• Nothing New ?

    From billy bookcase@billy@anon.com to uk.net.news.moderation on Wed Mar 18 09:13:34 2026
    From Newsgroup: uk.net.news.moderation

    Norman Wells has just had a post rejected, forming part
    of his long running exchange with Simon Parker; on account
    of its allegedly containing nothing new.

    The message is available for scrutiny on

    https://www.chiark.greenend.org.uk/~webstump/g.ulm/messages/nr-177375976824377.txt

    And while much of it wasn't in fact new, just Norman
    repeatedly questioning why HMRC should require detailed
    information on Estates where no IHT was due - they just
    do alright ?

    Or foolishly questioning the validity of patently genuine quotes

    At least one exchange, was nevertheless of particular interest

    quote:

    ............................................

    NW > Where no inheritance tax will be due, as with any estate that passes
    entirely to a spouse, HMRC recognises that it is just make-work to
    require pointless form filling and examination.- It therefore has a
    simplified procedure for 'excepted estates' that does not require the
    tedious and time-consuming formality of the IHT400 procedures.- The
    estate value limit for that is -u3 million.

    Congratulations on your use of search engines and AI to discover
    "excepted estate" status.

    NW about which you clearly knew very little, especially in respect of
    estates the size of the one we're considering.

    It's very strange you did not mention it earlier if you were.

    .................................................

    :unquote


    Which indeed is "new". Very "new" in fact.

    As indeed, in the whole course of this lengthy exchange, up
    until Norman's introducing such a possibility, was there any
    mention of 'excepted estates' at all. None.

    Which despite Simom Parker's protestations to the contrary
    in respect of the significance of excepted estate status,
    and hence his not mentioning it previously, could quite
    possibly have been of especial relevance, the present instance

    quote:

    Benefits of being an excepted estate
    The key advantages include:

    a.. No need to prepare a full Inheritance Tax account (IHT400) in many cases.

    b.. Reduced administrative burdens for the PR.

    c.. Fewer formal tax calculations and often a simpler path to obtaining a Grant (if required).

    :unquote

    https://www.kctrust.co.uk/help/what-is-an-excepted-estate

    So that Norman's observation

    It's very strange you did not mention it earlier if you were.

    Seems both very pertinent, on topic, and very "new".

    Unlike interminable and doubtlessly endlessly absorbing discussions
    of the technical aspects of telephone systems, which presumably
    are simply totally unavailable in any other place, online.



    bb












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  • From The Todal@the_todal@icloud.com to uk.net.news.moderation on Wed Mar 18 09:21:54 2026
    From Newsgroup: uk.net.news.moderation

    On 18/03/2026 09:13, billy bookcase wrote:
    Norman Wells has just had a post rejected, forming part
    of his long running exchange with Simon Parker; on account
    of its allegedly containing nothing new.

    The message is available for scrutiny on

    https://www.chiark.greenend.org.uk/~webstump/g.ulm/messages/nr-177375976824377.txt

    And while much of it wasn't in fact new, just Norman
    repeatedly questioning why HMRC should require detailed
    information on Estates where no IHT was due - they just
    do alright ?

    Or foolishly questioning the validity of patently genuine quotes

    At least one exchange, was nevertheless of particular interest

    quote:

    ............................................

    NW > Where no inheritance tax will be due, as with any estate that passes
    entirely to a spouse, HMRC recognises that it is just make-work to
    require pointless form filling and examination.-o It therefore has a
    simplified procedure for 'excepted estates' that does not require the
    tedious and time-consuming formality of the IHT400 procedures.-o The
    estate value limit for that is -o-a3 million.

    Congratulations on your use of search engines and AI to discover
    "excepted estate" status.

    NW about which you clearly knew very little, especially in respect of
    estates the size of the one we're considering.

    It's very strange you did not mention it earlier if you were.

    .................................................

    :unquote


    Which indeed is "new". Very "new" in fact.

