Notwithstanding the fake news of re-nationalisation being trotted out
over and over again (and many of the problems arise from
long-nationalised Network Rail), a viewpoint from social media:
"South Western Railway has seen service disruption rise sharply since
being brought into public ownership in May 2025, the first train
operator to make that switch.
In the first three months under government control, cancellations rose around 50% and delay minutes per 100 miles rose 29%, despite the network running a reduced timetable over the summer.
The number of trains arriving 30-60 minutes late more than doubled.
The government's own explanation is that these issues stem from long-standing problems inherited from the previous private operator, not from public ownership itself.
Critics of the wider nationalisation programme have pointed to the
figures as an early warning sign, though it's genuinely too early to
know whether this reflects a real structural problem or teething trouble during a major operational handover."
As people pointed out in the comments, it's the same people actually
running the trains, just now employed for life as public sector workers. Unless they want to spend more time with their families, having failed
to get wonky Italian-built Hitachi trains into service.
Roland Perry <roland@perry.uk> wrote:
Notwithstanding the fake news of re-nationalisation being trotted out
over and over again (and many of the problems arise from
long-nationalised Network Rail), a viewpoint from social media:
"South Western Railway has seen service disruption rise sharply since
being brought into public ownership in May 2025, the first train
operator to make that switch.
In the first three months under government control, cancellations rose
around 50% and delay minutes per 100 miles rose 29%, despite the network
running a reduced timetable over the summer.
The number of trains arriving 30-60 minutes late more than doubled.
The government's own explanation is that these issues stem from
long-standing problems inherited from the previous private operator, not
from public ownership itself.
Critics of the wider nationalisation programme have pointed to the
figures as an early warning sign, though it's genuinely too early to
know whether this reflects a real structural problem or teething trouble
during a major operational handover."
As people pointed out in the comments, it's the same people actually
running the trains, just now employed for life as public sector workers.
Unless they want to spend more time with their families, having failed
to get wonky Italian-built Hitachi trains into service.
Not much use quoting social media without said SM providing the sources of >their claims. 86.764% of social media statistics are made up.
In message <115jsb8$1eu51$1@dont-email.me>, at 07:39:20 on Thu, 13 Aug
2026, Tweed <usenet.tweed@gmail.com> remarked:
Roland Perry <roland@perry.uk> wrote:
Notwithstanding the fake news of re-nationalisation being trotted out
over and over again (and many of the problems arise from
long-nationalised Network Rail), a viewpoint from social media:
"South Western Railway has seen service disruption rise sharply since
being brought into public ownership in May 2025, the first train
operator to make that switch.
In the first three months under government control, cancellations rose
around 50% and delay minutes per 100 miles rose 29%, despite the network >>> running a reduced timetable over the summer.
The number of trains arriving 30-60 minutes late more than doubled.
The government's own explanation is that these issues stem from
long-standing problems inherited from the previous private operator, not >>> from public ownership itself.
Critics of the wider nationalisation programme have pointed to the
figures as an early warning sign, though it's genuinely too early to
know whether this reflects a real structural problem or teething trouble >>> during a major operational handover."
As people pointed out in the comments, it's the same people actually
running the trains, just now employed for life as public sector workers. >>> Unless they want to spend more time with their families, having failed
to get wonky Italian-built Hitachi trains into service.
Not much use quoting social media without said SM providing the sources of >> their claims. 86.764% of social media statistics are made up.
You could always dispute the main claims, with your own research.
Starting with the 50% and 29% figures stated above.
Notwithstanding the fake news of re-nationalisation being trotted out
over and over again (and many of the problems arise from
long-nationalised Network Rail), a viewpoint from social media:
"South Western Railway has seen service disruption rise sharply since
being brought into public ownership in May 2025, the first train
operator to make that switch.
In the first three months under government control, cancellations rose around 50% and delay minutes per 100 miles rose 29%, despite the network running a reduced timetable over the summer.
The number of trains arriving 30-60 minutes late more than doubled.
The government's own explanation is that these issues stem from long-standing problems inherited from the previous private operator, not from public ownership itself.
Critics of the wider nationalisation programme have pointed to the
figures as an early warning sign, though it's genuinely too early to
know whether this reflects a real structural problem or teething trouble during a major operational handover."
As people pointed out in the comments, it's the same people actually
running the trains, just now employed for life as public sector workers. Unless they want to spend more time with their families, having failed
to get wonky Italian-built Hitachi trains into service.
Roland Perry <roland@perry.uk> wrote:
Notwithstanding the fake news of re-nationalisation being trotted out
over and over again (and many of the problems arise from
long-nationalised Network Rail), a viewpoint from social media:
"South Western Railway has seen service disruption rise sharply since
being brought into public ownership in May 2025, the first train
operator to make that switch.
In the first three months under government control, cancellations rose
around 50% and delay minutes per 100 miles rose 29%, despite the network
running a reduced timetable over the summer.
The number of trains arriving 30-60 minutes late more than doubled.
The government's own explanation is that these issues stem from
long-standing problems inherited from the previous private operator, not
from public ownership itself.
Critics of the wider nationalisation programme have pointed to the
figures as an early warning sign, though it's genuinely too early to
know whether this reflects a real structural problem or teething trouble
during a major operational handover."
As people pointed out in the comments, it's the same people actually
running the trains, just now employed for life as public sector workers.
Unless they want to spend more time with their families, having failed
to get wonky Italian-built Hitachi trains into service.
Not much use quoting social media without said SM providing the sources of their claims. 86.764% of social media statistics are made up.
In message <115jsb8$1eu51$1@dont-email.me>, at 07:39:20 on Thu, 13 Aug
2026, Tweed <usenet.tweed@gmail.com> remarked:
Roland Perry <roland@perry.uk> wrote:
Notwithstanding the fake news of re-nationalisation being trotted out
over and over again (and many of the problems arise from
long-nationalised Network Rail), a viewpoint from social media:
"South Western Railway has seen service disruption rise sharply since
being brought into public ownership in May 2025, the first train
operator to make that switch.
In the first three months under government control, cancellations rose
around 50% and delay minutes per 100 miles rose 29%, despite the network >>> running a reduced timetable over the summer.
The number of trains arriving 30-60 minutes late more than doubled.
The government's own explanation is that these issues stem from
long-standing problems inherited from the previous private operator, not >>> from public ownership itself.
Not much use quoting social media without said SM providing the sources of >> their claims. 86.764% of social media statistics are made up.
You could always dispute the main claims, with your own research. Starting with the 50% and 29% figures stated above.
On 13/08/2026 09:11, Roland Perry wrote:
In message <115jsb8$1eu51$1@dont-email.me>, at 07:39:20 on Thu, 13 Aug
2026, Tweed <usenet.tweed@gmail.com> remarked:
Roland Perry <roland@perry.uk> wrote:
Notwithstanding the fake news of re-nationalisation being trotted out
over and over again (and many of the problems arise from
long-nationalised Network Rail), a viewpoint from social media:
"South Western Railway has seen service disruption rise sharply since
being brought into public ownership in May 2025, the first train
operator to make that switch.
In the first three months under government control, cancellations rose >>>> around 50% and delay minutes per 100 miles rose 29%, despite the network >>>> running a reduced timetable over the summer.
The number of trains arriving 30-60 minutes late more than doubled.
The government's own explanation is that these issues stem from
long-standing problems inherited from the previous private operator, not >>>> from public ownership itself.
Not much use quoting social media without said SM providing the sources of >>> their claims. 86.764% of social media statistics are made up.
They seem to have been reported by Reach etc. at the time.
You could always dispute the main claims, with your own research. Starting >> with the 50% and 29% figures stated above.
Cancellations: Jul-Sep 2025 4.1%, Apr-Jun 2025 3.4% so not a 50% increase
https://dataportal.orr.gov.uk/statistics/performance/passenger-rail-performance/
Roland Perry <roland@perry.uk> wrote:
In message <115jsb8$1eu51$1@dont-email.me>, at 07:39:20 on Thu, 13 Aug
2026, Tweed <usenet.tweed@gmail.com> remarked:
Roland Perry <roland@perry.uk> wrote:
Notwithstanding the fake news of re-nationalisation being trotted out
over and over again (and many of the problems arise from
long-nationalised Network Rail), a viewpoint from social media:
"South Western Railway has seen service disruption rise sharply since
being brought into public ownership in May 2025, the first train
operator to make that switch.
In the first three months under government control, cancellations rose >>>> around 50% and delay minutes per 100 miles rose 29%, despite the network >>>> running a reduced timetable over the summer.
The number of trains arriving 30-60 minutes late more than doubled.
