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rCLA car parking permit is cheaper!rCY Cyclists slam rCLshamefulrCY council for cutting bike hangar subsidy rCo as prices set to rise six-fold

rCLFor all the cycle lanes and LTNs to encourage people like me to cycle, and then raise the price, I canrCOt afford it frankly,rCY one cyclist said, after Cyclehoop announced that the price of storing a bike in its hangars will
rise from -u12 to -u72 a year

by RYAN MALLON SAT, APR 20, 2024 17:01

Cyclists in the London Borough of Enfield have slammed the local councilrCOs decision to cut its subsidy for the townrCOs cycle hangars, which will see
the annual price of storing a bike in one of the secure storage units rise six-fold from -u12 to -u72.

In an email sent to all subscribers, Cyclehoop rCo the company that runs the bike storage scheme on behalf of Enfield Council rCo blamed the local
authority for the price hike, which will bring the cost of using a bike
hangar in Enfield in line with other London boroughs such as Richmond-upon-Thames and Kensington and Chelsea.

However, from May cyclists in Enfield will have to pay double the
subscription cost of other Cyclehoop hangar users in Camden and Haringey,
where the units cost -u36 a year.

rCLWe are writing to advise you that the annual cost of Cyclehoop Bikehanger subscriptions in Enfield is changing from 1st May,rCY Cyclehoop told subscribers in Enfield.

rCLThe London borough of Enfield currently subsidises all bike hangar subscriptions for residents of the borough, however, as a result of a
change in the subsidy provided to Cyclehoop from the local authority, your subscription will be increasing, and the new cost of an annual subscription will be -u72 per year.rCY

[Link] rCLSo many people are put off cycling by the threat of having their
bike stolenrCY: Bike theft victims call for more secure cycle hangars as
demand soars

The price hike has been roundly condemned by local cyclists, who rely on
the outdoor storage units to safely secure their bikes due to a lack of
space in their properties, and who described the six-fold rise as rCLunfairrCY and rCLshamefulrCY on the part of the council.

rCLThe price hike is so absurd. From -u12 to -u72 a year rCo really? If I had a car the parking permit is cheaper!rCY Enfield resident Claire Freston told
the Enfield Dispatch (link is external).

rCLShame on Enfield Council. For all the cycle lanes and LTNs to encourage people like me to cycle, and then raise the price, I canrCOt afford it
frankly.

rCLIt wonrCOt deter me from cycling but it will make keeping my bike in my house rCo in the hallway for all of us to trip over day and night rCo really annoying to be honest.rCY

Another Cyclehoop user, George Andruszkiewicz, added: rCLThis is unfair on people who cannot afford such increases, it penalises cyclists rCo especially those who live in flats rCo it is counterproductive to the boroughrCOs green agenda, and makes me wonder what other rCyinitiativesrCO are being prepared to increase fees for local services.rCY

Responding to the complaints, an Enfield Council spokesperson said: rCLThe council has installed cycle parking across the borough at train stations,
in town centres, and over 100 cycle hangers on residential streets as one
part of our efforts to encourage cycling in Enfield.

rCLThe new fee covers the full cost of maintaining the hangers after a few years of council-subsidised rates while they were being introduced and were grant-funded. The new fees are benchmarked and are similar to other London boroughs.

rCLEnsuring the councilrCOs costs of maintaining the cycle hangers are fully covered will ensure we can roll out even more much-loved cycle hangers
across the borough, with another seven planned for installation over the
coming months.rCY

EnfieldrCOs Cyclehoop price hike isnrCOt the first row to emerge over the cost of bike storage in recent months.

In February, Brighton and Hove City Council rejected a call from
Conservative councillors to increase the cost of using bike hangars in the
city rCo a controversial topic after a range of protests from local motorists rCo five-hold from -u1 to -u5 a week.

Conservative councillors had claimed that a -u125,000 subsidy set aside in
the Labour-controlled councilrCOs budget for Falco, the company behind the hangars, to maintain them would be better spent on frontline services and
that people allocated spaces within them to park their bikes should pay
more.

