a month.
That means a new Tenant would have to take in around -u3k/wk to break
even, in what was never a busy place. There is no business case at all
to reopen it as a pub.
In a similar vein, a local forest cafe has shut. No profit to be had.
Rent wasnt too much of an issue at -u100/week. Staff, other costs, and
lack of footfall have killed it. Less people using it in the week, busy
on a nice day, but dead when there is rain, it's very difficult trying
to stay open when you're earning -u100 a week.
It's a shame, but people are just not going out, less money going into hospitality, hence places are shutting.
Still, I reckon the trad pub, as we have known it, is a dying animal.
On 29/05/2026 22:08 Greybeard penned these words:
Still, I reckon the trad pub, as we have known it, is a dying animal.
I certainly do not frequent that much unless on holiday or day out -u7
odd a pint +/- a bit depending add on a meal at -u25 minimum and it is
not a common occurrence.
boots <news@millhouse-communications.co.uk> wrote in news:10vep28$pq9s$1@bilbo.eternal-september.org:
On 29/05/2026 22:08 Greybeard penned these words:
Still, I reckon the trad pub, as we have known it, is a dying animal.
I certainly do not frequent that much unless on holiday or day out -#-a7
odd a pint +/- a bit depending add on a meal at -#-a25 minimum and it is
not a common occurrence.
fortunately, in Welshpool, we still have -a4 pints for cask bitter. Average
We also have a crap Marstons McPub by the retail park that is likely to be vacated when their lease ends next year.
On 30/05/2026 16:19, wessie wrote:
boots <news@millhouse-communications.co.uk> wrote in
news:10vep28$pq9s$1@bilbo.eternal-september.org:
On 29/05/2026 22:08 Greybeard penned these words:
Still, I reckon the trad pub, as we have known it, is a dying
animal.
I certainly do not frequent that much unless on holiday or day out
-#-a7 odd a pint +/- a bit depending add on a meal at -#-a25 minimum
and it is not a common occurrence.
fortunately, in Welshpool, we still have -a4 pints for cask bitter.
Average
about -u4.50 here
We also have a crap Marstons McPub by the retail park that is likely
to be vacated when their lease ends next year.
I remember when Marstons was a good beer
fortunately, in Welshpool, we still have -a4 pints for cask bitter.
On 30/05/2026 16:19 wessie penned these words:
fortunately, in Welshpool, we still have -a4 pints for cask bitter.
I think I need to <shudder> frequent a Wetherspoons to get close to that. I did
work out from when I first nipped into the pub if pints had matched inflation it
would be about -u1.70 seeing as I could buy a pint for 14p in 1973.
On 30/05/2026 16:19 wessie penned these words:
fortunately, in Welshpool, we still have -a4 pints for cask bitter.
I think I need to <shudder> frequent a Wetherspoons to get close to that. I did
work out from when I first nipped into the pub if pints had matched inflation it
would be about -u1.70 seeing as I could buy a pint for 14p in 1973.
YTC1 <ytc1@ytc1.co.uk> wrote in news:10vevb3$u6hk$1@dont-email.me:
On 30/05/2026 16:19, wessie wrote:
boots <news@millhouse-communications.co.uk> wrote in
news:10vep28$pq9s$1@bilbo.eternal-september.org:
On 29/05/2026 22:08 Greybeard penned these words:
Still, I reckon the trad pub, as we have known it, is a dying
animal.
I certainly do not frequent that much unless on holiday or day out
-#-a7 odd a pint +/- a bit depending add on a meal at -#-a25 minimum
and it is not a common occurrence.
fortunately, in Welshpool, we still have -a4 pints for cask bitter.
Average
about -u4.50 here
We also have a crap Marstons McPub by the retail park that is likely
to be vacated when their lease ends next year.
I remember when Marstons was a good beer
I have fond memories of Marstons. We had one of their pubs in Ross on
Wye and it was one of the two in the town with real ale in the 1980s.
Both sold Pedigree.
I will drink Pedigree[1] if no other option but tend to avoid it if
possible as now part of Carlsberg. My favourite local only buy stiff
from independent breweries. Yesterday lunchtime I was drinking a beer
from Oswestry's Stonehouse brewery, 15 miles away. The other pub has Wye Valley ales from near Hereford.
[1] it remains drinkable but they stopped using the traditional Burton
On 30/05/2026 16:19 wessie penned these words:
fortunately, in Welshpool, we still have -a4 pints for cask bitter.