The government's own explanation is that these issues stem from
long-standing problems inherited from the previous private operator, not >>>> from public ownership itself.
Critics of the wider nationalisation programme have pointed to the
figures as an early warning sign, though it's genuinely too early to
know whether this reflects a real structural problem or teething trouble >>>> during a major operational handover."
As people pointed out in the comments, it's the same people actually
running the trains, just now employed for life as public sector workers. >>>> Unless they want to spend more time with their families, having failed >>>> to get wonky Italian-built Hitachi trains into service.
Not much use quoting social media without said SM providing the sources of >>> their claims. 86.764% of social media statistics are made up.
You could always dispute the main claims, with your own research.
Starting with the 50% and 29% figures stated above.
Well I could, but IrCOm not doing your homework for you.
Statistics aside, the railways will remain in a permanent state of >revolution. I donrCOt think any generation has been happy with the state of >GB railways since the day they were invented. We will continue along the
path of seeking the ultimate structural reorganisation and being
perpetually disappointed.
On 13/08/2026 09:11, Roland Perry wrote:
In message <115jsb8$1eu51$1@dont-email.me>, at 07:39:20 on Thu, 13
Aug 2026, Tweed <usenet.tweed@gmail.com> remarked:
Roland Perry <roland@perry.uk> wrote:
Notwithstanding the fake news of re-nationalisation being trotted out
over and over again (and many of the problems arise from
long-nationalised Network Rail), a viewpoint from social media:
"South Western Railway has seen service disruption rise sharply since
being brought into public ownership in May 2025, the first train
operator to make that switch.
In the first three months under government control, cancellations rose >>>> around 50% and delay minutes per 100 miles rose 29%, despite the network >>>> running a reduced timetable over the summer.
The number of trains arriving 30-60 minutes late more than doubled.
The government's own explanation is that these issues stem from
long-standing problems inherited from the previous private operator, not >>>> from public ownership itself.
Not much use quoting social media without said SM providing the sources of >>> their claims. 86.764% of social media statistics are made up.
They seem to have been reported by Reach etc. at the time.
You could always dispute the main claims, with your own research. >>Starting with the 50% and 29% figures stated above.
Cancellations: Jul-Sep 2025 4.1%, Apr-Jun 2025 3.4% so not a 50% increase
https://dataportal.orr.gov.uk/statistics/performance/passenger-rail-perf >ormance/--
Roland Perry <roland@perry.uk> wrote:
Notwithstanding the fake news of re-nationalisation being trotted out
over and over again (and many of the problems arise from
long-nationalised Network Rail), a viewpoint from social media:
"South Western Railway has seen service disruption rise sharply since
being brought into public ownership in May 2025, the first train
operator to make that switch.
In the first three months under government control, cancellations rose
around 50% and delay minutes per 100 miles rose 29%, despite the network
running a reduced timetable over the summer.
The number of trains arriving 30-60 minutes late more than doubled.
The government's own explanation is that these issues stem from
long-standing problems inherited from the previous private operator, not
from public ownership itself.
Critics of the wider nationalisation programme have pointed to the
figures as an early warning sign, though it's genuinely too early to
know whether this reflects a real structural problem or teething trouble
during a major operational handover."
As people pointed out in the comments, it's the same people actually
running the trains, just now employed for life as public sector workers.
Unless they want to spend more time with their families, having failed
to get wonky Italian-built Hitachi trains into service.
SWR doesnrCOt have any Hitachi trains in service or on order.
In message <segfS.3882$yTD7.2514@fx12.ams1>, at 09:36:24 on Thu, 13 Aug 2026, Recliner <recliner.usenet@gmail.com> remarked:
Roland Perry <roland@perry.uk> wrote:
Notwithstanding the fake news of re-nationalisation being trotted out
over and over again (and many of the problems arise from
long-nationalised Network Rail), a viewpoint from social media:
"South Western Railway has seen service disruption rise sharply since
being brought into public ownership in May 2025, the first train
operator to make that switch.
In the first three months under government control, cancellations rose
around 50% and delay minutes per 100 miles rose 29%, despite the network >>> running a reduced timetable over the summer.
The number of trains arriving 30-60 minutes late more than doubled.
The government's own explanation is that these issues stem from
long-standing problems inherited from the previous private operator, not >>> from public ownership itself.
Critics of the wider nationalisation programme have pointed to the
figures as an early warning sign, though it's genuinely too early to
know whether this reflects a real structural problem or teething trouble >>> during a major operational handover."
As people pointed out in the comments, it's the same people actually
running the trains, just now employed for life as public sector workers. >>> Unless they want to spend more time with their families, having failed
to get wonky Italian-built Hitachi trains into service.
SWR doesnrCOt have any Hitachi trains in service or on order.
Please try to keep up! That's EMR.
In message <segfS.3882$yTD7.2514@fx12.ams1>, at 09:36:24 on Thu, 13 Aug 2026, Recliner <recliner.usenet@gmail.com> remarked:
Roland Perry <roland@perry.uk> wrote:
Notwithstanding the fake news of re-nationalisation being trotted out
over and over again (and many of the problems arise from
long-nationalised Network Rail), a viewpoint from social media:
"South Western Railway has seen service disruption rise sharply since
being brought into public ownership in May 2025, the first train
operator to make that switch.
In the first three months under government control, cancellations rose
around 50% and delay minutes per 100 miles rose 29%, despite the network >>> running a reduced timetable over the summer.
The number of trains arriving 30-60 minutes late more than doubled.
The government's own explanation is that these issues stem from
long-standing problems inherited from the previous private operator, not >>> from public ownership itself.
Critics of the wider nationalisation programme have pointed to the
figures as an early warning sign, though it's genuinely too early to
know whether this reflects a real structural problem or teething trouble >>> during a major operational handover."
As people pointed out in the comments, it's the same people actually
running the trains, just now employed for life as public sector workers. >>> Unless they want to spend more time with their families, having failed
to get wonky Italian-built Hitachi trains into service.
SWR doesnrCOt have any Hitachi trains in service or on order.
Please try to keep up! That's EMR.
As people pointed out in the comments, it's the same people actually
running the trains, just now employed for life as public sector workers. >>>> Unless they want to spend more time with their families, having failed >>>> to get wonky Italian-built Hitachi trains into service.
SWR doesnrCOt have any Hitachi trains in service or on order.
Please try to keep up! That's EMR.
You raised Hitachi in your original post.
Roland Perry <roland@perry.uk> wrote:
In message <segfS.3882$yTD7.2514@fx12.ams1>, at 09:36:24 on Thu, 13 Aug
2026, Recliner <recliner.usenet@gmail.com> remarked:
Roland Perry <roland@perry.uk> wrote:
Notwithstanding the fake news of re-nationalisation being trotted out
over and over again (and many of the problems arise from
long-nationalised Network Rail), a viewpoint from social media:
"South Western Railway has seen service disruption rise sharply since
being brought into public ownership in May 2025, the first train
operator to make that switch.
In the first three months under government control, cancellations rose >>>> around 50% and delay minutes per 100 miles rose 29%, despite the network >>>> running a reduced timetable over the summer.
The number of trains arriving 30-60 minutes late more than doubled.
The government's own explanation is that these issues stem from
long-standing problems inherited from the previous private operator, not >>>> from public ownership itself.
Critics of the wider nationalisation programme have pointed to the
figures as an early warning sign, though it's genuinely too early to
know whether this reflects a real structural problem or teething trouble >>>> during a major operational handover."
As people pointed out in the comments, it's the same people actually
running the trains, just now employed for life as public sector workers. >>>> Unless they want to spend more time with their families, having failed >>>> to get wonky Italian-built Hitachi trains into service.
SWR doesnrCOt have any Hitachi trains in service or on order.
Please try to keep up! That's EMR.
So why did you wrongly mention it in a story about the rCynationalisationrCO of
SWR?
EMR hasnrCOt been nationalised, and has a different operator to SWR or SWT. >Even for you, itrCOs impressive to take a thread off-topic in the post that >starts it!
In message <115k755$1ii0j$1@dont-email.me>, at 11:43:48 on Thu, 13 Aug
2026, ColinR <rail@greystane.shetland.co.uk> remarked:
As people pointed out in the comments, it's the same people actually >>>>> running the trains, just now employed for life as public sector workers. >>>>> Unless they want to spend more time with their families, having failed >>>>> to get wonky Italian-built Hitachi trains into service.
SWR doesnrCOt have any Hitachi trains in service or on order.
Please try to keep up! That's EMR.
You raised Hitachi in your original post.
Indeed I did. But if you were following the news, the public employee >deciding to spend more time with his family, used to be in charge at
EMR.
