On Thu, 7 May 2026 13:37:58 +0100, Roland Perry <roland@perry.uk> wrote:
In message <ug0pvk1gnpqqmaoull8o1klhdvn5fi6gs2@4ax.com>, at 13:15:03 on >>Thu, 7 May 2026, Recliner <recliner.usenet@gmail.com> remarked:
On Mon, 16 Feb 2026 10:34:31 +0000, Roland Perry <roland@perry.uk> wrote: >>>
In message <10mulm6$nj1q$1@dont-email.me>, at 08:49:10 on Mon, 16 Feb >>>>2026, Graeme Wall <rail@greywall.demon.co.uk> remarked:
Maybe more people will walk from Cambridge South station (if they >>>>>>ever manage to get the darn thing opened). But it's nearly a >>>>>>kilometre to Outpatients, uphill, in all weathers, and crossing at >>>>>>least one busy road (unless an underpass in being constructed). Needs >>>>>>a monorail!
Whatever happened to the trackless tram demonstrated at the Millenium >>>>>Dome? That was supposed to be the answer for that sort of journey.
Bled to death (cf: bleeding edge) I presume.
The robot grocery delivery things in [a very limited bit of, but not far >>>>from the Biocampus] Cambridge have been withdrawn. So many problems with >>>>the concept. aiui they are giving it another go in Milton Keynes, using >>>>the cycleways. But cities with that many cycleways are a bit of a niche >>>>market.
See also the Amazon drones, which had a big development lab in >>>>Cambridge, but closed down. And don't even get me started on Airlander.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/videos/c0l21992z75o
Yes, I saw that on the lunchtime news.
Do they drop the packet on your lawn, or are they requiring customers
to have a little trampoline deployed as a combined target and >>de-accelerator.
Anyway, good luck trying to land something on my lawn, as there are
several rather big trees in the way (not to mention overhead cables >>belonging to Openreach etc).
There's been a lot of chatter recently about "Balcony solar panels"; I >>wonder if the Amazon drones could reliably land a parcel on someone's
fifth floor balcony when there isn't a lawn available.
And how does any of this work during thunderstorm, or heavy snow.
https://www.amazon.com/Prime-Air-Drone-Delivery/b?ie=UTF8&node=206533607011
In message <1c3pvkt51lfl1c9um78vr6nk1fpf3g41bn@4ax.com>, at 14:08:38 on
Thu, 7 May 2026, Recliner <recliner.usenet@gmail.com> remarked:
On Thu, 7 May 2026 13:37:58 +0100, Roland Perry <roland@perry.uk> wrote:
In message <ug0pvk1gnpqqmaoull8o1klhdvn5fi6gs2@4ax.com>, at 13:15:03 on
Thu, 7 May 2026, Recliner <recliner.usenet@gmail.com> remarked:
On Mon, 16 Feb 2026 10:34:31 +0000, Roland Perry <roland@perry.uk> wrote: >>>>
In message <10mulm6$nj1q$1@dont-email.me>, at 08:49:10 on Mon, 16 Feb >>>>> 2026, Graeme Wall <rail@greywall.demon.co.uk> remarked:https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/videos/c0l21992z75o
Maybe more people will walk from Cambridge South station (if they >>>>>>> ever manage to get the darn thing opened). But it's nearly a
kilometre to Outpatients, uphill, in all weathers, and crossing at >>>>>>> least one busy road (unless an underpass in being constructed). Needs >>>>>>> a monorail!
Whatever happened to the trackless tram demonstrated at the Millenium >>>>>> Dome? That was supposed to be the answer for that sort of journey.
Bled to death (cf: bleeding edge) I presume.
The robot grocery delivery things in [a very limited bit of, but not far >>>>> from the Biocampus] Cambridge have been withdrawn. So many problems with >>>>> the concept. aiui they are giving it another go in Milton Keynes, using >>>>> the cycleways. But cities with that many cycleways are a bit of a niche >>>>> market.
See also the Amazon drones, which had a big development lab in
Cambridge, but closed down. And don't even get me started on Airlander. >>>>
Yes, I saw that on the lunchtime news.
Do they drop the packet on your lawn, or are they requiring customers
to have a little trampoline deployed as a combined target and
de-accelerator.
Anyway, good luck trying to land something on my lawn, as there are
several rather big trees in the way (not to mention overhead cables
belonging to Openreach etc).
There's been a lot of chatter recently about "Balcony solar panels"; I
wonder if the Amazon drones could reliably land a parcel on someone's
fifth floor balcony when there isn't a lawn available.
And how does any of this work during thunderstorm, or heavy snow.
https://www.amazon.com/Prime-Air-Drone-Delivery/b?ie=UTF8&node=206533607011
"We do not offer drone delivery at night, during heavy winds, or
unfavorable weather." So that's a bit of a *fail* for the UK then.
And if it spots a pet in your garden, it aborts the delivery. So much
for getting things you need in a hurry.
Meanwhile: "Please ensure that people, pets, vehicles, and objects
taller than 5 feet (including plants) are at least 10 feet away from the selected delivery point." will completely rule out the majority of UK
homes. I'm glad we got that sorted out!
Interestingly, it doesn't mention overhead phone and power wires. Maybe
they don't have as much of that in the USA.
On 2026-05-07 8:29 a.m., boltar@caprica.universe wrote:
Its silly tech for its own sake. The only viable use case I can see is
the quick delivery of medical products and even then I can't imagine being >> dropped from 3 metres will do them much good.
Wasn't that part of a Midsomer Murders' plot on gogglebox years ago?
Roland Perry <roland@perry.uk> wrote:
In message <1c3pvkt51lfl1c9um78vr6nk1fpf3g41bn@4ax.com>, at 14:08:38 on
Thu, 7 May 2026, Recliner <recliner.usenet@gmail.com> remarked:
On Thu, 7 May 2026 13:37:58 +0100, Roland Perry <roland@perry.uk> wrote: >>>"We do not offer drone delivery at night, during heavy winds, or
In message <ug0pvk1gnpqqmaoull8o1klhdvn5fi6gs2@4ax.com>, at 13:15:03 on >>>> Thu, 7 May 2026, Recliner <recliner.usenet@gmail.com> remarked:
On Mon, 16 Feb 2026 10:34:31 +0000, Roland Perry <roland@perry.uk> wrote: >>>>>
In message <10mulm6$nj1q$1@dont-email.me>, at 08:49:10 on Mon, 16 Feb >>>>>> 2026, Graeme Wall <rail@greywall.demon.co.uk> remarked:https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/videos/c0l21992z75o
Bled to death (cf: bleeding edge) I presume.Maybe more people will walk from Cambridge South station (if they >>>>>>>> ever manage to get the darn thing opened). But it's nearly a
kilometre to Outpatients, uphill, in all weathers, and crossing at >>>>>>>> least one busy road (unless an underpass in being constructed). Needs >>>>>>>> a monorail!
Whatever happened to the trackless tram demonstrated at the Millenium >>>>>>> Dome? That was supposed to be the answer for that sort of journey. >>>>>>
The robot grocery delivery things in [a very limited bit of, but not far >>>>>> from the Biocampus] Cambridge have been withdrawn. So many problems with >>>>>> the concept. aiui they are giving it another go in Milton Keynes, using >>>>>> the cycleways. But cities with that many cycleways are a bit of a niche >>>>>> market.
See also the Amazon drones, which had a big development lab in
Cambridge, but closed down. And don't even get me started on Airlander. >>>>>
Yes, I saw that on the lunchtime news.
Do they drop the packet on your lawn, or are they requiring customers
to have a little trampoline deployed as a combined target and
de-accelerator.
Anyway, good luck trying to land something on my lawn, as there are
several rather big trees in the way (not to mention overhead cables
belonging to Openreach etc).
There's been a lot of chatter recently about "Balcony solar panels"; I >>>> wonder if the Amazon drones could reliably land a parcel on someone's
fifth floor balcony when there isn't a lawn available.
And how does any of this work during thunderstorm, or heavy snow.
https://www.amazon.com/Prime-Air-Drone-Delivery/b?ie=UTF8&node=206533607011 >>
unfavorable weather." So that's a bit of a *fail* for the UK then.
And if it spots a pet in your garden, it aborts the delivery. So much
for getting things you need in a hurry.
Meanwhile: "Please ensure that people, pets, vehicles, and objects
taller than 5 feet (including plants) are at least 10 feet away from the
selected delivery point." will completely rule out the majority of UK
homes. I'm glad we got that sorted out!
Interestingly, it doesn't mention overhead phone and power wires. Maybe
they don't have as much of that in the USA.
Actually, such overhead wires are much more common in the USA than here.
Meanwhile: "Please ensure that people, pets, vehicles, and objects
taller than 5 feet (including plants) are at least 10 feet away from the
selected delivery point." will completely rule out the majority of UK
homes. I'm glad we got that sorted out!
Interestingly, it doesn't mention overhead phone and power wires. Maybe
they don't have as much of that in the USA.
Actually, such overhead wires are much more common in the USA than here.
According to Recliner <recliner.usenet@gmail.com>:
Meanwhile: "Please ensure that people, pets, vehicles, and objects
taller than 5 feet (including plants) are at least 10 feet away from the >>> selected delivery point." will completely rule out the majority of UK
homes. I'm glad we got that sorted out!
Interestingly, it doesn't mention overhead phone and power wires. Maybe >>> they don't have as much of that in the USA.
Actually, such overhead wires are much more common in the USA than here.
