• Trimming small trees in summer

    From Another John@lalaw44@hotmail.com to uk.rec.gardening on Tue Jun 24 11:37:38 2025
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    I'm inclined to trim - quite heavily - a lilac, and also a Japanese (red) maple, and to do it about now.

    Both are very beautiful small trees, but with the last year's worth of weather-mix, they have both grown well beyond the size we want. I'm thinking of doing some trimming of boughs/branches now, so that I can see exactly what shape I'm making -- in winter I find itdifficult to judge this.

    I thought also that if I do it now (lots of warm weather, and rain, to come) new growth will have a good chance to start before the autumn.

    Any comments, anyone, please?

    TIA

    John
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  • From Jeff Layman@Jeff@invalid.invalid to uk.rec.gardening on Tue Jun 24 14:31:34 2025
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    On 24/06/2025 12:37, Another John wrote:
    I'm inclined to trim - quite heavily - a lilac, and also a Japanese (red) maple, and to do it about now.

    Both are very beautiful small trees, but with the last year's worth of weather-mix, they have both grown well beyond the size we want. I'm thinking of doing some trimming of boughs/branches now, so that I can see exactly what shape I'm making -- in winter I find itdifficult to judge this.

    I thought also that if I do it now (lots of warm weather, and rain, to come) new growth will have a good chance to start before the autumn.

    Any comments, anyone, please?

    TIA

    John

    I've been hacking back several shrubs and small trees in the last couple
    of weeks, including a lilac and Acer palmatum. I can't see why it should
    be a problem. Look out for any nesting birds, though, as it would be an offence to disturb them.
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  • From N_Cook@diverse@tcp.co.uk to uk.rec.gardening on Tue Jun 24 14:37:05 2025
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    On 24/06/2025 12:37, Another John wrote:
    I'm inclined to trim - quite heavily - a lilac, and also a Japanese (red) maple, and to do it about now.

    Both are very beautiful small trees, but with the last year's worth of weather-mix, they have both grown well beyond the size we want. I'm thinking of doing some trimming of boughs/branches now, so that I can see exactly what shape I'm making -- in winter I find itdifficult to judge this.

    I thought also that if I do it now (lots of warm weather, and rain, to come) new growth will have a good chance to start before the autumn.

    Any comments, anyone, please?

    TIA

    John


    As its not sap rising season and you want to preserve the trees, invest
    in a pot of Arbrax or whatever its called these days. Brush on to avoid infection getting into the cuts, check its compatible with your tree types.
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  • From N_Cook@diverse@tcp.co.uk to uk.rec.gardening on Tue Jun 24 16:08:33 2025
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    On 24/06/2025 14:37, N_Cook wrote:

    Arbrax ----> Arbrex
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  • From Jeff Layman@Jeff@invalid.invalid to uk.rec.gardening on Tue Jun 24 18:44:03 2025
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    On 24/06/2025 14:37, N_Cook wrote:
    On 24/06/2025 12:37, Another John wrote:
    I'm inclined to trim - quite heavily - a lilac, and also a Japanese (red)
    maple, and to do it about now.

    Both are very beautiful small trees, but with the last year's worth of
    weather-mix, they have both grown well beyond the size we want. I'm thinking
    of doing some trimming of boughs/branches now, so that I can see exactly what
    shape I'm making -- in winter I find itdifficult to judge this.

    I thought also that if I do it now (lots of warm weather, and rain, to come) >> new growth will have a good chance to start before the autumn.

    Any comments, anyone, please?

    TIA

    John


    As its not sap rising season and you want to preserve the trees, invest
    in a pot of Arbrax or whatever its called these days. Brush on to avoid infection getting into the cuts, check its compatible with your tree types.

    It may not be recommended. <https://extension.arizona.edu/sites/extension.arizona.edu/files/attachment/PruningSealants.pdf>

    Anyway, the sap is flowing now. FWIW, I've never used any Arbrex, etc,
    after any pruning or lopping I've done.
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  • From David@wibble@btinternet.com to uk.rec.gardening on Fri Jun 27 11:03:48 2025
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    On Tue, 24 Jun 2025 14:37:05 +0100, N_Cook wrote:

    On 24/06/2025 12:37, Another John wrote:
    I'm inclined to trim - quite heavily - a lilac, and also a Japanese
    (red) maple, and to do it about now.

    Both are very beautiful small trees, but with the last year's worth of
    weather-mix, they have both grown well beyond the size we want. I'm
    thinking of doing some trimming of boughs/branches now, so that I can
    see exactly what shape I'm making -- in winter I find itdifficult to
    judge this.

    I thought also that if I do it now (lots of warm weather, and rain, to
    come) new growth will have a good chance to start before the autumn.

    Any comments, anyone, please?

    TIA

    John


    As its not sap rising season and you want to preserve the trees, invest
    in a pot of Arbrax or whatever its called these days. Brush on to avoid infection getting into the cuts, check its compatible with your tree
    types.

