• How to get rid of an hdmi polling noise from a hi fi?

    From Brian Gaff@brian1gaff@gmail.com to uk.rec.audio on Thu Dec 29 10:45:13 2022
    From Newsgroup: uk.rec.audio

    My Samsung TV is fed from the pc via a via to hdmi adaptor, and t the hdmi cable to the TV. Works well, but the sound card on the pc is rubbish for picking up internal computer noise, so I have an external USB sound device, plugged into a powered hub. Normally this means very good sound in and out
    of the pc. However since connecting the TV even when its in standby, this regular tizzy ticking noise is observable on most inputs from the stereo. Sometimes if you move the plugs on the hdmi cable the noise is much reduced, which makes me think it is probably getting in along a ground path of some sort.
    I've tried all sorts of ways around this, even unwiring the audio from the TV, which is optical to analogue, but never made much difference.
    I have a short wave receiver here and at various places around the band the frizz noise can also be heard, so it has to be rf as well as audio, or is it that the inputs of the amp are in effect detecting the rf?
    Where to go next. The place you really need to get to would be on the hdmi cable or inside the TV I guess, which is a Samsung of recent vintage. The problem is how do you stop rf from travelling along earths of audio leads.

    Brian
    --

    --:
    This newsgroup posting comes to you directly from...
    The Sofa of Brian Gaff...
    briang1@blueyonder.co.uk
    Blind user, so no pictures please
    Note this Signature is meaningless.!


    --- Synchronet 3.21d-Linux NewsLink 1.2
  • From Adrian Caspersz@email@here.invalid to uk.rec.audio on Thu Dec 29 20:26:28 2022
    From Newsgroup: uk.rec.audio

    On 29/12/2022 10:45, Brian Gaff wrote:
    I have a short wave receiver here and at various places around the band the frizz noise can also be heard, so it has to be rf as well as audio, or is it that the inputs of the amp are in effect detecting the rf?
    Where to go next. The place you really need to get to would be on the hdmi cable or inside the TV I guess, which is a Samsung of recent vintage. The problem is how do you stop rf from travelling along earths of audio leads.

    Ferrite core clamps?
    --
    Adrian C
    --- Synchronet 3.21d-Linux NewsLink 1.2
  • From Brian Gaff@brian1gaff@gmail.com to uk.rec.audio on Fri Dec 30 09:05:24 2022
    From Newsgroup: uk.rec.audio

    Well, I have tried one on the hdmi cable near either end with no effect. I think a lot of the issues today is that nothing is ever earthed, or if it is the actual low impedance earth is miles away. So a mixer in the system is earthed, so is the computer course, but the TV and most other things like
    the amp, and other ancillary devices are all two core.
    Just moving cables about affects the loudness and the only way to fix it is to unplug the hdmI at either end, or to pull the mains plug on the TV.
    Neither of which is ideal.
    Brian
    --

    --:
    This newsgroup posting comes to you directly from...
    The Sofa of Brian Gaff...
    briang1@blueyonder.co.uk
    Blind user, so no pictures please
    Note this Signature is meaningless.!
    "Adrian Caspersz" <email@here.invalid> wrote in message news:k16bfkF4vknU1@mid.individual.net...
    On 29/12/2022 10:45, Brian Gaff wrote:
    I have a short wave receiver here and at various places around the band >> the
    frizz noise can also be heard, so it has to be rf as well as audio, or is >> it
    that the inputs of the amp are in effect detecting the rf?
    Where to go next. The place you really need to get to would be on the
    hdmi
    cable or inside the TV I guess, which is a Samsung of recent vintage. The
    problem is how do you stop rf from travelling along earths of audio
    leads.

    Ferrite core clamps?


    --
    Adrian C


    --- Synchronet 3.21d-Linux NewsLink 1.2
  • From Jim Lesurf@noise@audiomisc.co.uk to uk.rec.audio on Thu Dec 29 17:35:55 2022
    From Newsgroup: uk.rec.audio

    Not all HDMI cables are equal. And the transfer method is crap. Some are crappier than others. Have you tried different cables?

    Jim


    In article <tojr3s$9nkh$1@dont-email.me>, Brian Gaff
    <brian1gaff@gmail.com> wrote:
    My Samsung TV is fed from the pc via a via to hdmi adaptor, and t the
    hdmi cable to the TV. Works well, but the sound card on the pc is
    rubbish for picking up internal computer noise, so I have an external
    USB sound device, plugged into a powered hub. Normally this means very
    good sound in and out of the pc. However since connecting the TV even
    when its in standby, this regular tizzy ticking noise is observable on
    most inputs from the stereo. Sometimes if you move the plugs on the hdmi cable the noise is much reduced, which makes me think it is probably
    getting in along a ground path of some sort. I've tried all sorts of
    ways around this, even unwiring the audio from the TV, which is optical
    to analogue, but never made much difference. I have a short wave
    receiver here and at various places around the band the frizz noise can
    also be heard, so it has to be rf as well as audio, or is it that the
    inputs of the amp are in effect detecting the rf? Where to go next. The
    place you really need to get to would be on the hdmi cable or inside
    the TV I guess, which is a Samsung of recent vintage. The problem is
    how do you stop rf from travelling along earths of audio leads.

