People who have lived there since the state was founded? Many of them would not have been born since their forebears would have been annihilated by "neighbours".
Also please ignore "it will be a war of elimination and it will be a >>>>>dangerous massacre". All these inconvenient facts, which made >>>>>something complicated that you would prefer to think of as simple.
I don't see its relevance, Jews and presumably members of other >>>>religions live there but why would they try and steal the country?
Good question. And the answer is that they didn't.
History shows things differently of course, Palestine is now occupied by >>Israel.
That's your view of things.
Another good question. And again, the answer is that they should not
be forced to leave. If they thought it necessary to leave, that was >>>because the "1948 War" was instigated by Israel's neighbouring
countries. You knew that.
Are you a Nakba denier? 750,000 Palestinians were displaced and over 80 >>years around 200,000 have been maimed/killed.
I have no idea what a "Nakba denier" is.
AIUI, displacement of the Arab population was not a policy of the new
state of Israel. Of course, Israel defended itself against military
attacks from neighbouring countries. Judaism worldwide was by then well >aware of how non-defence tended to go.
I have no idea what you mean by the 1948 war, please don't tell me what
you think I know.
Oh come off it.
The idea that you don't know what the 1948 war was is risible.
Difficult to get a proper discussion going for this but complaints about
ad hom remarks from some people have to come here, others appear to have
free reign!
On 29/08/2026 in message <nffqcgFug9aU1@mid.individual.net> JNugent wrote:
[snipped for brevity]
Also please ignore "it will be a war of elimination and it will be a >>>>>> dangerous massacre". All these inconvenient facts, which made
something complicated that you would prefer to think of as simple.
I don't see its relevance, Jews and presumably members of other
religions live there but why would they try and steal the country?
Good question. And the answer is that they didn't.
History shows things differently of course, Palestine is now occupied by >>> Israel.
That's your view of things.
It's a fact, were you not aware of it?
[snipped again]
Another good question. And again, the answer is that they should not
be forced to leave. If they thought it necessary to leave, that was
because the "1948 War" was instigated by Israel's neighbouring
countries. You knew that.
Are you a Nakba denier? 750,000 Palestinians were displaced and over 80
years around 200,000 have been maimed/killed.
I have no idea what a "Nakba denier" is.
AIUI, displacement of the Arab population was not a policy of the new
state of Israel. Of course, Israel defended itself against military
attacks from neighbouring countries. Judaism worldwide was by then
well aware of how non-defence tended to go.
I have no idea what you mean by the 1948 war, please don't tell me what
you think I know.
Oh come off it.
The idea that you don't know what the 1948 war was is risible.
Ad hom attack that the moderators missed removed.
Difficult to get a proper discussion going for this but complaints about
ad hom remarks from some people have to come here, others appear to have free reign!
On 29/08/2026 in message <nffqcgFug9aU1@mid.individual.net> JNugent wrote:
[snipped for brevity]
Also please ignore "it will be a war of elimination and it will be a >>>>>>dangerous massacre". All these inconvenient facts, which made >>>>>>something complicated that you would prefer to think of as simple.
I don't see its relevance, Jews and presumably members of other >>>>>religions live there but why would they try and steal the country?
Good question. And the answer is that they didn't.
History shows things differently of course, Palestine is now occupied by >>>Israel.
That's your view of things.
It's a fact, were you not aware of it?
[snipped again]
Another good question. And again, the answer is that they should not
be forced to leave. If they thought it necessary to leave, that was >>>>because the "1948 War" was instigated by Israel's neighbouring >>>>countries. You knew that.
Are you a Nakba denier? 750,000 Palestinians were displaced and over 80 >>>years around 200,000 have been maimed/killed.
I have no idea what a "Nakba denier" is.
AIUI, displacement of the Arab population was not a policy of the new >>state of Israel. Of course, Israel defended itself against military >>attacks from neighbouring countries. Judaism worldwide was by then well >>aware of how non-defence tended to go.
I have no idea what you mean by the 1948 war, please don't tell me what >>>you think I know.
Oh come off it.
The idea that you don't know what the 1948 war was is risible.
Ad hom attack that the moderators missed removed.
On 2026-08-29, Jeff Gaines <jgnewsid@outlook.com> wrote:
Difficult to get a proper discussion going for this but complaints about
ad hom remarks from some people have to come here, others appear to have
free reign!
On 29/08/2026 in message <nffqcgFug9aU1@mid.individual.net> JNugent wrote: >>
[snipped for brevity]
Also please ignore "it will be a war of elimination and it will be a >>>>>>> dangerous massacre". All these inconvenient facts, which madeI don't see its relevance, Jews and presumably members of other
something complicated that you would prefer to think of as simple. >>>>>>
religions live there but why would they try and steal the country?
Good question. And the answer is that they didn't.
History shows things differently of course, Palestine is now occupied by >>>> Israel.
That's your view of things.
It's a fact, were you not aware of it?
[snipped again]
Another good question. And again, the answer is that they should not >>>>> be forced to leave. If they thought it necessary to leave, that was
because the "1948 War" was instigated by Israel's neighbouring
countries. You knew that.
Are you a Nakba denier? 750,000 Palestinians were displaced and over 80 >>>> years around 200,000 have been maimed/killed.
I have no idea what a "Nakba denier" is.
AIUI, displacement of the Arab population was not a policy of the new
state of Israel. Of course, Israel defended itself against military
attacks from neighbouring countries. Judaism worldwide was by then well
aware of how non-defence tended to go.
I have no idea what you mean by the 1948 war, please don't tell me what >>>> you think I know.
Oh come off it.
The idea that you don't know what the 1948 war was is risible.
Ad hom attack that the moderators missed removed.
If we rejected every post from JNugent in which he made a snide
remark insinuating that the person he is replying to is for some
reason pretending to not know some particular alleged fact or other,
he'd hardly ever get a post accepted.
Actually, now you come to mention it...
If you are short-sighted and only look back say 50 years, then the land is 100% owned by the present occupiers.
Look back 150 years, and it's 50/50 Arab/Jewish.*
On 29/08/2026 08:54, Jeff Gaines wrote:
Are you a Nakba denier? 750,000 Palestinians were displaced and over 80 years
around 200,000 have been maimed/killed.
About 850,000-900,000 Jews were displaced, expelled, or forced to flee from Arab and Muslim-majority countries in the period following Israel's establishment in 1948.
Why would you mention one and not the other?
There are only two possible explanations that I can see, namely woeful ignorance about a subject you often express views, or bigotry. Of course, you may have another explanation I have not thought of?
Ad hom attack that the moderators missed removed.
If we rejected every post from JNugent in which he made a snide
remark insinuating that the person he is replying to is for some
reason pretending to not know some particular alleged fact or other,
he'd hardly ever get a post accepted.
Actually, now you come to mention it...
Mr Gaines says he doesn't know what the 1948 Israel War of Independence
is, although he clearly does. So I assume that he has some point to make >about the war, and he really ought to make it.
Anyone who worked in an almost exclusively male environment in the 1960s would
have heard directly from men - colleagues - who had done, or knew someone who
had done - their late 1940s National Service in "Mandatory Palestine". What they said about the actions - some of them atrocities - carried out ostensibly
on behalf of the imminent Israel and most of them against British soldiers.
