• Recent rejection...

    From JNugent@JNugent73@mail.com to uk.net.news.moderation on Fri Jan 30 16:46:26 2026
    From Newsgroup: uk.net.news.moderation

    Three of my posts in the same thread - "Another tribunal decision about
    a trans woman in a female changing room" - have recently been moderated
    out. All of them for "having insufficient legal content", even though
    each of them was simply a question about something posted by another
    poster in the same thread.

    How can a question on what someone else has written (and which has
    passed moderation) be irrelevant or of any less legal relevance than the
    post to which it is a response?

    No. These censoring actions were performed because the *questions* were
    not liked.

    Here's the most recent:

    "Another tribunal decision about a trans woman in a female changing room"

    [There had been some significant snipping beforehand (not by me), as can easily be seen.]

    On 27/01/2026 03:06 pm, The Todal wrote:
    On 27/01/2026 11:58, JNugent wrote:
    On 27/01/2026 09:03 am, The Todal wrote:

    He made a very reasonable post, and it may be that the only
    organisations that want to finance this petty-minded litigation
    about trans rights tend to have a religious agenda.

    I'm not interested in that. I am curious as whether all Christians
    who oppose deliberate killing* and support life are to be classified
    as "pseudo-Christians".

    You aren't really asking a question, you're delivering a rebuke. The
    rebuke isn't deserved. It may be

    "may be"? Oh, right.

    Does that answer the question?

    that "Christian Concern" has extremist, controversial policies

    What is extremist about being opposed to abortion for birth control purposes?
    In what way is it controversial?
    In our lifetime and for centuries before that, the abortionists were
    the extremists.

    but that doesn't in any way reflect on the many
    Christians with mainstream beliefs,

    ...such as being against abortion for convenience.*

    [* Abortion in extremis to save the life of the mother - sorry,
    birthing person, was lawful before the Steele Act.]

    nor does it discredit all opposition
    to abortion. Those people whether religious or not who believe in
    conversion therapy (therapy to persuade homosexual people to become
    heterosexual) are, of course, batshit crazy and the cause of much
    unhappiness.

    I didn't address that particular issue ["conversion therapy", as you
    well know.

    And in answer to what you say, the imagined "rebuke" could easily be deflected by answering the question that *was* asked in the (quite
    obvious) negative.
    Why go round the houses when there's a shorter route?
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  • From billy bookcase@billy@anon.com to uk.net.news.moderation on Fri Jan 30 17:58:27 2026
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    "billy bookcase" <billy@anon.com> wrote in message news:10liqp8$29kpp$1@dont-email.me...

    "JNugent" <JNugent73@mail.com> wrote in message news:mu45j2Fgh2U1@mid.individual.net...

    Three of my posts in the same thread - "Another tribunal decision about a
    trans woman in a female changing room" - have recently been moderated out.

    I think you'll find that it's actually two.

    Just to clarify, the previous rejection to those, was 11 days ago on the
    19th.



    bb




    www.chiark.greenend.org.uk/ucgi/~webstump/l.ulm





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  • From JNugent@JNugent73@mail.com to uk.net.news.moderation on Fri Jan 30 18:02:05 2026
    From Newsgroup: uk.net.news.moderation

    On 30/01/2026 05:46 pm, billy bookcase wrote:
    "JNugent" <JNugent73@mail.com> wrote in message news:mu45j2Fgh2U1@mid.individual.net...

    Three of my posts in the same thread - "Another tribunal decision about a
    trans woman in a female changing room" - have recently been moderated out.

    I think you'll find that it's actually two.

    Oh, will I?

    Unless that is, you are also posting under the names of "Monster XL"
    or "Detox Patches".

    bb

    Three of my posts have recently been censored.

    Not two.

    19/01/26 16:33
    27/01/26 18:12
    27/01/26 18:18

    See? one, two, three!

    All in the thread:

    "Another tribunal decision about a trans woman in a female changing room"

    That wasn't so hard, was it?