But LabourrCOs Trevor Muten, chair of the councilrCOs Transport and Sustainability Committee, said that the hangars perform a valuable function
and that the cost of using them would not be reviewed.

rCLAs a city with a high number of flats and many people without access to private garden or cycle space, the hangars have been crucial in providing a convenient, safe and affordable space for bikes,rCY he said.

rCLAffordability was factored in when the cycle hangar project was introduced and we have no current plans to review the cost paid by residents for
hangar spaces.

rCLWe realise that, in some areas of the city, the introduction of any more cycle hangars needs to be balanced with the availability of parking space
and this will factor into our parking review process.rCY

And last May, councillors in Edinburgh raised concerns about the cost of
using a bike hangar in the Scottish capital rCo which in some cases is up to three times as expensive as a 12-month car parking permit rCo an annual price some described as prohibitive for people on lower incomes.

However, calls to subsidise the -u6-a-month bike hangar costs by raising parking charges, especially for the most polluting vehicles, were
criticised by opposition councillors for potentially rCLpitting drivers
against cyclistsrCY.

<https://road.cc/content/news/cyclists-slam-council-cutting-bike-hangar-subsidy-307939>
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Spike
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On 22/04/2024 09:35 am, Spike wrote:

rCLA car parking permit is cheaper!rCY Cyclists slam rCLshamefulrCY council for
cutting bike hangar subsidy rCo as prices set to rise six-fold

rCLFor all the cycle lanes and LTNs to encourage people like me to cycle, and then raise the price, I canrCOt afford it frankly,rCY one cyclist said, after Cyclehoop announced that the price of storing a bike in its hangars will
rise from -u12 to -u72 a year

by RYAN MALLON SAT, APR 20, 2024 17:01

Cyclists in the London Borough of Enfield have slammed the local councilrCOs decision to cut its subsidy for the townrCOs cycle hangars, which will see the annual price of storing a bike in one of the secure storage units rise six-fold from -u12 to -u72.

In an email sent to all subscribers, Cyclehoop rCo the company that runs the bike storage scheme on behalf of Enfield Council rCo blamed the local authority for the price hike, which will bring the cost of using a bike hangar in Enfield in line with other London boroughs such as Richmond-upon-Thames and Kensington and Chelsea.

However, from May cyclists in Enfield will have to pay double the subscription cost of other Cyclehoop hangar users in Camden and Haringey, where the units cost -u36 a year.

rCLWe are writing to advise you that the annual cost of Cyclehoop Bikehanger subscriptions in Enfield is changing from 1st May,rCY Cyclehoop told subscribers in Enfield.

rCLThe London borough of Enfield currently subsidises all bike hangar subscriptions for residents of the borough, however, as a result of a
change in the subsidy provided to Cyclehoop from the local authority, your subscription will be increasing, and the new cost of an annual subscription will be -u72 per year.rCY

[Link] rCLSo many people are put off cycling by the threat of having their bike stolenrCY: Bike theft victims call for more secure cycle hangars as demand soars

The price hike has been roundly condemned by local cyclists, who rely on
the outdoor storage units to safely secure their bikes due to a lack of
space in their properties, and who described the six-fold rise as rCLunfairrCY
and rCLshamefulrCY on the part of the council.

rCLThe price hike is so absurd. From -u12 to -u72 a year rCo really? If I had a
car the parking permit is cheaper!rCY Enfield resident Claire Freston told the Enfield Dispatch (link is external).

rCLShame on Enfield Council. For all the cycle lanes and LTNs to encourage people like me to cycle, and then raise the price, I canrCOt afford it frankly.

rCLIt wonrCOt deter me from cycling but it will make keeping my bike in my house rCo in the hallway for all of us to trip over day and night rCo really annoying to be honest.rCY

Another Cyclehoop user, George Andruszkiewicz, added: rCLThis is unfair on people who cannot afford such increases, it penalises cyclists rCo especially those who live in flats rCo it is counterproductive to the boroughrCOs green agenda, and makes me wonder what other rCyinitiativesrCO are being prepared to
increase fees for local services.rCY

Responding to the complaints, an Enfield Council spokesperson said: rCLThe council has installed cycle parking across the borough at train stations,
in town centres, and over 100 cycle hangers on residential streets as one part of our efforts to encourage cycling in Enfield.

rCLThe new fee covers the full cost of maintaining the hangers after a few years of council-subsidised rates while they were being introduced and were grant-funded. The new fees are benchmarked and are similar to other London boroughs.

rCLEnsuring the councilrCOs costs of maintaining the cycle hangers are fully covered will ensure we can roll out even more much-loved cycle hangers
across the borough, with another seven planned for installation over the coming months.rCY

EnfieldrCOs Cyclehoop price hike isnrCOt the first row to emerge over the cost
of bike storage in recent months.