    We used to use Arbrex.
    Then we read that emulsion paint is just as effective at sealing the cut
    end, and cheaper.
    Then we read that there was little or no point in painting the cut ends.

    For comparison, look at all the flail cut hedgerows.
    They don't have anyone following on with a large tin of Arbrex. :-)

    Cheers



    Dave R
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  • From Another John@lalaw44@hotmail.com to uk.rec.gardening on Fri Jun 27 11:35:58 2025
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    On 24 Jun 2025 at 12:37:38 BST, "Another John" <lalaw44@hotmail.com> wrote:

    I'm inclined to trim - quite heavily - a lilac, and also a Japanese (red) maple, and to do it about now.

    Both are very beautiful small trees, but with the last year's worth of weather-mix, they have both grown well beyond the size we want. I'm thinking of doing some trimming of boughs/branches now, so that I can see exactly what shape I'm making -- in winter I find itdifficult to judge this.

    I thought also that if I do it now (lots of warm weather, and rain, to come) new growth will have a good chance to start before the autumn.

    Any comments, anyone, please?

    OP here - thanks for the reassurances folks!

    John
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  • From alan_m@junk@admac.myzen.co.uk to uk.rec.gardening on Sun Jun 29 08:04:18 2025
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    On 27/06/2025 12:03, David wrote:

    For comparison, look at all the flail cut hedgerows.
    They don't have anyone following on with a large tin of Arbrex. :-)


    Often you can hack something down without any medium or long term undue problems.

    I'm sure some of the gardening wisdom comes from the Victorian (or
    before) era where the head gardener who wrote the book had 20 staff
    under him to do the real work.

    I read an article years back about saving labour in places like public
    parks. In a rose garden trimming back with secateurs or a hedge trimmer produced the same results. Perhaps a bit of short term messiness but no lasting harm and no difference to blooming.
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  • From Jeff Layman@Jeff@invalid.invalid to uk.rec.gardening on Sun Jun 29 08:45:44 2025
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    On 29/06/2025 08:04, alan_m wrote:
    On 27/06/2025 12:03, David wrote:

    I'm sure some of the gardening wisdom comes from the Victorian (or
    before) era where the head gardener who wrote the book had 20 staff
    under him to do the real work.

    It's some time since I stated the most important gardening rule by far:
    *Plants can't read*

    In other words, they pay no attention to the written word of what
    someone /thinks/ they should be doing.
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  • From The Natural Philosopher@tnp@invalid.invalid to uk.rec.gardening on Sun Jun 29 09:52:49 2025
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    On 29/06/2025 08:45, Jeff Layman wrote:
    On 29/06/2025 08:04, alan_m wrote:
    On 27/06/2025 12:03, David wrote:

    I'm sure some of the gardening wisdom comes from the Victorian (or
    before) era where the head gardener who wrote the book had 20 staff
    under him to do the real work.

    It's some time since I stated the most important gardening rule by far: *Plants can't read*

    In other words, they pay no attention to the written word of what
    someone /thinks/ they should be doing.

    Indeed. Bullshit Baffles Brains. Especially Brains that think little
    more than that they are smarter than the average Bear.

    But only humans have Baffle-able Brains.

    Kicking the computer when its down wont make it get back up.
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  • From Another John@lalaw44@hotmail.com to uk.rec.gardening on Sun Jun 29 10:53:40 2025
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    On 29 Jun 2025 at 08:04:18 BST, "alan_m" <junk@admac.myzen.co.uk> wrote:

    On 27/06/2025 12:03, David wrote:

    For comparison, look at all the flail cut hedgerows.
    They don't have anyone following on with a large tin of Arbrex. :-)


    Often you can hack something down without any medium or long term undue problems.
    I'm sure some of the gardening wisdom comes from the Victorian (or
    before) era where the head gardener who wrote the book had 20 staff
    under him to do the real work.

    Ah - you mean like Monty! :-D [Thoug I'm now old enough to "listen with interest" rather than hang on his every word.)


    I read an article years back about saving labour in places like public
    parks. In a rose garden trimming back with secateurs or a hedge trimmer produced the same results. Perhaps a bit of short term messiness but no lasting harm and no difference to blooming.

    This is all interesting - thanks Alan!

    John
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  • From Chris Green@cl@isbd.net to uk.rec.gardening on Sun Jun 29 16:01:17 2025
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    The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> wrote:

    But only humans have Baffle-able Brains.

    Oh, I don't know, our dog looks pretty baffled sometimes!
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  • From The Natural Philosopher@tnp@invalid.invalid to uk.rec.gardening on Sun Jun 29 20:24:22 2025
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    On 29/06/2025 16:01, Chris Green wrote:
    The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> wrote:

    But only humans have Baffle-able Brains.

    Oh, I don't know, our dog looks pretty baffled sometimes!

    True...But they seldom read the Guardian.
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