public feel they can openly harass and be quite aggressive.">> Another maleMP said they now avoided pubs after being aggressively cornered> while having a drink with his wife. "Someone just launched at me over Gaza,> saying that I had taken part in a genocide," they said. "It's just not a reasonable discussion, it's just an attack.
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<the_todal@icloud.com> wrote in messagenews:nbousrFgjmjU1@mid.individual.net...>
The murder of Ann Widdecombe has resulted in a series of anecdotes from other>
politicians about death threats that they face regularly.>> Is it perhaps because Ann was a gentle old lady, probably eccentric and> wrong-headed but nevertheless admired for her honesty and lack of fashion> sense? I did quite like her, especially as she never really made her views> more popular by her public statements.>> Now an MP claims that when sitting quietly in a pub he was
accused by another> customer of participating in Gaza's genocide. I think that
should go with the> territory, and if MPs want to be protected from such non-violent arguments> they should stay at home or wear a disguise in public places. They want all> the publicity and the attention when they are standing for election. Do they> then want all arguments to be confined within the hallowed precincts of> Parliament? Of course, actual threats of violence should
be traced back to the> sender and there should be prosecutions.>> https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2026/jul/14/mp-death-threats-daily-reality-increasing-climate-abuse-intimidation>>
The former victims' minister Alex Davies-Jones said threats were a weekly> occurrence for most MPs she knew. "It changes how you live your life. You're> constantly on alert and always looking out for danger," she said. "I think > it's> definitely got more severe. It feels like increasingly some members of
public feel they can openly harass and be quite aggressive.">> Anothermale
MP said they now avoided pubs after being aggressively cornered> while having a
drink with his wife. "Someone just launched at me over Gaza,> saying that I had
taken part in a genocide," they said. "It's just not a reasonable discussion, it's just an attack.
My contribution
"Unfortunately this is symptomatic of a coarsening of
public life exxacerbated by increasing political polarisation. Starting in the US.Where previously political opponents and academics with differing views could step back and share common ground, nowadays that's no longer possible and insults are traded instead.
Which then naturally seeps down to the public, In the UK
Brexit was possibly the first divisive issue where this really became apparent.It's also a consequence of widespread participation in social media; where people are losing sight of any difference between what they'd type on
a screen about someone and what they would say to their face in public.To a respectable MP at least. Rather than say, Tommy Robinson Buoyed up by the support
they're getting for their views on social media.I just happened to have been reading Jared Diamond on this topic. Who himself has been subject to such abuse.
bb
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"The Todal"
<the_todal@icloud.com> wrote in
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The murder of Ann Widdecombe has resulted in a series of anecdotes from
other>
politicians about death threats that they face regularly.>> Is it perhaps
because Ann was a gentle old lady, probably eccentric and> wrong-headed but >> nevertheless admired for her honesty and lack of fashion> sense? I did quite >> like her, especially as she never really made her views> more popular by her >> public statements.>> Now an MP claims that when sitting quietly in a pub he >> was
accused by another> customer of participating in Gaza's genocide. I think
that
should go with the> territory, and if MPs want to be protected from such
non-violent arguments> they should stay at home or wear a disguise in public >> places. They want all> the publicity and the attention when they are standing
for election. Do they> then want all arguments to be confined within the
hallowed precincts of> Parliament? Of course, actual threats of violence
should
be traced back to the> sender and there should be prosecutions.>>
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2026/jul/14/mp-death-threats-daily-reality-increasing-climate-abuse-intimidation>>
The former victims' minister Alex Davies-Jones said threats were a weekly> >> occurrence for most MPs she knew. "It changes how you live your life. You're>
constantly on alert and always looking out for danger," she said. "I think > >> it's> definitely got more severe. It feels like increasingly some members of >> the> public feel they can openly harass and be quite aggressive.">> Another >> male
MP said they now avoided pubs after being aggressively cornered> while having
a
drink with his wife. "Someone just launched at me over Gaza,> saying that I >> had
taken part in a genocide," they said. "It's just not a reasonable discussion,
it's just an attack.
My contribution
"Unfortunately this is symptomatic of a coarsening of
public life exxacerbated by increasing political polarisation. Starting in >> the US.Where previously political opponents and academics with differing >> views could step back and share common ground, nowadays that's no longer
possible and insults are traded instead.