And I wasn't too impressed with the Hollywood version of it in the movie "Exodus" (c. 1960) which made terrorism look like a jolly jape.
Despite all of that, I am not going to join the ranks of the anti-semitic.
"JNugent" <JNugent73@mail.com> wrote in message news:nfglroF46rfU1@mid.individual.net...
Anyone who worked in an almost exclusively male environment in the 1960s would
have heard directly from men - colleagues - who had done, or knew someone who
had done - their late 1940s National Service in "Mandatory Palestine". What >> they said about the actions - some of them atrocities - carried out ostensibly
on behalf of the imminent Israel and most of them against British soldiers. >>
And I wasn't too impressed with the Hollywood version of it in the movie
"Exodus" (c. 1960) which made terrorism look like a jolly jape.
Despite all of that, I am not going to join the ranks of the anti-semitic.
bb
Presumably if I attempted to post the above on ULM as it stands, it would be rejected as "a mistake"
GB wrote:
[snipped]
Ad hom attack that the moderators missed removed.
If we rejected every post from JNugent in which he made a snide
remark insinuating that the person he is replying to is for some
reason pretending to not know some particular alleged fact or other,
he'd hardly ever get a post accepted.
Actually, now you come to mention it...
:-)
Mr Gaines says he doesn't know what the 1948 Israel War of
Independence is, although he clearly does. So I assume that he has
some point to make about the war, and he really ought to make it.
I don't, history is not my subject. My knowledge of what is happening in Israel and surrounding areas is limited to press reports over the last
few years.
On 29/08/2026 10:51 PM, Jeff Gaines wrote:
GB wrote:[in response to:]
[snipped]
Ad hom attack that the moderators missed removed.
If we rejected every post from JNugent in which he made a snide
remark insinuating that the person he is replying to is for some
reason pretending to not know some particular alleged fact or other, >>>>he'd hardly ever get a post accepted.
Actually, now you come to mention it...
:-)
Mr Gaines says he doesn't know what the 1948 Israel War of
Independence is, although he clearly does. So I assume that he has
some point to make about the war, and he really ought to make it.
I don't, history is not my subject. My knowledge of what is happening in >>Israel and surrounding areas is limited to press reports over the last
few years.
Hilarious.
Do you seriously expect to be believed that you had never heard of the
1948 attacks on Israel by neighbouring states?
You yourself repeatedly refer to the events of 1948.
billy bookcase <billy@anon.com> wrote:
"JNugent" <JNugent73@mail.com> wrote in message
news:nfglroF46rfU1@mid.individual.net...
Anyone who worked in an almost exclusively male environment in the 1960s >>> would
have heard directly from men - colleagues - who had done, or knew someone >>> who
had done - their late 1940s National Service in "Mandatory Palestine". What >>> they said about the actions - some of them atrocities - carried out
ostensibly
on behalf of the imminent Israel and most of them against British soldiers. >>>
And I wasn't too impressed with the Hollywood version of it in the movie >>> "Exodus" (c. 1960) which made terrorism look like a jolly jape.
Despite all of that, I am not going to join the ranks of the anti-semitic. >>
bb
Presumably if I attempted to post the above on ULM as it stands, it would be >> rejected as "a mistake"
You obviously selected part of an article to follow up to it but
accidentally selected 'send' before adding any commentary. That is
obviously a mistake.
On 30/08/2026 in message <nfh889F72b0U2@mid.individual.net> JNugent wrote:
On 29/08/2026 10:51 PM, Jeff Gaines wrote:
GB wrote:[in response to:]
[snipped]
Ad hom attack that the moderators missed removed.
If we rejected every post from JNugent in which he made a snide >>>>>remark insinuating that the person he is replying to is for some >>>>>reason pretending to not know some particular alleged fact or other, >>>>>he'd hardly ever get a post accepted.
Actually, now you come to mention it...
:-)
Mr Gaines says he doesn't know what the 1948 Israel War of
Independence is, although he clearly does. So I assume that he has
some point to make about the war, and he really ought to make it.
I don't, history is not my subject. My knowledge of what is happening in >>>Israel and surrounding areas is limited to press reports over the last >>>few years.
Hilarious.
Do you seriously expect to be believed that you had never heard of the 1948 >>attacks on Israel by neighbouring states?
Frankly I don't give a fuck what a little cunt like you believes, it has no impact on me.
You yourself repeatedly refer to the events of 1948.
Read it again, 1947 when the terrorist groups started infiltrating Palestine,
in fact The King David Hotel in Jerusalem was bombed on July 22, 1946, by the
militant Zionist group Irgun.
--
Jeff Gaines Dorset UK
We chose to do this not because it is easy but because we thought it would be
easy.
On 29/08/2026 10:51 PM, Jeff Gaines wrote:
GB wrote:
[snipped]
Mr Gaines says he doesn't know what the 1948 Israel War of
Independence is, although he clearly does. So I assume that he has
some point to make about the war, and he really ought to make it.
I don't, history is not my subject. My knowledge of what is happening in
Israel and surrounding areas is limited to press reports over the last
few years.
Hilarious.
Do you seriously expect to be believed that you had never heard of the
1948 attacks on Israel by neighbouring states?
You yourself repeatedly refer to the events of 1948.
Frankly I don't give a fuck what a little cunt like you believes, it has >>no impact on me.
He can have that effect on people,
On 30/08/2026 in message <nfh889F72b0U2@mid.individual.net> JNugent wrote:
On 29/08/2026 10:51 PM, Jeff Gaines wrote:
GB wrote:[in response to:]
[snipped]
Ad hom attack that the moderators missed removed.
If we rejected every post from JNugent in which he made a snide
remark insinuating that the person he is replying to is for some
reason pretending to not know some particular alleged fact or other, >>>>> he'd hardly ever get a post accepted.
Actually, now you come to mention it...
:-)
Mr Gaines says he doesn't know what the 1948 Israel War of
Independence is, although he clearly does. So I assume that he has
some point to make about the war, and he really ought to make it.
I don't, history is not my subject. My knowledge of what is happening in >>> Israel and surrounding areas is limited to press reports over the last
few years.
Hilarious.
Do you seriously expect to be believed that you had never heard of the
1948 attacks on Israel by neighbouring states?
Frankly I don't give a fuck what a little cunt like you believes, it has
no impact on me.
You yourself repeatedly refer to the events of 1948.
Read it again, 1947 when the terrorist groups started infiltrating
Palestine, in fact The King David Hotel in Jerusalem was bombed on July
22, 1946, by the militant Zionist group Irgun.
On 30/08/2026 09:00 AM, Jeff Gaines wrote:
On 30/08/2026 in message <nfh889F72b0U2@mid.individual.net> JNugent wrote:
On 29/08/2026 10:51 PM, Jeff Gaines wrote:
GB wrote:[in response to:]
[snipped]
Ad hom attack that the moderators missed removed.
If we rejected every post from JNugent in which he made a snide >>>>>>remark insinuating that the person he is replying to is for some >>>>>>reason pretending to not know some particular alleged fact or other, >>>>>>he'd hardly ever get a post accepted.