Depends where you are. In new build developments and dense cities the wires are generally underground, but everywhere else they're up on poles.
Drone deliveries sort of make sense in places that aren't dense enough
to send out a truck with a driver, and I suppose there the wires would
be relatively easy to dodge, assuming the drone's cameras can see and recognize them.
Depends where you are. In new build developments and dense cities the wires >> are generally underground, but everywhere else they're up on poles.
Drone deliveries sort of make sense in places that aren't dense enough
to send out a truck with a driver, and I suppose there the wires would
be relatively easy to dodge, assuming the drone's cameras can see and
recognize them.
IrCOm still struggling to understand the economics of the rural delivery. By >definition the flight distance will be long and therefore take time. And
the drone has to fly back. All this to deliver one single lightweight
parcel. ItrCOs going to amount to 0.001% (carefully calculated figure!) of >AmazonrCOs deliveries.
According to Tweed <usenet.tweed@gmail.com>:
Depends where you are. In new build developments and dense cities the wires
are generally underground, but everywhere else they're up on poles.
Drone deliveries sort of make sense in places that aren't dense enough
to send out a truck with a driver, and I suppose there the wires would
be relatively easy to dodge, assuming the drone's cameras can see and
recognize them.
I'm still struggling to understand the economics of the rural delivery. By >>definition the flight distance will be long and therefore take time. And >>the drone has to fly back. All this to deliver one single lightweight >>parcel. It's going to amount to 0.001% (carefully calculated figure!) of >>Amazon's deliveries.
If the alternative is sending out a guy in a truck, the drone is likely
much cheaper. Remember how big and empty the U.S. is. I live in the
state of New York which is not particularly large by US standards, but
is bigger than England.
In the US, Amazon has sent packages through the USPS (our Post Office)
for places they don't handle themselves, although there was some sort
of contract dispute earlier this year and it's not clear how much they
will continue to do so.
According to Recliner <recliner.usenet@gmail.com>:
Meanwhile: "Please ensure that people, pets, vehicles, and objects
taller than 5 feet (including plants) are at least 10 feet away from the >>> selected delivery point." will completely rule out the majority of UK
homes. I'm glad we got that sorted out!
Interestingly, it doesn't mention overhead phone and power wires. Maybe
they don't have as much of that in the USA.
Actually, such overhead wires are much more common in the USA than here.
Depends where you are. In new build developments and dense cities the wires >are generally underground, but everywhere else they're up on poles.
Drone deliveries sort of make sense in places that aren't dense enough
to send out a truck with a driver, and I suppose there the wires would
be relatively easy to dodge, assuming the drone's cameras can see and >recognize them.
In message <10tl8ct$1abj$1@gal.iecc.com>, at 18:01:01 on Fri, 8 May
2026, John Levine <johnl@taugh.com> remarked:
According to Recliner <recliner.usenet@gmail.com>:
Meanwhile: "Please ensure that people, pets, vehicles, and objects
taller than 5 feet (including plants) are at least 10 feet away from the >>>> selected delivery point." will completely rule out the majority of UK
homes. I'm glad we got that sorted out!
Interestingly, it doesn't mention overhead phone and power wires. Maybe >>>> they don't have as much of that in the USA.
Actually, such overhead wires are much more common in the USA than here.
Depends where you are. In new build developments and dense cities the wires >> are generally underground, but everywhere else they're up on poles.
I was living in a gated community on the edge of the City, which I
suppose counts as "new build". Although the house was about ten years
old when we moved in 25yrs ago.
Drone deliveries sort of make sense in places that aren't dense enough
to send out a truck with a driver, and I suppose there the wires would
be relatively easy to dodge, assuming the drone's cameras can see and
recognize them.
Perhaps they'd map them, from Streetview images, for example, before agreeing to deliver.
If the alternative is sending out a guy in a truck, the drone is likely
much cheaper. Remember how big and empty the U.S. is. I live in the
state of New York which is not particularly large by US standards, but
is bigger than England.
Sure about that?
In the US, Amazon has sent packages through the USPS (our Post Office)
for places they don't handle themselves, although there was some sort
of contract dispute earlier this year and it's not clear how much they
will continue to do so.
In message <n67v24FgtfgU1@mid.individual.net>, at 05:29:40 on Sat, 9 May 2026, Bob Martin <bob.martin@excite.com> remarked:
If the alternative is sending out a guy in a truck, the drone is likely
much cheaper. Remember how big and empty the U.S. is. I live in the
state of New York which is not particularly large by US standards, but
is bigger than England.
Sure about that?
Apparently it depends how you measure the water.
England is approx 50,000 square miles, and NY 47,000 to 54,555 varying
by the methodology.
Meanwhile there three times as many people living in England as New York State.
Roland Perry <roland@perry.uk> wrote:
In message <10tl8ct$1abj$1@gal.iecc.com>, at 18:01:01 on Fri, 8 May
2026, John Levine <johnl@taugh.com> remarked:
According to Recliner <recliner.usenet@gmail.com>:
Depends where you are. In new build developments and dense cities the wiresMeanwhile: "Please ensure that people, pets, vehicles, and objects
taller than 5 feet (including plants) are at least 10 feet away from the >>>>> selected delivery point." will completely rule out the majority of UK >>>>> homes. I'm glad we got that sorted out!
Interestingly, it doesn't mention overhead phone and power wires. Maybe >>>>> they don't have as much of that in the USA.
Actually, such overhead wires are much more common in the USA than here. >>>
are generally underground, but everywhere else they're up on poles.
I was living in a gated community on the edge of the City, which I
suppose counts as "new build". Although the house was about ten years
old when we moved in 25yrs ago.
Drone deliveries sort of make sense in places that aren't dense enough
to send out a truck with a driver, and I suppose there the wires would
be relatively easy to dodge, assuming the drone's cameras can see and
recognize them.
Perhaps they'd map them, from Streetview images, for example, before
agreeing to deliver.
Amazon would have to pay Google for that,
even assuming that Streetview images are available in those semi-rural >areas.
In message <10tlcsc$22br$1@gal.iecc.com>, at 19:17:32 on Fri, 8 May
2026, John Levine <johnl@taugh.com> remarked:
In the US, Amazon has sent packages through the USPS (our Post Office)
for places they don't handle themselves, although there was some sort
of contract dispute earlier this year and it's not clear how much they
will continue to do so.
It always amuses the way the little flag on the postbox isn't in fact
"You have Mail", but "I'm sending Mail".
In message <4xBLR.14814$P5we.11224@fx05.ams1>, at 07:39:44 on Sat, 9 May 2026, Recliner <recliner.usenet@gmail.com> remarked:
Roland Perry <roland@perry.uk> wrote:
In message <10tl8ct$1abj$1@gal.iecc.com>, at 18:01:01 on Fri, 8 May
2026, John Levine <johnl@taugh.com> remarked:
According to Recliner <recliner.usenet@gmail.com>:
Depends where you are. In new build developments and dense cities the wiresMeanwhile: "Please ensure that people, pets, vehicles, and objects >>>>>> taller than 5 feet (including plants) are at least 10 feet away from the >>>>>> selected delivery point." will completely rule out the majority of UK >>>>>> homes. I'm glad we got that sorted out!
Interestingly, it doesn't mention overhead phone and power wires. Maybe >>>>>> they don't have as much of that in the USA.
Actually, such overhead wires are much more common in the USA than here. >>>>
are generally underground, but everywhere else they're up on poles.
I was living in a gated community on the edge of the City, which I
suppose counts as "new build". Although the house was about ten years
old when we moved in 25yrs ago.
Drone deliveries sort of make sense in places that aren't dense enough >>>> to send out a truck with a driver, and I suppose there the wires would >>>> be relatively easy to dodge, assuming the drone's cameras can see and
recognize them.
Perhaps they'd map them, from Streetview images, for example, before
agreeing to deliver.
Amazon would have to pay Google for that,
They will have umbrella contracts which include things like that.
even assuming that Streetview images are available in those semi-rural
areas.
Why wouldn't they be?
On 8 May 2026 at 19:17:32, John Levine <johnl@taugh.com> wrote:New York *State* is, yes. A bit less than half the population, but a
According to Tweed <usenet.tweed@gmail.com>:
Depends where you are. In new build developments and dense cities the wires
are generally underground, but everywhere else they're up on poles.
Drone deliveries sort of make sense in places that aren't dense enough >>>> to send out a truck with a driver, and I suppose there the wires would >>>> be relatively easy to dodge, assuming the drone's cameras can see and
recognize them.
I'm still struggling to understand the economics of the rural delivery. By >>> definition the flight distance will be long and therefore take time. And >>> the drone has to fly back. All this to deliver one single lightweight
parcel. It's going to amount to 0.001% (carefully calculated figure!) of >>> Amazon's deliveries.
If the alternative is sending out a guy in a truck, the drone is likely
much cheaper. Remember how big and empty the U.S. is. I live in the
state of New York which is not particularly large by US standards, but
is bigger than England.
Sure about that?
Apparently it depends how you measure the water.
England is approx 50,000 square miles, and NY 47,000 to 54,555 varying
by the methodology.
Who wants to live in
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hamilton_County,_New_York ?
On 09/05/2026 08:29, Bob Martin wrote:
On 8 May 2026 at 19:17:32, John Levine <johnl@taugh.com> wrote:New York *State* is, yes.-a A bit less than half the population, but a
According to Tweed-a <usenet.tweed@gmail.com>:
Depends where you are.-a In new build developments and dense cities >>>>> the wires
are generally underground, but everywhere else they're up on poles.
