• Stirrup pump basket-watering trolley gizmo?

    From David Entwistle@qnivq.ragjvfgyr@ogvagrearg.pbz to uk.rec.gardening on Thu Apr 17 07:28:23 2025
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    The local pub will have a couple of hanging baskets. They are going to be rather high - 2.25m to the top of the basket. To avoid working at height (other than for maintenance) I'm thinking of cobbling together a watering trolley with a tank, stirrup pump and lance head.

    The local ships chandlers will probably be able to supply a suitable
    manual pump, something along the lines of:

    https://www.piratescave.co.uk/manual-stirrup-hand-bilge-pump/

    I can get a 0.9m lance from hozelock. I have a sack barrow and the garden
    have a 25 ltr. water container.

    I don't think the 2.5m lift should be a problem, if I can get a good seal
    to the hose. Any thoughts, concerns, or recommendations?

    Thanks,
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  • From liz@liz@poppyrecords.invalid.invalid (Liz Tuddenham) to uk.rec.gardening on Thu Apr 17 08:58:47 2025
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    David Entwistle <qnivq.ragjvfgyr@ogvagrearg.pbz> wrote:

    The local pub will have a couple of hanging baskets. They are going to be rather high - 2.25m to the top of the basket. To avoid working at height (other than for maintenance) I'm thinking of cobbling together a watering trolley with a tank, stirrup pump and lance head.

    The local ships chandlers will probably be able to supply a suitable
    manual pump, something along the lines of:

    https://www.piratescave.co.uk/manual-stirrup-hand-bilge-pump/

    I can get a 0.9m lance from hozelock. I have a sack barrow and the garden have a 25 ltr. water container.

    I don't think the 2.5m lift should be a problem, if I can get a good seal
    to the hose. Any thoughts, concerns, or recommendations?

    Put the baskets on a rope with a pulley, they can be lowered for
    watering and maintanance. (Make sure the rope cleat is not accessible
    to drunk patrons.)
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  • From Andy Burns@usenet@andyburns.uk to uk.rec.gardening on Thu Apr 17 09:57:52 2025
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    David Entwistle wrote:

    I'm thinking of cobbling together a watering
    trolley with a tank, stirrup pump and lance head.

    You could probably get a little submersible pump cheaper, sling an old
    car battery or 18v drill battery on your trolley?

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  • From Sam Plusnet@not@home.com to uk.rec.gardening on Fri Apr 18 23:12:04 2025
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    On 17/04/2025 09:57, Andy Burns wrote:
    David Entwistle wrote:

    I'm thinking of cobbling together a watering
    trolley with a tank, stirrup pump and lance head.

    You could probably get a little submersible pump cheaper, sling an old
    car battery or 18v drill battery on your trolley?

    Probably a better idea, since pumping the stirrup pump whilst pointing
    the lace head means dividing your attention between the two.
    Having only the lance to deal with might result in fewer damp patrons demanding free pint(s) in compensation.
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  • From David Entwistle@qnivq.ragjvfgyr@ogvagrearg.pbz to uk.rec.gardening on Sat Apr 19 09:30:12 2025
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    On Fri, 18 Apr 2025 23:12:04 +0100, Sam Plusnet wrote:

    Probably a better idea, since pumping the stirrup pump whilst pointing
    the lace head means dividing your attention between the two.
    Having only the lance to deal with might result in fewer damp patrons demanding free pint(s) in compensation.

    Good point.

    I have a stirrup bicycle air pump and was considering pressurizing the container prior to use to avoid the dual activity. But. wheeling a pressurized, non-specified, water container around the streets may not be
    my best idea.

    I see electric has its advantages.
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  • From N_Cook@diverse@tcp.co.uk to uk.rec.gardening on Sat Apr 19 09:27:32 2025
    From Newsgroup: uk.rec.gardening

    On 17/04/2025 08:58, Liz Tuddenham wrote:
    David Entwistle <qnivq.ragjvfgyr@ogvagrearg.pbz> wrote:

    The local pub will have a couple of hanging baskets. They are going to be
    rather high - 2.25m to the top of the basket. To avoid working at height
    (other than for maintenance) I'm thinking of cobbling together a watering
    trolley with a tank, stirrup pump and lance head.