    As indeed, in the whole course of this lengthy exchange, up
    until Norman's introducing such a possibility, was there any
    mention of 'excepted estates' at all. None.

    Which despite Simom Parker's protestations to the contrary
    in respect of the significance of excepted estate status,
    and hence his not mentioning it previously, could quite
    possibly have been of especial relevance, the present instance

    quote:

    Benefits of being an excepted estate
    The key advantages include:

    a.. No need to prepare a full Inheritance Tax account (IHT400) in many cases.

    b.. Reduced administrative burdens for the PR.

    c.. Fewer formal tax calculations and often a simpler path to obtaining a Grant (if required).

    :unquote

    https://www.kctrust.co.uk/help/what-is-an-excepted-estate

    So that Norman's observation

    It's very strange you did not mention it earlier if you were.

    Seems both very pertinent, on topic, and very "new".

    Unlike interminable and doubtlessly endlessly absorbing discussions
    of the technical aspects of telephone systems, which presumably
    are simply totally unavailable in any other place, online.


    Just to clarify, it was I who rejected a recent series of posts from
    Norman including, I think, the above.

    If it did contain anything new, then I think Norman should have edited
    and snipped some of his dreary repetitive mocking remarks and got to the
    point more concisely.



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  • From Norman Wells@hex@unseen.ac.am to uk.net.news.moderation on Wed Mar 18 09:44:01 2026
    From Newsgroup: uk.net.news.moderation

    On 18/03/2026 09:21, The Todal wrote:
    On 18/03/2026 09:13, billy bookcase wrote:
    Norman Wells has just had a post rejected, forming part
    of his long running exchange with Simon Parker; on account
    of its allegedly containing nothing new.

    The message is available for scrutiny on

    https://www.chiark.greenend.org.uk/~webstump/g.ulm/messages/
    nr-177375976824377.txt

    And while much of it wasn't in fact new, just Norman
    repeatedly questioning why HMRC should require detailed
    information on Estates where no IHT was due - they just
    do alright ?

    Or foolishly questioning the validity of patently genuine quotes

    At least one exchange, was nevertheless of particular interest

    quote:

    ............................................

    NW > Where no inheritance tax will be due, as with any estate that passes >>>>> entirely to a spouse, HMRC recognises that it is just make-work to
    require pointless form filling and examination.-o-a It therefore has a >>>>> simplified procedure for 'excepted estates' that does not require the >>>>> tedious and time-consuming formality of the IHT400 procedures.-o-a The >>>>> estate value limit for that is -o-a3 million.

    Congratulations on your use of search engines and AI to discover
    "excepted estate" status.

    NW about which you clearly knew very little, especially in respect of
    estates the size of the one we're considering.

    It's very strange you did not mention it earlier if you were.

    .................................................

    :unquote


    Which indeed is "new". Very "new" in fact.

    As indeed, in the whole course of this lengthy exchange, up
    until Norman's introducing such a possibility, was there any
    mention of 'excepted estates' at all. None.

    Which despite Simom Parker's protestations to the contrary
    in respect of the significance of excepted estate status,
    and hence his not mentioning it previously, could quite
    possibly have been of especial relevance, the present instance

    quote:

    Benefits of being an excepted estate
    The key advantages include:

    -a-a a.. No need to prepare a full Inheritance Tax account (IHT400) in
    many cases.

    -a-a b.. Reduced administrative burdens for the PR.

    -a-a c.. Fewer formal tax calculations and often a simpler path to
    obtaining a
    Grant (if required).

    :unquote

    https://www.kctrust.co.uk/help/what-is-an-excepted-estate

    So that Norman's observation

    It's very strange you did not mention it earlier if you were.

    Seems both very pertinent, on topic, and very "new".

    Unlike interminable and doubtlessly endlessly absorbing discussions
    of the technical aspects of telephone systems, which presumably
    are simply totally unavailable in any other place, online.