I think I need to <shudder> frequent a Wetherspoons to get close to
that. I did work out from when I first nipped into the pub if pints
had matched inflation it would be about -u1.70 seeing as I could buy a
pint for 14p in 1973.
On 30/5/26 17:54, boots wrote:
On 30/05/2026 16:19 wessie penned these words:
fortunately, in Welshpool, we still have -a4 pints for cask bitter.
I think I need to <shudder> frequent a Wetherspoons to get close to
that. I did work out from when I first nipped into the pub if pints
had matched inflation it would be about -u1.70 seeing as I could buy a
pint for 14p in 1973.
17p in 1976.
On 30/05/2026 16:45, wessie wrote:
I have fond memories of Marstons. We had one of their pubs in Ross on
Wye and it was one of the two in the town with real ale in the 1980s.
Both sold Pedigree.
I was a Merry Monk fan (Pretty sure that was Marstons)
Top tip: The best one is usually next to the church.
boots <news@millhouse-communications.co.uk> wrote in news:10vf16p$pq9s$2@bilbo.eternal-september.org:My local (not spoons) as in closest to home is an easy walk but frankly it pretty meh. There's a spoons 2 miles away but no idea what it is like there's a nice pub a bit nearer but as I say it is rare I go out for a beer.
On 30/05/2026 16:19 wessie penned these words:
fortunately, in Welshpool, we still have -irCy4 pints for cask bitter.
I think I need to <shudder> frequent a Wetherspoons to get close to
that. I did work out from when I first nipped into the pub if pints
had matched inflation it would be about -A-e1.70 seeing as I could buy a
pint for 14p in 1973.
no 'spoons here so our better locals sell enough volume to survive on -e4 for the lower gravity cooking bitter.
nearest 'spoons are in Newtown and Oswestry, about the same distance away.
I don't think the independent sector is doing too well in those larger towns. They have many more younger people accessing colleges who are not
big drinkers. We are very much an older demographic in Welshpool with most pubgoers being boomers and young farmers.
On 30/05/2026 17:36 wessie penned these words:
boots <news@millhouse-communications.co.uk> wrote inMy local (not spoons) as in closest to home is an easy walk but
news:10vf16p$pq9s$2@bilbo.eternal-september.org:
On 30/05/2026 16:19 wessie penned these words:
fortunately, in Welshpool, we still have -irCy4 pints for cask
bitter.
I think I need to <shudder> frequent a Wetherspoons to get close to
that. I did work out from when I first nipped into the pub if pints
had matched inflation it would be about -A-e1.70 seeing as I could
buy a pint for 14p in 1973.
no 'spoons here so our better locals sell enough volume to survive on
-e4 for the lower gravity cooking bitter.
nearest 'spoons are in Newtown and Oswestry, about the same distance
away. I don't think the independent sector is doing too well in those
larger towns. They have many more younger people accessing colleges
who are not big drinkers. We are very much an older demographic in
Welshpool with most pubgoers being boomers and young farmers.
frankly it pretty meh. There's a spoons 2 miles away but no idea what
it is like there's a nice pub a bit nearer but as I say it is rare I
go out for a beer.
On Sat, 30 May 2026 09:23:18 -0000 (UTC), geoffC <me@home.nl> wrote:
Top tip: The best one is usually next to the church.
Why, that's just like Wisconsin!
boots <news@millhouse-communications.co.uk> wrote in news:10vf16p$pq9s$2@bilbo.eternal-september.org:
On 30/05/2026 16:19 wessie penned these words:
fortunately, in Welshpool, we still have -irCy4 pints for cask bitter.
I think I need to <shudder> frequent a Wetherspoons to get close to
that. I did work out from when I first nipped into the pub if pints
had matched inflation it would be about -A-e1.70 seeing as I could buy a
pint for 14p in 1973.
no 'spoons here so our better locals sell enough volume to survive on -e4
for the lower gravity cooking bitter.
nearest 'spoons are in Newtown and Oswestry, about the same distance away.
I don't think the independent sector is doing too well in those largerWell, now with the gout as an older drinker I will have to drink less
towns. They have many more younger people accessing colleges who are not
big drinkers. We are very much an older demographic in Welshpool with most
pubgoers being boomers and young farmers.--
On 30/05/2026 17:36 wessie penned these words:
boots <news@millhouse-communications.co.uk> wrote inMy local (not spoons) as in closest to home is an easy walk but frankly it pretty meh. There's a spoons 2 miles away but no idea what it is like there's a
news:10vf16p$pq9s$2@bilbo.eternal-september.org:
On 30/05/2026 16:19 wessie penned these words:
fortunately, in Welshpool, we still have -irCy4 pints for cask bitter.
