"Roger Hayter" <roger@hayter.org> wrote in message news:4607361086.6dfb9557@uninhabited.net...
I really don't think they should have accepted the thesis until the
title was corrected. Even at a polytechnic.
In fact it's worse, much much worse than that. While a supervisor
or supervisors may be mainly concerned with supporting the student
during the production of their thesis, discussing the topic and
general structure, suggesting sources, checking progress, general encouragement etc., *the very least* which might be expected in concrete terms, would be that they would read through the thing at least once
before its final submission, all 401 pages of it; if only for the
general sense.
Having not read any of it unguided, I first dipped into the
conclusion (see below). Having struck "lucky" on the first page, I
then tried the middle and chose page; 165 totally at random.
quote:
Importantly, discussions were initiated by the student teachersrCO concerning the exercise of professional judgement,
unquote
page 165
So trying the next page
quote:
However, there was a desire expressed by the traineesrCO to build and scaffold
on the knowledge they had acquired by revisiting themes and measuring or evaluating where improvements in in understanding and practice had been
made
:unquote
note also "in in"
page 166
quote:
The development of the content and course materials for the workshops was created in collaboration with the student teachersrCO with the traineesrCO leading
the agenda
:unquote
page 167
quote:
As eluded to earlier,
From the beginning of the mentoring intervention, it was collectively
agreed by the participantsrCO and the researcher
:unquote
page 169
quote:
Opportunities were provided for this to be undertaken before the workshops with participantsrCO completing reflective pro-formas
:unquote
page 170
quote:
This process was also facilitated by providing the student teachersrCO
Where relevant, the student teachersrCO set each other the task
Importantly, the student teachersrCO were able to track
:unquote
p 171
I went no further than that.
As to the first page I'd tried, page 334
quote:
but should demonstrate an interest in knowing about
the children they teach, the teaching staff, the non-teaching
staff and various other communities within the school vehicular.
:unquote
page 334
And no; there don't appear to be any "alternative" meanings.
Now had his supervisor read through his thesis before submission
*even the once* he would have picked up these egregious errors,
and presumably many more; and at the very least suggested doing a
few "find and replace" operations and other corrections before
submission
According to Wiki his supervisor was
Professor Phil Vickerman who is now Pro-Vice-Chancellor, Student Experience
https://www.ljmu.ac.uk/about-us/structure/executive-leadership-team/professor-phil-vickerman
And no it shouldn't be necessary to check; but yes he is in fact white.
And indeed he does look decidedly dodgy; would you want to buy a used
car from this man ?
But then he's possibly a Scouser as well; so that probably explains
a lot.
So that regardless of any plagiarism by Arday, its difficult
to see how this grinning chancer (ULM anyone *) could possibly
hold onto his job, never mind get promotions ; once anyone had
actually read his supervisee's work.
Which, as of now anyway, will henceforth reside for posterity
on the LJMU server and possibly elsewhere; as being a representative
sample of the standard of their PhD student's work.
While in Arday's defence, it might possibly be suggested that
any pages with redundant apostrophes or similarly egregious errors,
are unlikely to have been plagiarised, as well. So at least there
is that, I suppose.
bb
* It could have been a lot worse, but Scousers are devils for
claiming their compo; and I might even have got tracked down, .
on here. But he definitely looks worth checking, out to me.
** While as to little Jonny Ribbens, I can only suggest a few 1
cwt sacks of egg powder, a concrete mixer, and a paddling pool.
Even it wasn't Arday's fault. Guilt by association will do,
in this instance.
On 8/22/26 08:09, billy bookcase wrote:
"Roger Hayter" <roger@hayter.org> wrote in message
news:4607361086.6dfb9557@uninhabited.net...
I really don't think they should have accepted the thesis until the
title was corrected. Even at a polytechnic.
I don't know what planet you guys are from, but my talents at grammar and apostrophe use make grocers look advanced. In computing and tech subjects in general, no one cared.
"Pancho" <Pancho.Jones@protonmail.com> wrote in message news:116bk4t$17gt3$1@dont-email.me...
On 8/22/26 08:09, billy bookcase wrote:
"Roger Hayter" <roger@hayter.org> wrote in message
news:4607361086.6dfb9557@uninhabited.net...
I really don't think they should have accepted the thesis until the
title was corrected. Even at a polytechnic.
I don't know what planet you guys are from, but my talents at grammar and
apostrophe use make grocers look advanced. In computing and tech subjects in >> general, no one cared.
Good. So how did you communicate with one another ?
Grunts ?
On 8/22/26 08:09, billy bookcase wrote:
"Roger Hayter" <roger@hayter.org> wrote in message
news:4607361086.6dfb9557@uninhabited.net...
I really don't think they should have accepted the thesis until the
title was corrected. Even at a polytechnic.
