Charles Ellson <charlesellson@btinternet.com> wrote:
On Wed, 6 May 2026 11:04:42 -0000 (UTC), Tweed
<usenet.tweed@gmail.com> wrote:
Nick Finnigan <nix@genie.co.uk> wrote:"Your outbound journey can be used to travel from any location in your
On 06/05/2026 10:45, Certes wrote:
Pedantically, it's two days' travel within the UK.a For many people, I >>>>> suspect the cheapest way to spend a weekend in London may be the 3-day >>>>> Benelux Interrail pass at ?137.
Latvia ?
You have to have a global pass (ie all Interrail countries) to allow home >>> country travel.
As to the own country use, here are the conditions:
Restriction on using an Interrail Global Pass in your Country of Residence. >>> You may only use your Interrail Global Pass for two specific journeys in >>> your Country of Residence: your outbound journey and your inbound journey. >>> ? Your outbound journey can be used to travel from any location in your
Country of Residence to the border, an airport or other port.
? Your inbound journey can be used to travel from the border, an airport or >>> other port back to any location in your Country of Residence.
So not any old journey in the UK, but to a border, an airport or other
port. If you regularly travelled only in the UK and made no intervening
trip in non UK they might get a bit suspicious. I?ve used mine to and from >>> both St Pancras and also Heathrow.
Country of Residence to the border, an airport or other port. ?
Your inbound journey can be used to travel from the border, an airport
or other port back to any location in your Country of Residence"
The Port of London is anything between Teddington Lock and the Thames
Estuary / North Sea border. That unarguably includes Blackfriars and
arguably any Thames-side station (e.g. Tilbury) and I can't see any
penalty for failing to use the Travel Day(s) in between in their CoCs.
There doesn't seem to be anything to stop you travelling on one for
e.g. a dirty weekend in Southend from anywhere that you can manage the
journey between midnight and midnight.
Regular use of that sort of interpretation by many would likely lead to the >own country concession being withdrawn. It wasnAt that long ago that own >country travel was totally banned on Interrail. Just because you can
doesnAt mean you should.
Charles Ellson <charlesellson@btinternet.com> posted:
On Wed, 6 May 2026 11:04:42 -0000 (UTC), Tweed
<usenet.tweed@gmail.com> wrote:
Nick Finnigan <nix@genie.co.uk> wrote:"Your outbound journey can be used to travel from any location in your
On 06/05/2026 10:45, Certes wrote:
Pedantically, it's two days' travel within the UK.a For many people, I >> >>> suspect the cheapest way to spend a weekend in London may be the 3-day >> >>> Benelux Interrail pass at ?137.
Latvia ?
You have to have a global pass (ie all Interrail countries) to allow home >> >country travel.
As to the own country use, here are the conditions:
Restriction on using an Interrail Global Pass in your Country of Residence. >> >You may only use your Interrail Global Pass for two specific journeys in
your Country of Residence: your outbound journey and your inbound journey. >> >? Your outbound journey can be used to travel from any location in your
Country of Residence to the border, an airport or other port.
? Your inbound journey can be used to travel from the border, an airport or >> >other port back to any location in your Country of Residence.
So not any old journey in the UK, but to a border, an airport or other
port. If you regularly travelled only in the UK and made no intervening
trip in non UK they might get a bit suspicious. I?ve used mine to and from >> >both St Pancras and also Heathrow.
Country of Residence to the border, an airport or other port. ?
Your inbound journey can be used to travel from the border, an airport
or other port back to any location in your Country of Residence"
The Port of London is anything between Teddington Lock and the Thames
Estuary / North Sea border. That unarguably includes Blackfriars and
arguably any Thames-side station (e.g. Tilbury) and I can't see any
penalty for failing to use the Travel Day(s) in between in their CoCs.
There doesn't seem to be anything to stop you travelling on one for
e.g. a dirty weekend in Southend from anywhere that you can manage the
journey between midnight and midnight.
Are all fishery ports in Scotland included for travel to/from
the closest RW station, even without international passenger
services to and from these ports?
As with other "tricks" like e.g. using multiple tickets on a journey,
the effort involved might restrict the activity from causing enough
effect for the rules to be changed. Compare e.g. my journeys out to
Essex where I use a Freedom Pass and buy an e-ticket on the train from >whichever boundary station I pass through while I suspect the average >"normal" would buy a ticket from Fenchurch Street. I am gaining an
advantage over those others but I am not cheating.