In February, Brighton and Hove City Council rejected a call from
Conservative councillors to increase the cost of using bike hangars in the city rCo a controversial topic after a range of protests from local motorists rCo five-hold from -u1 to -u5 a week.

"five-hold"?

Ah... it's road.cc again.

Semi-literates writing for a a publication aimed at other semi-literates.

Conservative councillors had claimed that a -u125,000 subsidy set aside in the Labour-controlled councilrCOs budget for Falco, the company behind the hangars, to maintain them would be better spent on frontline services and that people allocated spaces within them to park their bikes should pay
more.

But LabourrCOs Trevor Muten, chair of the councilrCOs Transport and Sustainability Committee, said that the hangars perform a valuable function and that the cost of using them would not be reviewed.

Did he *mean* the cost?

The article appears to be about the price.

And cost and price are not the same thing.

rCLAs a city with a high number of flats and many people without access to private garden or cycle space, the hangars have been crucial in providing a convenient, safe and affordable space for bikes,rCY he said.

rCLAffordability was factored in when the cycle hangar project was introduced and we have no current plans to review the cost paid by residents for
hangar spaces.

rCLWe realise that, in some areas of the city, the introduction of any more cycle hangars needs to be balanced with the availability of parking space
and this will factor into our parking review process.rCY

And last May, councillors in Edinburgh raised concerns about the cost of using a bike hangar in the Scottish capital rCo which in some cases is up to three times as expensive as a 12-month car parking permit rCo an annual price some described as prohibitive for people on lower incomes.

However, calls to subsidise the -u6-a-month bike hangar costs by raising parking charges, especially for the most polluting vehicles, were
criticised by opposition councillors for potentially rCLpitting drivers against cyclistsrCY.

<https://road.cc/content/news/cyclists-slam-council-cutting-bike-hangar-subsidy-307939>

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On 22/04/2024 09:35 am, Spike wrote:

rCLA car parking permit is cheaper!rCY Cyclists slam rCLshamefulrCY council for
cutting bike hangar subsidy rCo as prices set to rise six-fold

rCLFor all the cycle lanes and LTNs to encourage people like me to cycle, and then raise the price, I canrCOt afford it frankly,rCY one cyclist said, after Cyclehoop announced that the price of storing a bike in its hangars will
rise from -u12 to -u72 a year

by RYAN MALLON SAT, APR 20, 2024 17:01

Cyclists in the London Borough of Enfield have slammed the local councilrCOs decision to cut its subsidy for the townrCOs cycle hangars, which will see the annual price of storing a bike in one of the secure storage units rise six-fold from -u12 to -u72.

In an email sent to all subscribers, Cyclehoop rCo the company that runs the bike storage scheme on behalf of Enfield Council rCo blamed the local authority for the price hike, which will bring the cost of using a bike hangar in Enfield in line with other London boroughs such as Richmond-upon-Thames and Kensington and Chelsea.

However, from May cyclists in Enfield will have to pay double the subscription cost of other Cyclehoop hangar users in Camden and Haringey, where the units cost -u36 a year.

rCLWe are writing to advise you that the annual cost of Cyclehoop Bikehanger subscriptions in Enfield is changing from 1st May,rCY Cyclehoop told subscribers in Enfield.

rCLThe London borough of Enfield currently subsidises all bike hangar subscriptions for residents of the borough, however, as a result of a
change in the subsidy provided to Cyclehoop from the local authority, your subscription will be increasing, and the new cost of an annual subscription will be -u72 per year.rCY

[Link] rCLSo many people are put off cycling by the threat of having their bike stolenrCY: Bike theft victims call for more secure cycle hangars as demand soars

The price hike has been roundly condemned by local cyclists, who rely on
the outdoor storage units to safely secure their bikes due to a lack of
space in their properties, and who described the six-fold rise as rCLunfairrCY
and rCLshamefulrCY on the part of the council.

rCLThe price hike is so absurd. From -u12 to -u72 a year rCo really? If I had a
car the parking permit is cheaper!rCY Enfield resident Claire Freston told the Enfield Dispatch (link is external).

rCLShame on Enfield Council. For all the cycle lanes and LTNs to encourage people like me to cycle, and then raise the price, I canrCOt afford it frankly.