I think I need to <shudder> frequent a Wetherspoons to get close to
that. I did work out from when I first nipped into the pub if pints
had matched inflation it would be about -A-e1.70 seeing as I could buy a >>> pint for 14p in 1973.
no 'spoons here so our better locals sell enough volume to survive on -e4
for the lower gravity cooking bitter.
nearest 'spoons are in Newtown and Oswestry, about the same distance away. >> I don't think the independent sector is doing too well in those larger
towns. They have many more younger people accessing colleges who are not
big drinkers. We are very much an older demographic in Welshpool with most >> pubgoers being boomers and young farmers.
nice pub a bit nearer but as I say it is rare I go out for a beer.
YTC1 <ytc1@ytc1.co.uk> wrote in news:10vf3k8$vdl6$3@dont-email.me:
On 30/05/2026 16:45, wessie wrote:
I have fond memories of Marstons. We had one of their pubs in Ross on
Wye and it was one of the two in the town with real ale in the 1980s.
Both sold Pedigree.
I was a Merry Monk fan (Pretty sure that was Marstons)
[search]
Merrie Monk, their dark mild. We never saw that in Ross depsite Whitbread
I think it just evolved that way.
boots <news@millhouse-communications.co.uk> wrote in news:10vf16p$pq9s$2@bilbo.eternal-september.org:
On 30/05/2026 16:19 wessie penned these words:
fortunately, in Welshpool, we still have -irCy4 pints for cask bitter.
I think I need to <shudder> frequent a Wetherspoons to get close to
that. I did work out from when I first nipped into the pub if pints
had matched inflation it would be about -A-e1.70 seeing as I could buy a
pint for 14p in 1973.
no 'spoons here so our better locals sell enough volume to survive on -e4
for the lower gravity cooking bitter.
nearest 'spoons are in Newtown and Oswestry, about the same distance away.
I don't think the independent sector is doing too well in those larger
towns. They have many more younger people accessing colleges who are not
big drinkers. We are very much an older demographic in Welshpool with most pubgoers being boomers and young farmers.
On 30/05/2026 17:36, wessie wrote:
boots <news@millhouse-communications.co.uk> wrote in
news:10vf16p$pq9s$2@bilbo.eternal-september.org:
On 30/05/2026 16:19 wessie penned these words:
fortunately, in Welshpool, we still have -irCy4 pints for cask bitter.
I think I need to <shudder> frequent a Wetherspoons to get close to
that. I did work out from when I first nipped into the pub if pints
had matched inflation it would be about -A-e1.70 seeing as I could buy a >>> pint for 14p in 1973.
no 'spoons here so our better locals sell enough volume to survive on -e4
for the lower gravity cooking bitter.
nearest 'spoons are in Newtown and Oswestry, about the same distance
away.
I don't think the independent sector is doing too well in those larger
towns. They have many more younger people accessing colleges who are not
big drinkers. We are very much an older demographic in Welshpool with
most
pubgoers being boomers and young farmers.
We have the 'Moon Under Water' spoons in town for the daytime topers.
Bucking the trend, a local pub that has been closed since 2018 is due to reopen. Twice the purchaser tried to get planning permission to convert
it in to a swanky house, but it was refused. On a prominent corner next
to a church, so some passing trade in theory. I suspect it may become a
desi pub, though with the excellent Malabar restaurant an equal walking
We have the 'Moon Under Water' spoons in town for the daytime topers.Do you live in Wigan?
On 01/06/2026 07:26, Peter Fisher wrote:
On 30/05/2026 17:36, wessie wrote:
boots <news@millhouse-communications.co.uk> wrote in
news:10vf16p$pq9s$2@bilbo.eternal-september.org:
On 30/05/2026 16:19 wessie penned these words:
fortunately, in Welshpool, we still have -irCy4 pints for cask
bitter.
I think I need to <shudder> frequent a Wetherspoons to get close to
that. I did work out from when I first nipped into the pub if pints
had matched inflation it would be about -A-e1.70 seeing as I could
buy a pint for 14p in 1973.
no 'spoons here so our better locals sell enough volume to survive
on -e4 for the lower gravity cooking bitter.
nearest 'spoons are in Newtown and Oswestry, about the same distance
away.
I don't think the independent sector is doing too well in those
larger towns. They have many more younger people accessing colleges
who are not big drinkers. We are very much an older demographic in
Welshpool with most
pubgoers being boomers and young farmers.