    But if you're still having that difficulty, perhaps this quick search
    might help:

    <https://tinyurl.com/yv323377>

    HTH

    http://www.chiark.greenend.org.uk/ucgi/~webstump/l.ulm

    What's that supposed to show (still less prove)?
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  • From The Todal@the_todal@icloud.com to uk.net.news.moderation on Sat Jan 31 10:56:51 2026
    From Newsgroup: uk.net.news.moderation

    On 30/01/2026 16:46, JNugent wrote:
    Three of my posts in the same thread - "Another tribunal decision about
    a trans woman in a female changing room" - have recently been moderated
    out. All of them for "having insufficient legal content", even though
    each of them was simply a question about something posted by another
    poster in the same thread.

    How can a question on what someone else has written (and which has
    passed moderation) be irrelevant or of any less legal relevance than the post to which it is a response?

    No. These censoring actions were performed because the *questions* were
    not liked.
    Your posts were rejected because they were tedious, added nothing
    useful, illogical and unworthy of publication.

    Normally you can do better.
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  • From JNugent@JNugent73@mail.com to uk.net.news.moderation on Sat Jan 31 12:30:15 2026
    From Newsgroup: uk.net.news.moderation

    On 30/01/2026 08:12 pm, billy bookcase wrote:
    "JNugent" <JNugent73@mail.com> wrote in message news:mu4a3bF17g2U2@mid.individual.net...
    On 30/01/2026 05:58 pm, billy bookcase wrote:

    "billy bookcase" <billy@anon.com> wrote:
    "JNugent" <JNugent73@mail.com> wrote:

    Three of my posts in the same thread - "Another tribunal decision about a >>>>> trans woman in a female changing room" - have recently been moderated out.

    I think you'll find that it's actually two.

    Just to clarify, the previous rejection to those, was 11 days ago on the >>> 19th.

    ...and?

    That was the one where you attempted to waste everybody's time by asking
    one of your typically stupid questions;

    In that case by pretending not to recognise the difference between a hypothetical and a factual assertion.

    And thus needing someone to explain it all to you..

    Thus in answer to the Todal's original assertion

    .....................

    "There may also be workplaces where spiteful women feel
    they must object to the presence of trans women

    [...]

    I intended "spiteful" to encompass those women who do not feel in the
    least uncomfortable undressing in front of people who have a male-
    looking body,"

    .........................


    You thought you'd waste everybody's time by asking the most
    dumb-assed question imaginable. Thus

    To take up your earlier theme, how many of those can you name?"

    As fairly obviously as Todal was only in a position to suggest there
    *may* be such workplaces and such spiteful women, rather than that
    there actually *were* any, he was in no position to name any.
    Was he ?

    Although doubtless given the opportunity you'd have attempted to spin
    out that sub thread, with a few more pointless posts.

    While as to your original complaint

    ....
    That's distinctly odd. I would assume that any person with any
    pretensions to Christianity would oppose the death penalty.

    Pretentions?

    What are you talking about?

    As if you didn't know

    It's all very simple. Anyone purporting to be a Christian, thereby acknowledging an all-knowing all-powerful God, more especially in
    the light of Paul's reference to Christ's specific teaching "Vengeance
    is mine said the Lord" would realise that executing people is
    usurping God's power.

    If you truly believe in all seeing God, who can see into men's hearts,
    and who will punish their sins accordingly on the day of
    Judgement, then you and your redneck Christian chums wouldn't be
    demanding that they be dragged screaming to the electric chair, the gas chamber, or the gurney; so that you lot could exact your revenge.

    Because the fact is chum, you and your redneck "Christian" mates
    don't actually trust *Your God* to do the *right thing* at all,
    do you ?

    Your secretly suspect that being all knowing as he is, in some
    cases *Your God's* Judgement will be more like those bleeding
    hearts psychiatric reports, saying they aren't really all that guilty
    at all. Thus denying you the chance to watch them being strapped
    into the electric chair

    Because, as with almost everything else in the USA, both hypocrisy
    and stupidity are being produced on a truly industrial scale.