    Just to clarify, it was I who rejected a recent series of posts from
    Norman including, I think, the above.

    If it did contain anything new, then I think Norman should have edited
    and snipped some of his dreary repetitive mocking remarks and got to the point more concisely.

    I don't start any mocking at all. Perhaps you should be looking closer
    to home and reining in the many ad homs and insults regularly flobbed my
    way by your fellow moderators, especially Mr Parker, which will have
    escaped no-one's attention?

    If you don't want sensible and indeed helpful discussion of important
    matters in ulm, you're going exactly the right way about it.

    Why should I bother correcting others' amateur misconceptions and
    ignorance? Why should I not just leave them mired in problems of their
    own making?


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  • From billy bookcase@billy@anon.com to uk.net.news.moderation on Wed Mar 18 10:48:08 2026
    From Newsgroup: uk.net.news.moderation


    "The Todal" <the_todal@icloud.com> wrote in message news:n1v95iFml3iU1@mid.individual.net...
    On 18/03/2026 09:13, billy bookcase wrote:
    Norman Wells has just had a post rejected, forming part
    of his long running exchange with Simon Parker; on account
    of its allegedly containing nothing new.

    The message is available for scrutiny on

    https://www.chiark.greenend.org.uk/~webstump/g.ulm/messages/nr-177375976824377.txt

    And while much of it wasn't in fact new, just Norman
    repeatedly questioning why HMRC should require detailed
    information on Estates where no IHT was due - they just
    do alright ?

    Or foolishly questioning the validity of patently genuine quotes

    At least one exchange, was nevertheless of particular interest

    quote:

    ............................................

    NW > Where no inheritance tax will be due, as with any estate that passes >>>>> entirely to a spouse, HMRC recognises that it is just make-work to
    require pointless form filling and examination.? It therefore has a >>>>> simplified procedure for 'excepted estates' that does not require the >>>>> tedious and time-consuming formality of the IHT400 procedures.? The >>>>> estate value limit for that is ??3 million.

    Congratulations on your use of search engines and AI to discover
    "excepted estate" status.

    NW about which you clearly knew very little, especially in respect of
    estates the size of the one we're considering.

    It's very strange you did not mention it earlier if you were.

    .................................................

    :unquote


    Which indeed is "new". Very "new" in fact.

    As indeed, in the whole course of this lengthy exchange, up
    until Norman's introducing such a possibility, was there any
    mention of 'excepted estates' at all. None.

    Which despite Simom Parker's protestations to the contrary
    in respect of the significance of excepted estate status,
    and hence his not mentioning it previously, could quite
    possibly have been of especial relevance, the present instance

    quote:

    Benefits of being an excepted estate
    The key advantages include:

    a.. No need to prepare a full Inheritance Tax account (IHT400) in many
    cases.

    b.. Reduced administrative burdens for the PR.

    c.. Fewer formal tax calculations and often a simpler path to obtaining a >> Grant (if required).

    :unquote

    https://www.kctrust.co.uk/help/what-is-an-excepted-estate

    So that Norman's observation

    It's very strange you did not mention it earlier if you were.

    Seems both very pertinent, on topic, and very "new".

    Unlike interminable and doubtlessly endlessly absorbing discussions
    of the technical aspects of telephone systems, which presumably
    are simply totally unavailable in any other place, online.


    Just to clarify, it was I who rejected a recent series of posts from Norman including, I think, the above.

    If it did contain anything new,

    It did

    en I think Norman should have edited
    and snipped

    It was an exchange between two posters; where Norman was being
    challenged throughout.

    The responsibility for snipping is not Norman's alone

    some of his dreary repetitive mocking remarks and got to the point more concisely.

    At a rough guess around 80% of the ,material posted in that thread would appear dreary and repetitive, to anyone not taking an active interest in it.