We have the 'Moon Under Water' spoons in town for the daytime topers.
Do you live in Wigan?
Bucking the trend, a local pub that has been closed since 2018 is due
to reopen. Twice the purchaser tried to get planning permission to
convert it in to a swanky house, but it was refused. On a prominent
corner next to a church, so some passing trade in theory. I suspect
it may become a desi pub, though with the excellent Malabar
restaurant an equal walking
"desi" ?
We have the 'Moon Under Water' spoons in town for the daytime topers.
Bucking the trend,
"desi" ?
YTC1 <ytc1@ytc1.co.uk> wrote in news:10vjeiq$234m7$2@dont-email.me:
On 01/06/2026 07:26, Peter Fisher wrote:
On 30/05/2026 17:36, wessie wrote:
boots <news@millhouse-communications.co.uk> wrote in
news:10vf16p$pq9s$2@bilbo.eternal-september.org:
On 30/05/2026 16:19 wessie penned these words:
fortunately, in Welshpool, we still have -irCy4 pints for cask
bitter.
I think I need to <shudder> frequent a Wetherspoons to get close to
that. I did work out from when I first nipped into the pub if pints
had matched inflation it would be about -A-e1.70 seeing as I could
buy a pint for 14p in 1973.
no 'spoons here so our better locals sell enough volume to survive
on -e4 for the lower gravity cooking bitter.
nearest 'spoons are in Newtown and Oswestry, about the same distance
away.
I don't think the independent sector is doing too well in those
larger towns. They have many more younger people accessing colleges
who are not big drinkers. We are very much an older demographic in
Welshpool with most
pubgoers being boomers and young farmers.
We have the 'Moon Under Water' spoons in town for the daytime topers.
Do you live in Wigan?
it's a common name used by the Gammon in Chief. There is one in
Cheltenham, We used to call it the Dark Spoons as the lighing is so dim
so that the CCTV does not pick up the drug dealing.
Bucking the trend, a local pub that has been closed since 2018 is due
to reopen. Twice the purchaser tried to get planning permission to
convert it in to a swanky house, but it was refused. On a prominent
corner next to a church, so some passing trade in theory. I suspect
it may become a desi pub, though with the excellent Malabar
restaurant an equal walking
"desi" ?
A desi pub is a hybrid of a pub and Indian restaurant. Usually Punjabi.
Been around for decades in the Midlands, especially the Black Country.
YTC1 <ytc1@ytc1.co.uk> wrote in news:10vjeiq$234m7$2@dont-email.me:
On 01/06/2026 07:26, Peter Fisher wrote:
On 30/05/2026 17:36, wessie wrote:
boots <news@millhouse-communications.co.uk> wrote in
news:10vf16p$pq9s$2@bilbo.eternal-september.org:
On 30/05/2026 16:19 wessie penned these words:
fortunately, in Welshpool, we still have -irCy4 pints for cask
bitter.
I think I need to <shudder> frequent a Wetherspoons to get close to
that. I did work out from when I first nipped into the pub if pints
had matched inflation it would be about -A-e1.70 seeing as I could
buy a pint for 14p in 1973.
no 'spoons here so our better locals sell enough volume to survive
on -e4 for the lower gravity cooking bitter.
nearest 'spoons are in Newtown and Oswestry, about the same distance
away.
I don't think the independent sector is doing too well in those
larger towns. They have many more younger people accessing colleges
who are not big drinkers. We are very much an older demographic in
Welshpool with most
pubgoers being boomers and young farmers.
We have the 'Moon Under Water' spoons in town for the daytime topers.
Do you live in Wigan?
it's a common name used by the Gammon in Chief. There is one in
Bucking the trend, a local pub that has been closed since 2018 is due
to reopen. Twice the purchaser tried to get planning permission to
convert it in to a swanky house, but it was refused. On a prominent
corner next to a church, so some passing trade in theory. I suspect
it may become a desi pub, though with the excellent Malabar
restaurant an equal walking
"desi" ?
A desi pub is a hybrid of a pub and Indian restaurant. Usually Punjabi.
Been around for decades in the Midlands, especially the Black Country.
On 01/06/2026 11:06, wessie wrote:
YTC1 <ytc1@ytc1.co.uk> wrote in news:10vjeiq$234m7$2@dont-email.me:
On 01/06/2026 07:26, Peter Fisher wrote:
On 30/05/2026 17:36, wessie wrote:
boots <news@millhouse-communications.co.uk> wrote in
news:10vf16p$pq9s$2@bilbo.eternal-september.org:
On 30/05/2026 16:19 wessie penned these words:
fortunately, in Welshpool, we still have -irCy4 pints for cask
bitter.