In message <q2kpvk1bvop3b2hqvnbepqac0j6tapserb@4ax.com>, at 19:02:46 on
Thu, 7 May 2026, Charles Ellson <charlesellson@btinternet.com> remarked:
As with other "tricks" like e.g. using multiple tickets on a journey,
the effort involved might restrict the activity from causing enough
effect for the rules to be changed. Compare e.g. my journeys out to
Essex where I use a Freedom Pass and buy an e-ticket on the train from >>whichever boundary station I pass through while I suspect the average >>"normal" would buy a ticket from Fenchurch Street. I am gaining an >>advantage over those others but I am not cheating.
One of the most normal people I know, used to routinely use a
combination of Freedom Pass and BZ** tickets when visiting colleagues
in the Home Counties.
** Not boundary-station
On Fri, 8 May 2026 07:09:21 +0100, Roland Perry <roland@perry.uk>
wrote:
In message <q2kpvk1bvop3b2hqvnbepqac0j6tapserb@4ax.com>, at 19:02:46 on >>Thu, 7 May 2026, Charles Ellson <charlesellson@btinternet.com> remarked: >>>As with other "tricks" like e.g. using multiple tickets on a journey,The Freedom Pass has the advantage that it can sit in your pocket all
the effort involved might restrict the activity from causing enough >>>effect for the rules to be changed. Compare e.g. my journeys out to
Essex where I use a Freedom Pass and buy an e-ticket on the train from >>>whichever boundary station I pass through while I suspect the average >>>"normal" would buy a ticket from Fenchurch Street. I am gaining an >>>advantage over those others but I am not cheating.
One of the most normal people I know, used to routinely use a
combination of Freedom Pass and BZ** tickets when visiting colleagues
in the Home Counties.
** Not boundary-station
day except when a machine or a member of staff needs to see it. You
can't do the same with a PAYG Oyster as you have to touch in and out
or else get a maximum fare. That leaves Oyster seasons available to be
used in the same manner as FP/60+ but IME plenty of people in London
get thoroughly confused with anything not involving the Underground
Map which often seems to be proved when trying to explain how to use
those other funny looking trains which are available to them and which
would frquently seriously reduce their journey time and sometimes
their fare.
In message <0njvvk9mcjmvo6h8varj8svv1kgpq8rgln@4ax.com>, at 01:29:55 on
Sun, 10 May 2026, Charles Ellson <charlesellson@btinternet.com>
remarked:
On Fri, 8 May 2026 07:09:21 +0100, Roland Perry <roland@perry.uk>
wrote:
In message <q2kpvk1bvop3b2hqvnbepqac0j6tapserb@4ax.com>, at 19:02:46 on >>>Thu, 7 May 2026, Charles Ellson <charlesellson@btinternet.com> remarked: >>>>As with other "tricks" like e.g. using multiple tickets on a journey, >>>>the effort involved might restrict the activity from causing enough >>>>effect for the rules to be changed. Compare e.g. my journeys out to >>>>Essex where I use a Freedom Pass and buy an e-ticket on the train from >>>>whichever boundary station I pass through while I suspect the average >>>>"normal" would buy a ticket from Fenchurch Street. I am gaining an >>>>advantage over those others but I am not cheating.The Freedom Pass has the advantage that it can sit in your pocket all
One of the most normal people I know, used to routinely use a
combination of Freedom Pass and BZ** tickets when visiting colleagues
in the Home Counties.
** Not boundary-station
day except when a machine or a member of staff needs to see it. You
can't do the same with a PAYG Oyster as you have to touch in and out
or else get a maximum fare. That leaves Oyster seasons available to be
used in the same manner as FP/60+ but IME plenty of people in London
get thoroughly confused with anything not involving the Underground
Map which often seems to be proved when trying to explain how to use
those other funny looking trains which are available to them and which >>would frquently seriously reduce their journey time and sometimes
their fare.
All very interesting, but rather irrelevant to whether a Freedom Pass
holder should buy a Boundary *zone* or a Boundary *station* ticket.