In message <HihfS.2202$zEP6.1822@fx17.ams1>, at 10:49:11 on Thu, 13 Aug >2026, Recliner <recliner.usenet@gmail.com> remarked:
Roland Perry <roland@perry.uk> wrote:
In message <segfS.3882$yTD7.2514@fx12.ams1>, at 09:36:24 on Thu, 13 Aug
2026, Recliner <recliner.usenet@gmail.com> remarked:
Roland Perry <roland@perry.uk> wrote:
Notwithstanding the fake news of re-nationalisation being trotted out >>>>> over and over again (and many of the problems arise from
long-nationalised Network Rail), a viewpoint from social media:
"South Western Railway has seen service disruption rise sharply since >>>>> being brought into public ownership in May 2025, the first train
operator to make that switch.
In the first three months under government control, cancellations rose >>>>> around 50% and delay minutes per 100 miles rose 29%, despite the network >>>>> running a reduced timetable over the summer.
The number of trains arriving 30-60 minutes late more than doubled.
The government's own explanation is that these issues stem from
long-standing problems inherited from the previous private operator, not >>>>> from public ownership itself.
Critics of the wider nationalisation programme have pointed to the
figures as an early warning sign, though it's genuinely too early to >>>>> know whether this reflects a real structural problem or teething trouble >>>>> during a major operational handover."
As people pointed out in the comments, it's the same people actually >>>>> running the trains, just now employed for life as public sector workers. >>>>> Unless they want to spend more time with their families, having failed >>>>> to get wonky Italian-built Hitachi trains into service.
SWR doesnrCOt have any Hitachi trains in service or on order.
Please try to keep up! That's EMR.
So why did you wrongly mention it in a story about the rCynationalisationrCO of
SWR?
EMR hasnrCOt been nationalised, and has a different operator to SWR or SWT. >>Even for you, itrCOs impressive to take a thread off-topic in the post that >>starts it!
Oh dear. Your AI-bot can't keep with the news. Never mind.
On Thu, 13 Aug 2026 12:11:02 +0100, Roland Perry <roland@perry.uk> wrote:
In message <115k755$1ii0j$1@dont-email.me>, at 11:43:48 on Thu, 13 Aug
2026, ColinR <rail@greystane.shetland.co.uk> remarked:
As people pointed out in the comments, it's the same people actually >>>>>> running the trains, just now employed for life as public sector workers. >>>>>> Unless they want to spend more time with their families, having failed >>>>>> to get wonky Italian-built Hitachi trains into service.
SWR doesnrCOt have any Hitachi trains in service or on order.
Please try to keep up! That's EMR.
You raised Hitachi in your original post.
Indeed I did. But if you were following the news, the public employee
deciding to spend more time with his family, used to be in charge at
EMR.
He was fired, because he had the temerity to publicly blame Hitachi for the problems. That's unacceptable to the DfT,
the inventor of the IET, so the TOC was instructed to get rid of him pronto. But Rogers is well regarded in the
industry. Let's hope he's back soon.
Similarly, the highly regarded, very experienced Chris Gibb was fired by the DfT for having the temerity to publicly
question the stupid HS2 train lengths (basically agreeing with me). He, single-handedly knows more about how to run a
railway than the whole DfT.
That is the insidious downside of DfT control: anyone who questions its half-baked pet policies is instantly ejected.
On 13/08/2026 12:34, Recliner wrote:
On Thu, 13 Aug 2026 12:11:02 +0100, Roland Perry <roland@perry.uk> wrote:
In message <115k755$1ii0j$1@dont-email.me>, at 11:43:48 on Thu, 13 Aug
2026, ColinR <rail@greystane.shetland.co.uk> remarked:
As people pointed out in the comments, it's the same people actually >>>>>>> running the trains, just now employed for life as public sector workers.
Unless they want to spend more time with their families, having failed >>>>>>> to get wonky Italian-built Hitachi trains into service.
SWR doesnrCOt have any Hitachi trains in service or on order.
Please try to keep up! That's EMR.
You raised Hitachi in your original post.
Indeed I did. But if you were following the news, the public employee
deciding to spend more time with his family, used to be in charge at
EMR.
He was fired, because he had the temerity to publicly blame Hitachi for the problems. That's unacceptable to the DfT,
the inventor of the IET, so the TOC was instructed to get rid of him pronto. But Rogers is well regarded in the
industry. Let's hope he's back soon.
Similarly, the highly regarded, very experienced Chris Gibb was fired by the DfT for having the temerity to publicly
question the stupid HS2 train lengths (basically agreeing with me). He, single-handedly knows more about how to run a
railway than the whole DfT.
That is the insidious downside of DfT control: anyone who questions its half-baked pet policies is instantly ejected.
That is one of the problems of nationalisation as it occurs in UK.
Instead of letting competent managers get on with managing an
organisation (such as railways), senior civil servants keep meddling
with things outside their technical competence.
I recently attended a talk by Chris Gibb - and the "too short" HS2
trains are considered inadequate by him, but the problem cannot easily
be remedied, because the maintenance depot contract (from DfT) specifies
a depot length only big enough for 8 coach trains. So no easy way to
apply common sense and build trains of adequate length.
So, trains continuing beyond HS2 to places like Liverpool, Glasgow, >Edinburgh, Manchester - currently mostly 11 or 9 coaxh Pendolinos, will
have greatly reduced seating capacity - and DfT apparently wants
compulsory reservations to apply to all HS2 trains. ***
(One advantage of "frequent" train services is supposed to be "turn up
and go", with no need for reservations.)
*** - History repeating itself. The then Trans Pennine operator
apparently wanted at least some of the Class 185 dmus to be longer than
3 coaches , but the DfT-specified Ardwick depot was just long enough to >accomodate 2 x 3 coach units in each track.
Roland Perry <roland@perry.uk> wrote:
In message <segfS.3882$yTD7.2514@fx12.ams1>, at 09:36:24 on Thu, 13 Aug
2026, Recliner <recliner.usenet@gmail.com> remarked:
Roland Perry <roland@perry.uk> wrote:
Notwithstanding the fake news of re-nationalisation being trotted out
over and over again (and many of the problems arise from
long-nationalised Network Rail), a viewpoint from social media:
"South Western Railway has seen service disruption rise sharply since
being brought into public ownership in May 2025, the first train
operator to make that switch.
In the first three months under government control, cancellations rose >>>> around 50% and delay minutes per 100 miles rose 29%, despite the network >>>> running a reduced timetable over the summer.
The number of trains arriving 30-60 minutes late more than doubled.
The government's own explanation is that these issues stem from
long-standing problems inherited from the previous private operator, not >>>> from public ownership itself.
Critics of the wider nationalisation programme have pointed to the
figures as an early warning sign, though it's genuinely too early to
know whether this reflects a real structural problem or teething trouble >>>> during a major operational handover."
As people pointed out in the comments, it's the same people actually
running the trains, just now employed for life as public sector workers. >>>> Unless they want to spend more time with their families, having failed >>>> to get wonky Italian-built Hitachi trains into service.
SWR doesnrCOt have any Hitachi trains in service or on order.
Please try to keep up! That's EMR.
So why did you wrongly mention it in a story about the rCynationalisationrCO of
SWR?
EMR hasnrCOt been nationalised, and has a different operator to SWR or SWT. Even for you, itrCOs impressive to take a thread off-topic in the post that starts it!
I'm one of few who breaks rail news here.
Your 'contribution' to most threads is to take them off-topic with rambling >anecdotes from 40 years ago that have nothing to do with the industry. But, >even for you, it's remarkable to take your own thread OT in the very
first post.
If you actually want to have a debate about the benefits or otherwise
of the so-called 'nationalisation, it might be interesting, except that
you have nothing to contribute.
As people pointed out in the comments, it's the same people actually >>>>> running the trains, just now employed for life as public sector workers. >>>>> Unless they want to spend more time with their families, having failed >>>>> to get wonky Italian-built Hitachi trains into service.
SWR doesnrCOt have any Hitachi trains in service or on order.
Please try to keep up! That's EMR.
So why did you wrongly mention it in a story about the rCynationalisationrCO of
SWR?
EMR hasnrCOt been nationalised, and has a different operator to SWR or SWT. >> Even for you, itrCOs impressive to take a thread off-topic in the post that >> starts it!
Standard Perry procedure , ruin a thread by taking it in all sorts of >directions
just so he can satisfy his narcissistic ego and try and look clever
while picking arguments.