    As to "repetitive mocking remarks" I can only assume you have chosen
    to overlook the tone of mocking condescension, and worse, to which
    Norman Wells has regularly been subjected, ever since Simon Parker's
    arrival on ULM.



    bb



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  • From The Todal@the_todal@icloud.com to uk.net.news.moderation on Thu Mar 19 09:44:39 2026
    From Newsgroup: uk.net.news.moderation

    On 18/03/2026 10:48, billy bookcase wrote:
    "The Todal" <the_todal@icloud.com> wrote in message news:n1v95iFml3iU1@mid.individual.net...
    On 18/03/2026 09:13, billy bookcase wrote:
    Norman Wells has just had a post rejected, forming part
    of his long running exchange with Simon Parker; on account
    of its allegedly containing nothing new.

    The message is available for scrutiny on

    https://www.chiark.greenend.org.uk/~webstump/g.ulm/messages/nr-177375976824377.txt

    And while much of it wasn't in fact new, just Norman
    repeatedly questioning why HMRC should require detailed
    information on Estates where no IHT was due - they just
    do alright ?

    Or foolishly questioning the validity of patently genuine quotes

    At least one exchange, was nevertheless of particular interest

    quote:

    ............................................

    NW > Where no inheritance tax will be due, as with any estate that passes >>>>>> entirely to a spouse, HMRC recognises that it is just make-work to >>>>>> require pointless form filling and examination.? It therefore has a >>>>>> simplified procedure for 'excepted estates' that does not require the >>>>>> tedious and time-consuming formality of the IHT400 procedures.? The >>>>>> estate value limit for that is ??3 million.

    Congratulations on your use of search engines and AI to discover
    "excepted estate" status.

    NW about which you clearly knew very little, especially in respect of
    estates the size of the one we're considering.

    It's very strange you did not mention it earlier if you were.

    .................................................

    :unquote


    Which indeed is "new". Very "new" in fact.

    As indeed, in the whole course of this lengthy exchange, up
    until Norman's introducing such a possibility, was there any
    mention of 'excepted estates' at all. None.

    Which despite Simom Parker's protestations to the contrary
    in respect of the significance of excepted estate status,
    and hence his not mentioning it previously, could quite
    possibly have been of especial relevance, the present instance

    quote:

    Benefits of being an excepted estate
    The key advantages include:

    a.. No need to prepare a full Inheritance Tax account (IHT400) in many >>> cases.

    b.. Reduced administrative burdens for the PR.

    c.. Fewer formal tax calculations and often a simpler path to obtaining a
    Grant (if required).

    :unquote

    https://www.kctrust.co.uk/help/what-is-an-excepted-estate

    So that Norman's observation

    It's very strange you did not mention it earlier if you were.

    Seems both very pertinent, on topic, and very "new".

    Unlike interminable and doubtlessly endlessly absorbing discussions
    of the technical aspects of telephone systems, which presumably
    are simply totally unavailable in any other place, online.


    Just to clarify, it was I who rejected a recent series of posts from Norman >> including, I think, the above.

    If it did contain anything new,

    It did

    en I think Norman should have edited
    and snipped

    It was an exchange between two posters; where Norman was being
    challenged throughout.

    The responsibility for snipping is not Norman's alone

    some of his dreary repetitive mocking remarks and got to the point more
    concisely.

    At a rough guess around 80% of the ,material posted in that thread would appear dreary and repetitive, to anyone not taking an active interest in it.

    The understandable wish to get the last word in any discussion tends to prolong the discussion beyond all reasonable limits and discourage
    anyone else from reading the latest posts. There is no easy way to
    curtail such discussions without offending someone.


    As to "repetitive mocking remarks" I can only assume you have chosen
    to overlook the tone of mocking condescension, and worse, to which
    Norman Wells has regularly been subjected, ever since Simon Parker's
    arrival on ULM.