On Sun, 10 May 2026 10:18:27 +0100, Roland Perry <roland@perry.uk> wrote:
In message <0njvvk9mcjmvo6h8varj8svv1kgpq8rgln@4ax.com>, at 01:29:55 on >>Sun, 10 May 2026, Charles Ellson <charlesellson@btinternet.com>
remarked:
On Fri, 8 May 2026 07:09:21 +0100, Roland Perry <roland@perry.uk>
wrote:
In message <q2kpvk1bvop3b2hqvnbepqac0j6tapserb@4ax.com>, at 19:02:46 on >>>>Thu, 7 May 2026, Charles Ellson <charlesellson@btinternet.com> remarked: >>>>>As with other "tricks" like e.g. using multiple tickets on a journey, >>>>>the effort involved might restrict the activity from causing enough >>>>>effect for the rules to be changed. Compare e.g. my journeys out to >>>>>Essex where I use a Freedom Pass and buy an e-ticket on the train from >>>>>whichever boundary station I pass through while I suspect the average >>>>>"normal" would buy a ticket from Fenchurch Street. I am gaining an >>>>>advantage over those others but I am not cheating.The Freedom Pass has the advantage that it can sit in your pocket all
One of the most normal people I know, used to routinely use a >>>>combination of Freedom Pass and BZ** tickets when visiting colleagues >>>>in the Home Counties.
** Not boundary-station
day except when a machine or a member of staff needs to see it. You
can't do the same with a PAYG Oyster as you have to touch in and out
or else get a maximum fare. That leaves Oyster seasons available to be >>>used in the same manner as FP/60+ but IME plenty of people in London
get thoroughly confused with anything not involving the Underground
Map which often seems to be proved when trying to explain how to use >>>those other funny looking trains which are available to them and which >>>would frquently seriously reduce their journey time and sometimes
their fare.
All very interesting, but rather irrelevant to whether a Freedom Pass >>holder should buy a Boundary *zone* or a Boundary *station* ticket.
Zone. I think the same is true of zonal season tickets.
Sometimes neither are the right ticket.All very interesting, but rather irrelevant to whether a Freedom Pass >>>holder should buy a Boundary *zone* or a Boundary *station* ticket.
Zone. I think the same is true of zonal season tickets.Relativel to the ability to obtain tickets, you can't always get
non-physical BZ tickets, usually IME where there is more than one
possible route such as out of Liverpool Street to Grays.
In message <mti10l5qm72ihd3j1q7r29pl79hbjl2uqp@4ax.com>, at 19:26:48 on
Sun, 10 May 2026, Charles Ellson <charlesellson@btinternet.com>
remarked:
[snip]
Sometimes neither are the right ticket.All very interesting, but rather irrelevant to whether a Freedom Pass >>>>holder should buy a Boundary *zone* or a Boundary *station* ticket.
Sometimes the moon is made of green cheese.
Zone. I think the same is true of zonal season tickets.Relativel to the ability to obtain tickets, you can't always get >>non-physical BZ tickets, usually IME where there is more than one
possible route such as out of Liverpool Street to Grays.
One can't always get green cheese, but other varieties are available.
On Mon, 11 May 2026 14:33:52 +0100, Roland Perry <roland@perry.uk>
wrote:
In message <mti10l5qm72ihd3j1q7r29pl79hbjl2uqp@4ax.com>, at 19:26:48 onJust leave it out of the fridge for a fortnight.
Sun, 10 May 2026, Charles Ellson <charlesellson@btinternet.com>
remarked:
[snip]
Sometimes neither are the right ticket.All very interesting, but rather irrelevant to whether a Freedom Pass >>>>> holder should buy a Boundary *zone* or a Boundary *station* ticket.
Sometimes the moon is made of green cheese.
Zone. I think the same is true of zonal season tickets.Relativel to the ability to obtain tickets, you can't always get
non-physical BZ tickets, usually IME where there is more than one
possible route such as out of Liverpool Street to Grays.
One can't always get green cheese, but other varieties are available.
On Mon, 11 May 2026 14:33:52 +0100, Roland Perry <roland@perry.uk>
wrote:
In message <mti10l5qm72ihd3j1q7r29pl79hbjl2uqp@4ax.com>, at 19:26:48 on >Sun, 10 May 2026, Charles Ellson <charlesellson@btinternet.com>
remarked:
[snip]
Sometimes neither are the right ticket.All very interesting, but rather irrelevant to whether a Freedom Pass >>>>holder should buy a Boundary *zone* or a Boundary *station* ticket.
Sometimes the moon is made of green cheese.
Zone. I think the same is true of zonal season tickets.Relativel to the ability to obtain tickets, you can't always get >>non-physical BZ tickets, usually IME where there is more than one >>possible route such as out of Liverpool Street to Grays.
One can't always get green cheese, but other varieties are available.
Just leave it out of the fridge for a fortnight.
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