rCLIt wonrCOt deter me from cycling but it will make keeping my bike in my house rCo in the hallway for all of us to trip over day and night rCo really annoying to be honest.rCY

Another Cyclehoop user, George Andruszkiewicz, added: rCLThis is unfair on people who cannot afford such increases, it penalises cyclists rCo especially those who live in flats rCo it is counterproductive to the boroughrCOs green agenda, and makes me wonder what other rCyinitiativesrCO are being prepared to
increase fees for local services.rCY

Responding to the complaints, an Enfield Council spokesperson said: rCLThe council has installed cycle parking across the borough at train stations,
in town centres, and over 100 cycle hangers on residential streets as one part of our efforts to encourage cycling in Enfield.

rCLThe new fee covers the full cost of maintaining the hangers after a few years of council-subsidised rates while they were being introduced and were grant-funded. The new fees are benchmarked and are similar to other London boroughs.

rCLEnsuring the councilrCOs costs of maintaining the cycle hangers are fully covered will ensure we can roll out even more much-loved cycle hangers
across the borough, with another seven planned for installation over the coming months.rCY

EnfieldrCOs Cyclehoop price hike isnrCOt the first row to emerge over the cost
of bike storage in recent months.

In February, Brighton and Hove City Council rejected a call from
Conservative councillors to increase the cost of using bike hangars in the city rCo a controversial topic after a range of protests from local motorists rCo five-hold from -u1 to -u5 a week.

Conservative councillors had claimed that a -u125,000 subsidy set aside in the Labour-controlled councilrCOs budget for Falco, the company behind the hangars, to maintain them would be better spent on frontline services and that people allocated spaces within them to park their bikes should pay
more.

But LabourrCOs Trevor Muten, chair of the councilrCOs Transport and Sustainability Committee, said that the hangars perform a valuable function and that the cost of using them would not be reviewed.

rCLAs a city with a high number of flats and many people without access to private garden or cycle space, the hangars have been crucial in providing a convenient, safe and affordable space for bikes,rCY he said.

rCLAffordability was factored in when the cycle hangar project was introduced and we have no current plans to review the cost paid by residents for
hangar spaces.

rCLWe realise that, in some areas of the city, the introduction of any more cycle hangars needs to be balanced with the availability of parking space
and this will factor into our parking review process.rCY

And last May, councillors in Edinburgh raised concerns about the cost of using a bike hangar in the Scottish capital rCo which in some cases is up to three times as expensive as a 12-month car parking permit rCo an annual price some described as prohibitive for people on lower incomes.

Is there any price, of anything at all, which is not "prohibitive" for
people on low-enough incomes?

That's what "low income" *means*!

However, calls to subsidise the -u6-a-month bike hangar costs by raising parking charges, especially for the most polluting vehicles, were
criticised by opposition councillors for potentially rCLpitting drivers against cyclistsrCY.

<https://road.cc/content/news/cyclists-slam-council-cutting-bike-hangar-subsidy-307939>

If they are so frightened of chav-bike-theft, why don't the chavs just
store their chav-bikes in their garages?

Or if they haven't seen fit to go to the expense of providing themselves
with off-street space, perhaps in their kitchens (something of which
there is famous precedent in uk.r.c)?
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Spike <aero.spike@mail.com> wrote:

rCLA car parking permit is cheaper!rCY Cyclists slam rCLshamefulrCY council for
cutting bike hangar subsidy rCo as prices set to rise six-fold

rCLFor all the cycle lanes and LTNs to encourage people like me to cycle, and then raise the price, I canrCOt afford it frankly,rCY one cyclist said, after Cyclehoop announced that the price of storing a bike in its hangars will
rise from -u12 to -u72 a year

Oh dear, imagine if he had to pay the same as car drivers. It is some
years since we needed to buy a parking season ticket but, as I recall, it
was several hundred pounds - with no guarantee you would actually get a
space and no security ( we had a car stolen from the car park. When we
reported it, the police officer reacted if it was our fault. Not being in
the best of moods, it was my birthday and having a car stolen isnrCOt my idea of fun, he was quickly put right re his attitude.)

Locally, the Council has increased car park charges recently while
claiming to be trying to rCyrevitaliserCO the local high streets - it is responsible for several. WerCOve lived in this area since the early 80s. At that time, the main high streets were thriving. One was positively
pleasant, the other certainly good enough to visit for shopping, perhaps
grab a coffee, it had decent shops etc. The others were ok, certainly not unpleasant, just a bit lacking in the better shops etc.