    Dear me. That is exceptionally ridiculous, even for you.
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  • From JNugent@JNugent73@mail.com to uk.net.news.moderation on Sat Jan 31 12:31:56 2026
    From Newsgroup: uk.net.news.moderation

    On 31/01/2026 10:56 am, The Todal wrote:
    On 30/01/2026 16:46, JNugent wrote:
    Three of my posts in the same thread - "Another tribunal decision
    about a trans woman in a female changing room" - have recently been
    moderated out. All of them for "having insufficient legal content",
    even though each of them was simply a question about something posted
    by another poster in the same thread.

    How can a question on what someone else has written (and which has
    passed moderation) be irrelevant or of any less legal relevance than
    the post to which it is a response?

    No. These censoring actions were performed because the *questions*
    were not liked.

    Your posts were rejected because they were tedious, added nothing
    useful, illogical and unworthy of publication.

    Normally you can do better.

    They were QUESTIONS.

    Apparently, questions are "tedious" if they cannot easily be answered in
    a way that is consistent with what is being questioned.



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  • From billy bookcase@billy@anon.com to uk.net.news.moderation on Sun Feb 1 10:02:06 2026
    From Newsgroup: uk.net.news.moderation


    "JNugent" <JNugent73@mail.com> wrote in message news:mu6b1sFbgmdU2@mid.individual.net...
    On 31/01/2026 10:56 am, The Todal wrote:
    On 30/01/2026 16:46, JNugent wrote:
    Three of my posts in the same thread - "Another tribunal decision about a >>> trans woman in a female changing room" - have recently been moderated out. >>> All of them for "having insufficient legal content", even though each of >>> them was simply a question about something posted by another poster in the >>> same thread.

    How can a question on what someone else has written (and which has passed >>> moderation) be irrelevant or of any less legal relevance than the post to >>> which it is a response?

    No. These censoring actions were performed because the *questions* were not
    liked.

    Your posts were rejected because they were tedious, added nothing useful, >> illogical and unworthy of publication.

    Normally you can do better.

    They were QUESTIONS.

    Right !

    As if the easiest way of wasting people's time isn't to ask them
    irrelevant questions..

    And just so as to emphasise your point, you've even put it in
    capital letters !


    bb


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  • From Pancho@Pancho.Jones@protonmail.com to uk.net.news.moderation on Sun Feb 1 11:02:57 2026
    From Newsgroup: uk.net.news.moderation

    On 1/30/26 16:46, JNugent wrote:
    Three of my posts in the same thread - "Another tribunal decision about
    a trans woman in a female changing room" - have recently been moderated
    out. All of them for "having insufficient legal content", even though
    each of them was simply a question about something posted by another
    poster in the same thread.

    How can a question on what someone else has written (and which has
    passed moderation) be irrelevant or of any less legal relevance than the post to which it is a response?

    No. These censoring actions were performed because the *questions* were
    not liked.


    Yes. I just read the thread, and it appeared to me that Adams statement:

    ---
    "Christian Concern", an extremist
    pseudo-Christian organization that also defends conversion therapy and
    opposes abortion and assisted suicide.
    ---

    does suggest, to me at least, that "supporting conversion therapy and
    opposes abortion and assisted suicide" are views incompatible with being
    a "real" Christian.

    Given opposition to abortion and suicide are traditionally canonical
    Christian views, this is very surprising, something that should be
    queried, to give Adam a chance to clarify.

    Todal's response, that you were rebuking Adam, suggests that he thinks
    Adam's remarks were unsupportable, but that it is rude for you to point
    this out. In effect, ulm should be a safe space for people to say dumb
    shit, as long as he approves of it.