Drone deliveries sort of make sense in places that aren't dense enough >>>>> to send out a truck with a driver, and I suppose there the wires would >>>>> be relatively easy to dodge, assuming the drone's cameras can see and >>>>> recognize them.
I'm still struggling to understand the economics of the rural
delivery. By
definition the flight distance will be long and therefore take time.
And
the drone has to fly back. All this to deliver one single lightweight
parcel. It's going to amount to 0.001% (carefully calculated
figure!) of
Amazon's deliveries.
If the alternative is sending out a guy in a truck, the drone is likely
much cheaper.-a Remember how big and empty the U.S. is.-a I live in the
state of New York which is not particularly large by US standards, but
is bigger than England.
Sure about that?
tiny bit larger (141km^2 vs 130km^2.)-a Actually I think that number
doesn't include its share of Lake Ontario or Lake Erie either.
Not entirely clear to me what the point is though; Romania has roughly
the same population as New York State but about 70% more area, and we
still manage to deliver parcels somehow...
The inevitable "but Texas is the biggest place in the whole woooooorld" would probably, for once, have made a better case.
(Don't tell the Yanks Texas is actually roughly the same size as Alberta
or Manitoba, a third smaller than British Columbia or Ontario, or about
a third of the size of Mexico, less than half the size of Iran, or about
a quarter of a Kazakhstan - it's very important for them to believe It's
The Biggest Place In The World And Nobody Can Understand Just How Big It Is.)
Roland Perry <roland@perry.uk> wrote:
In message <4xBLR.14814$P5we.11224@fx05.ams1>, at 07:39:44 on Sat, 9 May
2026, Recliner <recliner.usenet@gmail.com> remarked:
Roland Perry <roland@perry.uk> wrote:
In message <10tl8ct$1abj$1@gal.iecc.com>, at 18:01:01 on Fri, 8 May
2026, John Levine <johnl@taugh.com> remarked:
According to Recliner <recliner.usenet@gmail.com>:
Depends where you are. In new build developments and dense cities >>>>>the wiresMeanwhile: "Please ensure that people, pets, vehicles, and objects >>>>>>> taller than 5 feet (including plants) are at least 10 feet away from the
selected delivery point." will completely rule out the majority of UK >>>>>>> homes. I'm glad we got that sorted out!
Interestingly, it doesn't mention overhead phone and power wires. Maybe >>>>>>> they don't have as much of that in the USA.
Actually, such overhead wires are much more common in the USA than here. >>>>>
are generally underground, but everywhere else they're up on poles.
I was living in a gated community on the edge of the City, which I
suppose counts as "new build". Although the house was about ten years
old when we moved in 25yrs ago.
Drone deliveries sort of make sense in places that aren't dense enough >>>>> to send out a truck with a driver, and I suppose there the wires would >>>>> be relatively easy to dodge, assuming the drone's cameras can see and >>>>> recognize them.
Perhaps they'd map them, from Streetview images, for example, before
agreeing to deliver.
Amazon would have to pay Google for that,
They will have umbrella contracts which include things like that.
even assuming that Streetview images are available in those semi-rural
areas.
Why wouldn't they be?
Try it and see.
And how many back gardens are covered on Streetview.
On 2026-05-09 12:36 a.m., Roland Perry wrote:
In message <10tlcsc$22br$1@gal.iecc.com>, at 19:17:32 on Fri, 8 May
2026, John Levine <johnl@taugh.com> remarked:
In the US, Amazon has sent packages through the USPS (our PostIt always amuses the way the little flag on the postbox isn't in
Office)
for places they don't handle themselves, although there was some sort
of contract dispute earlier this year and it's not clear how much they
will continue to do so.
fact
"You have Mail", but "I'm sending Mail".
It makes more sense, otherwise the driver would have to unnecessarily
stop at every address even with no mail to be dropped off.
Canada Post's group boxes in urban areas/apartment buildings have a--
slot for outgoing mail... though no opportunity to Fly The Flag.
In message <10tnkb4$3o588$1@dont-email.me>, at 08:37:07 on Sat, 9 May
2026, Nobody <jock@soccer.com> remarked:
On 2026-05-09 12:36 a.m., Roland Perry wrote:
In message <10tlcsc$22br$1@gal.iecc.com>, at 19:17:32 on Fri, 8 May
2026, John Levine <johnl@taugh.com> remarked:
In the US, Amazon has sent packages through the USPS (our Post Office) >>>> for places they don't handle themselves, although there was some sort-aIt always amuses the way the little flag on the postbox isn't in fact
of contract dispute earlier this year and it's not clear how much they >>>> will continue to do so.
"You have Mail", but "I'm sending Mail".
It makes more sense, otherwise the driver would have to unnecessarily
stop at every address even with no mail to be dropped off.
Whoosh! The flag-up thing is an icon for "You have mail", not "please
pick up my mail".
Canada Post's group boxes in urban areas/apartment buildings have a
slot for outgoing mail... though no opportunity to Fly The Flag.
In message <RxILR.30$O2a.9@fx14.ams1>, at 15:38:25 on Sat, 9 May 2026, Recliner <recliner.usenet@gmail.com> remarked:
Roland Perry <roland@perry.uk> wrote:
In message <4xBLR.14814$P5we.11224@fx05.ams1>, at 07:39:44 on Sat, 9 May >>> 2026, Recliner <recliner.usenet@gmail.com> remarked:
Roland Perry <roland@perry.uk> wrote:
In message <10tl8ct$1abj$1@gal.iecc.com>, at 18:01:01 on Fri, 8 May
2026, John Levine <johnl@taugh.com> remarked:
According to Recliner-a <recliner.usenet@gmail.com>:I was living in a gated community on the edge of the City, which I
Meanwhile: "Please ensure that people, pets, vehicles, and objects >>>>>>>> taller than 5 feet (including plants) are at least 10 feet away >>>>>>>> from the
selected delivery point." will completely rule out the majority >>>>>>>> of UK
homes. I'm glad we got that sorted out!
Interestingly, it doesn't mention overhead phone and power
wires. Maybe
they don't have as much of that in the USA.
Actually, such overhead wires are much more common in the USA
than here.
Depends where you are.-a In new build developments and dense cities >>>>>> the wires
are generally underground, but everywhere else they're up on poles. >>>>>
suppose counts as "new build". Although the house was about ten years >>>>> old when we moved in 25yrs ago.
Drone deliveries sort of make sense in places that aren't dense
enough
to send out a truck with a driver, and I suppose there the wires
would
be relatively easy to dodge, assuming the drone's cameras can see and >>>>>> recognize them.
Perhaps they'd map them, from Streetview images, for example, before >>>>> agreeing to deliver.
Amazon would have to pay Google for that,
They will have umbrella contracts which include things like that.
even assuming that Streetview images are available in those semi-rural >>>> areas.
Why wouldn't they be?
Try it and see.
I've got better things to do.
And how many back gardens are covered on Streetview.
I'm guessing most customers would want things delivered near their front door, not the back door.
In message <RxILR.30$O2a.9@fx14.ams1>, at 15:38:25 on Sat, 9 May 2026, Recliner <recliner.usenet@gmail.com> remarked:
Roland Perry <roland@perry.uk> wrote:
In message <4xBLR.14814$P5we.11224@fx05.ams1>, at 07:39:44 on Sat, 9 May >>> 2026, Recliner <recliner.usenet@gmail.com> remarked:
Roland Perry <roland@perry.uk> wrote:
In message <10tl8ct$1abj$1@gal.iecc.com>, at 18:01:01 on Fri, 8 May
2026, John Levine <johnl@taugh.com> remarked:
According to Recliner <recliner.usenet@gmail.com>:I was living in a gated community on the edge of the City, which I
Meanwhile: "Please ensure that people, pets, vehicles, and objects >>>>>>>> taller than 5 feet (including plants) are at least 10 feet away from the
selected delivery point." will completely rule out the majority of UK >>>>>>>> homes. I'm glad we got that sorted out!
Interestingly, it doesn't mention overhead phone and power wires. Maybe
they don't have as much of that in the USA.
Actually, such overhead wires are much more common in the USA than here.
Depends where you are. In new build developments and dense cities >>>>>> the wires
are generally underground, but everywhere else they're up on poles. >>>>>
suppose counts as "new build". Although the house was about ten years >>>>> old when we moved in 25yrs ago.
Drone deliveries sort of make sense in places that aren't dense enough >>>>>> to send out a truck with a driver, and I suppose there the wires would >>>>>> be relatively easy to dodge, assuming the drone's cameras can see and >>>>>> recognize them.
Perhaps they'd map them, from Streetview images, for example, before >>>>> agreeing to deliver.
Amazon would have to pay Google for that,
They will have umbrella contracts which include things like that.
even assuming that Streetview images are available in those semi-rural >>>> areas.
Why wouldn't they be?
Try it and see.
I've got better things to do.
And how many back gardens are covered on Streetview.
I'm guessing most customers would want things delivered near their front door, not the back door.
Whoosh! The flag-up thing is an icon for "You have mail", not "please
pick up my mail".
In message <10tnkb4$3o588$1@dont-email.me>, at 08:37:07 on Sat, 9 MayA whooshy-wishy reply.... see other responses.
