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Train derails near Lewes in East Sussex

https://www.thetimes.com/article/e213021a-4135-4a17-8001-b8d4dde2246a?shareToken=5093aa2fb976625bafe85e3af1779bed


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Recliner <recliner.usenet@gmail.com> wrote:

Train derails near Lewes in East Sussex

https://www.thetimes.com/article/e213021a-4135-4a17-8001-b8d4dde2246a?shareToken=5093aa2fb976625bafe85e3af1779bed

More in:
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/gift/d5a9b325ff86992e

It looks quite bad
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Recliner <recliner.usenet@gmail.com> wrote:

Recliner <recliner.usenet@gmail.com> wrote:

Train derails near Lewes in East Sussex

https://www.thetimes.com/article/e213021a-4135-4a17-8001-b8d4dde2246a?shareToken=5093aa2fb976625bafe85e3af1779bed

More in:
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/gift/d5a9b325ff86992e

It looks quite bad

Another picture here

https://www.itv.com/news/meridian/2026-08-13/train-derails-near-lewes-station-with-people-warned-to-avoid-the-area

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Recliner wrote:

More in:
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/gift/d5a9b325ff86992e

Track in photo #2 looks rather buckly, could be effect rather than cause ...

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Tweed <usenet.tweed@gmail.com> wrote:

Recliner <recliner.usenet@gmail.com> wrote:

Recliner <recliner.usenet@gmail.com> wrote:

Train derails near Lewes in East Sussex

https://www.thetimes.com/article/e213021a-4135-4a17-8001-b8d4dde2246a?shareToken=5093aa2fb976625bafe85e3af1779bed

More in:
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/gift/d5a9b325ff86992e

It looks quite bad

Another picture here

https://www.itv.com/news/meridian/2026-08-13/train-derails-near-lewes-station-with-people-warned-to-avoid-the-area

And here

https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/40052740/train-derails-emergency-services-flood-track-line-closed/


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In message <115kpji$1p6er$1@dont-email.me>, at 15:58:42 on Thu, 13 Aug
2026, Tweed <usenet.tweed@gmail.com> remarked:

Recliner <recliner.usenet@gmail.com> wrote:

Recliner <recliner.usenet@gmail.com> wrote:

Train derails near Lewes in East Sussex


https://www.thetimes.com/article/e213021a-4135-4a17-8001-b8d4dde2246a? >>>shareToken=5093aa2fb976625bafe85e3af1779bed

More in:
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/gift/d5a9b325ff86992e

It looks quite bad

Another picture here

https://www.itv.com/news/meridian/2026-08-13/train-derails-near-lewes-st >ation-with-people-warned-to-avoid-the-area

The chances of it being fixed by 10pm (as some statements claim) seems
highly implausible.
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Roland Perry wrote:

The chances of it being fixed by 10pm (as some statements claim)

Probably because that's what NR said

<https://nationalrail.co.uk/service-disruptions/lewes-20260813>

seems highly implausible.

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On 13/08/2026 17:04, Andy Burns wrote:

Recliner wrote:

More in:
-a https://www.telegraph.co.uk/gift/d5a9b325ff86992e

Track in photo #2 looks rather buckly, could be effect rather than
cause ...

Given the the wheel flanges are on the inside edges of the rails, is it
likely that the act of derailment would have forced one of the rails
closer to the centre line of the track (towards the LHS in the photo)
rather that forcing the rail in the direction that the overturned
carriage took (towards the RHS)?

Am I barking up the wrong tree? Or does that suggest cause rather than
effect?

What is the rail temperature that CWR is tensioned for, beyond which
thermal expansion is likely to be a problem if the rail fastenings are compromised?

Sounds as if there are no serious injuries or fatalities. Was the train slowing for Lewes station or still accelerating away from it?
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On 13/08/2026 17:47, NY wrote:

Was the train slowing for Lewes station or still accelerating away from it?