All have been dragged down several notches. No quality shops. Millions of pounds wasted by the Council on a new bus station to replace a perfectly
good one which was under cover. The new one is exposed to the weather and
in a position which distorted the traffic flow.

True you can be sure of a parking space, few people venture into the town.
The empty buses trundle along the bus lanes.

Then, of course, there is rCycar taxrCO or VED. Having bought a new car recently, deemed to be a luxury car, I will be paying circa -u500 for the
next 5 years of so. Not to mention, half of the cost of every tank full of petrol being tax / duty.


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Spike <aero.spike@mail.com> wrote:

rCLA car parking permit is cheaper!rCY Cyclists slam rCLshamefulrCY council for
cutting bike hangar subsidy rCo as prices set to rise six-fold

rCLFor all the cycle lanes and LTNs to encourage people like me to cycle, and then raise the price, I canrCOt afford it frankly,rCY one cyclist said, after Cyclehoop announced that the price of storing a bike in its hangars will
rise from -u12 to -u72 a year

<snip snivelling rCywoe is me, my subsidy is undonerCO article>

<https://road.cc/content/news/cyclists-slam-council-cutting-bike-hangar-subsidy-307939>

One wonders if the phraseology missed by the article is something along the lines of rCyI canrCOt afford these new cycle hangar fees, where am I going to park my -u12000 carbon-framed bicycle now? And my -u200 aero sunglasses need replacingrCO.
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On 22/04/2024 01:50 pm, Spike wrote:

Spike <aero.spike@mail.com> wrote:

rCLA car parking permit is cheaper!rCY Cyclists slam rCLshamefulrCY council for
cutting bike hangar subsidy rCo as prices set to rise six-fold

rCLFor all the cycle lanes and LTNs to encourage people like me to cycle, and
then raise the price, I canrCOt afford it frankly,rCY one cyclist said, after
Cyclehoop announced that the price of storing a bike in its hangars will
rise from -u12 to -u72 a year

<snip snivelling rCywoe is me, my subsidy is undonerCO article>

<https://road.cc/content/news/cyclists-slam-council-cutting-bike-hangar-subsidy-307939>

One wonders if the phraseology missed by the article is something along the lines of rCyI canrCOt afford these new cycle hangar fees, where am I going to park my -u12000 carbon-framed bicycle now? And my -u200 aero sunglasses need replacingrCO.

The thing, as we know, is that chav-cyclists uniformly and predictably
claim to be the upper stratum of society as far as income is concerned.
That has been a constant mantra from chav-cyclists in this very
newsgroup over many years.

They're all Considerably Richer Than Yow (or me) - or so they claim.

So why would they *need* money out of the poor box to subsidise the
storage of their chav-bikes?
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JNugent <JNugent73@mail.com> wrote:

On 22/04/2024 01:50 pm, Spike wrote:

Spike <aero.spike@mail.com> wrote:

rCLA car parking permit is cheaper!rCY Cyclists slam rCLshamefulrCY council for
cutting bike hangar subsidy rCo as prices set to rise six-fold

rCLFor all the cycle lanes and LTNs to encourage people like me to cycle, and
then raise the price, I canrCOt afford it frankly,rCY one cyclist said, after
Cyclehoop announced that the price of storing a bike in its hangars will >>> rise from -u12 to -u72 a year

<snip snivelling rCywoe is me, my subsidy is undonerCO article>

<https://road.cc/content/news/cyclists-slam-council-cutting-bike-hangar-subsidy-307939>

One wonders if the phraseology missed by the article is something along the >> lines of rCyI canrCOt afford these new cycle hangar fees, where am I going to
park my -u12000 carbon-framed bicycle now? And my -u200 aero sunglasses need >> replacingrCO.

The thing, as we know, is that chav-cyclists uniformly and predictably
claim to be the upper stratum of society as far as income is concerned.
That has been a constant mantra from chav-cyclists in this very
newsgroup over many years.

They're all Considerably Richer Than Yow (or me) - or so they claim.

So why would they *need* money out of the poor box to subsidise the
storage of their chav-bikes?

ItrCOs their Inalienable Right?

Inverse Robin Hood syndrome?
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