2026, Nobody <jock@soccer.com> remarked:
On 2026-05-09 12:36 a.m., Roland Perry wrote:
In message <10tlcsc$22br$1@gal.iecc.com>, at 19:17:32 on Fri, 8 May
2026, John Levine <johnl@taugh.com> remarked:
In the US, Amazon has sent packages through the USPS (our PostIt always amuses the way the little flag on the postbox isn't in
Office)
for places they don't handle themselves, although there was some sort
of contract dispute earlier this year and it's not clear how much they >>>> will continue to do so.
fact
"You have Mail", but "I'm sending Mail".
It makes more sense, otherwise the driver would have to unnecessarily
stop at every address even with no mail to be dropped off.
Whoosh!
According to Roland Perry <roland@perry.uk>:
Whoosh! The flag-up thing is an icon for "You have mail", not "please
pick up my mail".
The little flag on my physical postbox is definitely a request to the postman to pick up mail I've left in it.
I realize that there are computer icons that look like that and might be interpreted to mean something else.
In message <4xBLR.14814$P5we.11224@fx05.ams1>, at 07:39:44 on Sat, 9 May >2026, Recliner <recliner.usenet@gmail.com> remarked:
Roland Perry <roland@perry.uk> wrote:
In message <10tl8ct$1abj$1@gal.iecc.com>, at 18:01:01 on Fri, 8 May
2026, John Levine <johnl@taugh.com> remarked:
According to Recliner <recliner.usenet@gmail.com>:
Depends where you are. In new build developments and dense cities the wiresMeanwhile: "Please ensure that people, pets, vehicles, and objects >>>>>> taller than 5 feet (including plants) are at least 10 feet away from the >>>>>> selected delivery point." will completely rule out the majority of UK >>>>>> homes. I'm glad we got that sorted out!
Interestingly, it doesn't mention overhead phone and power wires. Maybe >>>>>> they don't have as much of that in the USA.
Actually, such overhead wires are much more common in the USA than here. >>>>
are generally underground, but everywhere else they're up on poles.
I was living in a gated community on the edge of the City, which I
suppose counts as "new build". Although the house was about ten years
old when we moved in 25yrs ago.
Drone deliveries sort of make sense in places that aren't dense enough >>>> to send out a truck with a driver, and I suppose there the wires would >>>> be relatively easy to dodge, assuming the drone's cameras can see and
recognize them.
Perhaps they'd map them, from Streetview images, for example, before
agreeing to deliver.
Amazon would have to pay Google for that,
They will have umbrella contracts which include things like that.
even assuming that Streetview images are available in those semi-rural >>areas.
Why wouldn't they be?
On Thu, 7 May 2026 10:09:22 -0700
Nobody <jock@soccer.com> gabbled:
On 2026-05-07 8:29 a.m., boltar@caprica.universe wrote:
Its silly tech for its own sake. The only viable use case I can see is
the quick delivery of medical products and even then I can't imagine being >>> dropped from 3 metres will do them much good.
Wasn't that part of a Midsomer Murders' plot on gogglebox years ago?
Someone killed by soemthing dropped on them by a drone? If it wasn't it >probably soon will be!
On 09/05/2026 20:56, Roland Perry wrote:
In message <10tnkb4$3o588$1@dont-email.me>, at 08:37:07 on Sat, 9 May >>2026, Nobody <jock@soccer.com> remarked:
On 2026-05-09 12:36 a.m., Roland Perry wrote:
In message <10tlcsc$22br$1@gal.iecc.com>, at 19:17:32 on Fri, 8 May
2026, John Levine <johnl@taugh.com> remarked:
In the US, Amazon has sent packages through the USPS (our Post Office) >>>>> for places they don't handle themselves, although there was some sort >>>>> of contract dispute earlier this year and it's not clear how much they >>>>> will continue to do so.aIt always amuses the way the little flag on the postbox isn't in fact >>>> "You have Mail", but "I'm sending Mail".
It makes more sense, otherwise the driver would have to
unnecessarily stop at every address even with no mail to be dropped
Whoosh! The flag-up thing is an icon for "You have mail", not
"please pick up my mail".
Are you sure? Several sources suggest the latter.
--Canada Post's group boxes in urban areas/apartment buildings have a >>>slot for outgoing mail... though no opportunity to Fly The Flag.
On 09/05/2026 20:58, Roland Perry wrote:
In message <RxILR.30$O2a.9@fx14.ams1>, at 15:38:25 on Sat, 9 May
2026, Recliner <recliner.usenet@gmail.com> remarked:
Roland Perry <roland@perry.uk> wrote:
In message <4xBLR.14814$P5we.11224@fx05.ams1>, at 07:39:44 on Sat, 9 May >>>> 2026, Recliner <recliner.usenet@gmail.com> remarked:
Roland Perry <roland@perry.uk> wrote:
In message <10tl8ct$1abj$1@gal.iecc.com>, at 18:01:01 on Fri, 8 May >>>>>> 2026, John Levine <johnl@taugh.com> remarked:
According to Reclinera <recliner.usenet@gmail.com>:
I've got better things to do.I was living in a gated community on the edge of the City, which I >>>>>> suppose counts as "new build". Although the house was about ten years >>>>>> old when we moved in 25yrs ago.Meanwhile: "Please ensure that people, pets, vehicles, and
taller than 5 feet (including plants) are at least 10 feet >>>>>>>>>away from the selected delivery point." will completely rule >>>>>>>>>out the majority of UK homes. I'm glad we got that sorted out! >>>>>>>>>
Interestingly, it doesn't mention overhead phone and power >>>>>>>>>wires. Maybe they don't have as much of that in the USA.
Actually, such overhead wires are much more common in the USA >>>>>>>>than here.
Depends where you are.a In new build developments and dense >>>>>>>cities the wires
are generally underground, but everywhere else they're up on poles. >>>>>>
Drone deliveries sort of make sense in places that aren't dense >>>>>>>
to send out a truck with a driver, and I suppose there the wires >>>>>>>would
be relatively easy to dodge, assuming the drone's cameras can see and >>>>>>> recognize them.
Perhaps they'd map them, from Streetview images, for example, before >>>>>> agreeing to deliver.
Amazon would have to pay Google for that,
They will have umbrella contracts which include things like that.
even assuming that Streetview images are available in those semi-rural >>>>> areas.
Why wouldn't they be?
Try it and see.
And how many back gardens are covered on Streetview.
I'm guessing most customers would want things delivered near their
front door, not the back door.
I would suggest that, taking into account the number of parcels being >stolen, the back door may well be more secure!
Roland Perry <roland@perry.uk> wrote:
In message <RxILR.30$O2a.9@fx14.ams1>, at 15:38:25 on Sat, 9 May 2026,
Recliner <recliner.usenet@gmail.com> remarked:
Roland Perry <roland@perry.uk> wrote:
In message <4xBLR.14814$P5we.11224@fx05.ams1>, at 07:39:44 on Sat, 9 May >>>> 2026, Recliner <recliner.usenet@gmail.com> remarked:
Roland Perry <roland@perry.uk> wrote:
In message <10tl8ct$1abj$1@gal.iecc.com>, at 18:01:01 on Fri, 8 May >>>>>> 2026, John Levine <johnl@taugh.com> remarked:
According to Recliner <recliner.usenet@gmail.com>:I was living in a gated community on the edge of the City, which I >>>>>> suppose counts as "new build". Although the house was about ten years >>>>>> old when we moved in 25yrs ago.
Meanwhile: "Please ensure that people, pets, vehicles, and objects >>>>>>>>> taller than 5 feet (including plants) are at least 10 feet >>>>>>>>>away from the
selected delivery point." will completely rule out the majority of UK >>>>>>>>> homes. I'm glad we got that sorted out!
Interestingly, it doesn't mention overhead phone and power >>>>>>>>>wires. Maybe
they don't have as much of that in the USA.
Actually, such overhead wires are much more common in the USA >>>>>>>>than here.
Depends where you are. In new build developments and dense cities >>>>>>> the wires
are generally underground, but everywhere else they're up on poles. >>>>>>
Drone deliveries sort of make sense in places that aren't dense enough >>>>>>> to send out a truck with a driver, and I suppose there the wires would >>>>>>> be relatively easy to dodge, assuming the drone's cameras can see and >>>>>>> recognize them.
Perhaps they'd map them, from Streetview images, for example, before >>>>>> agreeing to deliver.
Amazon would have to pay Google for that,
They will have umbrella contracts which include things like that.
even assuming that Streetview images are available in those semi-rural >>>>> areas.
Why wouldn't they be?
Try it and see.
I've got better things to do.
As usual,
you spend more time arguing than verifying facts.
And how many back gardens are covered on Streetview.
I'm guessing most customers would want things delivered near their front
door, not the back door.
They may have a more suitable drop zone at the back, plus itrCOs a more >secure location if a parcel is delivered while theyrCOre out (remember, in >the US, people donrCOt normally have front fences, walls or even hedges). So >the back yard is much more likely to be the preferred location.
According to Roland Perry <roland@perry.uk>:
Whoosh! The flag-up thing is an icon for "You have mail", not "please
pick up my mail".
The little flag on my physical postbox is definitely a request to the >postman to pick up mail I've left in it.
I realize that there are computer icons that look like that
and might be interpreted to mean something else.
On 09/05/2026 22:27, John Levine wrote:
According to Roland Perry <roland@perry.uk>:
Whoosh! The flag-up thing is an icon for "You have mail", not "please
pick up my mail".
The little flag on my physical postbox is definitely a request to
the postman to pick up mail I've left in it.
I realize that there are computer icons that look like that and
might be interpreted to mean something else.