Actually, now you come to mention it...
:-)
Mr Gaines says he doesn't know what the 1948 Israel War of >>>>>Independence is, although he clearly does. So I assume that he has >>>>>some point to make about the war, and he really ought to make it.
I don't, history is not my subject. My knowledge of what is happening in >>>>Israel and surrounding areas is limited to press reports over the last >>>>few years.
Hilarious.
Do you seriously expect to be believed that you had never heard of the >>>1948 attacks on Israel by neighbouring states?
Frankly I don't give a fuck what a little cunt like you believes, it has
no impact on me.
At last you show your true colours. You don't like being shown to be
wrong, do you?
You yourself repeatedly refer to the events of 1948.
Read it again, 1947 when the terrorist groups started infiltrating >>Palestine, in fact The King David Hotel in Jerusalem was bombed on July
22, 1946, by the militant Zionist group Irgun.
Laughable. You claim to have all the relevant knowledge of happenings in >1946 and 1947, but go blank when 1948 is mentioned, even though you
yourself frequently refer to things that happened in that year in the >relevant part of the world.
You clearly are not capable of civilised discussion.
On 30/08/2026 in message <nfik1qFdiivU1@mid.individual.net> JNugent wrote:
On 30/08/2026 09:00 AM, Jeff Gaines wrote:
On 30/08/2026 in message <nfh889F72b0U2@mid.individual.net> JNugent
wrote:
On 29/08/2026 10:51 PM, Jeff Gaines wrote:
GB wrote:[in response to:]
[snipped]
Ad hom attack that the moderators missed removed.
If we rejected every post from JNugent in which he made a snide
remark insinuating that the person he is replying to is for some >>>>>>> reason pretending to not know some particular alleged fact or other, >>>>>>> he'd hardly ever get a post accepted.
Actually, now you come to mention it...
-a-a :-)
Mr Gaines says he doesn't know what the 1948 Israel War of
Independence is, although he clearly does. So I assume that he has >>>>>> some point to make about the war, and he really ought to make it.
I don't, history is not my subject. My knowledge of what is
happening in
Israel and surrounding areas is limited to press reports over the last >>>>> few years.
Hilarious.
Do you seriously expect to be believed that you had never heard of the >>>> 1948 attacks on Israel by neighbouring states?
Frankly I don't give a fuck what a little cunt like you believes, it has >>> no impact on me.
At last you show your true colours. You don't like being shown to be
wrong, do you?
I am fully prepared to accept it when I'm wrong but not when you make up statements and attribute them to me.
You yourself repeatedly refer to the events of 1948.
Read it again, 1947 when the terrorist groups started infiltrating
Palestine, in fact The King David Hotel in Jerusalem was bombed on July
22, 1946, by the militant Zionist group Irgun.
DID YOU MISS THIS YOU HAVE IGNORED IT?
"GB" <NOTsomeone@microsoft.invalid> wrote in message news:116uubv$3bjrg$1@dont-email.me...
do you look?
If you are short-sighted and only look back say 50 years, then the land is >> 100% owned by the present occupiers.
Look back 150 years, and it's 50/50 Arab/Jewish.*
1890 136 years ago
Population of Palestine Figures in thousands
Jewish Christian Moslem Total
43......57........433....532
So that looks rather more like 433/43 Palestinian/Jewish to me
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demographic_history_of_Palestine_(region)
bb
* Indeed. And even Benny Morris; who one might otherwise highly
respect. Although in his case, he presumably has to toe the party
line, in order to keep his job
On 29/08/2026 18:58, billy bookcase wrote:
"GB" <NOTsomeone@microsoft.invalid> wrote in message >>news:116uubv$3bjrg$1@dont-email.me...
do you look?
If you are short-sighted and only look back say 50 years, then the land >>>is
100% owned by the present occupiers.
Look back 150 years, and it's 50/50 Arab/Jewish.*
1890 136 years ago
Population of Palestine Figures in thousands
Jewish Christian Moslem Total
43......57........433....532
So that looks rather more like 433/43 Palestinian/Jewish to me
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demographic_history_of_Palestine_(region)
That wasn't the point I was making. Gaines claimed the Arabs had been in >occupation for 1000 prior to 1948. I wasn't disputing that. But he claimed >that meant they owned the land, which I was disputing.
On 30/08/2026 13:24, Jeff Gaines wrote:
On 30/08/2026 in message <nfik1qFdiivU1@mid.individual.net> JNugent wrote:
On 30/08/2026 09:00 AM, Jeff Gaines wrote:
On 30/08/2026 in message <nfh889F72b0U2@mid.individual.net> JNugent >>>>wrote:
On 29/08/2026 10:51 PM, Jeff Gaines wrote:
GB wrote:[in response to:]
[snipped]
Ad hom attack that the moderators missed removed.
If we rejected every post from JNugent in which he made a snide >>>>>>>>remark insinuating that the person he is replying to is for some >>>>>>>>reason pretending to not know some particular alleged fact or other, >>>>>>>>he'd hardly ever get a post accepted.
Actually, now you come to mention it...
-a-a :-)
Mr Gaines says he doesn't know what the 1948 Israel War of >>>>>>>Independence is, although he clearly does. So I assume that he has >>>>>>>some point to make about the war, and he really ought to make it.
I don't, history is not my subject. My knowledge of what is happening >>>>>>in
Israel and surrounding areas is limited to press reports over the last >>>>>>few years.
Hilarious.
Do you seriously expect to be believed that you had never heard of the >>>>>1948 attacks on Israel by neighbouring states?
Frankly I don't give a fuck what a little cunt like you believes, it has >>>>no impact on me.
At last you show your true colours. You don't like being shown to be >>>wrong, do you?
I am fully prepared to accept it when I'm wrong but not when you make up >>statements and attribute them to me.
You yourself repeatedly refer to the events of 1948.
Read it again, 1947 when the terrorist groups started infiltrating >>>>Palestine, in fact The King David Hotel in Jerusalem was bombed on July >>>>22, 1946, by the militant Zionist group Irgun.
DID YOU MISS THIS YOU HAVE IGNORED IT?
The attack on the hotel clearly didn't cause the Nakba. It did have a >profound effect on the British, though. Greatly oversimplifying, there
were two causes:
a) There was undoubtedly Jewish violence against the Arabs.
b) Most Arabs at the time expected that the 4 mechanised Arab armies that >invaded Palestine in 1948 would win quickly, and eliminate the Jewish >population. The Arab civilians were therefore more prepared to flee the
war zone, expecting they could soon return.
On 29/08/2026 18:58, billy bookcase wrote:
"GB" <NOTsomeone@microsoft.invalid> wrote in message
news:116uubv$3bjrg$1@dont-email.me...
do you look?
If you are short-sighted and only look back say 50 years, then the land is >>> 100% owned by the present occupiers.
Look back 150 years, and it's 50/50 Arab/Jewish.*
1890 136 years ago
Population of Palestine Figures in thousands
Jewish Christian Moslem Total
43......57........433....532
So that looks rather more like 433/43 Palestinian/Jewish to me
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demographic_history_of_Palestine_(region)
That wasn't the point I was making. Gaines claimed the Arabs had been in occupation for 1000 prior to 1948. I wasn't disputing that. But he claimed that meant they owned the land, which I was disputing.