    Brian
    --
    Please use the address on the audiomisc page if you wish to email me. Electronics https://www.st-andrews.ac.uk/~www_pa/Scots_Guide/intro/electron.htm
    biog http://jcgl.orpheusweb.co.uk/history/ups_and_downs.html
    Audio Misc http://www.audiomisc.co.uk/index.html

    --- Synchronet 3.21d-Linux NewsLink 1.2
  • From Adrian Caspersz@email@here.invalid to uk.rec.audio on Sat Dec 31 10:13:19 2022
    From Newsgroup: uk.rec.audio

    On 29/12/2022 10:45, Brian Gaff wrote:

    Sometimes if you move the plugs on the hdmi cable the noise is much reduced, which makes me think it is probably getting in along a ground path of some sort.
    I've tried all sorts of ways around this, even unwiring the audio from the TV, which is optical to analogue, but never made much difference.

    The audio input of the USB sound device is where I'd install the
    ferrites. Wind the cables round the ferrite cores a couple of times.
    --
    Adrian C
    --- Synchronet 3.21d-Linux NewsLink 1.2
  • From Jim Lesurf@noise@audiomisc.co.uk to uk.rec.audio on Sat Dec 31 12:11:32 2022
    From Newsgroup: uk.rec.audio

    The problems with HDMI start with the insane methods applied.

    1) The signalling system is neither balanced nor grounded unbalanced.

    2) The impedance of the source switches as the data is sent.

    3) The attempts to 'sheild' ajancent parallel pairs carrying *different*
    data patterns can't work unless the shield is much thicker than it probably
    is.

    4) There are also various *different* types of HDMI cable that aren't the
    same. Yet to most user will seem to all be 'HDMI' cables unless they cut
    them open or test them in some way.

    etc.

    So it mainly relies on an HDMI receiver being able to make sense of the
    result when it gets to it.

    Hence a matter of luck what cables with with which device links... or not.
    One person may find a given cable 'good' when another finds is gives weird results or fails.

    The specification documents for it are shambolic.

    Driven by media moguls, not by engineers.

    Jim

    In article <tom9kp$keao$1@dont-email.me>, Brian Gaff
    <brian1gaff@gmail.com> wrote:
    Well, I have tried one on the hdmi cable near either end with no effect.
    I think a lot of the issues today is that nothing is ever earthed, or if
    it is the actual low impedance earth is miles away. So a mixer in the
    system is earthed, so is the computer course, but the TV and most other things like the amp, and other ancillary devices are all two core. Just moving cables about affects the loudness and the only way to fix it is
    to unplug the hdmI at either end, or to pull the mains plug on the TV. Neither of which is ideal. Brian
    --
    Please use the address on the audiomisc page if you wish to email me. Electronics https://www.st-andrews.ac.uk/~www_pa/Scots_Guide/intro/electron.htm
    biog http://jcgl.orpheusweb.co.uk/history/ups_and_downs.html
    Audio Misc http://www.audiomisc.co.uk/index.html

    --- Synchronet 3.21d-Linux NewsLink 1.2
  • From Brian Gaff@brian1gaff@gmail.com to uk.rec.audio on Sat Jan 7 12:25:12 2023
    From Newsgroup: uk.rec.audio

    I am almost certain its the tv though. it seems that if you could actually
    get a really good earth on hdmi and USB connectors there is no issue, but
    that is seemingly not a design feature. Its a heck of a lot worse without plugging the usb sound card into a powered hub though as then its joined by computer fizzes and noises as well.
    At the moment I just unplug the hdmi at the computer end where it is connected to an hdmi to vga adaptor.
    Brian
    --

    --:
    This newsgroup posting comes to you directly from...
    The Sofa of Brian Gaff...
    briang1@blueyonder.co.uk
    Blind user, so no pictures please
    Note this Signature is meaningless.!
    "Adrian Caspersz" <email@here.invalid> wrote in message news:k1aga0Foa2jU1@mid.individual.net...
    On 29/12/2022 10:45, Brian Gaff wrote:

    Sometimes if you move the plugs on the hdmi cable the noise is much
    reduced,
    which makes me think it is probably getting in along a ground path of
    some
    sort.
    I've tried all sorts of ways around this, even unwiring the audio from >> the
    TV, which is optical to analogue, but never made much difference.

    The audio input of the USB sound device is where I'd install the ferrites. Wind the cables round the ferrite cores a couple of times.

    --
    Adrian C


    --- Synchronet 3.21d-Linux NewsLink 1.2