Yes, I think we can agree that the iconic physical flag on an actual
tangible US mailbox means "Mailman: please pick up" but a virtual flag
on a computer icon can mean "User: you have mail". We were discussing
the USPS (in relation to Amazon) rather than on-screen GUIs.
In message <moNLR.62$Mk2.40@fx17.ams1>, at 21:09:38 on Sat, 9 May 2026, >Recliner <recliner.usenet@gmail.com> remarked:
Roland Perry <roland@perry.uk> wrote:
In message <RxILR.30$O2a.9@fx14.ams1>, at 15:38:25 on Sat, 9 May 2026,
Recliner <recliner.usenet@gmail.com> remarked:
Roland Perry <roland@perry.uk> wrote:
In message <4xBLR.14814$P5we.11224@fx05.ams1>, at 07:39:44 on Sat, 9 May >>>>> 2026, Recliner <recliner.usenet@gmail.com> remarked:
Roland Perry <roland@perry.uk> wrote:
In message <10tl8ct$1abj$1@gal.iecc.com>, at 18:01:01 on Fri, 8 May >>>>>>> 2026, John Levine <johnl@taugh.com> remarked:
According to Recliner <recliner.usenet@gmail.com>:I was living in a gated community on the edge of the City, which I >>>>>>> suppose counts as "new build". Although the house was about ten years >>>>>>> old when we moved in 25yrs ago.
Meanwhile: "Please ensure that people, pets, vehicles, and objects >>>>>>>>>> taller than 5 feet (including plants) are at least 10 feet >>>>>>>>>>away from the
selected delivery point." will completely rule out the majority of UK
homes. I'm glad we got that sorted out!
Interestingly, it doesn't mention overhead phone and power >>>>>>>>>>wires. Maybe
they don't have as much of that in the USA.
Actually, such overhead wires are much more common in the USA >>>>>>>>>than here.
Depends where you are. In new build developments and dense cities >>>>>>>> the wires
are generally underground, but everywhere else they're up on poles. >>>>>>>
Drone deliveries sort of make sense in places that aren't dense enough >>>>>>>> to send out a truck with a driver, and I suppose there the wires would >>>>>>>> be relatively easy to dodge, assuming the drone's cameras can see and >>>>>>>> recognize them.
Perhaps they'd map them, from Streetview images, for example, before >>>>>>> agreeing to deliver.
Amazon would have to pay Google for that,
They will have umbrella contracts which include things like that.
even assuming that Streetview images are available in those semi-rural >>>>>> areas.
Why wouldn't they be?
Try it and see.
I've got better things to do.
As usual,
Tired, old, discredited playbook.
you spend more time arguing than verifying facts.
At least I've thought about whether it was worth doing the exercise. If >*you* think it is, please produce the results yourself, if you think
your point has any merit.
And how many back gardens are covered on Streetview.
I'm guessing most customers would want things delivered near their front >>> door, not the back door.
They may have a more suitable drop zone at the back, plus itrCOs a more >>secure location if a parcel is delivered while theyrCOre out (remember, in >>the US, people donrCOt normally have front fences, walls or even hedges). So >>the back yard is much more likely to be the preferred location.
They don't typically have fences round their rear yard either (this was >discussed a few days ago, but agrees with my own observations).
Another problem with delivering to the rear yard is you'd have to go out
and find the parcel - some distance from the house because of the rules
- whereas if it was at the front you'd spot it when you got home.
Despite having a large rear yard, the house I lived in had lots of very
big trees in the back, and to get to the lawn (huh! scrubby patch of
grass) meant going down into the basement and opening the back door. Of >course, the dogs might have got to it first (but see Amazon's rules
about pets).
On Sat, 9 May 2026 16:14:55 +0100, Roland Perry <roland@perry.uk>
wrote:
In message <4xBLR.14814$P5we.11224@fx05.ams1>, at 07:39:44 on Sat, 9 May >>2026, Recliner <recliner.usenet@gmail.com> remarked:Even in the UK a lot of town images are years out of date or for some
Roland Perry <roland@perry.uk> wrote:
In message <10tl8ct$1abj$1@gal.iecc.com>, at 18:01:01 on Fri, 8 May
2026, John Levine <johnl@taugh.com> remarked:
According to Recliner <recliner.usenet@gmail.com>:
Depends where you are. In new build developments and dense cities the wiresMeanwhile: "Please ensure that people, pets, vehicles, and objects >>>>>>> taller than 5 feet (including plants) are at least 10 feet away from the
selected delivery point." will completely rule out the majority of UK >>>>>>> homes. I'm glad we got that sorted out!
Interestingly, it doesn't mention overhead phone and power wires. Maybe >>>>>>> they don't have as much of that in the USA.
Actually, such overhead wires are much more common in the USA than here. >>>>>
are generally underground, but everywhere else they're up on poles.
I was living in a gated community on the edge of the City, which I
suppose counts as "new build". Although the house was about ten years
old when we moved in 25yrs ago.
Drone deliveries sort of make sense in places that aren't dense enough >>>>> to send out a truck with a driver, and I suppose there the wires would >>>>> be relatively easy to dodge, assuming the drone's cameras can see and >>>>> recognize them.
Perhaps they'd map them, from Streetview images, for example, before
agreeing to deliver.
Amazon would have to pay Google for that,
They will have umbrella contracts which include things like that.
even assuming that Streetview images are available in those semi-rural >>>areas.
Why wouldn't they be?
reason significant bits of road have been missed by the Googlewagen.
On Sun, 10 May 2026 02:13:48 +0100, Charles Ellson <charlesellson@btinternet.com> wrote:
On Sat, 9 May 2026 16:14:55 +0100, Roland Perry <roland@perry.uk>
wrote:
In message <4xBLR.14814$P5we.11224@fx05.ams1>, at 07:39:44 on Sat, 9 May >>> 2026, Recliner <recliner.usenet@gmail.com> remarked:Even in the UK a lot of town images are years out of date or for some
Roland Perry <roland@perry.uk> wrote:
In message <10tl8ct$1abj$1@gal.iecc.com>, at 18:01:01 on Fri, 8 May
2026, John Levine <johnl@taugh.com> remarked:
According to Recliner <recliner.usenet@gmail.com>:I was living in a gated community on the edge of the City, which I
Meanwhile: "Please ensure that people, pets, vehicles, and objects >>>>>>>> taller than 5 feet (including plants) are at least 10 feet away from the
selected delivery point." will completely rule out the majority of UK >>>>>>>> homes. I'm glad we got that sorted out!
Interestingly, it doesn't mention overhead phone and power wires. Maybe
they don't have as much of that in the USA.
Actually, such overhead wires are much more common in the USA than here.
Depends where you are. In new build developments and dense cities the wires
are generally underground, but everywhere else they're up on poles. >>>>>
suppose counts as "new build". Although the house was about ten years >>>>> old when we moved in 25yrs ago.
Drone deliveries sort of make sense in places that aren't dense enough >>>>>> to send out a truck with a driver, and I suppose there the wires would >>>>>> be relatively easy to dodge, assuming the drone's cameras can see and >>>>>> recognize them.
Perhaps they'd map them, from Streetview images, for example, before >>>>> agreeing to deliver.
Amazon would have to pay Google for that,
They will have umbrella contracts which include things like that.
even assuming that Streetview images are available in those semi-rural >>>> areas.
Why wouldn't they be?
reason significant bits of road have been missed by the Googlewagen.
Private roads and estates are also not normally covered.
Recliner <recliner.usenet@gmail.com> wrote:
On Sun, 10 May 2026 02:13:48 +0100, Charles Ellson <charlesellson@btinternet.com> wrote:
On Sat, 9 May 2026 16:14:55 +0100, Roland Perry <roland@perry.uk>
wrote:
In message <4xBLR.14814$P5we.11224@fx05.ams1>, at 07:39:44 on Sat, 9 May >>>> 2026, Recliner <recliner.usenet@gmail.com> remarked:Even in the UK a lot of town images are years out of date or for some
Roland Perry <roland@perry.uk> wrote:
In message <10tl8ct$1abj$1@gal.iecc.com>, at 18:01:01 on Fri, 8 May >>>>>> 2026, John Levine <johnl@taugh.com> remarked:
According to Recliner <recliner.usenet@gmail.com>:I was living in a gated community on the edge of the City, which I >>>>>> suppose counts as "new build". Although the house was about ten years >>>>>> old when we moved in 25yrs ago.
Meanwhile: "Please ensure that people, pets, vehicles, and objects >>>>>>>>> taller than 5 feet (including plants) are at least 10 feet away from the
selected delivery point." will completely rule out the majority of UK >>>>>>>>> homes. I'm glad we got that sorted out!
Interestingly, it doesn't mention overhead phone and power wires. Maybe
they don't have as much of that in the USA.
Actually, such overhead wires are much more common in the USA than here.
Depends where you are. In new build developments and dense cities the wires
are generally underground, but everywhere else they're up on poles. >>>>>>
Drone deliveries sort of make sense in places that aren't dense enough >>>>>>> to send out a truck with a driver, and I suppose there the wires would >>>>>>> be relatively easy to dodge, assuming the drone's cameras can see and >>>>>>> recognize them.
Perhaps they'd map them, from Streetview images, for example, before >>>>>> agreeing to deliver.
Amazon would have to pay Google for that,
They will have umbrella contracts which include things like that.
even assuming that Streetview images are available in those semi-rural >>>>> areas.
Why wouldn't they be?
reason significant bits of road have been missed by the Googlewagen.
Private roads and estates are also not normally covered.