Your comments are interesting but you haven't explained why you said
"You yourself repeatedly refer to the events of 1948" when I haven't.
On 31/08/2026 in message <1173p7o$smpb$1@dont-email.me> GB wrote:
On 29/08/2026 18:58, billy bookcase wrote:
"GB" <NOTsomeone@microsoft.invalid> wrote in message
news:116uubv$3bjrg$1@dont-email.me...
do you look?
If you are short-sighted and only look back say 50 years, then the
land is
100% owned by the present occupiers.
Look back 150 years, and it's 50/50-a Arab/Jewish.*
1890-a 136 years ago
Population of Palestine Figures in thousands
Jewish-a Christian Moslem Total
43......57........433....532
So that looks rather more like 433/43 Palestinian/Jewish to me
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demographic_history_of_Palestine_(region)
That wasn't the point I was making. Gaines claimed the Arabs had been
in occupation for 1000 prior to 1948. I wasn't disputing that. But he
claimed that meant they owned the land, which I was disputing.
It is clear, logical and legal. I think I said owned the country by
right of occupation, who owns England do you think?
On 31/08/2026 13:02, Jeff Gaines wrote:
On 31/08/2026 in message <1173p7o$smpb$1@dont-email.me> GB wrote:
On 29/08/2026 18:58, billy bookcase wrote:
"GB" <NOTsomeone@microsoft.invalid> wrote in message >>>>news:116uubv$3bjrg$1@dont-email.me...
do you look?
If you are short-sighted and only look back say 50 years, then the land >>>>>is
100% owned by the present occupiers.
Look back 150 years, and it's 50/50-a Arab/Jewish.*
1890-a 136 years ago
Population of Palestine Figures in thousands
Jewish-a Christian Moslem Total
43......57........433....532
So that looks rather more like 433/43 Palestinian/Jewish to me
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demographic_history_of_Palestine_(region) >>>>
That wasn't the point I was making. Gaines claimed the Arabs had been in >>>occupation for 1000 prior to 1948. I wasn't disputing that. But he >>>claimed that meant they owned the land, which I was disputing.
It is clear, logical and legal. I think I said owned the country by right >>of occupation, who owns England do you think?
The Israelis currently occupy the land of modern Israel. So, you reckon
they now own it?
On 31/08/2026 13:05, Jeff Gaines wrote:
Your comments are interesting but you haven't explained why you said "You >>yourself repeatedly refer to the events of 1948" when I haven't.
Somebody has to have the last word, so I'll leave you in that happy >position.
On 31/08/2026 in message <1173ucv$ug7l$2@dont-email.me> GB wrote:
On 31/08/2026 13:02, Jeff Gaines wrote:
On 31/08/2026 in message <1173p7o$smpb$1@dont-email.me> GB wrote:
On 29/08/2026 18:58, billy bookcase wrote:
"GB" <NOTsomeone@microsoft.invalid> wrote in message
news:116uubv$3bjrg$1@dont-email.me...
do you look?
If you are short-sighted and only look back say 50 years, then
the-a land is
100% owned by the present occupiers.
Look back 150 years, and it's 50/50-a Arab/Jewish.*
1890-a 136 years ago
Population of Palestine Figures in thousands
Jewish-a Christian Moslem Total
43......57........433....532
So that looks rather more like 433/43 Palestinian/Jewish to me
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/
Demographic_history_of_Palestine_(region)
That wasn't the point I was making. Gaines claimed the Arabs had
been-a in occupation for 1000 prior to 1948. I wasn't disputing that. >>>> But he claimed that meant they owned the land, which I was disputing.
It is clear, logical and legal. I think I said owned the country by
right of occupation, who owns England do you think?
The Israelis currently occupy the land of modern Israel. So, you
reckon they now own it?
That's outwith my knowledge. I would have thought there would be some
sort of condition about undisputed ownership but that would need a legal expert I imagine. Does the UN have any rules?
On 31/08/2026 14:19, Jeff Gaines wrote:
That's outwith my knowledge. I would have thought there would be some
sort of condition about undisputed ownership but that would need a legal
expert I imagine. Does the UN have any rules?
So, if the land was stolen from the Jews quite a long time ago, you say unequivocally the new occupiers have ownership. But if the Jews take it
back again, that's outwith your knowledge.
How strangely asymmetrical your views are.
On 31/08/2026 14:19, Jeff Gaines wrote:
On 31/08/2026 in message <1173ucv$ug7l$2@dont-email.me> GB wrote:
On 31/08/2026 13:02, Jeff Gaines wrote:
On 31/08/2026 in message <1173p7o$smpb$1@dont-email.me> GB wrote:
On 29/08/2026 18:58, billy bookcase wrote:
"GB" <NOTsomeone@microsoft.invalid> wrote in message >>>>>>news:116uubv$3bjrg$1@dont-email.me...
do you look?
If you are short-sighted and only look back say 50 years, then the-a land
is
100% owned by the present occupiers.
Look back 150 years, and it's 50/50-a Arab/Jewish.*
1890-a 136 years ago
Population of Palestine Figures in thousands
Jewish-a Christian Moslem Total
43......57........433....532
So that looks rather more like 433/43 Palestinian/Jewish to me
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ Demographic_history_of_Palestine_(region) >>>>>>
That wasn't the point I was making. Gaines claimed the Arabs had been-a >>>>>in occupation for 1000 prior to 1948. I wasn't disputing that. But he >>>>>claimed that meant they owned the land, which I was disputing.
It is clear, logical and legal. I think I said owned the country by >>>>right of occupation, who owns England do you think?
The Israelis currently occupy the land of modern Israel. So, you reckon >>>they now own it?
That's outwith my knowledge. I would have thought there would be some >>sort of condition about undisputed ownership but that would need a legal >>expert I imagine. Does the UN have any rules?
So, if the land was stolen from the Jews quite a long time ago, you say >unequivocally the new occupiers have ownership. But if the Jews take it
back again, that's outwith your knowledge.
How strangely asymmetrical your views are.
On 2026-08-31, GB <NOTsomeone@microsoft.invalid> wrote:
On 31/08/2026 14:19, Jeff Gaines wrote:
That's outwith my knowledge. I would have thought there would be some
sort of condition about undisputed ownership but that would need a legal >>> expert I imagine. Does the UN have any rules?
So, if the land was stolen from the Jews quite a long time ago, you say
unequivocally the new occupiers have ownership. But if the Jews take it
back again, that's outwith your knowledge.
How strangely asymmetrical your views are.
To be fair, that bit isn't remotely strange or asymmetrical. It's how
things always work. If your ancestors stole the land a millennium ago,
it's yours now. If you stole the land a decade ago, it is not yours.
This isn't special to Israel and it isn't strange or arbitrary.
On 2026-08-31, GB <NOTsomeone@microsoft.invalid> wrote:It may be, and in fact will be unless and until someone with a bigger
On 31/08/2026 14:19, Jeff Gaines wrote:
That's outwith my knowledge. I would have thought there would be some
sort of condition about undisputed ownership but that would need a legal >>> expert I imagine. Does the UN have any rules?