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  • From billy bookcase@billy@anon.com to uk.net.news.moderation on Sun Feb 1 13:28:47 2026
    From Newsgroup: uk.net.news.moderation


    "JNugent" <JNugent73@mail.com> wrote in message news:mu6aunFbgmdU1@mid.individual.net...
    On 30/01/2026 08:12 pm, billy bookcase wrote:
    "JNugent" <JNugent73@mail.com> wrote in message
    news:mu4a3bF17g2U2@mid.individual.net...
    On 30/01/2026 05:58 pm, billy bookcase wrote:

    "billy bookcase" <billy@anon.com> wrote:
    "JNugent" <JNugent73@mail.com> wrote:

    Three of my posts in the same thread - "Another tribunal decision about a
    trans woman in a female changing room" - have recently been moderated >>>>>> out.

    I think you'll find that it's actually two.

    Just to clarify, the previous rejection to those, was 11 days ago on the >>>> 19th.

    ...and?

    That was the one where you attempted to waste everybody's time by asking
    one of your typically stupid questions;

    In that case by pretending not to recognise the difference between a
    hypothetical and a factual assertion.

    And thus needing someone to explain it all to you..

    Thus in answer to the Todal's original assertion

    .....................

    "There may also be workplaces where spiteful women feel
    they must object to the presence of trans women

    [...]

    I intended "spiteful" to encompass those women who do not feel in the
    least uncomfortable undressing in front of people who have a male-
    looking body,"

    .........................


    You thought you'd waste everybody's time by asking the most
    dumb-assed question imaginable. Thus

    To take up your earlier theme, how many of those can you name?"

    As fairly obviously as Todal was only in a position to suggest there
    *may* be such workplaces and such spiteful women, rather than that
    there actually *were* any, he was in no position to name any.
    Was he ?

    Although doubtless given the opportunity you'd have attempted to spin
    out that sub thread, with a few more pointless posts.

    While as to your original complaint

    ....
    That's distinctly odd. I would assume that any person with any
    pretensions to Christianity would oppose the death penalty.

    Pretentions?

    What are you talking about?

    As if you didn't know

    It's all very simple. Anyone purporting to be a Christian, thereby
    acknowledging an all-knowing all-powerful God, more especially in
    the light of Paul's reference to Christ's specific teaching "Vengeance
    is mine said the Lord" would realise that executing people is
    usurping God's power.

    If you truly believe in all seeing God, who can see into men's hearts,
    and who will punish their sins accordingly on the day of
    Judgement, then you and your redneck Christian chums wouldn't be
    demanding that they be dragged screaming to the electric chair, the gas
    chamber, or the gurney; so that you lot could exact your revenge.

    Because the fact is chum, you and your redneck "Christian" mates
    don't actually trust *Your God* to do the *right thing* at all,
    do you ?

    Your secretly suspect that being all knowing as he is, in some
    cases *Your God's* Judgement will be more like those bleeding
    hearts psychiatric reports, saying they aren't really all that guilty
    at all. Thus denying you the chance to watch them being strapped
    into the electric chair

    Because, as with almost everything else in the USA, both hypocrisy
    and stupidity are being produced on a truly industrial scale.

    Dear me. That is exceptionally ridiculous, even for you.

    So no answer to the substantive point, I see.

    But then of course there wouldn't be

    Given your clearly consider yourself superior to the god you claim to worship.

    Along with all your fellow rednecks.

    Although at least that explains the frequent trips to the US. Standing cheering outside the prison, with your placards.



    bb



    .


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  • From billy bookcase@billy@anon.com to uk.net.news.moderation on Sun Feb 1 14:28:26 2026
    From Newsgroup: uk.net.news.moderation


    "Pancho" <Pancho.Jones@protonmail.com> wrote in message news:10lnbt3$3li92$1@dont-email.me...

    Todal's response, that you were rebuking Adam, suggests that he thinks Adam's remarks were unsupportable, but that it is rude for you to point this out. In effect, ulm should be a safe space for people to say dumb shit, as long as he approves of it.