IrCOm still really struggling to understand the economics of this.
WhatrCOs
going to be the average there and back flying time to the rural remote >location? How many trips can the drone make per day? ItrCOs going to tie up a >relatively expensive piece of equipment, and the supervising operator to >deliver a low value purchase.
In message <10toase$3uvec$1@dont-email.me>, at 23:01:50 on Sat, 9 May
2026, Certes <Certes@example.org> remarked:
On 09/05/2026 22:27, John Levine wrote:
According to Roland Perry <roland@perry.uk>:
Whoosh! The flag-up thing is an icon for "You have mail", not "please
pick up my mail".
The little flag on my physical postbox is definitely a request to
the postman to pick up mail I've left in it.
I realize that there are computer icons that look like that and
might be interpreted to mean something else.
Yes, I think we can agree that the iconic physical flag on an actual
tangible US mailbox means "Mailman: please pick up" but a virtual flag
on a computer icon can mean "User: you have mail". We were discussing
the USPS (in relation to Amazon) rather than on-screen GUIs.
Apart from when I introduced the topic of on-screen GUIs, that is.
On Fri, 8 May 2026 09:13:35 -0000 (UTC), boltar@caprica.universe
wrote:
On Thu, 7 May 2026 10:09:22 -0700"Death by Persuasion"
Nobody <jock@soccer.com> gabbled:
On 2026-05-07 8:29 a.m., boltar@caprica.universe wrote:
Its silly tech for its own sake. The only viable use case I can see is >>>> the quick delivery of medical products and even then I can't imagine being >>>> dropped from 3 metres will do them much good.
Wasn't that part of a Midsomer Murders' plot on gogglebox years ago?
Someone killed by soemthing dropped on them by a drone? If it wasn't it >>probably soon will be!
"MURDER 2: Ronin calls Polly. He says knows who killed her. A drone
flying above drops a knife and it falls into Ronin's chest." >https://midsomermurders.fandom.com/wiki/Death_by_Persuasion
On Sun, 10 May 2026 02:21:00 +0100
Charles Ellson <charlesellson@btinternet.com> gabbled:
On Fri, 8 May 2026 09:13:35 -0000 (UTC), boltar@caprica.universe
wrote:
On Thu, 7 May 2026 10:09:22 -0700"Death by Persuasion"
Nobody <jock@soccer.com> gabbled:
On 2026-05-07 8:29 a.m., boltar@caprica.universe wrote:
Its silly tech for its own sake. The only viable use case I can see is >>>>> the quick delivery of medical products and even then I can't imagine being
dropped from 3 metres will do them much good.
Wasn't that part of a Midsomer Murders' plot on gogglebox years ago?
Someone killed by soemthing dropped on them by a drone? If it wasn't it
probably soon will be!
"MURDER 2: Ronin calls Polly. He says knows who killed her. A drone
flying above drops a knife and it falls into Ronin's chest."
https://midsomermurders.fandom.com/wiki/Death_by_Persuasion
A knife seems to be pushing credibility even for a midsommer plot given
the chances of it hitting at just the right angle is pretty low. A large
rock on the head would do a much better job.
On 2026-05-10 2:16 a.m., Roland Perry wrote:
In message <10toase$3uvec$1@dont-email.me>, at 23:01:50 on Sat, 9 May
2026, Certes <Certes@example.org> remarked:
On 09/05/2026 22:27, John Levine wrote:
According to Roland Perry <roland@perry.uk>:
Whoosh! The flag-up thing is an icon for "You have mail", not >>>>>"please
pick up my mail".
The little flag on my physical postbox is definitely a request to
the postman to pick up mail I've left in it.
I realize that there are computer icons that look like that and
might be interpreted to mean something else.
Yes, I think we can agree that the iconic physical flag on an actual
tangible US mailbox means "Mailman: please pick up" but a virtual flag
on a computer icon can mean "User: you have mail". We were discussing
the USPS (in relation to Amazon) rather than on-screen GUIs.
Apart from when I introduced the topic of on-screen GUIs, that is.
And why?
On Sun, 10 May 2026 10:12:15 +0100, Roland Perry <roland@perry.uk> wrote:
In message <moNLR.62$Mk2.40@fx17.ams1>, at 21:09:38 on Sat, 9 May 2026, >>Recliner <recliner.usenet@gmail.com> remarked:
Roland Perry <roland@perry.uk> wrote:
In message <RxILR.30$O2a.9@fx14.ams1>, at 15:38:25 on Sat, 9 May 2026, >>>> Recliner <recliner.usenet@gmail.com> remarked:
Roland Perry <roland@perry.uk> wrote:
In message <4xBLR.14814$P5we.11224@fx05.ams1>, at 07:39:44 on Sat, 9 May >>>>>> 2026, Recliner <recliner.usenet@gmail.com> remarked:
Roland Perry <roland@perry.uk> wrote:
In message <10tl8ct$1abj$1@gal.iecc.com>, at 18:01:01 on Fri, 8 May >>>>>>>> 2026, John Levine <johnl@taugh.com> remarked:
According to Recliner <recliner.usenet@gmail.com>:
Meanwhile: "Please ensure that people, pets, vehicles, and >>>>>>>>>>> taller than 5 feet (including plants) are at least 10 feet >>>>>>>>>>>away from the selected delivery point." will completely rule >>>>>>>>>>>out the majority of UK homes. I'm glad we got that sorted out! >>>>>>>>>>>
Interestingly, it doesn't mention overhead phone and power >>>>>>>>>>>wires. Maybe they don't have as much of that in the USA.
Actually, such overhead wires are much more common in the USA >>>>>>>>>>than here.
Depends where you are. In new build developments and dense >>>>>>>>> the wires are generally underground, but everywhere else >>>>>>>>>they're up on poles.
I was living in a gated community on the edge of the City, which I >>>>>>>> suppose counts as "new build". Although the house was about ten years >>>>>>>> old when we moved in 25yrs ago.
Drone deliveries sort of make sense in places that aren't dense enough
to send out a truck with a driver, and I suppose there the wires would
be relatively easy to dodge, assuming the drone's cameras can see and >>>>>>>>> recognize them.
Perhaps they'd map them, from Streetview images, for example, before >>>>>>>> agreeing to deliver.
Amazon would have to pay Google for that,
They will have umbrella contracts which include things like that.
even assuming that Streetview images are available in those semi-rural >>>>>>> areas.
Why wouldn't they be?
Try it and see.
I've got better things to do.
As usual,
Tired, old, discredited playbook.
you spend more time arguing than verifying facts.
At least I've thought about whether it was worth doing the exercise. If >>*you* think it is, please produce the results yourself, if you think
your point has any merit.
Obviously, I did confirm what I already knew from previous use of >Streetview.
Unlike you, I'm not allergic to facts.
And how many back gardens are covered on Streetview.
I'm guessing most customers would want things delivered near their front >>>> door, not the back door.
They may have a more suitable drop zone at the back, plus itrCOs a more >>>secure location if a parcel is delivered while theyrCOre out (remember, in >>>the US, people donrCOt normally have front fences, walls or even hedges). So >>>the back yard is much more likely to be the preferred location.
They don't typically have fences round their rear yard either (this was >>discussed a few days ago, but agrees with my own observations).
Another problem with delivering to the rear yard is you'd have to go out >>and find the parcel - some distance from the house because of the rules
- whereas if it was at the front you'd spot it when you got home.
Despite having a large rear yard, the house I lived in had lots of very
big trees in the back, and to get to the lawn (huh! scrubby patch of
grass) meant going down into the basement and opening the back door. Of >>course, the dogs might have got to it first (but see Amazon's rules
about pets).
As always, you confuse anecdata with data.
The simple truth is that in semi-rural areas, Streetview doesn't have
images
from all the roads,
and few back yards are covered.
For many, perhaps a majority, of such possibly customers, Streetview
simply won't have the coverage.
As I mutter at the TV (to my other half's constant annoyance) with mere >details such as that, "It's only a story."
There's another crime/mystery series in which, no matter how long the >problem takes to be resolved, the wisteria over a doorway never seems
to stop flowering.
Amazon says it can cover distances within a range of 7.5 miles from its >fulfillment centre, which will rise to 10, at speeds of up to 50 mph.
In the US, where the service operates in five states (Texas, Michigan, >Arizona, Florida, Kansas),
deliveries take an average of 36 minutes from order.
In message <10to8rl$1lbm$1@gal.iecc.com>, at 21:27:17 on Sat, 9 May
2026, John Levine <johnl@taugh.com> remarked:
According to Roland Perry <roland@perry.uk>:
Whoosh! The flag-up thing is an icon for "You have mail", not "please
pick up my mail".
The little flag on my physical postbox is definitely a request to the
postman to pick up mail I've left in it.
Indeed, but that's not an icon.
On 2026-05-10 8:46 a.m., boltar@caprica.universe wrote:
A knife seems to be pushing credibility even for a midsommer plot given
the chances of it hitting at just the right angle is pretty low. A large
rock on the head would do a much better job.
As I mutter at the TV (to my other half's constant annoyance) with mere >details such as that, "It's only a story."
There's another crime/mystery series in which, no matter how long the >problem takes to be resolved, the wisteria over a doorway never seems to >stop flowering.
In message <ml610ldfsjjlok2narfclu1oku6fb5stg6@4ax.com>, at 16:03:18 on
Sun, 10 May 2026, Recliner <recliner.usenet@gmail.com> remarked:
Amazon says it can cover distances within a range of 7.5 miles from its >>fulfillment centre, which will rise to 10, at speeds of up to 50 mph.