So, if the land was stolen from the Jews quite a long time ago, you say
unequivocally the new occupiers have ownership. But if the Jews take it
back again, that's outwith your knowledge.
How strangely asymmetrical your views are.
To be fair, that bit isn't remotely strange or asymmetrical. It's how
things always work. If your ancestors stole the land a millennium ago,
it's yours now. If you stole the land a decade ago, it is not yours.
On 31/08/2026 in message <1173va7$uvfu$1@dont-email.me> GB wrote:
On 31/08/2026 14:19, Jeff Gaines wrote:
On 31/08/2026 in message <1173ucv$ug7l$2@dont-email.me> GB wrote:
On 31/08/2026 13:02, Jeff Gaines wrote:
On 31/08/2026 in message <1173p7o$smpb$1@dont-email.me> GB wrote:
On 29/08/2026 18:58, billy bookcase wrote:
"GB" <NOTsomeone@microsoft.invalid> wrote in message
news:116uubv$3bjrg$1@dont-email.me...
do you look?
If you are short-sighted and only look back say 50 years, then >>>>>>>> the-a land is
100% owned by the present occupiers.
Look back 150 years, and it's 50/50-a Arab/Jewish.*
1890-a 136 years ago
Population of Palestine Figures in thousands
Jewish-a Christian Moslem Total
43......57........433....532
So that looks rather more like 433/43 Palestinian/Jewish to me
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/
Demographic_history_of_Palestine_(region)
That wasn't the point I was making. Gaines claimed the Arabs had >>>>>> been in occupation for 1000 prior to 1948. I wasn't disputing
that.-a But he claimed that meant they owned the land, which I was >>>>>> disputing.
It is clear, logical and legal. I think I said owned the country by >>>>> right of occupation, who owns England do you think?
The Israelis currently occupy the land of modern Israel. So, you
reckon they now own it?
That's outwith my knowledge. I would have thought there would be some
sort of condition about undisputed ownership but that would need a
legal expert I imagine. Does the UN have any rules?
So, if the land was stolen from the Jews quite a long time ago, you
say unequivocally the new occupiers have ownership. But if the Jews
take it back again, that's outwith your knowledge.
How strangely asymmetrical your views are.
I have not referred to Jews anywhere so I suggest you stop suggesting I have, I don't give a monkeys about religion except to the extent that
none has any precedence.
My thoughts were If a people live in a land with no dispute to their "ownership" or right to live there for 1,000 years then it's theirs,
pretty simple and logical how else could it be?
On 2026-08-31, GB <NOTsomeone@microsoft.invalid> wrote:
On 31/08/2026 14:19, Jeff Gaines wrote:
That's outwith my knowledge. I would have thought there would be some
sort of condition about undisputed ownership but that would need a legal >>> expert I imagine. Does the UN have any rules?
So, if the land was stolen from the Jews quite a long time ago, you say
unequivocally the new occupiers have ownership. But if the Jews take it
back again, that's outwith your knowledge.
How strangely asymmetrical your views are.
To be fair, that bit isn't remotely strange or asymmetrical. It's how
things always work. If your ancestors stole the land a millennium ago,
it's yours now. If you stole the land a decade ago, it is not yours.
This isn't special to Israel and it isn't strange or arbitrary.
On 30/08/2026 13:24, Jeff Gaines wrote:
On 30/08/2026 in message <nfik1qFdiivU1@mid.individual.net> JNugent wrote: >>
On 30/08/2026 09:00 AM, Jeff Gaines wrote:
On 30/08/2026 in message <nfh889F72b0U2@mid.individual.net> JNugent
wrote:
On 29/08/2026 10:51 PM, Jeff Gaines wrote:
GB wrote:[in response to:]
[snipped]
Ad hom attack that the moderators missed removed.
If we rejected every post from JNugent in which he made a snide >>>>>>>> remark insinuating that the person he is replying to is for some >>>>>>>> reason pretending to not know some particular alleged fact or other, >>>>>>>> he'd hardly ever get a post accepted.
Actually, now you come to mention it...
:-)
Mr Gaines says he doesn't know what the 1948 Israel War ofI don't, history is not my subject. My knowledge of what is
Independence is, although he clearly does. So I assume that he has >>>>>>> some point to make about the war, and he really ought to make it. >>>>>>
happening in
Israel and surrounding areas is limited to press reports over the last >>>>>> few years.
Hilarious.
Do you seriously expect to be believed that you had never heard of the >>>>> 1948 attacks on Israel by neighbouring states?
Frankly I don't give a fuck what a little cunt like you believes, it has >>>> no impact on me.
At last you show your true colours. You don't like being shown to be
wrong, do you?
I am fully prepared to accept it when I'm wrong but not when you make up
statements and attribute them to me.
You yourself repeatedly refer to the events of 1948.
Read it again, 1947 when the terrorist groups started infiltrating
Palestine, in fact The King David Hotel in Jerusalem was bombed on July >>>> 22, 1946, by the militant Zionist group Irgun.
DID YOU MISS THIS YOU HAVE IGNORED IT?
The attack on the hotel clearly didn't cause the Nakba. It did have a profound effect on the British, though. Greatly oversimplifying, there
were two causes:
a) There was undoubtedly Jewish violence against the Arabs.
b) Most Arabs at the time expected that the 4 mechanised Arab armies
that invaded Palestine in 1948 would win quickly, and eliminate the
Jewish population. The Arab civilians were therefore more prepared to
flee the war zone, expecting they could soon return.
"GB" <NOTsomeone@microsoft.invalid> wrote in message news:116uvju$3c284$1@dont-email.me...
On 29/08/2026 08:54, Jeff Gaines wrote:
Are you a Nakba denier? 750,000 Palestinians were displaced and
over 80 years around 200,000 have been maimed/killed.
About 850,000-900,000 Jews were displaced, expelled, or forced to
flee from Arab and Muslim-majority countries in the period following
Israel's establishment in 1948.
Why would you mention one and not the other?
There are only two possible explanations that I can see, namely
woeful ignorance about a subject you often express views, or
bigotry. Of course, you may have another explanation I have not
thought of?
Or another explanation might well be, that unlike out of a total of
today's 5.6 million displaced Palestinians, 1.5 million of them
aren't still living in refugee camps, 78 years later.
bb.
On 31 Aug 2026 at 12:33:06 BST, "GB" <NOTsomeone@microsoft.invalid> wrote:I think they left more willingly and in greater numbers because they
On 30/08/2026 13:24, Jeff Gaines wrote:
On 30/08/2026 in message <nfik1qFdiivU1@mid.individual.net> JNugent wrote: >>>
On 30/08/2026 09:00 AM, Jeff Gaines wrote:
On 30/08/2026 in message <nfh889F72b0U2@mid.individual.net> JNugent
wrote:
On 29/08/2026 10:51 PM, Jeff Gaines wrote:
GB wrote:[in response to:]
[snipped]
Ad hom attack that the moderators missed removed.
If we rejected every post from JNugent in which he made a snide >>>>>>>>> remark insinuating that the person he is replying to is for some >>>>>>>>> reason pretending to not know some particular alleged fact or other, >>>>>>>>> he'd hardly ever get a post accepted.