I don't know what planet you guys are from, but my talents at grammar
and apostrophe use make grocers look advanced. In computing and tech
subjects in general, no one cared.
GB made a critical point about the allegations of plagiarism in Arday's
PhD, which was how did it compare to other PhDs. How significant was it. Virtually everyone commits a certain amount of plagiarism, copying
citations for instance. I mean everyone knows the vague names of
publications that they cite, but rather than correctly check the exact
tile of each publication you copy it from a list in another similar
paper, a paper which will inevitably rely on a huge number of the same
cites.
So yes if it was a PhD in secretarial work, or legal assistance I might consider apostrophe usage important, otherwise not so much.
Actually the worst examples I can think of for poor spelling and
handwriting are medical doctors.
<font color="#5856d6">snip</font>
GB made a critical point about the allegations of plagiarism in Arday's PhD, which was how did it compare to other PhDs.
On 22 Aug 2026 at 08:46:36 BST, "Pancho" <Pancho.Jones@protonmail.com> wrote:
On 8/22/26 08:09, billy bookcase wrote:
"Roger Hayter" <roger@hayter.org> wrote in message
news:4607361086.6dfb9557@uninhabited.net...
I really don't think they should have accepted the thesis until the
title was corrected. Even at a polytechnic.
I don't know what planet you guys are from, but my talents at grammar
and apostrophe use make grocers look advanced. In computing and tech
subjects in general, no one cared.
GB made a critical point about the allegations of plagiarism in Arday's
PhD, which was how did it compare to other PhDs. How significant was it.
Virtually everyone commits a certain amount of plagiarism, copying
citations for instance. I mean everyone knows the vague names of
publications that they cite, but rather than correctly check the exact
tile of each publication you copy it from a list in another similar
paper, a paper which will inevitably rely on a huge number of the same
cites.
So yes if it was a PhD in secretarial work, or legal assistance I might
consider apostrophe usage important, otherwise not so much.
Actually the worst examples I can think of for poor spelling and
handwriting are medical doctors.
<font color="#5856d6">snip</font>
Are there dyslexic computer programmers? If so, is code processed in a different part of the brain from natural language? Or is dyslexia just laziness, as a Victorian pedagogue would have supposed?
"Pancho" <Pancho.Jones@protonmail.com> wrote in message news:116bk4t$17gt3$1@dont-email.me...
GB made a critical point about the allegations of plagiarism in Arday's PhD, >> which was how did it compare to other PhDs.
From which one might well assume, that GB is maybe another *jumped up electrician*
The fact that any number of other people may be acting dishonestly,
can in no way mitigate the dishonesty of any one particular individual
When the only possible point of comparison here, is with PhDs written
before the advent of computers; when all such plagiarism was impossible.
bb
On 22 Aug 2026 at 08:46:36 BST, "Pancho" <Pancho.Jones@protonmail.com> wrote:
On 8/22/26 08:09, billy bookcase wrote:
"Roger Hayter" <roger@hayter.org> wrote in message
news:4607361086.6dfb9557@uninhabited.net...
I really don't think they should have accepted the thesis until the
title was corrected. Even at a polytechnic.
I don't know what planet you guys are from, but my talents at grammar
and apostrophe use make grocers look advanced. In computing and tech
subjects in general, no one cared.
GB made a critical point about the allegations of plagiarism in Arday's
PhD, which was how did it compare to other PhDs. How significant was it.
Virtually everyone commits a certain amount of plagiarism, copying
citations for instance. I mean everyone knows the vague names of
publications that they cite, but rather than correctly check the exact
tile of each publication you copy it from a list in another similar
paper, a paper which will inevitably rely on a huge number of the same
cites.
So yes if it was a PhD in secretarial work, or legal assistance I might
consider apostrophe usage important, otherwise not so much.
Actually the worst examples I can think of for poor spelling and
handwriting are medical doctors.
<font color="#5856d6">snip</font>
Are there dyslexic computer programmers? If so, is code processed in a different part of the brain from natural language? Or is dyslexia just laziness, as a Victorian pedagogue would have supposed?
On 22 Aug 2026 at 09:15:59 BST, ""billy bookcase"" <billy@anon.com> wrote:
"Pancho" <Pancho.Jones@protonmail.com> wrote in message
news:116bk4t$17gt3$1@dont-email.me...
GB made a critical point about the allegations of plagiarism in Arday's PhD,
which was how did it compare to other PhDs.
From which one might well assume, that GB is maybe another *jumped up
electrician*
The fact that any number of other people may be acting dishonestly,
can in no way mitigate the dishonesty of any one particular individual
When the only possible point of comparison here, is with PhDs written
before the advent of computers; when all such plagiarism was impossible.
bb
You are mistaken. Typing out a long passage largely from memory, even with the
odd word, phrase or grammatical difference, and a few mistakes of sentence order, is still plagiarism, and was always possible; and often detected later.