I think I need to <shudder> frequent a Wetherspoons to get close to >>>>>> that. I did work out from when I first nipped into the pub if pints >>>>>> had matched inflation it would be about -A-e1.70 seeing as I could >>>>>> buy a pint for 14p in 1973.
no 'spoons here so our better locals sell enough volume to survive
on -e4 for the lower gravity cooking bitter.
nearest 'spoons are in Newtown and Oswestry, about the same distance >>>>> away.
I don't think the independent sector is doing too well in those
larger towns. They have many more younger people accessing colleges
who are not big drinkers. We are very much an older demographic in
Welshpool with most
pubgoers being boomers and young farmers.
We have the 'Moon Under Water' spoons in town for the daytime topers.
Do you live in Wigan?
it's a common name used by the Gammon in Chief. There is one in
Cheltenham, We used to call it the Dark Spoons as the lighing is so dim
so that the CCTV does not pick up the drug dealing.
Bucking the trend, a local pub that has been closed since 2018 is due
to reopen. Twice the purchaser tried to get planning permission to
convert it in to a swanky house, but it was refused. On a prominent
corner next to a church, so some passing trade in theory. I suspect
it may become a desi pub, though with the excellent Malabar
restaurant an equal walking
"desi" ?
A desi pub is a hybrid of a pub and Indian restaurant. Usually Punjabi.
Been around for decades in the Midlands, especially the Black Country.
Indeed.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Desi_pub
On 29/05/2026 09:47, Pete Fisher wrote:
One of our few decent pubs closed last week.
2 per day across the UK apparently.
On Fri, 29 May 2026 21:54:51 +0100, Simon Wilson ><simowilso+newsdemon@nodamnspamn.gmail.com> wrote:
On 29/05/2026 09:47, Pete Fisher wrote:
One of our few decent pubs closed last week.
2 per day across the UK apparently.
I heard it was more like 4 per day
Whatever, while brewerys and owners probably don't help, I think the
real issue is mostly demographics. Kids just don't drink nowadays.
And when I say "kids", I really mean people under 40. "Going to the
pub" just isn't a mainstream activity for that cohort of the
population. I can't see any business sector (e.g. pubs) resisting
that sort of demographic / cultural change
Champ wrote:
Whatever, while brewerys and owners probably don't help, I think the
real issue is mostly demographics. Kids just don't drink nowadays.
And when I say "kids", I really mean people under 40. "Going to the
pub" just isn't a mainstream activity for that cohort of the
population. I can't see any business sector (e.g. pubs) resisting
that sort of demographic / cultural change
They just don't have the need to escape like we did.
It were tough back then.
On Fri, 5 Jun 2026 15:09:27 -0000 (UTC), "GeoffC" <me@home.nl> wrote:
Champ wrote:
Whatever, while brewerys and owners probably don't help, I think the
real issue is mostly demographics. Kids just don't drink nowadays.
And when I say "kids", I really mean people under 40. "Going to the
pub" just isn't a mainstream activity for that cohort of the
population. I can't see any business sector (e.g. pubs) resisting
that sort of demographic / cultural change
They just don't have the need to escape like we did.
More like there's many other ways to escape now
It were tough back then.
Every generation thinks they had it hard, and that the next generation
is soft
https://historyhustle.com/2500-years-of-people-complaining-about-the-younger-generation/
On 06/06/2026 15:01, Champ wrote:
On Fri, 5 Jun 2026 15:09:27 -0000 (UTC), "GeoffC" <me@home.nl> wrote:
Champ wrote:
Whatever, while brewerys and owners probably don't help, I think the
real issue is mostly demographics. Kids just don't drink nowadays.
And when I say "kids", I really mean people under 40. "Going to the
pub" just isn't a mainstream activity for that cohort of the
population. I can't see any business sector (e.g. pubs) resisting
that sort of demographic / cultural change
They just don't have the need to escape like we did.
More like there's many other ways to escape now
It were tough back then.
Every generation thinks they had it hard, and that the next generation
is soft
https://historyhustle.com/2500-years-of-people-complaining-about-the-younger-generation/
Hah! Excellent!
Of course, if they are all right, it just shows how far we've sunk...
I did find the 1858 (Scientific American) diatribe against chess a bit surprising though?
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