Actually, now you come to mention it...
:-)
Mr Gaines says he doesn't know what the 1948 Israel War ofI don't, history is not my subject. My knowledge of what is
Independence is, although he clearly does. So I assume that he has >>>>>>>> some point to make about the war, and he really ought to make it. >>>>>>>
happening in
Israel and surrounding areas is limited to press reports over the last >>>>>>> few years.
Hilarious.
Do you seriously expect to be believed that you had never heard of the >>>>>> 1948 attacks on Israel by neighbouring states?
Frankly I don't give a fuck what a little cunt like you believes, it has >>>>> no impact on me.
At last you show your true colours. You don't like being shown to be
wrong, do you?
I am fully prepared to accept it when I'm wrong but not when you make up >>> statements and attribute them to me.
You yourself repeatedly refer to the events of 1948.
Read it again, 1947 when the terrorist groups started infiltrating
Palestine, in fact The King David Hotel in Jerusalem was bombed on July >>>>> 22, 1946, by the militant Zionist group Irgun.
DID YOU MISS THIS YOU HAVE IGNORED IT?
The attack on the hotel clearly didn't cause the Nakba. It did have a
profound effect on the British, though. Greatly oversimplifying, there
were two causes:
a) There was undoubtedly Jewish violence against the Arabs.
b) Most Arabs at the time expected that the 4 mechanised Arab armies
that invaded Palestine in 1948 would win quickly, and eliminate the
Jewish population. The Arab civilians were therefore more prepared to
flee the war zone, expecting they could soon return.
So this was a coordinated strategic withdrawal by disparate Arab villagers? And absolutely nothing to do with defenceless men women and children from their families being slaughtered in front of them?
On 31/08/2026 14:34, Jon Ribbens wrote:
On 2026-08-31, GB <NOTsomeone@microsoft.invalid> wrote:
On 31/08/2026 14:19, Jeff Gaines wrote:
That's outwith my knowledge. I would have thought there would be some
sort of condition about undisputed ownership but that would need a legal >>>> expert I imagine. Does the UN have any rules?
So, if the land was stolen from the Jews quite a long time ago, you say
unequivocally the new occupiers have ownership. But if the Jews take it
back again, that's outwith your knowledge.
How strangely asymmetrical your views are.
To be fair, that bit isn't remotely strange or asymmetrical. It's how
things always work. If your ancestors stole the land a millennium ago,
it's yours now. If you stole the land a decade ago, it is not yours.
This isn't special to Israel and it isn't strange or arbitrary.
There seems to be a magic number of years at which point the land
becomes becomes yours. You've said that 1000 > magic number > 10.
Are you able to narrow that down at all?
On 20:08 29 Aug 2026, billy bookcase said:
"GB" <NOTsomeone@microsoft.invalid> wrote in message
news:116uvju$3c284$1@dont-email.me...
On 29/08/2026 08:54, Jeff Gaines wrote:
Are you a Nakba denier? 750,000 Palestinians were displaced and
over 80 years around 200,000 have been maimed/killed.
About 850,000-900,000 Jews were displaced, expelled, or forced to
flee from Arab and Muslim-majority countries in the period following
Israel's establishment in 1948.
Why would you mention one and not the other?
There are only two possible explanations that I can see, namely
woeful ignorance about a subject you often express views, or
bigotry. Of course, you may have another explanation I have not
thought of?
Or another explanation might well be, that unlike out of a total of
today's 5.6 million displaced Palestinians, 1.5 million of them
aren't still living in refugee camps, 78 years later.
bb.
Of course one mustn't conjour up visions of Palestinians living in tent cities. Modern day Palestinian refugee "camps" are usually purpose-built blocks of flats and other permanent structures.
As for refugee status, many Palestinians in 1948 were refugees but it's difficult to understand why their grandchildren are also considered
refugees, as they were born in safety. (Would the grandchildren of
today's small boat migrants to the UK also be refugees and get
accomodation and benefits on that basis?)
"Pamela" <pamela.private.mailbox@gmail.com> wrote in message news:XnsB4B9B95C7DF301F3QA2@157.180.91.226...
On 20:08 29 Aug 2026, billy bookcase said:
"GB" <NOTsomeone@microsoft.invalid> wrote in message
news:116uvju$3c284$1@dont-email.me...
On 29/08/2026 08:54, Jeff Gaines wrote:
Are you a Nakba denier? 750,000 Palestinians were displaced and
over 80 years around 200,000 have been maimed/killed.
About 850,000-900,000 Jews were displaced, expelled, or forced to
flee from Arab and Muslim-majority countries in the period
following Israel's establishment in 1948.
Why would you mention one and not the other?
There are only two possible explanations that I can see, namely
woeful ignorance about a subject you often express views, or
bigotry. Of course, you may have another explanation I have not
thought of?
Or another explanation might well be, that unlike out of a total of
today's 5.6 million displaced Palestinians, 1.5 million of them
aren't still living in refugee camps, 78 years later.
bb.
Of course one mustn't conjour up visions of Palestinians living in
tent cities. Modern day Palestinian refugee "camps" are usually
purpose-built blocks of flats and other permanent structures.
As for refugee status, many Palestinians in 1948 were refugees but
it's difficult to understand why their grandchildren are also
considered refugees, as they were born in safety. (Would the
grandchildren of today's small boat migrants to the UK also be
refugees and get accomodation and benefits on that basis?)
They are refugees because they have *no right of return* to the house/village/country where their family lived not only just
80 years, but possibly for the preceding 2000 years.
The main point I was making is that "refugee camps 78 years later" is
far less of a hardship than it might sound. YouTube street tours of
pre-war Gaza show a European level of affluence with no tents.
They are refugees because they have *no right of return* to the >>house/village/country where their family lived not only just
80 years, but possibly for the preceding 2000 years.
If a refugee returns to their home country, their refugee status is
lost but the ability to return is not how refugee is defined.
The main point I was making is that "refugee camps 78 years later" is
far less of a hardship than it might sound. YouTube street tours of
pre-war Gaza show a European level of affluence with no tents.
On 01/09/2026 in message <XnsB4BA87DB4DAA51F3QA2@157.180.91.226> Pamela wrote:
The main point I was making is that "refugee camps 78 years later" is
far less of a hardship than it might sound. YouTube street tours of
pre-war Gaza show a European level of affluence with no tents.
Did you mean that? Have you seen the conditions Gazans are living in?
Tents in water logged muddy fields, no hospitals, no medication, limited food and water.
On 2026-09-01, Jeff Gaines <jgnewsid@outlook.com> wrote:
On 01/09/2026 in message <XnsB4BA87DB4DAA51F3QA2@157.180.91.226>
Pamela wrote:
The main point I was making is that "refugee camps 78 years later"
is far less of a hardship than it might sound. YouTube street tours
of pre-war Gaza show a European level of affluence with no tents.
Did you mean that? Have you seen the conditions Gazans are living
in? Tents in water logged muddy fields, no hospitals, no medication,
limited food and water.
I think everyone would agree that the conditions were better in Gaza "pre-war" (presumably meaning before October 2023) than they are now.
Whether they were so much better as to be "European level of
affluence", I have no idea.