Ah. BBC have just reported that it was 14:24 Victoria to Eastbourne, so
it was slowing for Lewes station. Unfortunately their map doesn't show
the location - ie how *far* north of the station it was.
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On 13/08/2026 16:58, Tweed wrote:

Recliner <recliner.usenet@gmail.com> wrote:

Recliner <recliner.usenet@gmail.com> wrote:

Train derails near Lewes in East Sussex

https://www.thetimes.com/article/e213021a-4135-4a17-8001-b8d4dde2246a?shareToken=5093aa2fb976625bafe85e3af1779bed

More in:
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/gift/d5a9b325ff86992e

It looks quite bad

Another picture here

https://www.itv.com/news/meridian/2026-08-13/train-derails-near-lewes-station-with-people-warned-to-avoid-the-area

This seems to be the least bad coverage of a railway incident for a while.
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In message <115krk4$1pveg$1@andyburns.eternal-september.org>, at
17:34:23 on Thu, 13 Aug 2026, Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> remarked: >Roland Perry wrote:

The chances of it being fixed by 10pm (as some statements claim)

Probably because that's what NR said

<https://nationalrail.co.uk/service-disruptions/lewes-20260813>

seems highly implausible.

"Roland's Law": As an absolute minimum take Network Rail's estimate and
double it.

I'd expect RAIB to have the site taped off for a least three days.
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In message <115ksun$1qcbl$1@dont-email.me>, at 17:55:50 on Thu, 13 Aug
2026, NY <me@privacy.net> remarked:

On 13/08/2026 17:47, NY wrote:

Was the train slowing for Lewes station or still accelerating away from it?

Ah. BBC have just reported that it was 14:24 Victoria to Eastbourne,

1F34.

so it was slowing for Lewes station. Unfortunately their map doesn't
show the location - ie how *far* north of the station it was.

RTT has it 26 late at Lewis, whereas Opentraintimes map shows it just
north of the station, having negotiated the Hamsey level crossing.

It's not unusual for real-time information to claim a train is at a
station, when it hasn't quite got there yet.

Looks as if they might be able to re-open platforms 3, 4 and 5 later,
with just platforms 1 & 2 awaiting recovery of the derailed train.
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In message <VlletIGAuffqFArV@perry.uk>, at 18:14:40 on Thu, 13 Aug 2026, Roland Perry <roland@perry.uk> remarked:

In message <115ksun$1qcbl$1@dont-email.me>, at 17:55:50 on Thu, 13 Aug
2026, NY <me@privacy.net> remarked:

On 13/08/2026 17:47, NY wrote:

Was the train slowing for Lewes station or still accelerating away from it? >>

Ah. BBC have just reported that it was 14:24 Victoria to Eastbourne,

1F34.

so it was slowing for Lewes station. Unfortunately their map doesn't
show the location - ie how *far* north of the station it was.

RTT has it 26 late at Lewis, whereas Opentraintimes map shows it just
north of the station, having negotiated the Hamsey level crossing.

It's not unusual for real-time information to claim a train is at a
station, when it hasn't quite got there yet.

Looks as if they might be able to re-open platforms 3, 4 and 5 later,
with just platforms 1 & 2 awaiting recovery of the derailed train.

The time reported for the derailment is six minutes after the train left Cooksbridge, a trip the WTT says should take five minutes.
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NY <me@privacy.net> wrote:

On 13/08/2026 17:47, NY wrote:

Was the train slowing for Lewes station or still accelerating away from it?

Ah. BBC have just reported that it was 14:24 Victoria to Eastbourne, so
it was slowing for Lewes station. Unfortunately their map doesn't show
the location - ie how *far* north of the station it was.

One of the links above has a map - sorry, canrCOt remember which one - but it seems to be about a mile north of the station, where the railway runs
parallel to the River Ouse.