In message <ne6cr7Fco16U1@mid.individual.net>, at 17:22:47 on Thu, 13
Aug 2026, Marland <gemehabal@btinternet.co.uk> remarked:
As people pointed out in the comments, it's the same people actually >>>>>> running the trains, just now employed for life as public sector workers. >>>>>> Unless they want to spend more time with their families, having failed >>>>>> to get wonky Italian-built Hitachi trains into service.
SWR doesnrCOt have any Hitachi trains in service or on order.
Please try to keep up! That's EMR.
So why did you wrongly mention it in a story about the rCynationalisationrCO of
SWR?
EMR hasnrCOt been nationalised, and has a different operator to SWR or SWT. >>> Even for you, itrCOs impressive to take a thread off-topic in the post that >>> starts it!
Standard Perry procedure , ruin a thread by taking it in all sorts of
directions
Not true, the original posting referred to both SWR and EMR, so no
change in direction whatsoever.
In message <ne6cr7Fco16U1@mid.individual.net>, at 17:22:47 on Thu, 13
Aug 2026, Marland <gemehabal@btinternet.co.uk> remarked:
As people pointed out in the comments, it's the same people actually >>>>>> running the trains, just now employed for life as public sector
workers.
Unless they want to spend more time with their families, having
failed
to get wonky Italian-built Hitachi trains into service.
SWR doesnrCOt have any Hitachi trains in service or on order.
Please try to keep up! That's EMR.
So why did you wrongly mention it in a story about the
rCynationalisationrCO of
SWR?
EMR hasnrCOt been nationalised, and has a different operator to SWR or
SWT.
Even for you, itrCOs impressive to take a thread off-topic in the post
that
starts it!
Standard-a Perry procedure , ruin-a a thread by taking it in all sorts of
directions
Not true, the original posting referred to both SWR and EMR, so no
change in direction whatsoever.
In message <ne6cr7Fco16U1@mid.individual.net>, at 17:22:47 on Thu, 13Time to review facts before an exam, methinks.
Aug 2026, Marland <gemehabal@btinternet.co.uk> remarked:
As people pointed out in the comments, it's the same people actually >>>>>> running the trains, just now employed for life as public sector workers. >>>>>> Unless they want to spend more time with their families, having failed >>>>>> to get wonky Italian-built Hitachi trains into service.
SWR doesnrCOt have any Hitachi trains in service or on order.
Please try to keep up! That's EMR.
So why did you wrongly mention it in a story about the rCynationalisationrCO of
SWR?
EMR hasnrCOt been nationalised, and has a different operator to SWR or SWT. >>> Even for you, itrCOs impressive to take a thread off-topic in the post that >>> starts it!
Standard Perry procedure , ruin a thread by taking it in all sorts of
directions
Not true, the original posting referred to both SWR and EMR, so no
change in direction whatsoever.
As people pointed out in the comments, it's the same people >>>>>>>actually running the trains, just now employed for life as >>>>>>>public sector workers. Unless they want to spend more time with >>>>>>>their families, having failed to get wonky Italian-built >>>>>>>Hitachi trains into service.
SWR doesnrCOt have any Hitachi trains in service or on order.
Please try to keep up! That's EMR.
So why did you wrongly mention it in a story about the >>>>rCynationalisationrCO of SWR?
EMR hasnrCOt been nationalised, and has a different operator to SWR >>>>or SWT. Even for you, itrCOs impressive to take a thread off-topic >>>>in the post that starts it!
Standard-a Perry procedure , ruin-a a thread by taking it in all sorts of >>> directions
Not true, the original posting referred to both SWR and EMR, so no >>change in direction whatsoever.Absolute codswallop. There was no mention in your original post about
any TOC apart from SWR.
Roland Perry <roland@perry.uk> wrote:
In message <ne6cr7Fco16U1@mid.individual.net>, at 17:22:47 on Thu, 13
Aug 2026, Marland <gemehabal@btinternet.co.uk> remarked:
As people pointed out in the comments, it's the same people actually >>>>>>> running the trains, just now employed for life as public sector workers.
Unless they want to spend more time with their families, having failed >>>>>>> to get wonky Italian-built Hitachi trains into service.
SWR doesnrCOt have any Hitachi trains in service or on order.
Please try to keep up! That's EMR.
So why did you wrongly mention it in a story about the >>>>rCynationalisationrCO of SWR?
EMR hasnrCOt been nationalised, and has a different operator to SWR or SWT.
Even for you, itrCOs impressive to take a thread off-topic in the post that
starts it!
Standard Perry procedure , ruin a thread by taking it in all sorts of
directions
Not true, the original posting referred to both SWR and EMR, so no
change in direction whatsoever.
No it didnrCOt. It was a post about an alleged decline in SWR performance in >the first quarter under state control.
No mention of EMR, and it was OT to refer to EMRrCOs latest trains in a post >about SWR.
In message <dzpfS.7185$Oyj6.1455@fx06.ams1>, at 20:12:57 on Thu, 13 Aug 2026, Recliner <recliner.usenet@gmail.com> remarked:
Not true, the original posting referred to both SWR and EMR, so no
change in direction whatsoever.
No it didnrCOt. It was a post about an alleged decline in SWR
performance in the first quarter under state control.
No mention of EMR...
If you wish to believe that, it's quite OK. But of course completely wrong.
In message <dzpfS.7185$Oyj6.1455@fx06.ams1>, at 20:12:57 on Thu, 13 Aug 2026, Recliner <recliner.usenet@gmail.com> remarked:
Roland Perry <roland@perry.uk> wrote:
In message <ne6cr7Fco16U1@mid.individual.net>, at 17:22:47 on Thu, 13
Aug 2026, Marland <gemehabal@btinternet.co.uk> remarked:
As people pointed out in the comments, it's the same people actually >>>>>>>> running the trains, just now employed for life as public sector workers.
Unless they want to spend more time with their families, having failed >>>>>>>> to get wonky Italian-built Hitachi trains into service.
SWR doesnrCOt have any Hitachi trains in service or on order.
Please try to keep up! That's EMR.
So why did you wrongly mention it in a story about the
rCynationalisationrCO of SWR?
EMR hasnrCOt been nationalised, and has a different operator to SWR or SWT.
Even for you, itrCOs impressive to take a thread off-topic in the post that
starts it!
Standard Perry procedure , ruin a thread by taking it in all sorts of >>>> directions
Not true, the original posting referred to both SWR and EMR, so no
change in direction whatsoever.
No it didnrCOt. It was a post about an alleged decline in SWR performance in >> the first quarter under state control.
No mention of EMR, and it was OT to refer to EMRrCOs latest trains in a post >> about SWR.
If you wish to believe that, it's quite OK. But of course completely
wrong.
ps It was a post about Nationalisation, which includes both SWR and EMR.
On 14/08/2026 10:39, Roland Perry wrote:
In message <dzpfS.7185$Oyj6.1455@fx06.ams1>, at 20:12:57 on Thu, 13
Aug 2026, Recliner <recliner.usenet@gmail.com> remarked:
If you wish to believe that, it's quite OK. But of course completely >>wrong.Not true, the original posting referred to both SWR and EMR, so no
change in direction whatsoever.
No it didnrCOt. It was a post about an alleged decline in SWR >>>performance in the first quarter under state control.
No mention of EMR...
Are you completely stupid? Read your original post. No mention of EMR
at all.
Are you following Trumps idea that if you say it enough, you hope that
some people may believe you? You are totally wrong, again, but you say
other people are wrong!
Read the original message, then come back and admit you were wrong.
Read the original message, then come back and admit you were wrong.
You read it, and then come back to me with the name of the TOC whose CEO resigned (or was pushed) over the 810 fiasco.
--- Synchronet 3.22a-Linux NewsLink 1.2Unless they want to spend more time with their families,
having failed to get wonky Italian-built Hitachi trains into service.
On 14/08/2026 14:27, Roland Perry wrote:
Read the original message, then come back and admit you were wrong.You read it, and then come back to me with the name of the TOC whose
CEO resigned (or was pushed) over the 810 fiasco.
I presume it is the paragraph copied below that you mean. How the fuck
is anyone meant to know what you are on about?
So saying EMR was in the OP is wrong, yet you are digging deeper.
Again.
In message <115n6fd$2ipj0$1@dont-email.me>, at 14:50:37 on Fri, 14 Aug
2026, Alan Lee <alan@darkroom.plus.com> remarked:
On 14/08/2026 14:27, Roland Perry wrote:
Read the original message, then come back and admit you were wrong.You read it, and then come back to me with the name of the TOC whose >>CEO resigned (or was pushed) over the 810 fiasco.
I presume it is the paragraph copied below that you mean. How the fuck
is anyone meant to know what you are on about?