In the US, where the service operates in five states (Texas, Michigan, >>Arizona, Florida, Kansas),
Even in urban areas, I'm sceptical they have fulfilment centres within
ten miles of the majority of the qualifying (ie have unencumbered large >lawns) customers.
On Sun, 10 May 2026 11:08:13 -0700
Nobody <jock@soccer.com> gabbled:
On 2026-05-10 8:46 a.m., boltar@caprica.universe wrote:
A knife seems to be pushing credibility even for a midsommer plot given
the chances of it hitting at just the right angle is pretty low. A large >>> rock on the head would do a much better job.
As I mutter at the TV (to my other half's constant annoyance) with mere >>details such as that, "It's only a story."
There's another crime/mystery series in which, no matter how long the >>problem takes to be resolved, the wisteria over a doorway never seems to >>stop flowering.
The thing that most gets up my nose is the tacit rewriting of social history >with even dramas set in the 40s and 50s seemingly populated by a large >proportion of BAME even in the countryside. And as for medieval dramas,
oh dear....
On Mon, 11 May 2026 08:33:18 -0000 (UTC), boltar@caprica.universe wrote:
On Sun, 10 May 2026 11:08:13 -0700
Nobody <jock@soccer.com> gabbled:
On 2026-05-10 8:46 a.m., boltar@caprica.universe wrote:
A knife seems to be pushing credibility even for a midsommer plot given >>>> the chances of it hitting at just the right angle is pretty low. A large >>>> rock on the head would do a much better job.
As I mutter at the TV (to my other half's constant annoyance) with mere >>>details such as that, "It's only a story."
There's another crime/mystery series in which, no matter how long the >>>problem takes to be resolved, the wisteria over a doorway never seems to >>>stop flowering.
The thing that most gets up my nose is the tacit rewriting of social history >>with even dramas set in the 40s and 50s seemingly populated by a large >>proportion of BAME even in the countryside. And as for medieval dramas,
oh dear....
What actually works better is when they do all-black versions of classics, >re-written for an African context. Any whites
are foreign visitors.
On Mon, 11 May 2026 14:26:24 +0100
Recliner <recliner.usenet@gmail.com> gabbled:
On Mon, 11 May 2026 08:33:18 -0000 (UTC), boltar@caprica.universe wrote:
On Sun, 10 May 2026 11:08:13 -0700
Nobody <jock@soccer.com> gabbled:
On 2026-05-10 8:46 a.m., boltar@caprica.universe wrote:
A knife seems to be pushing credibility even for a midsommer plot given >>>>> the chances of it hitting at just the right angle is pretty low. A large >>>>> rock on the head would do a much better job.
As I mutter at the TV (to my other half's constant annoyance) with mere >>>> details such as that, "It's only a story."
There's another crime/mystery series in which, no matter how long the >>>> problem takes to be resolved, the wisteria over a doorway never seems to >>>> stop flowering.
The thing that most gets up my nose is the tacit rewriting of social history
with even dramas set in the 40s and 50s seemingly populated by a large
proportion of BAME even in the countryside. And as for medieval dramas, >>> oh dear....
What actually works better is when they do all-black versions of classics, >> re-written for an African context. Any whites
are foreign visitors.
Yes, somehow I doubt there are token white people in such productions. Also its amusing how it seems any famous white character can be played by a black person, eg Henry V, but I can just imagine the foaming at the mouth if a white person were chosen to play Mandela or Luther King.
<boltar@caprica.universe> wrote:
On Mon, 11 May 2026 14:26:24 +0100
Recliner <recliner.usenet@gmail.com> gabbled:
On Mon, 11 May 2026 08:33:18 -0000 (UTC), boltar@caprica.universe wrote: >>>
On Sun, 10 May 2026 11:08:13 -0700
Nobody <jock@soccer.com> gabbled:
On 2026-05-10 8:46 a.m., boltar@caprica.universe wrote:
A knife seems to be pushing credibility even for a midsommer plot given >>>>>> the chances of it hitting at just the right angle is pretty low. A large >>>>>> rock on the head would do a much better job.
As I mutter at the TV (to my other half's constant annoyance) with mere >>>>> details such as that, "It's only a story."
There's another crime/mystery series in which, no matter how long the >>>>> problem takes to be resolved, the wisteria over a doorway never seems to >>>>> stop flowering.
The thing that most gets up my nose is the tacit rewriting of social history
with even dramas set in the 40s and 50s seemingly populated by a large >>>> proportion of BAME even in the countryside. And as for medieval dramas, >>>> oh dear....
What actually works better is when they do all-black versions of classics, >>> re-written for an African context. Any whites
are foreign visitors.
Yes, somehow I doubt there are token white people in such productions. Also >> its amusing how it seems any famous white character can be played by a black >> person, eg Henry V, but I can just imagine the foaming at the mouth if a
white person were chosen to play Mandela or Luther King.
It used to happen a lot in the past, with even Othello normally being
played by a white actor. Not any more, of course.
On 11/05/2026 17:05, Recliner wrote:
<boltar@caprica.universe> wrote:
On Mon, 11 May 2026 14:26:24 +0100
Recliner <recliner.usenet@gmail.com> gabbled:
On Mon, 11 May 2026 08:33:18 -0000 (UTC), boltar@caprica.universe wrote: >>>>
On Sun, 10 May 2026 11:08:13 -0700
Nobody <jock@soccer.com> gabbled:
On 2026-05-10 8:46 a.m., boltar@caprica.universe wrote:
A knife seems to be pushing credibility even for a midsommer plot given >>>>>>> the chances of it hitting at just the right angle is pretty low. A large
rock on the head would do a much better job.
As I mutter at the TV (to my other half's constant annoyance) with mere >>>>>> details such as that, "It's only a story."
There's another crime/mystery series in which, no matter how long the >>>>>> problem takes to be resolved, the wisteria over a doorway never seems to >>>>>> stop flowering.
The thing that most gets up my nose is the tacit rewriting of social history
with even dramas set in the 40s and 50s seemingly populated by a large >>>>> proportion of BAME even in the countryside. And as for medieval dramas, >>>>> oh dear....
What actually works better is when they do all-black versions of classics, >>>> re-written for an African context. Any whites
are foreign visitors.
Yes, somehow I doubt there are token white people in such productions. Also >>> its amusing how it seems any famous white character can be played by a black
person, eg Henry V, but I can just imagine the foaming at the mouth if a >>> white person were chosen to play Mandela or Luther King.
It used to happen a lot in the past, with even Othello normally being
played by a white actor. Not any more, of course.
The joke is the modern insistence that Othello is played by a black
actor when the original model for the part was a Moroccan Arab.
Graeme Wall <rail@greywall.demon.co.uk> wrote:
On 11/05/2026 17:05, Recliner wrote:
<boltar@caprica.universe> wrote:
On Mon, 11 May 2026 14:26:24 +0100
Recliner <recliner.usenet@gmail.com> gabbled:
On Mon, 11 May 2026 08:33:18 -0000 (UTC), boltar@caprica.universe wrote: >>>>>
On Sun, 10 May 2026 11:08:13 -0700
Nobody <jock@soccer.com> gabbled:
On 2026-05-10 8:46 a.m., boltar@caprica.universe wrote:
A knife seems to be pushing credibility even for a midsommer plot given
the chances of it hitting at just the right angle is pretty low. A large
rock on the head would do a much better job.
As I mutter at the TV (to my other half's constant annoyance) with mere >>>>>>> details such as that, "It's only a story."
There's another crime/mystery series in which, no matter how long the >>>>>>> problem takes to be resolved, the wisteria over a doorway never seems to
stop flowering.
The thing that most gets up my nose is the tacit rewriting of social history
with even dramas set in the 40s and 50s seemingly populated by a large >>>>>> proportion of BAME even in the countryside. And as for medieval dramas, >>>>>> oh dear....
What actually works better is when they do all-black versions of classics,
re-written for an African context. Any whites
are foreign visitors.
Yes, somehow I doubt there are token white people in such productions. Also
its amusing how it seems any famous white character can be played by a black
person, eg Henry V, but I can just imagine the foaming at the mouth if a >>>> white person were chosen to play Mandela or Luther King.
It used to happen a lot in the past, with even Othello normally being
played by a white actor. Not any more, of course.
The joke is the modern insistence that Othello is played by a black
actor when the original model for the part was a Moroccan Arab.
Yup, though of course Moroccans are not actually Arabs. TheyrCOre what we call Berbers, but should more accurately be called Imazighen.
Graeme Wall <rail@greywall.demon.co.uk> wrote:
On 11/05/2026 17:05, Recliner wrote:
<boltar@caprica.universe> wrote:
On Mon, 11 May 2026 14:26:24 +0100
Recliner <recliner.usenet@gmail.com> gabbled:
On Mon, 11 May 2026 08:33:18 -0000 (UTC), boltar@caprica.universe wrote: >>>>
On Sun, 10 May 2026 11:08:13 -0700
Nobody <jock@soccer.com> gabbled:
On 2026-05-10 8:46 a.m., boltar@caprica.universe wrote:
A knife seems to be pushing credibility even for a midsommer plot given
the chances of it hitting at just the right angle is pretty low. A large
rock on the head would do a much better job.
As I mutter at the TV (to my other half's constant annoyance) with mere
details such as that, "It's only a story."