Sam
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On 13/08/2026 18:29, Sam Wilson wrote:

NY <me@privacy.net> wrote:

On 13/08/2026 17:47, NY wrote:

Was the train slowing for Lewes station or still accelerating away from it? >>

Ah. BBC have just reported that it was 14:24 Victoria to Eastbourne, so
it was slowing for Lewes station. Unfortunately their map doesn't show
the location - ie how *far* north of the station it was.

One of the links above has a map - sorry, canrCOt remember which one - but it seems to be about a mile north of the station, where the railway runs parallel to the River Ouse.

From this photo on the BBC site

https://ichef.bbci.co.uk/ace/standard/800/cpsprodpb/vivo/live/images/2026/8/13/00f1f22a-eb7f-4453-87b4-7350bc7b2b4b.png.webp

and comparison with Google aerial photos

https://maps.app.goo.gl/gs9CGEPS6vWhWxLQ9

specifically the curve in the field and the woodland next to the
railway, it looks as if the location may be roughly level with the De La
Warr Green junction with Landport Road.
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On 13/08/2026 16:51, Recliner wrote:

Train derails near Lewes in East Sussex

https://www.thetimes.com/article/e213021a-4135-4a17-8001-b8d4dde2246a?shareToken=5093aa2fb976625bafe85e3af1779bed

These are aerial photos - screengrabs from Meridian (ITV) local news

https://i.postimg.cc/gjWX7sMF/vlcsnap-2026-08-13-18h44m43s368.png https://i.postimg.cc/8cmJgv36/vlcsnap-2026-08-13-18h45m43s970.png
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On 13/08/2026 16:51, Recliner wrote:

Train derails near Lewes in East Sussex

https://www.thetimes.com/article/e213021a-4135-4a17-8001-b8d4dde2246a?shareToken=5093aa2fb976625bafe85e3af1779bed

The front unit looks to be the GBR liviered one. I bet a lot of people
are happy that that one didn't fall over.
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In message <115l03c$1rhf3$1@dont-email.me>, at 18:49:31 on Thu, 13 Aug
2026, NY <me@privacy.net> remarked:

On 13/08/2026 16:51, Recliner wrote:

Train derails near Lewes in East Sussex

https://www.thetimes.com/article/e213021a-4135-4a17-8001-b8d4dde2246a?s >>hareToken=5093aa2fb976625bafe85e3af1779bed

These are aerial photos - screengrabs from Meridian (ITV) local news

https://i.postimg.cc/gjWX7sMF/vlcsnap-2026-08-13-18h44m43s368.png >https://i.postimg.cc/8cmJgv36/vlcsnap-2026-08-13-18h45m43s970.png

Passengers now reporting it took 20 minutes for emergency services to
arrive, but at least that's better than average.
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Roland Perry
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Arthur Figgis <afiggis@example.invalid> wrote:

On 13/08/2026 16:51, Recliner wrote:

Train derails near Lewes in East Sussex

https://www.thetimes.com/article/e213021a-4135-4a17-8001-b8d4dde2246a?shareToken=5093aa2fb976625bafe85e3af1779bed

The front unit looks to be the GBR liviered one. I bet a lot of people
are happy that that one didn't fall over.

Would I be right in thinking the rear unit that derailed was a 379,
recently transferred to SN, and still mainly in GN livery?

In an eight car train like this, I wonder how the driver becomes aware that
the last three carriages have separated and rolled off the tracks?
Apparently the first announcement, presumably by the OBS, was quite
jocular:

A passenger said: rCLThe first announcement was effectively saying we donrCOt know why the train has had an abrupt stop.

rCLThe announcement was relatively jovial in that the man came on and said thererCOs going to be a delay to the service, and we were pretty aware that that was the case.

rCLThen there was no communication. They didnrCOt really know what was going on. They came by, just checked people were safe. But there wasnrCOt ongoing communication. IrCOd say it took about 20 minutes to half an hour for any of the emergency services to turn up.rCY

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In message <UV3eBADL9efqFAYd@perry.uk>, at 17:22:35 on Thu, 13 Aug 2026, Roland Perry <roland@perry.uk> remarked:

It looks quite bad

Another picture here

https://www.itv.com/news/meridian/2026-08-13/train-derails-near-lewes-st >>ation-with-people-warned-to-avoid-the-area

The chances of it being fixed by 10pm (as some statements claim) seems >highly implausible.