Because not only has that fucking story has been widely reported in the fucking social media, it's been quoted many fucking times in this very newsgroup, even if you didn't fucking notice.
So saying EMR was in the OP is wrong, yet you are digging deeper.
Again.
You are fucking mistaken. Please do try to fucking keep up!
What about fucking yourself, Roland, before sending the next message?
Roland Perry <roland@perry.uk> wrote:
In message <dzpfS.7185$Oyj6.1455@fx06.ams1>, at 20:12:57 on Thu, 13 Aug
2026, Recliner <recliner.usenet@gmail.com> remarked:
Roland Perry <roland@perry.uk> wrote:
In message <ne6cr7Fco16U1@mid.individual.net>, at 17:22:47 on Thu, 13
Aug 2026, Marland <gemehabal@btinternet.co.uk> remarked:
As people pointed out in the comments, it's the same people actually >>>>>>>>> running the trains, just now employed for life as public >>>>>>>>>sector workers.
Unless they want to spend more time with their families, having failed
to get wonky Italian-built Hitachi trains into service.
SWR doesnrCOt have any Hitachi trains in service or on order.
Please try to keep up! That's EMR.
So why did you wrongly mention it in a story about the
rCynationalisationrCO of SWR?
EMR hasnrCOt been nationalised, and has a different operator to >>>>>>or SWT. Even for you, itrCOs impressive to take a thread >>>>>>off-topic in the post that starts it!
Standard Perry procedure , ruin a thread by taking it in all sorts of >>>>> directions
Not true, the original posting referred to both SWR and EMR, so no
change in direction whatsoever.
No it didnrCOt. It was a post about an alleged decline in SWR performance in
the first quarter under state control.
No mention of EMR, and it was OT to refer to EMRrCOs latest trains in a post
about SWR.
If you wish to believe that, it's quite OK. But of course completely
wrong.
ps It was a post about Nationalisation, which includes both SWR and EMR.
EMR has not been taken into DFTO yet.
So, inevitably, yourCOre wrong again.
In message <1786717424-2991@newsgrouper.org>, at 14:23:44 on Fri, 14 Aug 2026, Ulf Kutzner <user2991@newsgrouper.org.invalid> remarked:
What about fucking yourself, Roland, before sending the next message?
Apparently today is International "Talk like a fucker" Day. I didn't
start it, by the way.
Roland Perry <roland@perry.uk> posted:
In message <1786717424-2991@newsgrouper.org>, at 14:23:44 on Fri, 14 Aug
2026, Ulf Kutzner <user2991@newsgrouper.org.invalid> remarked:
What about fucking yourself, Roland, before sending the next message?
Apparently today is International "Talk like a fucker" Day. I didn't
start it, by the way.
The percentage of fuck(ing) was highest in your post, Roland.
In message <1786721457-2991@newsgrouper.org>, at 15:30:57 on Fri, 14 Aug 2026, Ulf Kutzner <user2991@newsgrouper.org.invalid> remarked:
Roland Perry <roland@perry.uk> posted:
In message <1786717424-2991@newsgrouper.org>, at 14:23:44 on Fri, 14 Aug >> 2026, Ulf Kutzner <user2991@newsgrouper.org.invalid> remarked:
What about fucking yourself, Roland, before sending the next message?
Apparently today is International "Talk like a fucker" Day. I didn't
start it, by the way.
The percentage of fuck(ing) was highest in your post, Roland.
So you can count.
Roland Perry <roland@perry.uk> posted:
In message <1786721457-2991@newsgrouper.org>, at 15:30:57 on Fri, 14 Aug
2026, Ulf Kutzner <user2991@newsgrouper.org.invalid> remarked:
Roland Perry <roland@perry.uk> posted:
In message <1786717424-2991@newsgrouper.org>, at 14:23:44 on Fri, 14 Aug >>>> 2026, Ulf Kutzner <user2991@newsgrouper.org.invalid> remarked:
What about fucking yourself, Roland, before sending the next message? >>>>Apparently today is International "Talk like a fucker" Day. I didn't
start it, by the way.
The percentage of fuck(ing) was highest in your post, Roland.
So you can count.
Do you want a prize for worst behaviour? You have deserved one.
In message <luEfS.3822$9qq9.1773@fx09.ams1>, at 13:11:45 on Fri, 14 Aug 2026, Recliner <recliner.usenet@gmail.com> remarked:
Roland Perry <roland@perry.uk> wrote:
In message <dzpfS.7185$Oyj6.1455@fx06.ams1>, at 20:12:57 on Thu, 13 Aug
2026, Recliner <recliner.usenet@gmail.com> remarked:
Roland Perry <roland@perry.uk> wrote:
In message <ne6cr7Fco16U1@mid.individual.net>, at 17:22:47 on Thu, 13 >>>>> Aug 2026, Marland <gemehabal@btinternet.co.uk> remarked:
Please try to keep up! That's EMR.As people pointed out in the comments, it's the same people actually >>>>>>>>>> running the trains, just now employed for life as public
sector workers.
Unless they want to spend more time with their families, having failed
to get wonky Italian-built Hitachi trains into service.
SWR doesnrCOt have any Hitachi trains in service or on order. >>>>>>>>
So why did you wrongly mention it in a story about the
rCynationalisationrCO of SWR?
EMR hasnrCOt been nationalised, and has a different operator to >>>>>>> or SWT. Even for you, itrCOs impressive to take a thread
off-topic in the post that starts it!
Standard Perry procedure , ruin a thread by taking it in all sorts of >>>>>> directions
Not true, the original posting referred to both SWR and EMR, so no
change in direction whatsoever.
No it didnrCOt. It was a post about an alleged decline in SWR performance in
the first quarter under state control.
No mention of EMR, and it was OT to refer to EMRrCOs latest trains in a post
about SWR.
If you wish to believe that, it's quite OK. But of course completely
wrong.
ps It was a post about Nationalisation, which includes both SWR and EMR.
EMR has not been taken into DFTO yet.
You've said countless times that all TOCs have been defacto
nationalaised since COVID, and it's been said here that DfT
ordered the wonky 810's
In message <115laeh$200a4$1@dont-email.me>, at 21:46:09 on Thu, 13 Aug
2026, ColinR <rail@greystane.shetland.co.uk> remarked:
As people pointed out in the comments, it's the same people
actually running the trains, just now employed for life as
public sector workers. Unless they want to spend more time with >>>>>>>> their families, having failed to get wonky Italian-built
Hitachi trains into service.
SWR doesnrCOt have any Hitachi trains in service or on order.
Please try to keep up! That's EMR.
So why did you wrongly mention it in a story about the
rCynationalisationrCO of SWR?
EMR hasnrCOt been nationalised, and has a different operator to SWR >>>>> or SWT. Even for you, itrCOs impressive to take a thread off-topic >>>>> in the post that starts it!
Standard-a Perry procedure , ruin-a a thread by taking it in all sorts of >>>> directions
Not true, the original posting referred to both SWR and EMR, so noAbsolute codswallop. There was no mention in your original post about
change in direction whatsoever.
any TOC apart from SWR.
Do try to keep up!
The guy who resigned (or was pushed) due to the wonky Italian-built, and rather misleadingly branded "Hitachi", trains was the CEO of EMR.
In message <115laeh$200a4$1@dont-email.me>, at 21:46:09 on Thu, 13 Aug
2026, ColinR <rail@greystane.shetland.co.uk> remarked:
As people pointed out in the comments, it's the same people
actually running the trains, just now employed for life as
public sector workers. Unless they want to spend more time with >>>>>>>> their families, having failed to get wonky Italian-built
Hitachi trains into service.
SWR doesnrCOt have any Hitachi trains in service or on order.
Please try to keep up! That's EMR.
So why did you wrongly mention it in a story about the
rCynationalisationrCO of SWR?
EMR hasnrCOt been nationalised, and has a different operator to SWR >>>>> or SWT. Even for you, itrCOs impressive to take a thread off-topic >>>>> in the post that starts it!
Standard-a Perry procedure , ruin-a a thread by taking it in all sorts of >>>> directions
Not true, the original posting referred to both SWR and EMR, so noAbsolute codswallop. There was no mention in your original post about
change in direction whatsoever.
any TOC apart from SWR.
Do try to keep up!
The guy who resigned (or was pushed) due to the wonky Italian-built, and rather misleadingly branded "Hitachi", trains was the CEO of EMR.