The economy of Gaza was tiny, so the buildings and goods shown were
purchased with foreign aid.
"Pamela" <pamela.private.mailbox@gmail.com> wrote in message news:XnsB4BB87912F6C41F3QA2@157.180.91.226...
The economy of Gaza was tiny, so the buildings and goods shown were
purchased with foreign aid.
I don't know what would make you say that.
quote:
Gaza's history of habitation dates back 5,000 years, making it one
of the oldest cities in the world#
:unquote
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gaza_City
They were already living in a city, when your ancestors were
still living in caves. And had to wait another 3000 years for
the Romans to show up and actually start building towns and
roads. While the best you could still manage, was covering
yourselves in blue paint, and throwing stones at them.
On 2026-09-02, billy bookcase <billy@anon.com> wrote:
"Pamela" <pamela.private.mailbox@gmail.com> wrote in message >>news:XnsB4BB87912F6C41F3QA2@157.180.91.226...
The economy of Gaza was tiny, so the buildings and goods shown were >>>purchased with foreign aid.
I don't know what would make you say that.
quote:
Gaza's history of habitation dates back 5,000 years, making it one
of the oldest cities in the world#
:unquote
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gaza_City
They were already living in a city, when your ancestors were
still living in caves. And had to wait another 3000 years for
the Romans to show up and actually start building towns and
roads. While the best you could still manage, was covering
yourselves in blue paint, and throwing stones at them.
Yeah Pamela, stop covering yourself in blue paint and throwing
stones at people, you weirdo.
"Pamela" <pamela.private.mailbox@gmail.com> wrote in message news:XnsB4BB87912F6C41F3QA2@157.180.91.226...
The economy of Gaza was tiny, so the buildings and goods shown were
purchased with foreign aid.
I don't know what would make you say that.
quote:
Gaza's history of habitation dates back 5,000 years, making it one
of the oldest cities in the world#
:unquote
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gaza_City
They were already living in a city, when your ancestors were
still living in caves. And had to wait another 3000 years for
the Romans to show up and actually start building towns and
roads. While the best you could still manage, was covering
yourselves in blue paint, and throwing stones at them.
On 02/09/2026 02:32 PM, billy bookcase wrote:
"Pamela" <pamela.private.mailbox@gmail.com> wrote in messageNot so sure.
news:XnsB4BB87912F6C41F3QA2@157.180.91.226...
The economy of Gaza was tiny, so the buildings and goods shown were
purchased with foreign aid.
I don't know what would make you say that.
quote:
Gaza's history of habitation dates back 5,000 years, making it one
of the oldest cities in the world#
:unquote
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gaza_City
They were already living in a city, when your ancestors were
still living in caves. And had to wait another 3000 years for
the Romans to show up and actually start building towns and
roads. While the best you could still manage, was covering
yourselves in blue paint, and throwing stones at them.
There were settlements (let's not worry about the words "town" or "city") in Britain before the Romans arrived.
The most obvious examples are Silchester, Colchester and... London.
"JNugent" <JNugent73@mail.com> wrote in message news:nfqrrqFnbr4U1@mid.individual.net...
On 02/09/2026 02:32 PM, billy bookcase wrote:
"Pamela" <pamela.private.mailbox@gmail.com> wrote in messageNot so sure.
news:XnsB4BB87912F6C41F3QA2@157.180.91.226...
The economy of Gaza was tiny, so the buildings and goods shown were
purchased with foreign aid.
I don't know what would make you say that.
quote:
Gaza's history of habitation dates back 5,000 years, making it one
of the oldest cities in the world#
:unquote
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gaza_City
They were already living in a city, when your ancestors were
still living in caves. And had to wait another 3000 years for
the Romans to show up and actually start building towns and
roads. While the best you could still manage, was covering
yourselves in blue paint, and throwing stones at them.
There were settlements (let's not worry about the words "town" or "city") in >> Britain before the Romans arrived.
The most obvious examples are Silchester, Colchester and... London.
Ist century BC at the earliest.
So that's 2100 years ago
Which still gives Gaza City a 2900 year headstart
So that by 100 BC Gaza City was *already* a city for far
longer than the subsequent period during which there have
been any towns in Britain at all. While London is disputed
as no actual settlements or domestic refuse have ever been
found.
On 02/09/2026 06:26 PM, billy bookcase wrote:
"JNugent" <JNugent73@mail.com> wrote in message
news:nfqrrqFnbr4U1@mid.individual.net...
On 02/09/2026 02:32 PM, billy bookcase wrote:
"Pamela" <pamela.private.mailbox@gmail.com> wrote in messageNot so sure.
news:XnsB4BB87912F6C41F3QA2@157.180.91.226...
The economy of Gaza was tiny, so the buildings and goods shown were
purchased with foreign aid.
I don't know what would make you say that.
quote:
Gaza's history of habitation dates back 5,000 years, making it one
of the oldest cities in the world#
:unquote
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gaza_City
They were already living in a city, when your ancestors were
still living in caves. And had to wait another 3000 years for
the Romans to show up and actually start building towns and
roads. While the best you could still manage, was covering
yourselves in blue paint, and throwing stones at them.
There were settlements (let's not worry about the words "town" or "city") in
Britain before the Romans arrived.
The most obvious examples are Silchester, Colchester and... London.
Ist century BC at the earliest.
So that's 2100 years ago
Which still gives Gaza City a 2900 year headstart
I was making no comment on the date of foundation of Gaza.
Wouldn't even wish to.
So that by 100 BC Gaza City was *already* a city for far
longer than the subsequent period during which there have
been any towns in Britain at all. While London is disputed
as no actual settlements or domestic refuse have ever been
found.
General historian acceptance, I think you'll find.
I've only investigated this today (never had prior occasion to), but:
<https://www.thehistoryoflondon.co.uk/before-the-romans/>
QUOTE:
There is evidence of human occupation around what is now London as far back as
half a million years ago, but early inhabitants would have drifted southwards with the coming of the last Ice Age. Humans returned as the climate improved...
I would assume that the "drift back" was some time before the arrival of the Romans.
"Pamela" <pamela.private.mailbox@gmail.com> wrote in message news:XnsB4BB87912F6C41F3QA2@157.180.91.226...
The economy of Gaza was tiny, so the buildings and goods shown were
purchased with foreign aid.
I don't know what would make you say that.
quote:
Gaza's history of habitation dates back 5,000 years, making it one
of the oldest cities in the world#
:unquote
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gaza_City
They were already living in a city, when your ancestors were
still living in caves. And had to wait another 3000 years for
the Romans to show up and actually start building towns and
roads. While the best you could still manage, was covering
yourselves in blue paint, and throwing stones at them.
bb
"JNugent" <JNugent73@mail.com> wrote in message news:nfrbc7FppjdU1@mid.individual.net...
On 02/09/2026 06:26 PM, billy bookcase wrote:
"JNugent" <JNugent73@mail.com> wrote in message
news:nfqrrqFnbr4U1@mid.individual.net...
On 02/09/2026 02:32 PM, billy bookcase wrote:
"Pamela" <pamela.private.mailbox@gmail.com> wrote in messageNot so sure.
news:XnsB4BB87912F6C41F3QA2@157.180.91.226...