Now updated to closed "until further notice".
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Roland Perry <roland@perry.uk> posted:

In message <115kpji$1p6er$1@dont-email.me>, at 15:58:42 on Thu, 13 Aug
2026, Tweed <usenet.tweed@gmail.com> remarked:

Recliner <recliner.usenet@gmail.com> wrote:

Recliner <recliner.usenet@gmail.com> wrote:

Train derails near Lewes in East Sussex

https://www.thetimes.com/article/e213021a-4135-4a17-8001-b8d4dde2246a? >>>shareToken=5093aa2fb976625bafe85e3af1779bed

More in:
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/gift/d5a9b325ff86992e

It looks quite bad

Another picture here

https://www.itv.com/news/meridian/2026-08-13/train-derails-near-lewes-st >ation-with-people-warned-to-avoid-the-area

The chances of it being fixed by 10pm (as some statements claim) seems highly implausible.

I read (something like): allow 60 minutes for travel in the area.

Hm. Not even 60 extra minutes.
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Recliner <recliner.usenet@gmail.com> wrote:

Arthur Figgis <afiggis@example.invalid> wrote:

On 13/08/2026 16:51, Recliner wrote:

Train derails near Lewes in East Sussex

https://www.thetimes.com/article/e213021a-4135-4a17-8001-b8d4dde2246a?shareToken=5093aa2fb976625bafe85e3af1779bed

The front unit looks to be the GBR liviered one. I bet a lot of people
are happy that that one didn't fall over.

Would I be right in thinking the rear unit that derailed was a 379,
recently transferred to SN, and still mainly in GN livery?

No, it was an ex-C2C 387.
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Anna Noyd-Dryver <anna@noyd-dryver.com> wrote:

Recliner <recliner.usenet@gmail.com> wrote:

Arthur Figgis <afiggis@example.invalid> wrote:

On 13/08/2026 16:51, Recliner wrote:

Train derails near Lewes in East Sussex

https://www.thetimes.com/article/e213021a-4135-4a17-8001-b8d4dde2246a?shareToken=5093aa2fb976625bafe85e3af1779bed

The front unit looks to be the GBR liviered one. I bet a lot of people
are happy that that one didn't fall over.

Would I be right in thinking the rear unit that derailed was a 379,
recently transferred to SN, and still mainly in GN livery?

No, it was an ex-C2C 387.

Yes, IrCOve subsequently discovered that. I think both units were 387s?

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Sunday 16 Aug 2026

A statement from Network Rail and Southern Rail.

The railway between Lewes and Haywards Heath will remain closed for at
least another ten days while teams recover the derailed train and begin
repairs to the railway.

Customers travelling next week, and in the weeks ahead, are advised to
check before they travel and, where possible, use alternative train
services via Brighton.

Rail replacement buses will run between Lewes and Haywards Heath, serving Cooksbridge and Plumpton. These buses have limited capacity, so customers travelling to other stations should travel via Brighton instead.

The closure follows the derailment of a Southern train near Lewes on
Thursday 13 August.

Travel advice

The railway between Lewes and Haywards Heath will remain closed for at
least another ten days. Rail replacement buses will run between Lewes and Haywards Heath, serving Cooksbridge and Plumpton. Customers making other journeys are advised to travel by train via Brighton where possible.

Tickets will be accepted on relevant alternative Southern, Thameslink and Southeastern services as well as Brighton & Hove Buses and London
Underground services between London terminal stations.