In message <115laeh$200a4$1@dont-email.me>, at 21:46:09 on Thu, 13 Aug
2026, ColinR <rail@greystane.shetland.co.uk> remarked:
As people pointed out in the comments, it's the same people
actually-a running the trains, just now employed for life as
public sector-a workers.-a Unless they want to spend more time >>>>>>>> with their families, having-a failed-a to get wonky Italian-built >>>>>>>> Hitachi trains into service.
SWR doesnrCOt have any Hitachi trains in service or on order.
Please try to keep up! That's EMR.
So why did you wrongly mention it in a story about the
rCynationalisationrCO of-a SWR?
EMR hasnrCOt been nationalised, and has a different operator to SWR >>>>> or-a SWT.-a Even for you, itrCOs impressive to take a thread off-topic >>>>> in the post-a that-a starts it!
Standard-a Perry procedure , ruin-a a thread by taking it in all sorts of >>>> directions
-aNot true, the original posting referred to both SWR and EMR, so noAbsolute codswallop. There was no mention in your original post about
change in direction whatsoever.
any TOC apart from SWR.
Do try to keep up!
The guy who resigned (or was pushed) due to the wonky Italian-built, and rather misleadingly branded "Hitachi", trains was the CEO of EMR.
You've said countless times that all TOCs have been defacto
nationalaised since COVID, and it's been said here that DfT
ordered the wonky 810's
Your headline was about how SWRrCOs performance had deteriorated since DFTO >took it over. You then got confused with EMR, which is still run by TUKG.
And then pick fights with everyone who tried to correct you.
Just curious, has your dementia been diagnosed yet? Do you share your >mentorrCOs illness?
Roland Perry <roland@perry.uk> posted:
In message <1786721457-2991@newsgrouper.org>, at 15:30:57 on Fri, 14 Aug
2026, Ulf Kutzner <user2991@newsgrouper.org.invalid> remarked:
Roland Perry <roland@perry.uk> posted:
In message <1786717424-2991@newsgrouper.org>, at 14:23:44 on Fri, 14 Aug >> >> 2026, Ulf Kutzner <user2991@newsgrouper.org.invalid> remarked:
What about fucking yourself, Roland, before sending the next message?
Apparently today is International "Talk like a fucker" Day. I didn't
start it, by the way.
The percentage of fuck(ing) was highest in your post, Roland.
So you can count.
Do you want a prize for worst behaviour? You have deserved one.
The guy who resigned (or was pushed) due to the wonky Italian-built,
and rather misleadingly branded "Hitachi", trains was the CEO of EMR.
Whilst true, it has absolutely nothing to do with your original post
which was about SWR's performance. You are using a whole dictionary of >invisible words yet again.
READ YOUR ORIGINAL POST before making ludicrous connections to a
totally different story.
I stand by my "codswallop" comment.
In message <115npfl$2pkov$1@dont-email.me>, at 20:15:00 on Fri, 14 Aug
2026, ColinR <rail@greystane.shetland.co.uk> remarked:
The guy who resigned (or was pushed) due to the wonky Italian-built,
and rather misleadingly branded "Hitachi", trains was the CEO of EMR.
Whilst true, it has absolutely nothing to do with your original post
which was about SWR's performance. You are using a whole dictionary of
invisible words yet again.
READ YOUR ORIGINAL POST before making ludicrous connections to a
totally different story.
I stand by my "codswallop" comment.
And I stand by my comment that the 810 fiasco is also a result of nationalisation, so completely on-topic.
Roland Perry <roland@perry.uk> posted:
In message <1786717424-2991@newsgrouper.org>, at 14:23:44 on Fri, 14 Aug
2026, Ulf Kutzner <user2991@newsgrouper.org.invalid> remarked:
What about fucking yourself, Roland, before sending the next message?
Apparently today is International "Talk like a fucker" Day. I didn't
start it, by the way.
The percentage of fuck(ing) was highest in your post, Roland.
On 14/08/2026 16:30, Ulf Kutzner wrote:
Roland Perry <roland@perry.uk> posted:
In message <1786717424-2991@newsgrouper.org>, at 14:23:44 on Fri, 14 >>>Aug
2026, Ulf Kutzner <user2991@newsgrouper.org.invalid> remarked:
What about fucking yourself, Roland, before sending the next message?
Apparently today is International "Talk like a fucker" Day. I didn't
start it, by the way.
The percentage of fuck(ing) was highest in your post, Roland.
I think you are having some sort of mental episode Roland. Since its
the weekend I suggest you call 111 for medical assistance.
The guy who resigned (or was pushed) due to the wonky Italian-built, and
rather misleadingly branded "Hitachi", trains was the CEO of EMR.
What do you think they should be branded as?
And I stand by my comment that the 810 fiasco is also a result of
nationalisation, so completely on-topic.
How is it a result of nationalisation?
In message <TRTfS.2262$B5g9.2096@fx14.ams1>, at 06:40:51 on Sat, 15 Aug 2026, Recliner <recliner.usenet@gmail.com> remarked:
And I stand by my comment that the 810 fiasco is also a result of
nationalisation, so completely on-topic.
How is it a result of nationalisation?
Because it was the DfT who signed the order.
In message <F9JfS.2216$zEP6.916@fx17.ams1>, at 18:31:01 on Fri, 14 Aug
2026, Recliner <recliner.usenet@gmail.com> remarked:
The guy who resigned (or was pushed) due to the wonky Italian-built, and >>> rather misleadingly branded "Hitachi", trains was the CEO of EMR.
What do you think they should be branded as?
AnsaldoBreda, obviously.
In message <F9JfS.2216$zEP6.916@fx17.ams1>, at 18:31:01 on Fri, 14 Aug
2026, Recliner <recliner.usenet@gmail.com> remarked:
The guy who resigned (or was pushed) due to the wonky Italian-built, and >>> rather misleadingly branded "Hitachi", trains was the CEO of EMR.
What do you think they should be branded as?
AnsaldoBreda, obviously.
Roland Perry <roland@perry.uk> wrote:
In message <F9JfS.2216$zEP6.916@fx17.ams1>, at 18:31:01 on Fri, 14 Aug
2026, Recliner <recliner.usenet@gmail.com> remarked:
The guy who resigned (or was pushed) due to the wonky Italian-built, and >>>> rather misleadingly branded "Hitachi", trains was the CEO of EMR.
What do you think they should be branded as?
AnsaldoBreda, obviously.
Where did you get that from? YourCOve obviously misunderstood a previous post of mine.
https://railway-news.com/400-million-hitachi-trains-for-east-midlands-railway/
AnsaldoBreda hasnrCOt existed since 2015. And the EMR trains were assembled in the UK in a Hitachi factory that was never part of AnsaldoBreda.
Recliner <recliner.usenet@gmail.com> wrote:
Roland Perry <roland@perry.uk> wrote:
In message <F9JfS.2216$zEP6.916@fx17.ams1>, at 18:31:01 on Fri, 14 Aug
2026, Recliner <recliner.usenet@gmail.com> remarked:
The guy who resigned (or was pushed) due to the wonky Italian-built, and >>>> rather misleadingly branded "Hitachi", trains was the CEO of EMR.
What do you think they should be branded as?
AnsaldoBreda, obviously.
Where did you get that from? YourCOve obviously misunderstood a previous post of mine.
https://railway-news.com/400-million-hitachi-trains-for-east-midlands-railway/
AnsaldoBreda hasnrCOt existed since 2015. And the EMR trains were assembled in the UK in a Hitachi factory that was never part of AnsaldoBreda.
However, a number of comments online particularly twitter, suggest that the 810s are effectively an Ansaldo product in a Hitachi bodyshell.
Recliner <recliner.usenet@gmail.com> wrote:
Roland Perry <roland@perry.uk> wrote:
In message <F9JfS.2216$zEP6.916@fx17.ams1>, at 18:31:01 on Fri, 14 Aug
2026, Recliner <recliner.usenet@gmail.com> remarked:
The guy who resigned (or was pushed) due to the wonky Italian-built, and >>>>> rather misleadingly branded "Hitachi", trains was the CEO of EMR.
What do you think they should be branded as?
AnsaldoBreda, obviously.
Where did you get that from? YourCOve obviously misunderstood a previous
post of mine.
https://railway-news.com/400-million-hitachi-trains-for-east-midlands-railway/
AnsaldoBreda hasnrCOt existed since 2015. And the EMR trains were assembled >> in the UK in a Hitachi factory that was never part of AnsaldoBreda.
However, a number of comments online particularly twitter, suggest that the >810s are effectively an Ansaldo product in a Hitachi bodyshell.
