• Re: Another Eurostar Challenger

    From Rink@rink.hof.haalditmaarweg@planet.nl to uk.railway on Tue Aug 11 19:12:17 2026
    From Newsgroup: uk.railway

    Op 15-7-2026 om 17:36 schreef Rolf Mantel:
    Am 15.07.2026 um 16:52 schrieb Graeme Wall:
    On 15/07/2026 12:34, boltar@caprica.universe wrote:
    On Wed, 15 Jul 2026 12:29:19 +0100 Recliner
    <recliner.usenet@gmail.com> gabbled:
    On Wed, 15 Jul 2026 12:12:35 +0100, Certes <Certes@example.org>
    wrote:
    They may plan to split the trains south of the tunnel, so
    each pair can serve two destinations. That would effectively
    make seven trains if one is in the depot. (The odd train
    might be in Germany while a return from Paris couples with
    the return of the previous German service.) But that is just
    a guess; the article doesn't say they're doing that.

    Yes, that would be theoretically possible, but would of course
    depend on both paths being available on the LGV network (in
    both directions). I assume the split/rejoin would need to
    happen at Lille, which would therefore need platform capacity
    for it. Initially, if international facilities aren't available
    at the new stations, then a Lille shuffle may be needed when
    heading for the UK.

    The problem with joining and splitting trains is that it
    inevitably adds probably a minimum of 10-15 mins onto the journey
    and thats assuming a train isn't late or missing crew or some
    other issue.

    Doesn't take that long with the Weymouth trains splitting at Poole,
    and earlier at Southampton.

    In The Netherlands it took about 5 or 6 minutes (Utrecht and Zwolle).
    Splitting faster then combining.

    The challenge is more with reliability. In Germany, we keep seeing
    split courses being introduced for conveninence and removed for
    reliability,

    same in NL, NS does not split/combine here anymore, because there are
    now two lines to Zwolle, via Amersfoort and via Lelystad.


    the most famous example was the ICE 2 line Berlin -
    Cologne splitting in Hagen

    Hamm Hbf

    between the direct route via Wuppertal and the Ruhrgebiet line taking
    20-30 minutes longer but increasing the catchment area by another 5
    millions.

    the train via Wuppertal ended in K||ln Hbf (or maybe in Bonn Hbf?)
    the train to the Ruhrgebiet ended in D|+sseldorf Hbf.

    Rink
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  • From Ulf Kutzner@user2991@newsgrouper.org.invalid to uk.railway on Wed Aug 12 06:44:44 2026
    From Newsgroup: uk.railway


    Rink <rink.hof.haalditmaarweg@planet.nl> posted:

    Op 15-7-2026 om 17:36 schreef Rolf Mantel:
    Am 15.07.2026 um 16:52 schrieb Graeme Wall:
    On 15/07/2026 12:34, boltar@caprica.universe wrote:
    On Wed, 15 Jul 2026 12:29:19 +0100 Recliner
    <recliner.usenet@gmail.com> gabbled:
    On Wed, 15 Jul 2026 12:12:35 +0100, Certes <Certes@example.org>
    wrote:
    They may plan to split the trains south of the tunnel, so
    each pair can serve two destinations. That would effectively
    make seven trains if one is in the depot. (The odd train
    might be in Germany while a return from Paris couples with
    the return of the previous German service.) But that is just
    a guess; the article doesn't say they're doing that.

    Yes, that would be theoretically possible, but would of course
    depend on both paths being available on the LGV network (in
    both directions). I assume the split/rejoin would need to
    happen at Lille, which would therefore need platform capacity
    for it. Initially, if international facilities aren't available
    at the new stations, then a Lille shuffle may be needed when
    heading for the UK.

    The problem with joining and splitting trains is that it
    inevitably adds probably a minimum of 10-15 mins onto the journey
    and thats assuming a train isn't late or missing crew or some
    other issue.

    Doesn't take that long with the Weymouth trains splitting at Poole,
    and earlier at Southampton.

    In The Netherlands it took about 5 or 6 minutes (Utrecht and Zwolle). Splitting faster then combining.

    The challenge is more with reliability. In Germany, we keep seeing
    split courses being introduced for conveninence and removed for reliability,

    same in NL, NS does not split/combine here anymore, because there are
    now two lines to Zwolle, via Amersfoort and via Lelystad.


    the most famous example was the ICE 2 line Berlin -
    Cologne splitting in Hagen

    Hamm Hbf

    Hbf since 2019 for commercial purposes only.

    Regards, ULF
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