Journey planning apps and websites are being updated at least one day in advance for each following day. Customers are advised to check live travel updates before they travel.

If customers would prefer to postpone their journey until the line is
reopened, their ticket will remain valid for travel and can be used at a
later date. It will also be accepted by all other operators on the day of travel.

For the latest Southern rail travel information please visit: https://www.southernrailway.com/

Recovery operation

The Rail Accident and Investigation Branch (RAIB) completed its work on
site on Saturday and has now handed the site back to Network Rail. RAIBrCOs investigation into the derailment continues.

A complex recovery operation is now under way. Three carriages derailed and slid part-way down the embankment. These will need to be carefully lifted
away by crane.

The location makes this particularly difficult. The railway is close to a river, in a Site of Special Scientific Interest, and restricted road access
is only via a residential area. As much specialist equipment as possible is being brought to the site by rail given the challenges of access by road.

Engineers are now preparing the site for two 125-tonne rail-mounted cranes, among the largest cranes available for use on the railway. Before lifting
can begin, teams must make sure the ground and railway are stable and
strong enough to safely support the cranes and the weight of the carriages.

Once the train has been removed, engineers will be able to fully assess the damage to the railway and understand the scale of the repair work needed
before services can resume safely.

The railway is working with Lewes District Council and other partners throughout the recovery. This work is taking place near to homes and
wildlife, and the team is engaging closely with the local community as this sensitive work takes place. The rail industry is grateful to local
communities for their support.

John Whitehurst, Chief Executive Officer of Greater Thameslink Railway
(GTR), which operates Southern Railway, said: rCLIt has been an incredibly difficult time for our customers and colleagues, and our thoughts remain
with everyone affected by this, particularly the family and friends of
those who have been injured.

"We recognise the impact this incident will have on customers' journeys in
the days ahead, and we're working closely with Network Rail to do
everything we can to keep customers moving while recovery work continues
and the railway is restored safely. We know this recovery effort is not
only affecting rail customers, but also local communities around Lewes, and
I'd like to thank them for their patience and understanding while our teams work to restore the railway.

"We're providing replacement transport where needed and deploying
additional colleagues at stations to support customers and help them
complete their journeys. I thank customers for their patience and
understanding while the railway recovers from this incident."

Lucy McAuliffe, Network RailrCOs Sussex Route Director, said: rCLThis is a complex recovery operation in a very difficult location, and our teams are working hard to recover the carriages and repair the railway, to resume services safely as soon as we can.

rCLWe know the closure is disruptive and the recovery work also affects
people living close to the railway. IrCOm grateful for the support and understanding of the local community while we carry out this work, and for
the patience of our customers during this time. We are working around the
clock to get this done. We will share more updates as the recovery work progresses.rCY

ENDS
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On 16/08/2026 19:33, Recliner wrote:

Sunday 16 Aug 2026

A statement from Network Rail and Southern Rail.

The railway between Lewes and Haywards Heath will remain closed for at
least another ten days while teams recover the derailed train and begin repairs to the railway.

I knew that "by 10 pm" (on the day of the crash) was wildly optimistic.

10 more days is a long time. NR must have serious concerns about the
state of the trackbed and estimate that it will take a long time to
remove the carriages and relay new track.

It will be interesting to read the RAIB report, in the light of the
track reportedly being inspected (and presumably passing inspection) the
day before.
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In message <115t3h4$ehmc$1@dont-email.me>, at 20:37:08 on Sun, 16 Aug
2026, NY <me@privacy.net> remarked:

On 16/08/2026 19:33, Recliner wrote:

Sunday 16 Aug 2026
A statement from Network Rail and Southern Rail.
The railway between Lewes and Haywards Heath will remain closed for
at
least another ten days while teams recover the derailed train and begin
repairs to the railway.

I knew that "by 10 pm" (on the day of the crash) was wildly optimistic.