Which then naturally seeps down to the public, In the UK
Brexit was possibly the first divisive issue where this really became
apparent.It's also a consequence of widespread participation in social media;
where people are losing sight of any difference between what they'd type on >> a screen about someone and what they would say to their face in public.To a >> respectable MP at least. Rather than say, Tommy Robinson Buoyed up by the
support
they're getting for their views on social media.I just happened to have been >> reading Jared Diamond on this topic. Who himself has been subject to such
abuse.
bb
I agree, that is a bizarre rejection. Perhaps you should stop arguing about prepaid credit cards???
"Roger Hayter" <roger@hayter.org> wrote in message news:1825409856.9037397c@uninhabited.net...
I agree, that is a bizarre rejection. Perhaps you should stop arguing about >> prepaid credit cards???
Assuming what you are suggesting is true.
It's not as though I'm taking advantage of someone with learning
difficulties or anything, is it ?
Or so I assume, at least.
While if someone is psychologically incapable of ever admitting that
they are wrong about anything, then that is hardly my fault is it ?
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"The Todal"
<the_todal@icloud.com> wrote in
messagenews:nbousrFgjmjU1@mid.individual.net...>
The murder of Ann Widdecombe has resulted in a series of anecdotes from other>
politicians about death threats that they face regularly.>> Is it perhaps
because Ann was a gentle old lady, probably eccentric and> wrong-headed but >> nevertheless admired for her honesty and lack of fashion> sense? I did quite >> like her, especially as she never really made her views> more popular by her >> public statements.>> Now an MP claims that when sitting quietly in a pub he was
accused by another> customer of participating in Gaza's genocide. I think that
should go with the> territory, and if MPs want to be protected from such
non-violent arguments> they should stay at home or wear a disguise in public >> places. They want all> the publicity and the attention when they are standing
for election. Do they> then want all arguments to be confined within the
hallowed precincts of> Parliament? Of course, actual threats of violence should
be traced back to the> sender and there should be prosecutions.>>
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2026/jul/14/mp-death-threats-daily-reality-increasing-climate-abuse-intimidation>>
The former victims' minister Alex Davies-Jones said threats were a weekly> >> occurrence for most MPs she knew. "It changes how you live your life. You're>
constantly on alert and always looking out for danger," she said. "I think > >> it's> definitely got more severe. It feels like increasingly some members of >> the> public feel they can openly harass and be quite aggressive.">> Another >> male
MP said they now avoided pubs after being aggressively cornered> while having a
drink with his wife. "Someone just launched at me over Gaza,> saying that I had
taken part in a genocide," they said. "It's just not a reasonable discussion,
it's just an attack.
My contribution
"Unfortunately this is symptomatic of a coarsening of
public life exxacerbated by increasing political polarisation. Starting in >> the US.Where previously political opponents and academics with differing >> views could step back and share common ground, nowadays that's no longer
possible and insults are traded instead.
Which then naturally seeps down to the public, In the UK
Brexit was possibly the first divisive issue where this really became
apparent.It's also a consequence of widespread participation in social media;
where people are losing sight of any difference between what they'd type on >> a screen about someone and what they would say to their face in public.To a >> respectable MP at least. Rather than say, Tommy Robinson Buoyed up by the
support
they're getting for their views on social media.I just happened to have been >> reading Jared Diamond on this topic. Who himself has been subject to such
abuse.
bb
I agree, that is a bizarre rejection. Perhaps you should stop arguing about prepaid credit cards???
On 15/07/2026 13:24, Roger Hayter wrote:
On 15 Jul 2026 at 13:03:34 BST, ""billy bookcase"" <billy@anon.com> wrote: >>> Thank you for your message. However the moderators have rejected it
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"The Todal"
<the_todal@icloud.com> wrote in
messagenews:nbousrFgjmjU1@mid.individual.net...>
The murder of Ann Widdecombe has resulted in a series of anecdotes from other>
politicians about death threats that they face regularly.>> Is it perhaps >>> because Ann was a gentle old lady, probably eccentric and> wrong-headed but >>> nevertheless admired for her honesty and lack of fashion> sense? I did quite
like her, especially as she never really made her views> more popular by her
public statements.>> Now an MP claims that when sitting quietly in a pub he was
accused by another> customer of participating in Gaza's genocide. I think that
should go with the> territory, and if MPs want to be protected from such >>> non-violent arguments> they should stay at home or wear a disguise in public
places. They want all> the publicity and the attention when they are standing
for election. Do they> then want all arguments to be confined within the >>> hallowed precincts of> Parliament? Of course, actual threats of violence should
be traced back to the> sender and there should be prosecutions.>>
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2026/jul/14/mp-death-threats-daily-reality-increasing-climate-abuse-intimidation>>
The former victims' minister Alex Davies-Jones said threats were a weekly> >>> occurrence for most MPs she knew. "It changes how you live your life. You're>
constantly on alert and always looking out for danger," she said. "I think >
it's> definitely got more severe. It feels like increasingly some members of
public feel they can openly harass and be quite aggressive.">> Another >>> maleMP said they now avoided pubs after being aggressively cornered> while having a
drink with his wife. "Someone just launched at me over Gaza,> saying that I had
taken part in a genocide," they said. "It's just not a reasonable discussion,
it's just an attack.