The economy of Gaza was tiny, so the buildings and goods shown were >>>>>> purchased with foreign aid.
I don't know what would make you say that.
quote:
Gaza's history of habitation dates back 5,000 years, making it one
of the oldest cities in the world#
:unquote
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gaza_City
They were already living in a city, when your ancestors were
still living in caves. And had to wait another 3000 years for
the Romans to show up and actually start building towns and
roads. While the best you could still manage, was covering
yourselves in blue paint, and throwing stones at them.
There were settlements (let's not worry about the words "town" or "city") in
Britain before the Romans arrived.
The most obvious examples are Silchester, Colchester and... London.
Ist century BC at the earliest.
So that's 2100 years ago
Which still gives Gaza City a 2900 year headstart
I was making no comment on the date of foundation of Gaza.
Wouldn't even wish to.
So that by 100 BC Gaza City was *already* a city for far
longer than the subsequent period during which there have
been any towns in Britain at all. While London is disputed
as no actual settlements or domestic refuse have ever been
found.
General historian acceptance, I think you'll find.
I've only investigated this today (never had prior occasion to), but:
<https://www.thehistoryoflondon.co.uk/before-the-romans/>
QUOTE:
There is evidence of human occupation around what is now London as far back as
half a million years ago, but early inhabitants would have drifted southwards
with the coming of the last Ice Age. Humans returned as the climate
improved...
I would assume that the "drift back" was some time before the arrival of the >> Romans.
Nobody denies there were people wandering about.
But the establishment of towns and cities represents a step change.
First it requires a strong central ruler capable of commanding
sufficient support to establish and defend the place,
As only once they have assurance that the town can be
defended will traders move in and establish themselves, rather than
moving around. Then once they've moved in the money they generate
will strengthen the rule of the central ruler and the town or city
itself and attract even more people into the town.
So while admittedly there were plenty of forts where they went in
time of trouble there were no actual towns
As to the area of London pre- Roman London
"no actual settlements or domestic refuse have ever been
found"
Basically as a site it presumably had nothing which made it
particularly attractive to any of the warring Celtic tribes.
Bring too vulnerable to attack. As was shown by the fact
that the earliest Roman fort on the site was sacked by
Boadicia
On 03/09/2026 10:10 AM, billy bookcase wrote:
Basically as a site it presumably had nothing which made it
particularly attractive to any of the warring Celtic tribes.
Bring too vulnerable to attack. As was shown by the fact
that the earliest Roman fort on the site was sacked by
Boadicia
Ah... Whatever happened to her on uk.politics.misc?
On Thu, 03 Sep 2026 16:32:35 +0100
JNugent <JNugent73@mail.com> wrote:
On 03/09/2026 10:10 AM, billy bookcase wrote:
[]
Basically as a site it presumably had nothing which made it
particularly attractive to any of the warring Celtic tribes.
Bring too vulnerable to attack. As was shown by the fact
that the earliest Roman fort on the site was sacked by
Boadicia
Ah... Whatever happened to her on uk.politics.misc?
And why is this chat group not about moderators,
On 14:32 2 Sep 2026, billy bookcase said:
"Pamela" <pamela.private.mailbox@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:XnsB4BB87912F6C41F3QA2@157.180.91.226...
The economy of Gaza was tiny, so the buildings and goods shown were
purchased with foreign aid.
I don't know what would make you say that.
quote:
Gaza's history of habitation dates back 5,000 years, making it one
of the oldest cities in the world#
:unquote
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gaza_City
They were already living in a city, when your ancestors were
still living in caves. And had to wait another 3000 years for
the Romans to show up and actually start building towns and
roads. While the best you could still manage, was covering
yourselves in blue paint, and throwing stones at them.
bb
I doubt a substantial portion of Gaza's current housing was built
before 1948 when the population was only 60,000.
I mentioned: "The economy of Gaza was tiny, so the buildings and goods
shown were purchased with foreign aid". How much accomodation shown in
this video was not funded by aid?
"GAZA Palestine - Life Before 2023 War - Walking Tour 4K" <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RFHWt8re7_I>
"Pamela" <pamela.private.mailbox@gmail.com> wrote in message news:XnsB4BCA11DC39151F3QA2@157.180.91.226...
On 14:32 2 Sep 2026, billy bookcase said:
"Pamela" <pamela.private.mailbox@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:XnsB4BB87912F6C41F3QA2@157.180.91.226...
The economy of Gaza was tiny, so the buildings and goods shown
were purchased with foreign aid.
I don't know what would make you say that.
quote:
Gaza's history of habitation dates back 5,000 years, making it one
of the oldest cities in the world#
:unquote
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gaza_City
They were already living in a city, when your ancestors were still
living in caves.
bb
I doubt a substantial portion of Gaza's current housing was built
before 1948 when the population was only 60,000.
Whats the got to do with the fact that Gaze city isn't a refugee camp
as you formerly believed
"Kerr-Mudd, John" <admin@127.0.0.1> wrote in message news:20260903181252.c697a7c8753268b91e3e5bb8@127.0.0.1...
On Thu, 03 Sep 2026 16:32:35 +0100
JNugent <JNugent73@mail.com> wrote:
On 03/09/2026 10:10 AM, billy bookcase wrote:
[]
Basically as a site it presumably had nothing which made it
particularly attractive to any of the warring Celtic tribes.
Bring too vulnerable to attack. As was shown by the fact
that the earliest Roman fort on the site was sacked by
Boadicia
Ah... Whatever happened to her on uk.politics.misc?
And why is this chat group not about moderators,
It would appear that the ULM server has gone of the blink
The last posting having been made and passed yesterday.
bb
I think you're getting mixed up with someone else. No wonder some of your >replies to me have been off-topic.
On 04/09/2026 in message <XnsB4BD62AFF1B9E1F3QA2@157.180.91.226>
Pamela wrote:
I think you're getting mixed up with someone else. No wonder some of
your replies to me have been off-topic.
It's the blue woad Pam, people confuse you with Mel Gibson :-)
Is the confusion between Ernest Bevin, British politician, and Menachem Begin,
Israeli terrorist and later politician a subtle joke?
"Roger Hayter" <roger@hayter.org> wrote in message news:2082335206.16cc103f@uninhabited.net...
Is the confusion between Ernest Bevin, British politician, and Menachem Begin,
Israeli terrorist and later politician a subtle joke?
No. It was spellcheck generated error as confirmed by my follow up post.
You really are that desparate aren't you ?
Anyway I will allow you your little triumph over on ULM. as that's about
the best you've ever managed; after years of trying
bb
On 4 Sep 2026 at 13:01:11 BST, ""billy bookcase"" <billy@anon.com> wrote:
"Roger Hayter" <roger@hayter.org> wrote in message
news:2082335206.16cc103f@uninhabited.net...
Is the confusion between Ernest Bevin, British politician, and Menachem >>> Begin,
Israeli terrorist and later politician a subtle joke?
No. It was spellcheck generated error as confirmed by my follow up post.
You really are that desparate aren't you ?
Anyway I will allow you your little triumph over on ULM. as that's about
the best you've ever managed; after years of trying
bb
Sorry I missed the follow up. Still an amusing typo though.
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