    The local ships chandlers will probably be able to supply a suitable
    manual pump, something along the lines of:

    https://www.piratescave.co.uk/manual-stirrup-hand-bilge-pump/

    I can get a 0.9m lance from hozelock. I have a sack barrow and the garden
    have a 25 ltr. water container.

    I don't think the 2.5m lift should be a problem, if I can get a good seal
    to the hose. Any thoughts, concerns, or recommendations?

    Put the baskets on a rope with a pulley, they can be lowered for
    watering and maintanance. (Make sure the rope cleat is not accessible
    to drunk patrons.)


    Or a variant avoiding drunk patrons . A pulley support for each basket,
    tied to each other by bungee cord over the pulleys. Then a broom stick
    with hook to pull down each basket in turn. Bearing in mind the weight
    of fully rain saturated baskets setting the length of cord.
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  • From David Entwistle@qnivq.ragjvfgyr@ogvagrearg.pbz to uk.rec.gardening on Sat Apr 19 09:22:09 2025
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    On Thu, 17 Apr 2025 08:58:47 +0100, Liz Tuddenham wrote:

    Put the baskets on a rope with a pulley, they can be lowered for
    watering and maintanance. (Make sure the rope cleat is not accessible
    to drunk patrons.)

    Nice idea. The pub has something of a nautical theme, as the town was
    involved in ship building and herring fishing over the years. There is
    still a local lobster, crab and shellfish fishing activity. I think it
    would be possible to make quite a nice job of that solution.

    The baskets are 45 cm (18 in.) and wrought iron, with chains. They aren't
    that heavy, themselves, but have an all-up weight around (or just over
    20kg). That's not much less than a 75 ltr bag of peat free compost. I
    suspect having that load pulling up on the end of a rope would be a bit disconcerting for most people. It would be nice to do a proper rigging
    job, with a multi-pulley blocks and a windlass, or similar. I'll suggest
    it to the pub.
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    David Entwistle
    52-#56'02.5"N 4-#31'05.8"W 50m amsl
    Sandy soil
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  • From David Entwistle@qnivq.ragjvfgyr@ogvagrearg.pbz to uk.rec.gardening on Sat Apr 19 09:25:14 2025
    From Newsgroup: uk.rec.gardening

    On Sat, 19 Apr 2025 09:27:32 +0100, N_Cook wrote:

    Or a variant avoiding drunk patrons . A pulley support for each basket,
    tied to each other by bungee cord over the pulleys. Then a broom stick
    with hook to pull down each basket in turn. Bearing in mind the weight
    of fully rain saturated baskets setting the length of cord.

    Interesting idea. I see Darlac have a 'hilo' device for smaller baskets.

    https://darlac.com/product/da020-hilo-for-hanging-baskets/

    I haven't seen one for a 45 cm (18 in.) basket.
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    Sandy soil
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  • From David Entwistle@qnivq.ragjvfgyr@ogvagrearg.pbz to uk.rec.gardening on Sat Apr 19 09:25:42 2025
    From Newsgroup: uk.rec.gardening

    On Thu, 17 Apr 2025 09:57:52 +0100, Andy Burns wrote:

    You could probably get a little submersible pump cheaper, sling an old
    car battery or 18v drill battery on your trolley?

    Yes, good idea.
    --
    David Entwistle
    52-#56'02.5"N 4-#31'05.8"W 50m amsl
    Sandy soil
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  • From David@wibble@btinternet.com to uk.rec.gardening on Sat Apr 19 10:32:10 2025
    From Newsgroup: uk.rec.gardening

    On Thu, 17 Apr 2025 07:28:23 +0000, David Entwistle wrote:

    The local pub will have a couple of hanging baskets. They are going to
    be rather high - 2.25m to the top of the basket. To avoid working at
    height (other than for maintenance) I'm thinking of cobbling together a watering trolley with a tank, stirrup pump and lance head.

    The local ships chandlers will probably be able to supply a suitable
    manual pump, something along the lines of:

    https://www.piratescave.co.uk/manual-stirrup-hand-bilge-pump/

    I can get a 0.9m lance from hozelock. I have a sack barrow and the
    garden have a 25 ltr. water container.