My contribution
"Unfortunately this is symptomatic of a coarsening of
public life exxacerbated by increasing political polarisation. Starting in >>> the US.Where previously political opponents and academics with differing >>> views could step back and share common ground, nowadays that's no longer >>> possible and insults are traded instead.
Which then naturally seeps down to the public, In the UK
Brexit was possibly the first divisive issue where this really became
apparent.It's also a consequence of widespread participation in social media;
where people are losing sight of any difference between what they'd type on >>> a screen about someone and what they would say to their face in public.To a >>> respectable MP at least. Rather than say, Tommy Robinson Buoyed up by the >>> support
they're getting for their views on social media.I just happened to have been
reading Jared Diamond on this topic. Who himself has been subject to such >>> abuse.
bb
I agree, that is a bizarre rejection. Perhaps you should stop arguing about >> prepaid credit cards???
It is an unjustified and unreasonable rejection.
On 2026-07-15, billy bookcase <billy@anon.com> wrote:
"Roger Hayter" <roger@hayter.org> wrote in message
news:1825409856.9037397c@uninhabited.net...
I agree, that is a bizarre rejection. Perhaps you should stop arguing about >>> prepaid credit cards???
Assuming what you are suggesting is true.
It's not as though I'm taking advantage of someone with learning
difficulties or anything, is it ?
Or so I assume, at least.
While if someone is psychologically incapable of ever admitting that
they are wrong about anything, then that is hardly my fault is it ?
If that is the case, it's not the only psychological flaw on display.
"Jon Ribbens" <jon+usenet@unequivocal.eu> wrote in message news:slrn115f93v.28b.jon+usenet@raven.unequivocal.eu...
On 2026-07-15, billy bookcase <billy@anon.com> wrote:
"Roger Hayter" <roger@hayter.org> wrote in message
news:1825409856.9037397c@uninhabited.net...
I agree, that is a bizarre rejection. Perhaps you should stop
arguing about prepaid credit cards???
Assuming what you are suggesting is true.
It's not as though I'm taking advantage of someone with learning
difficulties or anything, is it ?
Or so I assume, at least.
While if someone is psychologically incapable of ever admitting that
they are wrong about anything, then that is hardly my fault is it ?
If that is the case, it's not the only psychological flaw on display.
Quite possibly; but as he's already mainly using the group as a source
of free legal advice, I've no intention of throwing in free psychological profiling as well.
On 2026-07-15, billy bookcase <billy@anon.com> wrote:
"Jon Ribbens" <jon+usenet@unequivocal.eu> wrote in message
news:slrn115f93v.28b.jon+usenet@raven.unequivocal.eu...
On 2026-07-15, billy bookcase <billy@anon.com> wrote:
"Roger Hayter" <roger@hayter.org> wrote in message
news:1825409856.9037397c@uninhabited.net...
I agree, that is a bizarre rejection. Perhaps you should stop
arguing about prepaid credit cards???
Assuming what you are suggesting is true.
It's not as though I'm taking advantage of someone with learning
difficulties or anything, is it ?
Or so I assume, at least.
While if someone is psychologically incapable of ever admitting that
they are wrong about anything, then that is hardly my fault is it ?
If that is the case, it's not the only psychological flaw on display.
Quite possibly; but as he's already mainly using the group as a source
of free legal advice, I've no intention of throwing in free psychological
profiling as well.
I fear you may have missed my point, which was that more than one person involved was exhibiting psychological flaws.
"Jon Ribbens" <jon+usenet@unequivocal.eu> wrote in message news:slrn115f93v.28b.jon+usenet@raven.unequivocal.eu...
On 2026-07-15, billy bookcase <billy@anon.com> wrote:
"Roger Hayter" <roger@hayter.org> wrote in message
news:1825409856.9037397c@uninhabited.net...