10 more days is a long time. NR must have serious concerns about the
state of the trackbed and estimate that it will take a long time to
remove the carriages and relay new track.

It will be interesting to read the RAIB report, in the light of the
track reportedly being inspected (and presumably passing inspection)
the day before.

Most reports I've read said the track which was inspected was the
northbound side only, not the southbound one with the derailment.
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On 16/08/2026 21:28, Roland Perry wrote:

In message <115t3h4$ehmc$1@dont-email.me>, at 20:37:08 on Sun, 16 Aug
2026, NY <me@privacy.net> remarked:

It will be interesting to read the RAIB report, in the light of the
track reportedly being inspected (and presumably passing inspection)
the day before.

Most reports I've read said the track which was inspected was the
northbound side only, not the southbound one with the derailment.

Ah, hadn't seen that it was northbound only.

Does "inspection" normally mean with a track inspection train or by
walking the line?
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In message <115t895$g3ri$1@dont-email.me>, at 21:58:13 on Sun, 16 Aug
2026, NY <me@privacy.net> remarked:

On 16/08/2026 21:28, Roland Perry wrote:

In message <115t3h4$ehmc$1@dont-email.me>, at 20:37:08 on Sun, 16 Aug >>2026, NY <me@privacy.net> remarked:

It will be interesting to read the RAIB report, in the light of the >>>track reportedly being inspected (and presumably passing inspection)
the day before.

Most reports I've read said the track which was inspected was the >>northbound side only, not the southbound one with the derailment.

Ah, hadn't seen that it was northbound only.

Does "inspection" normally mean with a track inspection train or by
walking the line?

The reports don't say, but the flying-banana seems most likely, because
if you were walking I don't understand why you couldn't do both sides at
once.
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In message <aongS.997$tLd9.352@fx13.ams1>, at 18:33:42 on Sun, 16 Aug
2026, Recliner <recliner.usenet@gmail.com> remarked:

The railway between Lewes and Haywards Heath will remain closed for at
least another ten days. Rail replacement buses will run between Lewes and >Haywards Heath, serving Cooksbridge and Plumpton. Customers making other >journeys are advised to travel by train via Brighton where possible.

Yes, the latest update is "at least until 26th August".
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On Mon, 17 Aug 2026 02:45:52 +0100, Roland Perry <roland@perry.uk>
wrote:

In message <115t895$g3ri$1@dont-email.me>, at 21:58:13 on Sun, 16 Aug
2026, NY <me@privacy.net> remarked:

On 16/08/2026 21:28, Roland Perry wrote:

In message <115t3h4$ehmc$1@dont-email.me>, at 20:37:08 on Sun, 16 Aug >>>2026, NY <me@privacy.net> remarked:

It will be interesting to read the RAIB report, in the light of the >>>>track reportedly being inspected (and presumably passing inspection) >>>>the day before.

Most reports I've read said the track which was inspected was the >>>northbound side only, not the southbound one with the derailment.

Ah, hadn't seen that it was northbound only.

Does "inspection" normally mean with a track inspection train or by >>walking the line?

The reports don't say, but the flying-banana seems most likely, because
if you were walking I don't understand why you couldn't do both sides at >once.

Human train drivers passing over the track at least every 30 minutes
in each direction provides a comprehensive, if not formal, inspection.
Whatever the cause of the derailment there was (so far as we know)
nothing that stood out to the drivers of earlier services.
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In message <gii58l1vbeumnfonftd0ksec7llajj4jr0@4ax.com>, at 09:48:15 on
Mon, 17 Aug 2026, Trolleybus <ken@birchanger.com> remarked:

On Mon, 17 Aug 2026 02:45:52 +0100, Roland Perry <roland@perry.uk>
wrote:

In message <115t895$g3ri$1@dont-email.me>, at 21:58:13 on Sun, 16 Aug
2026, NY <me@privacy.net> remarked:

On 16/08/2026 21:28, Roland Perry wrote:

In message <115t3h4$ehmc$1@dont-email.me>, at 20:37:08 on Sun, 16 Aug >>>>2026, NY <me@privacy.net> remarked:

It will be interesting to read the RAIB report, in the light of the >>>>>track reportedly being inspected (and presumably passing inspection) >>>>>the day before.