Roland Perry <roland@perry.uk> wrote:
In message <F9JfS.2216$zEP6.916@fx17.ams1>, at 18:31:01 on Fri, 14 Aug
2026, Recliner <recliner.usenet@gmail.com> remarked:
The guy who resigned (or was pushed) due to the wonky Italian-built, and >>>> rather misleadingly branded "Hitachi", trains was the CEO of EMR.
What do you think they should be branded as?
AnsaldoBreda, obviously.
Presumably you still shop at Gateway or Safeway, use an Orange or 1-2-1
phone and drive an Auto-Union to the station to travel by British Rail?
Roland Perry <roland@perry.uk> wrote:
In message <TRTfS.2262$B5g9.2096@fx14.ams1>, at 06:40:51 on Sat, 15 Aug
2026, Recliner <recliner.usenet@gmail.com> remarked:
And I stand by my comment that the 810 fiasco is also a result of
nationalisation, so completely on-topic.
How is it a result of nationalisation?
Because it was the DfT who signed the order.
ThatrCOs another of your lies, of course. You just canrCOt help yourself, can >you?
From
https://www.railjournal.com/fleet/abellio-orders-hitachi-trains-for-east >-midlands-franchise/
ABELLIO announced on July 30 that it has selected Hitachi Rail for a -u400m >contract to supply a fleet of 33 bi-mode (diesel/25kV ac) inter-city trains >for East Midlands Railway (EMR).
The funding package is being led by rolling stock leasing company Rock Rail >and the fleet will be financed through Rock Rail East Midlands using debt >from institutional investors.
Assembly will take place at HitachirCOs Newton Aycliffe plant in northeast >England and Hitachi says it is working with 65 different suppliers in the >East Midlands.
Recliner <recliner.usenet@gmail.com> wrote:
Roland Perry <roland@perry.uk> wrote:
In message <F9JfS.2216$zEP6.916@fx17.ams1>, at 18:31:01 on Fri, 14 Aug
2026, Recliner <recliner.usenet@gmail.com> remarked:
The guy who resigned (or was pushed) due to the wonky Italian-built, and >>>>> rather misleadingly branded "Hitachi", trains was the CEO of EMR.
What do you think they should be branded as?
AnsaldoBreda, obviously.
Where did you get that from? YourCOve obviously misunderstood a previous
post of mine.
https://railway-news.com/400-million-hitachi-trains-for-east-midlands-railway/
AnsaldoBreda hasnrCOt existed since 2015. And the EMR trains were assembled >> in the UK in a Hitachi factory that was never part of AnsaldoBreda.
However, a number of comments online particularly twitter, suggest that the 810s are effectively an Ansaldo product in a Hitachi bodyshell.
In message <115s3sg$3m6t$2@dont-email.me>, at 10:37:04 on Sun, 16 Aug
2026, Anna Noyd-Dryver <anna@noyd-dryver.com> remarked:
Recliner <recliner.usenet@gmail.com> wrote:
Roland Perry <roland@perry.uk> wrote:
In message <F9JfS.2216$zEP6.916@fx17.ams1>, at 18:31:01 on Fri, 14 Aug >>>> 2026, Recliner <recliner.usenet@gmail.com> remarked:
The guy who resigned (or was pushed) due to the wonky Italian-built, and >>>>>> rather misleadingly branded "Hitachi", trains was the CEO of EMR.
What do you think they should be branded as?
AnsaldoBreda, obviously.
Where did you get that from? YourCOve obviously misunderstood a previous >>> post of mine.
https://railway-news.com/400-million-hitachi-trains-for-east-midlands-railway/
AnsaldoBreda hasnrCOt existed since 2015. And the EMR trains were assembled >>> in the UK in a Hitachi factory that was never part of AnsaldoBreda.
However, a number of comments online particularly twitter, suggest that the >> 810s are effectively an Ansaldo product in a Hitachi bodyshell.
Yes, that's the exactly point.
In message <vmdgS.6274$9qq9.3080@fx09.ams1>, at 07:09:15 on Sun, 16 Aug 2026, Recliner <recliner.usenet@gmail.com> remarked:
Roland Perry <roland@perry.uk> wrote:
In message <TRTfS.2262$B5g9.2096@fx14.ams1>, at 06:40:51 on Sat, 15 Aug
2026, Recliner <recliner.usenet@gmail.com> remarked:
And I stand by my comment that the 810 fiasco is also a result of
nationalisation, so completely on-topic.
How is it a result of nationalisation?
Because it was the DfT who signed the order.
ThatrCOs another of your lies, of course. You just canrCOt help yourself, can
you?
And you can't help yourself quoting misleading press releases.
From
https://www.railjournal.com/fleet/abellio-orders-hitachi-trains-for-east
-midlands-franchise/
ABELLIO announced on July 30 that it has selected Hitachi Rail for a -u400m >> contract to supply a fleet of 33 bi-mode (diesel/25kV ac) inter-city trains >> for East Midlands Railway (EMR).
The funding package is being led by rolling stock leasing company Rock Rail >> and the fleet will be financed through Rock Rail East Midlands using debt
from institutional investors.
Assembly will take place at HitachirCOs Newton Aycliffe plant in northeast >> England and Hitachi says it is working with 65 different suppliers in the
East Midlands.
In message <115s3sf$3m6t$1@dont-email.me>, at 10:37:03 on Sun, 16 Aug
2026, Anna Noyd-Dryver <anna@noyd-dryver.com> remarked:
Roland Perry <roland@perry.uk> wrote:
In message <F9JfS.2216$zEP6.916@fx17.ams1>, at 18:31:01 on Fri, 14 Aug
2026, Recliner <recliner.usenet@gmail.com> remarked:
The guy who resigned (or was pushed) due to the wonky Italian-built, and >>>>> rather misleadingly branded "Hitachi", trains was the CEO of EMR.
What do you think they should be branded as?
AnsaldoBreda, obviously.
Presumably you still shop at Gateway or Safeway, use an Orange or 1-2-1 >>phone and drive an Auto-Union to the station to travel by British Rail?
I still have my Orange phone and number from before the public launch, >although the phone's only 2G and probably doesn't work any more.
Never had a 1-2-1 phone, but had several SIM-only accounts with them, >including the phase when they merged and became known as "Nothing
Anywhere".
Roland Perry <roland@perry.uk> wrote:
In message <F9JfS.2216$zEP6.916@fx17.ams1>, at 18:31:01 on Fri, 14 Aug
2026, Recliner <recliner.usenet@gmail.com> remarked:
The guy who resigned (or was pushed) due to the wonky Italian-built, and >>>> rather misleadingly branded "Hitachi", trains was the CEO of EMR.
What do you think they should be branded as?
AnsaldoBreda, obviously.
Presumably you still shop at Gateway or Safeway, use an Orange or 1-2-1
phone and drive an Auto-Union to the station to travel by British Rail?
IIRC he uses a rabbit phone!
On 16/08/2026 19:26, Graeme Wall wrote:
IIRC he uses a rabbit phone!
I remember them. 92ish?
I looked into getting one, IIRC, it was the cheapest option out there
then, but didnt it have some strange restriction, where it had to be
near a BT phone box to work?
On 16/08/2026 11:37, Anna Noyd-Dryver wrote:
Roland Perry <roland@perry.uk> wrote:
In message <F9JfS.2216$zEP6.916@fx17.ams1>, at 18:31:01 on Fri, 14 Aug
2026, Recliner <recliner.usenet@gmail.com> remarked:
The guy who resigned (or was pushed) due to the wonky Italian-built, and >>>>> rather misleadingly branded "Hitachi", trains was the CEO of EMR.
What do you think they should be branded as?
AnsaldoBreda, obviously.
Presumably you still shop at Gateway or Safeway, use an Orange or
1-2-1 phone and drive an Auto-Union to the station to travel by
British Rail?
IIRC he uses a rabbit phone!
Alan Lee <alan@darkroom.plus.com> wrote:
On 16/08/2026 19:26, Graeme Wall wrote:
IIRC he uses a rabbit phone!
I remember them. 92ish?
I looked into getting one, IIRC, it was the cheapest option out there
then, but didnt it have some strange restriction, where it had to be
near a BT phone box to work?
It was basically a glorified cordless phone and therefore had to be near a >base station.
Our local newsagent sported one.
Given that restriction it could not accept inbound calls because the
chance of you being near a base station was small.
Anna Noyd-Dryver <anna@noyd-dryver.com> wrote:
Recliner <recliner.usenet@gmail.com> wrote:
Roland Perry <roland@perry.uk> wrote:
In message <F9JfS.2216$zEP6.916@fx17.ams1>, at 18:31:01 on Fri, 14 Aug >>>> 2026, Recliner <recliner.usenet@gmail.com> remarked:
The guy who resigned (or was pushed) due to the wonky Italian-built, and >>>>>> rather misleadingly branded "Hitachi", trains was the CEO of EMR.