    Fair point.
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  • From billy bookcase@billy@anon.com to uk.net.news.moderation on Thu Mar 19 13:38:15 2026
    From Newsgroup: uk.net.news.moderation


    "The Todal" <the_todal@icloud.com> wrote in message news:n21us7F4vkkU1@mid.individual.net...
    On 18/03/2026 10:48, billy bookcase wrote:
    "The Todal" <the_todal@icloud.com> wrote in message
    news:n1v95iFml3iU1@mid.individual.net...
    On 18/03/2026 09:13, billy bookcase wrote:
    Norman Wells has just had a post rejected, forming part
    of his long running exchange with Simon Parker; on account
    of its allegedly containing nothing new.

    The message is available for scrutiny on

    https://www.chiark.greenend.org.uk/~webstump/g.ulm/messages/nr-177375976824377.txt

    And while much of it wasn't in fact new, just Norman
    repeatedly questioning why HMRC should require detailed
    information on Estates where no IHT was due - they just
    do alright ?

    Or foolishly questioning the validity of patently genuine quotes

    At least one exchange, was nevertheless of particular interest

    quote:

    ............................................

    NW > Where no inheritance tax will be due, as with any estate that passes >>>>>>> entirely to a spouse, HMRC recognises that it is just make-work to >>>>>>> require pointless form filling and examination.? It therefore has a >>>>>>> simplified procedure for 'excepted estates' that does not require the >>>>>>> tedious and time-consuming formality of the IHT400 procedures.? The >>>>>>> estate value limit for that is ??3 million.

    Congratulations on your use of search engines and AI to discover >>>>>> "excepted estate" status.

    NW about which you clearly knew very little, especially in respect of >>>>> estates the size of the one we're considering.

    It's very strange you did not mention it earlier if you were.

    .................................................

    :unquote


    Which indeed is "new". Very "new" in fact.

    As indeed, in the whole course of this lengthy exchange, up
    until Norman's introducing such a possibility, was there any
    mention of 'excepted estates' at all. None.

    Which despite Simom Parker's protestations to the contrary
    in respect of the significance of excepted estate status,
    and hence his not mentioning it previously, could quite
    possibly have been of especial relevance, the present instance

    quote:

    Benefits of being an excepted estate
    The key advantages include:

    a.. No need to prepare a full Inheritance Tax account (IHT400) in many >>>> cases.

    b.. Reduced administrative burdens for the PR.

    c.. Fewer formal tax calculations and often a simpler path to obtaining
    a
    Grant (if required).

    :unquote

    https://www.kctrust.co.uk/help/what-is-an-excepted-estate

    So that Norman's observation

    It's very strange you did not mention it earlier if you were.

    Seems both very pertinent, on topic, and very "new".

    Unlike interminable and doubtlessly endlessly absorbing discussions
    of the technical aspects of telephone systems, which presumably
    are simply totally unavailable in any other place, online.


    Just to clarify, it was I who rejected a recent series of posts from Norman >>> including, I think, the above.

    If it did contain anything new,

    It did

    en I think Norman should have edited
    and snipped

    It was an exchange between two posters; where Norman was being
    challenged throughout.

    The responsibility for snipping is not Norman's alone

    some of his dreary repetitive mocking remarks and got to the point more
    concisely.

    At a rough guess around 80% of the ,material posted in that thread would
    appear dreary and repetitive, to anyone not taking an active interest in it.

    The understandable wish to get the last word in any discussion tends to prolong the discussion beyond all reasonable limits and discourage anyone else
    from reading the latest posts. There is no easy way to curtail such discussions without offending someone.

    As to "repetitive mocking remarks" I can only assume you have chosen
    to overlook the tone of mocking condescension, and worse, to which
    Norman Wells has regularly been subjected, ever since Simon Parker's
    arrival on ULM.

    Fair point.

    Your problems are clearly not at an end, unfortunately

    I think it best to leave matters there

    And thanks for the clear expositions, on the car crash thread.



    bb


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