Most reports I've read said the track which was inspected was the >>>>northbound side only, not the southbound one with the derailment.

Ah, hadn't seen that it was northbound only.

Does "inspection" normally mean with a track inspection train or by >>>walking the line?

The reports don't say, but the flying-banana seems most likely, because
if you were walking I don't understand why you couldn't do both sides at >>once.

Human train drivers passing over the track at least every 30 minutes
in each direction provides a comprehensive, if not formal, inspection. >Whatever the cause of the derailment there was (so far as we know)
nothing that stood out to the drivers of earlier services.

The drivers get used to the "roller coaster tracks" for example on the
Fen Line, and won't necessarily know when it's got so bad the train
behind them has a risk of derailing.
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Roland Perry
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On 17/08/2026 09:48, Trolleybus wrote:

Human train drivers passing over the track at least every 30 minutes
in each direction provides a comprehensive, if not formal, inspection. Whatever the cause of the derailment there was (so far as we know)
nothing that stood out to the drivers of earlier services.

And that is a very important point: drivers of earlier services would
have seen and felt any distortion of the track, and reported it.

Evidently it's not thought to be a systematic problem that could affect
other track, because there's been no info about blanket speed limits in
places as there was after (I think) the Hatfield crash a couple of
decades ago.

When track is CWR with expansion joints every so often, are the rails
held firmly at intervening chairs, both for lateral and longitudinal (expansion) movement, or do the chairs only prevent lateral movement
while allowing longitudinal movement due to thermal expansion?
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Roland Perry <roland@perry.uk> posted:

In message <gii58l1vbeumnfonftd0ksec7llajj4jr0@4ax.com>, at 09:48:15 on
Mon, 17 Aug 2026, Trolleybus <ken@birchanger.com> remarked:

On Mon, 17 Aug 2026 02:45:52 +0100, Roland Perry <roland@perry.uk>
wrote:

In message <115t895$g3ri$1@dont-email.me>, at 21:58:13 on Sun, 16 Aug >>2026, NY <me@privacy.net> remarked:

On 16/08/2026 21:28, Roland Perry wrote:

In message <115t3h4$ehmc$1@dont-email.me>, at 20:37:08 on Sun, 16 Aug >>>>2026, NY <me@privacy.net> remarked:

It will be interesting to read the RAIB report, in the light of the >>>>>track reportedly being inspected (and presumably passing inspection) >>>>>the day before.

Most reports I've read said the track which was inspected was the >>>>northbound side only, not the southbound one with the derailment.

Ah, hadn't seen that it was northbound only.

Does "inspection" normally mean with a track inspection train or by >>>walking the line?

The reports don't say, but the flying-banana seems most likely, because >>if you were walking I don't understand why you couldn't do both sides at >>once.

Human train drivers passing over the track at least every 30 minutes
in each direction provides a comprehensive, if not formal, inspection. >Whatever the cause of the derailment there was (so far as we know)
nothing that stood out to the drivers of earlier services.

The drivers get used to the "roller coaster tracks" for example on the
Fen Line

BTW, High Fens started to burn down next to our border...
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NY <me@privacy.net> posted:

On 17/08/2026 09:48, Trolleybus wrote:

Human train drivers passing over the track at least every 30 minutes
in each direction provides a comprehensive, if not formal, inspection. Whatever the cause of the derailment there was (so far as we know)
nothing that stood out to the drivers of earlier services.

And that is a very important point: drivers of earlier services would
have seen and felt any distortion of the track, and reported it.

Did not prevent
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Burgrain_train_derailment
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