I agree, that is a bizarre rejection. Perhaps you should stop arguing about
prepaid credit cards???
Assuming what you are suggesting is true.
It's not as though I'm taking advantage of someone with learning
difficulties or anything, is it ?
Or so I assume, at least.
While if someone is psychologically incapable of ever admitting that
they are wrong about anything, then that is hardly my fault is it ?
If that is the case, it's not the only psychological flaw on display.
Quite possibly; but as he's already mainly using the group as a source
of free legal advice, I've no intention of throwing in free psychological profiling as well.
bb
On 15 Jul 2026 at 18:29:27 BST, ""billy bookcase"" <billy@anon.com> wrote:
"Jon Ribbens" <jon+usenet@unequivocal.eu> wrote in message
news:slrn115f93v.28b.jon+usenet@raven.unequivocal.eu...
On 2026-07-15, billy bookcase <billy@anon.com> wrote:
"Roger Hayter" <roger@hayter.org> wrote in message
news:1825409856.9037397c@uninhabited.net...
I agree, that is a bizarre rejection. Perhaps you should stop arguing >>>>> about
prepaid credit cards???
Assuming what you are suggesting is true.
It's not as though I'm taking advantage of someone with learning
difficulties or anything, is it ?
Or so I assume, at least.
While if someone is psychologically incapable of ever admitting that
they are wrong about anything, then that is hardly my fault is it ?
If that is the case, it's not the only psychological flaw on display.
Quite possibly; but as he's already mainly using the group as a source
of free legal advice, I've no intention of throwing in free psychological
profiling as well.
bb
I think it is extraordinarily naive of you (and another poster) to suppose that Roland is using the group as a source of legal advice; he tends to use (more or less edited) personal cases as material for discussion, as a public service to the group. His main fault, in fact, is to become irrationally enraged if anyone disputes his own amateur legal analysis. That is really *not* asking for advice.
--
Roger Hayter
On 15 Jul 2026 at 18:29:27 BST, ""billy bookcase"" <billy@anon.com> wrote:
"Jon Ribbens" <jon+usenet@unequivocal.eu> wrote in message
news:slrn115f93v.28b.jon+usenet@raven.unequivocal.eu...
On 2026-07-15, billy bookcase <billy@anon.com> wrote:
"Roger Hayter" <roger@hayter.org> wrote in message
news:1825409856.9037397c@uninhabited.net...
I agree, that is a bizarre rejection. Perhaps you should stop arguing >>>>> about
prepaid credit cards???
Assuming what you are suggesting is true.
It's not as though I'm taking advantage of someone with learning
difficulties or anything, is it ?
Or so I assume, at least.
While if someone is psychologically incapable of ever admitting that
they are wrong about anything, then that is hardly my fault is it ?
If that is the case, it's not the only psychological flaw on display.
Quite possibly; but as he's already mainly using the group as a source
of free legal advice, I've no intention of throwing in free psychological
profiling as well.
bb
I think it is extraordinarily naive of you (and another poster) to suppose that Roland is using the group as a source of legal advice;
I think it is extraordinarily naive of you (and another poster) to suppose >that Roland is using the group
as a source of legal advice;
he tends to use (more or less edited) personal cases as material for >discussion, as a public service to the group. His main fault, in fact,
is to become irrationally enraged if anyone disputes his own amateur
legal analysis.
That is really *not* asking for advice.
The harassment of other ulm participants is definitely not permitted, although
it does seem to be escalating.
"Roland Perry" <roland@perry.co.uk> wrote in message >news:fsKMfDDZ2HWqFAjx@perry.uk...
The harassment of other ulm participants is definitely not permitted, >>although it does seem to be escalating.
That's a rather serious charge.
Who exactly are you suggesting is being harassed, and by whom ?
Or do you choose to regard all unwelcome but perfectly legitimate
questions, as a form of harassment ?
In message <113a2ld$1q15m$1@dont-email.me>, at 08:53:15 on Thu, 16 Jul 2026, billy bookcase <billy@anon.com> remarked:
"Roland Perry" <roland@perry.co.uk> wrote in message >>news:fsKMfDDZ2HWqFAjx@perry.uk...
The harassment of other ulm participants is definitely not permitted,
although it does seem to be escalating.
That's a rather serious charge.
Who exactly are you suggesting is being harassed, and by whom ?
Or do you choose to regard all unwelcome but perfectly legitimate >>questions, as a form of harassment ?
It's the way the questions are phrased.
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