    I don't think the 2.5m lift should be a problem, if I can get a good
    seal to the hose. Any thoughts, concerns, or recommendations?

    Thanks,

    <https://www.screwfix.com/p/essentials-white-backpack-pressure- sprayer-12ltr/1402x>

    This should be easy to pump and spray at the same time, and only -u25.
    You should be able to get a wand extension as well if you need it.

    It isn't a pump up sprayer (if it is the same as the one I bought yonks
    ago) but the long side handle works the pump as you move it back and forth.

    Cheers



    Dave R
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  • From liz@liz@poppyrecords.invalid.invalid (Liz Tuddenham) to uk.rec.gardening on Sat Apr 19 11:13:13 2025
    From Newsgroup: uk.rec.gardening

    David Entwistle <qnivq.ragjvfgyr@ogvagrearg.pbz> wrote:

    On Thu, 17 Apr 2025 08:58:47 +0100, Liz Tuddenham wrote:

    Put the baskets on a rope with a pulley, they can be lowered for
    watering and maintanance. (Make sure the rope cleat is not accessible
    to drunk patrons.)

    Nice idea. The pub has something of a nautical theme, as the town was involved in ship building and herring fishing over the years. There is
    still a local lobster, crab and shellfish fishing activity. I think it
    would be possible to make quite a nice job of that solution.

    The baskets are 45 cm (18 in.) and wrought iron, with chains. They aren't that heavy, themselves, but have an all-up weight around (or just over
    20kg). That's not much less than a 75 ltr bag of peat free compost. I
    suspect having that load pulling up on the end of a rope would be a bit disconcerting for most people. It would be nice to do a proper rigging
    job, with a multi-pulley blocks and a windlass, or similar. I'll suggest
    it to the pub.

    That would be absolutely brilliant - and a good way of turning a
    necessity into an asset.
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  • From Andy Burns@usenet@andyburns.uk to uk.rec.gardening on Sat Apr 19 11:42:55 2025
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    David wrote:

    <https://screwfix.com/p/1402x>

    This should be easy to pump and spray at the same time

    I suspect it (and any knapsack sprayer) would deliver an underwhelming
    flow rate for watering hanging-baskets though ...

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  • From Sam Plusnet@not@home.com to uk.rec.gardening on Sun Apr 20 00:10:31 2025
    From Newsgroup: uk.rec.gardening

    On 19/04/2025 11:42, Andy Burns wrote:
    David wrote:

    <https://screwfix.com/p/1402x>

    This should be easy to pump and spray at the same time

    I suspect it (and any knapsack sprayer) would deliver an underwhelming
    flow rate for watering hanging-baskets though ...

    Why do I suspect that almost any arrangement will result in a steady
    trickle of water down the arm of the person wielding it?
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  • From David Rance@david@SPAMOFF.invalid to uk.rec.gardening on Sun Apr 20 09:40:37 2025
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    On 20/04/2025 00:10, Sam Plusnet wrote:

    On 19/04/2025 11:42, Andy Burns wrote:

    David wrote:

    <https://screwfix.com/p/1402x>

    This should be easy to pump and spray at the same time

    I suspect it (and any knapsack sprayer) would deliver an underwhelming
    flow rate for watering hanging-baskets though ...

    Why do I suspect that almost any arrangement will result in a steady
    trickle of water down the arm of the person wielding it?


    It's called Murphy's Law! ;-)

    David
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  • From Another John@lalaw44@hotmail.com to uk.rec.gardening on Mon Apr 21 17:08:14 2025
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    On 19 Apr 2025 at 11:32:10 BST, "David" <wibble@btinternet.com> wrote:

    On Thu, 17 Apr 2025 07:28:23 +0000, David Entwistle wrote:

    The local pub will have a couple of hanging baskets. They are going to
    be rather high - 2.25m to the top of the basket. ...

    <https://www.screwfix.com/p/essentials-white-backpack-pressure-sprayer-12ltr/1402x>

    This should be easy to pump and spray at the same time, and only -u25.
    You should be able to get a wand extension as well if you need it.