What do you think they should be branded as?
AnsaldoBreda, obviously.
Where did you get that from? YourCOve obviously misunderstood a previous >>> post of mine.
https://railway-news.com/400-million-hitachi-trains-for-east-midlands-railway/
AnsaldoBreda hasnrCOt existed since 2015. And the EMR trains were assembled >>> in the UK in a Hitachi factory that was never part of AnsaldoBreda.
However, a number of comments online particularly twitter, suggest that the >> 810s are effectively an Ansaldo product in a Hitachi bodyshell.
ItrCOs not quite that simple. All the other Hitachi 5-car class 8xx bimodes are essentially the same, and the quality seems to be improving. Apart from
a few early examples, they are all now assembled in Newton Aycliffe, from parts from many suppliers, both within the Hitachi supply chain, and elsewhere, in multiple countries. This remains the case with the 810s, so theyrCOre definitely built in England, just like most of the IET fleet.
But the decision was taken that the 810s needed to be 11m shorter, and to have a higher power to weight ratio on diesel power so they need four,
rather than three, donks rCo I think these decisions are now questionable. This necessitated a number of engineering modifications to degrade an 805 into an 810.
I donrCOt think the Newton Aycliffe assembly plant has a design office (unlike the Alstom Litchurch Lane plant), so this work had to be done elsewhere. But, wherever the work was done (and it was probably in multiple locations), the trains are still manufactured in County Durham.
However, as the quality is so much worse than other IETs, mischievous outsiders (including me) think they spy the tainted work of the Pistoia operation. As far as IrCOm aware, this is purely speculation, and it is, of course possible that the work was actually done by a newly formed design office in Newton Aycliffe. If so, that would make these the most British of all the IET variants.
Roland Perry <roland@perry.uk> wrote:
In message <115s3sg$3m6t$2@dont-email.me>, at 10:37:04 on Sun, 16 Aug
2026, Anna Noyd-Dryver <anna@noyd-dryver.com> remarked:
Recliner <recliner.usenet@gmail.com> wrote:
Roland Perry <roland@perry.uk> wrote:
In message <F9JfS.2216$zEP6.916@fx17.ams1>, at 18:31:01 on Fri, 14 Aug >>>>> 2026, Recliner <recliner.usenet@gmail.com> remarked:
The guy who resigned (or was pushed) due to the wonky Italian-built, andWhat do you think they should be branded as?
rather misleadingly branded "Hitachi", trains was the CEO of EMR. >>>>>>
AnsaldoBreda, obviously.
Where did you get that from? YourCOve obviously misunderstood a previous >>>> post of mine.
https://railway-news.com/400-million-hitachi-trains-for-east-midlands-railway/
AnsaldoBreda hasnrCOt existed since 2015. And the EMR trains were assembled
in the UK in a Hitachi factory that was never part of AnsaldoBreda.
However, a number of comments online particularly twitter, suggest that the >>> 810s are effectively an Ansaldo product in a Hitachi bodyshell.
Yes, that's the exactly point.
They are British-built Hitachi trains, just like all but a few early IETs.
Recliner <recliner.usenet@gmail.com> wrote:
Roland Perry <roland@perry.uk> wrote:
In message <115s3sg$3m6t$2@dont-email.me>, at 10:37:04 on Sun, 16 Aug
2026, Anna Noyd-Dryver <anna@noyd-dryver.com> remarked:
Recliner <recliner.usenet@gmail.com> wrote:
Roland Perry <roland@perry.uk> wrote:
In message <F9JfS.2216$zEP6.916@fx17.ams1>, at 18:31:01 on Fri, 14 Aug >>>>>> 2026, Recliner <recliner.usenet@gmail.com> remarked:
The guy who resigned (or was pushed) due to the wonky Italian-built, andWhat do you think they should be branded as?
rather misleadingly branded "Hitachi", trains was the CEO of EMR. >>>>>>>
AnsaldoBreda, obviously.
Where did you get that from? YourCOve obviously misunderstood a previous >>>>> post of mine.
https://railway-news.com/400-million-hitachi-trains-for-east-midlands-railway/
AnsaldoBreda hasnrCOt existed since 2015. And the EMR trains were assembled
in the UK in a Hitachi factory that was never part of AnsaldoBreda.
However, a number of comments online particularly twitter, suggest that the
810s are effectively an Ansaldo product in a Hitachi bodyshell.
Yes, that's the exactly point.
They are British-built Hitachi trains, just like all but a few early IETs. >>
The majority of gWr's 802s were built in Italy.
Recliner <recliner.usenet@gmail.com> wrote:
Anna Noyd-Dryver <anna@noyd-dryver.com> wrote:
Recliner <recliner.usenet@gmail.com> wrote:
Roland Perry <roland@perry.uk> wrote:
In message <F9JfS.2216$zEP6.916@fx17.ams1>, at 18:31:01 on Fri, 14 Aug >>>>> 2026, Recliner <recliner.usenet@gmail.com> remarked:
The guy who resigned (or was pushed) due to the wonky Italian-built, andWhat do you think they should be branded as?
rather misleadingly branded "Hitachi", trains was the CEO of EMR. >>>>>>
AnsaldoBreda, obviously.
Where did you get that from? YourCOve obviously misunderstood a previous >>>> post of mine.
https://railway-news.com/400-million-hitachi-trains-for-east-midlands-railway/
AnsaldoBreda hasnrCOt existed since 2015. And the EMR trains were assembled
in the UK in a Hitachi factory that was never part of AnsaldoBreda.
However, a number of comments online particularly twitter, suggest that the >>> 810s are effectively an Ansaldo product in a Hitachi bodyshell.
ItrCOs not quite that simple. All the other Hitachi 5-car class 8xx bimodes >> are essentially the same, and the quality seems to be improving. Apart from >> a few early examples, they are all now assembled in Newton Aycliffe, from
parts from many suppliers, both within the Hitachi supply chain, and
elsewhere, in multiple countries. This remains the case with the 810s, so
theyrCOre definitely built in England, just like most of the IET fleet.
But the decision was taken that the 810s needed to be 11m shorter, and to
have a higher power to weight ratio on diesel power so they need four,
rather than three, donks rCo I think these decisions are now questionable. >> This necessitated a number of engineering modifications to degrade an 805
into an 810.
I donrCOt think the Newton Aycliffe assembly plant has a design office
(unlike the Alstom Litchurch Lane plant), so this work had to be done
elsewhere. But, wherever the work was done (and it was probably in multiple >> locations), the trains are still manufactured in County Durham.
However, as the quality is so much worse than other IETs, mischievous
outsiders (including me) think they spy the tainted work of the Pistoia
operation. As far as IrCOm aware, this is purely speculation, and it is, of >> course possible that the work was actually done by a newly formed design
office in Newton Aycliffe. If so, that would make these the most British of >> all the IET variants.
Knowledgeable sources seem to suggest that 810s have less in common with
80x than people expect.
And you can't help yourself quoting misleading press releases.
Sorry, IrCOd forgotten that you had a painful allergy to having your >misconceptions corrected with facts!
On Sun, 16 Aug 2026 13:17:40 +0100
Roland Perry <roland@perry.uk> gabbled:
In message <115s3sf$3m6t$1@dont-email.me>, at 10:37:03 on Sun, 16 Aug >>2026, Anna Noyd-Dryver <anna@noyd-dryver.com> remarked:
Roland Perry <roland@perry.uk> wrote:
In message <F9JfS.2216$zEP6.916@fx17.ams1>, at 18:31:01 on Fri, 14 Aug >>>> 2026, Recliner <recliner.usenet@gmail.com> remarked:
The guy who resigned (or was pushed) due to the wonky Italian-built, and >>>>>> rather misleadingly branded "Hitachi", trains was the CEO of EMR.
What do you think they should be branded as?
AnsaldoBreda, obviously.
Presumably you still shop at Gateway or Safeway, use an Orange or 1-2-1 >>>phone and drive an Auto-Union to the station to travel by British Rail?
I still have my Orange phone and number from before the public launch, >>although the phone's only 2G and probably doesn't work any more.
Never had a 1-2-1 phone, but had several SIM-only accounts with them, >>including the phase when they merged and became known as "Nothing >>Anywhere".
I've still got an original mid 90s one-2-one phone. The phone worked fine >(though the battery lasted about 2 mins with a full charge) but then the >proprietary cradle charger died a few years back so now its just a brick.
I was going to donate it to the computer museum in bletchley but they never >got back to me so stuff 'em.
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