There's another crime/mystery series in which, no matter how long the >>>>>> problem takes to be resolved, the wisteria over a doorway never seems to
stop flowering.
The thing that most gets up my nose is the tacit rewriting of social history
with even dramas set in the 40s and 50s seemingly populated by a large >>>>> proportion of BAME even in the countryside. And as for medieval dramas, >>>>> oh dear....
What actually works better is when they do all-black versions of classics,
re-written for an African context. Any whites
are foreign visitors.
Yes, somehow I doubt there are token white people in such productions. Also
its amusing how it seems any famous white character can be played by a black
person, eg Henry V, but I can just imagine the foaming at the mouth if a >>> white person were chosen to play Mandela or Luther King.
It used to happen a lot in the past, with even Othello normally being
played by a white actor. Not any more, of course.
The joke is the modern insistence that Othello is played by a black
actor when the original model for the part was a Moroccan Arab.
Yup, though of course Moroccans are not actually Arabs. TheyrCOre what we call Berbers, but should more accurately be called Imazighen.
On 11/05/2026 22:19, Recliner wrote:
Graeme Wall <rail@greywall.demon.co.uk> wrote:
On 11/05/2026 17:05, Recliner wrote:
<boltar@caprica.universe> wrote:
On Mon, 11 May 2026 14:26:24 +0100
Recliner <recliner.usenet@gmail.com> gabbled:
On Mon, 11 May 2026 08:33:18 -0000 (UTC), boltar@caprica.universe wrote:
On Sun, 10 May 2026 11:08:13 -0700
Nobody <jock@soccer.com> gabbled:
On 2026-05-10 8:46 a.m., boltar@caprica.universe wrote:
A knife seems to be pushing credibility even for a midsommer plot given
the chances of it hitting at just the right angle is pretty low. A large
rock on the head would do a much better job.
As I mutter at the TV (to my other half's constant annoyance) with mere
details such as that, "It's only a story."
There's another crime/mystery series in which, no matter how long the >>>>>>> problem takes to be resolved, the wisteria over a doorway never seems to
stop flowering.
The thing that most gets up my nose is the tacit rewriting of social history
with even dramas set in the 40s and 50s seemingly populated by a large >>>>>> proportion of BAME even in the countryside. And as for medieval dramas,
oh dear....
What actually works better is when they do all-black versions of classics,
re-written for an African context. Any whites
are foreign visitors.
Yes, somehow I doubt there are token white people in such productions. Also
its amusing how it seems any famous white character can be played by a black
person, eg Henry V, but I can just imagine the foaming at the mouth if a >>>> white person were chosen to play Mandela or Luther King.
It used to happen a lot in the past, with even Othello normally being
played by a white actor. Not any more, of course.
The joke is the modern insistence that Othello is played by a black
actor when the original model for the part was a Moroccan Arab.
Yup, though of course Moroccans are not actually Arabs. TheyrCOre what we call Berbers, but should more accurately be called Imazighen.
Depends, there are both Arabs and Berbers in Morocco, though the ruling class in Shakespeare's day were definitely Arab.
The joke is the modern insistence that Othello is played by a black
actor when the original model for the part was a Moroccan Arab.
Yup, though of course Moroccans are not actually Arabs. TheyrCOre what we
call Berbers, but should more accurately be called Imazighen.
Depends, there are both Arabs and Berbers in Morocco, though the ruling class in Shakespeare's day were definitely Arab.
Recliner <recliner.usenet@gmail.com> posted:
Graeme Wall <rail@greywall.demon.co.uk> wrote:
On 11/05/2026 17:05, Recliner wrote:
<boltar@caprica.universe> wrote:
On Mon, 11 May 2026 14:26:24 +0100
Recliner <recliner.usenet@gmail.com> gabbled:
On Mon, 11 May 2026 08:33:18 -0000 (UTC), boltar@caprica.universe wrote: >>>>>>
On Sun, 10 May 2026 11:08:13 -0700
Nobody <jock@soccer.com> gabbled:
On 2026-05-10 8:46 a.m., boltar@caprica.universe wrote:
A knife seems to be pushing credibility even for a midsommer plot given
the chances of it hitting at just the right angle is pretty low. A large
rock on the head would do a much better job.
As I mutter at the TV (to my other half's constant annoyance) with mere
details such as that, "It's only a story."
There's another crime/mystery series in which, no matter how long the >>>>>>>> problem takes to be resolved, the wisteria over a doorway never seems to
stop flowering.
The thing that most gets up my nose is the tacit rewriting of social history
with even dramas set in the 40s and 50s seemingly populated by a large >>>>>>> proportion of BAME even in the countryside. And as for medieval dramas, >>>>>>> oh dear....
What actually works better is when they do all-black versions of classics,
re-written for an African context. Any whites
are foreign visitors.
Yes, somehow I doubt there are token white people in such productions. Also
its amusing how it seems any famous white character can be played by a black
person, eg Henry V, but I can just imagine the foaming at the mouth if a >>>>> white person were chosen to play Mandela or Luther King.
It used to happen a lot in the past, with even Othello normally being
played by a white actor. Not any more, of course.
The joke is the modern insistence that Othello is played by a black
actor when the original model for the part was a Moroccan Arab.
Yup, though of course Moroccans are not actually Arabs. TheyrCOre what we
call Berbers, but should more accurately be called Imazighen.
What about adding Gnawa, and slave women brought from Ethiopia?
Ulf Kutzner <user2991@newsgrouper.org.invalid> wrote:
Recliner <recliner.usenet@gmail.com> posted:
Graeme Wall <rail@greywall.demon.co.uk> wrote:
On 11/05/2026 17:05, Recliner wrote:
<boltar@caprica.universe> wrote:
On Mon, 11 May 2026 14:26:24 +0100
Recliner <recliner.usenet@gmail.com> gabbled:
On Mon, 11 May 2026 08:33:18 -0000 (UTC), boltar@caprica.universe wrote:
On Sun, 10 May 2026 11:08:13 -0700
Nobody <jock@soccer.com> gabbled:
On 2026-05-10 8:46 a.m., boltar@caprica.universe wrote:
A knife seems to be pushing credibility even for a midsommer plot given
the chances of it hitting at just the right angle is pretty low. A large
rock on the head would do a much better job.
As I mutter at the TV (to my other half's constant annoyance) with mere
details such as that, "It's only a story."
There's another crime/mystery series in which, no matter how long the
problem takes to be resolved, the wisteria over a doorway never seems to
stop flowering.
The thing that most gets up my nose is the tacit rewriting of social history
with even dramas set in the 40s and 50s seemingly populated by a large
proportion of BAME even in the countryside. And as for medieval dramas,
oh dear....
What actually works better is when they do all-black versions of classics,
re-written for an African context. Any whites
are foreign visitors.
Yes, somehow I doubt there are token white people in such productions. Also
its amusing how it seems any famous white character can be played by a black
person, eg Henry V, but I can just imagine the foaming at the mouth if a
white person were chosen to play Mandela or Luther King.
It used to happen a lot in the past, with even Othello normally being >>>> played by a white actor. Not any more, of course.
The joke is the modern insistence that Othello is played by a black
actor when the original model for the part was a Moroccan Arab.
Yup, though of course Moroccans are not actually Arabs. TheyrCOre what we >> call Berbers, but should more accurately be called Imazighen.
What about adding Gnawa, and slave women brought from Ethiopia?
You also come across some very fair Moroccans, who are perhaps descendants
of European women kidnapped by the pirates.
Ulf Kutzner <user2991@newsgrouper.org.invalid> wrote:
What about adding Gnawa, and slave women brought from Ethiopia?
You also come across some very fair Moroccans, who are perhaps descendants
of European women kidnapped by the pirates.
You also come across some very fair Moroccans, who are perhaps descendants
of European women kidnapped by the pirates.
According to Recliner <recliner.usenet@gmail.com>:
You also come across some very fair Moroccans, who are perhaps descendants >> of European women kidnapped by the pirates.
Considering its colonial history, more likely of French colonists and their local, ah, girlfriends.
According to Recliner <recliner.usenet@gmail.com>:
You also come across some very fair Moroccans, who are perhaps descendants >> of European women kidnapped by the pirates.
Considering its colonial history, more likely of French colonists and their local, ah, girlfriends.
On Tue, 12 May 2026 10:22:16 GMT
Recliner <recliner.usenet@gmail.com> gabbled:
Ulf Kutzner <user2991@newsgrouper.org.invalid> wrote:
What about adding Gnawa, and slave women brought from Ethiopia?
You also come across some very fair Moroccans, who are perhaps descendants >of European women kidnapped by the pirates.
Ssshhhh! You have to remember that only Africans have ever been victims of slavery
On 12/05/2026 21:00, John Levine wrote:
According to Recliner <recliner.usenet@gmail.com>:
You also come across some very fair Moroccans, who are perhaps descendants >> of European women kidnapped by the pirates.
Considering its colonial history, more likely of French colonists and their local, ah, girlfriends.
The Berbers are thought to be descendants of the Carthaginians, who, in turn, were descended from the Phoenicians.
On Tue, 12 May 2026 10:22:16 GMT
Recliner <recliner.usenet@gmail.com> gabbled:
Ulf Kutzner <user2991@newsgrouper.org.invalid> wrote:
What about adding Gnawa, and slave women brought from Ethiopia?
You also come across some very fair Moroccans, who are perhaps descendants >> >of European women kidnapped by the pirates.
Ssshhhh! You have to remember that only Africans have ever been victims of >> slavery
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Slavery_in_Britain#History
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