    It isn't a pump up sprayer (if it is the same as the one I bought yonks
    ago) but the long side handle works the pump as you move it back and forth. Cheers
    Dave R

    That's what I was thinking!. 2.25m from the ground is not all that high - just above the head of the average football goalkeeper! (Unless you mean 2.25 m _above_ your head, David?)

    Furthermore: how much water would actually needed at one time into these baskets? The spray that Dave R recommends (which by the way could easi;y be modified not to spray but to squirt heartily) can provide 20 litres - that's a lot!

    But ... I suspect, David (E), that you're more interested in devising a Heath-Robinson Creation ... good for you!

    AJ
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  • From The Natural Philosopher@tnp@invalid.invalid to uk.rec.gardening on Tue Apr 22 10:04:51 2025
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    On 21/04/2025 18:08, Another John wrote:
    On 19 Apr 2025 at 11:32:10 BST, "David" <wibble@btinternet.com> wrote:

    On Thu, 17 Apr 2025 07:28:23 +0000, David Entwistle wrote:

    The local pub will have a couple of hanging baskets. They are going to
    be rather high - 2.25m to the top of the basket. ...

    <https://www.screwfix.com/p/essentials-white-backpack-pressure-sprayer-12ltr/1402x>

    This should be easy to pump and spray at the same time, and only -u25.
    You should be able to get a wand extension as well if you need it.

    It isn't a pump up sprayer (if it is the same as the one I bought yonks
    ago) but the long side handle works the pump as you move it back and forth. >> Cheers
    Dave R

    That's what I was thinking!. 2.25m from the ground is not all that high - just
    above the head of the average football goalkeeper! (Unless you mean 2.25 m _above_ your head, David?)

    2.2m is the average height of a ceiling.

    Furthermore: how much water would actually needed at one time into these baskets? The spray that Dave R recommends (which by the way could easi;y be modified not to spray but to squirt heartily) can provide 20 litres - that's a
    lot!

    A pot plant doesnt normally need more than a cupful of water a day.

    But ... I suspect, David (E), that you're more interested in devising a Heath-Robinson Creation ... good for you!

    And why not?

    AJ
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  • From alan_m@junk@admac.myzen.co.uk to uk.rec.gardening on Fri Apr 25 19:07:58 2025
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    On 19/04/2025 11:32, David wrote:
    On Thu, 17 Apr 2025 07:28:23 +0000, David Entwistle wrote:

    The local pub will have a couple of hanging baskets. They are going to
    be rather high - 2.25m to the top of the basket. To avoid working at
    height (other than for maintenance) I'm thinking of cobbling together a
    watering trolley with a tank, stirrup pump and lance head.

    The local ships chandlers will probably be able to supply a suitable
    manual pump, something along the lines of:

    https://www.piratescave.co.uk/manual-stirrup-hand-bilge-pump/

    I can get a 0.9m lance from hozelock. I have a sack barrow and the
    garden have a 25 ltr. water container.

    I don't think the 2.5m lift should be a problem, if I can get a good
    seal to the hose. Any thoughts, concerns, or recommendations?

    Thanks,

    <https://www.screwfix.com/p/essentials-white-backpack-pressure- sprayer-12ltr/1402x>

    This should be easy to pump and spray at the same time, and only -u25.
    You should be able to get a wand extension as well if you need it.

    It isn't a pump up sprayer (if it is the same as the one I bought yonks
    ago) but the long side handle works the pump as you move it back and forth.


    What about a micro irrigation system attached to a cheap water timer.
    The timer can be set for multiple times including in the middle of the
    night when it may be the ideal time for watering as it will be cooler.
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  • From David Entwistle@qnivq.ragjvfgyr@ogvagrearg.pbz to uk.rec.gardening on Sat Apr 26 07:56:59 2025
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    On Fri, 25 Apr 2025 19:07:58 +0100, alan_m wrote:

    What about a micro irrigation system attached to a cheap water timer.
    The timer can be set for multiple times including in the middle of the
    night when it may be the ideal time for watering as it will be cooler.

    Yes, that would be ideal. The options arise from consideration of what I
    can do in the short-term to keep the flowers alive and what someone else
    may do in the longer term, as a more practical solution.
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