"Roger Hayter" <roger@hayter.org> wrote in message news:8715584328.97e3a7a3@uninhabited.net...
On 22 Aug 2026 at 09:15:59 BST, ""billy bookcase"" <billy@anon.com> wrote: >>
"Pancho" <Pancho.Jones@protonmail.com> wrote in message
news:116bk4t$17gt3$1@dont-email.me...
GB made a critical point about the allegations of plagiarism in Arday's PhD,
which was how did it compare to other PhDs.
From which one might well assume, that GB is maybe another *jumped up
electrician*
The fact that any number of other people may be acting dishonestly,
can in no way mitigate the dishonesty of any one particular individual
When the only possible point of comparison here, is with PhDs written
before the advent of computers; when all such plagiarism was impossible. >>>
bb
You are mistaken. Typing out a long passage largely from memory, even with the
odd word, phrase or grammatical difference, and a few mistakes of sentence >> order, is still plagiarism, and was always possible; and often detected later.
I was even more mistaken that that !
As they could simply copy stuff straight out of books.
bb
On 22 Aug 2026 at 09:42:45 BST, ""billy bookcase"" <billy@anon.com> wrote:
"Roger Hayter" <roger@hayter.org> wrote in message
news:8715584328.97e3a7a3@uninhabited.net...
On 22 Aug 2026 at 09:15:59 BST, ""billy bookcase"" <billy@anon.com> wrote: >>>
"Pancho" <Pancho.Jones@protonmail.com> wrote in message
news:116bk4t$17gt3$1@dont-email.me...
GB made a critical point about the allegations of plagiarism in Arday's >>>>> PhD,
which was how did it compare to other PhDs.
From which one might well assume, that GB is maybe another *jumped up
electrician*
The fact that any number of other people may be acting dishonestly,
can in no way mitigate the dishonesty of any one particular individual >>>>
When the only possible point of comparison here, is with PhDs written
before the advent of computers; when all such plagiarism was impossible. >>>>
bb
You are mistaken. Typing out a long passage largely from memory, even with >>> the
odd word, phrase or grammatical difference, and a few mistakes of sentence >>> order, is still plagiarism, and was always possible; and often detected
later.
I was even more mistaken that that !
As they could simply copy stuff straight out of books.
bb
That is very slow unless you can touch type. Although come to think of it many
people wrote things out by hand and paid someone to type them.
On 8/22/26 08:09, billy bookcase wrote:
"Roger Hayter" <roger@hayter.org> wrote in message
news:4607361086.6dfb9557@uninhabited.net...
I really don't think they should have accepted the thesis until the
title was corrected. Even at a polytechnic.
I don't know what planet you guys are from, but my talents at grammar and apostrophe use make grocers look advanced. In computing and tech subjects in general, no one cared.
"Pancho" <Pancho.Jones@protonmail.com> wrote in message news:116bk4t$17gt3$1@dont-email.me...
On 8/22/26 08:09, billy bookcase wrote:
"Roger Hayter" <roger@hayter.org> wrote in message
news:4607361086.6dfb9557@uninhabited.net...
I really don't think they should have accepted the thesis until the
title was corrected. Even at a polytechnic.
I don't know what planet you guys are from, but my talents at grammar and
apostrophe use make grocers look advanced. In computing and tech subjects in >> general, no one cared.
It's a planet where state funded Universities are competing for the privilege of charging students N+u9.5k a year
Where status wise, its probably not the best of ideas to launch documents into the public domain, indicating you apparently award PhD's to semi-literates;
at least as the term is normally understood
bb
On 22 Aug 2026 at 17:24:22 BST, ""billy bookcase"" <billy@anon.com> wrote:
Where status wise, its probably not the best of ideas to launch documents
into the public domain, indicating you apparently award PhD's to
semi-literates;
at least as the term is normally understood
If you are a semi-literate person seeking somewhere to do a PhD in a nebulous subject without to much risk of failing it would seem quite a positive advert.
"Roger Hayter" <roger@hayter.org> wrote:
"billy bookcase"" <billy@anon.com> wrote:
Where status wise, its probably not the best of ideas to launch documents >>> into the public domain, indicating you apparently award PhD's to
semi-literates; at least as the term is normally understood
If you are a semi-literate person seeking somewhere to do a PhD in a nebulous
subject without to much risk of failing it would seem quite a positive advert.
And how exactly do you suppose a University enhances its "status" (see above) in a highly competitive environment, if it's seen to be dishing out PhD's
to semi-literate students ?
Once word gets around, who's going to be willing to fork out 9 grand a year, for a worthless piece of paper ?
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