    I don't myself think Todal is in need of any lessons from a self-proclaimed apologist for both the Post Office, and for Talcum Powder Manufacturers.

    As to why Todal initiated the Talcum Powder thread, a question which
    seemed to exercise you over much on ULM, one can only imagine it was
    so as to stimulate discussion; an essential element on NewsGroups
    I hope you'll agree. And one which, in this instance, you made full
    use of yourself.

    Perhaps if you could introduce some topics of your own to discuss on
    the group you wouldn't need to parasitise so much on others. While the
    exact same applies, it almost goes with out saying, to the poster you
    are currently seeking to defend.

    So that's the Post Office, then Talcum Powder Manufacturers, and now
    JNugent.



    bb












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  • From JNugent@JNugent73@mail.com to uk.net.news.moderation on Sun Feb 1 15:54:15 2026
    From Newsgroup: uk.net.news.moderation

    On 01/02/2026 11:02 am, Pancho wrote:

    On 1/30/26 16:46, JNugent wrote:

    Three of my posts in the same thread - "Another tribunal decision
    about a trans woman in a female changing room" - have recently been
    moderated out. All of them for "having insufficient legal content",
    even though each of them was simply a question about something posted
    by another poster in the same thread.

    How can a question on what someone else has written (and which has
    passed moderation) be irrelevant or of any less legal relevance than
    the post to which it is a response?

    No. These censoring actions were performed because the *questions*
    were not liked.

    Yes. I just read the thread, and it appeared to me that Adams statement:

    ---
    -a"Christian Concern", an extremist
    pseudo-Christian organization that also defends conversion therapy and opposes abortion and assisted suicide.
    ---

    does suggest, to me at least, that "supporting conversion therapy and opposes abortion and assisted suicide" are views incompatible with being
    a "real" Christian.

    Given opposition to abortion and suicide are traditionally canonical Christian views, this is very surprising, something that should be
    queried, to give Adam a chance to clarify.

    Todal's response, that you were rebuking Adam, suggests that he thinks Adam's remarks were unsupportable, but that it is rude for you to point
    this out. In effect, ulm should be a safe space for people to say dumb
    shit, as long as he approves of it.

    I hadn't thought of it in quite that way, but that does seem logical.
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  • From JNugent@JNugent73@mail.com to uk.net.news.moderation on Sun Feb 1 15:56:26 2026
    From Newsgroup: uk.net.news.moderation

    On 01/02/2026 01:28 pm, billy bookcase wrote:
    "JNugent" <JNugent73@mail.com> wrote in message news:mu6aunFbgmdU1@mid.individual.net...
    On 30/01/2026 08:12 pm, billy bookcase wrote:
    "JNugent" <JNugent73@mail.com> wrote in message
    news:mu4a3bF17g2U2@mid.individual.net...
    On 30/01/2026 05:58 pm, billy bookcase wrote:

    "billy bookcase" <billy@anon.com> wrote:
    "JNugent" <JNugent73@mail.com> wrote:

    Three of my posts in the same thread - "Another tribunal decision about a
    trans woman in a female changing room" - have recently been moderated >>>>>>> out.

    I think you'll find that it's actually two.

    Just to clarify, the previous rejection to those, was 11 days ago on the >>>>> 19th.

    ...and?

    That was the one where you attempted to waste everybody's time by asking >>> one of your typically stupid questions;

    In that case by pretending not to recognise the difference between a
    hypothetical and a factual assertion.

    And thus needing someone to explain it all to you..

    Thus in answer to the Todal's original assertion

    .....................

    "There may also be workplaces where spiteful women feel
    they must object to the presence of trans women

    [...]

    I intended "spiteful" to encompass those women who do not feel in the
    least uncomfortable undressing in front of people who have a male-
    looking body,"

    .........................


    You thought you'd waste everybody's time by asking the most
    dumb-assed question imaginable. Thus

    To take up your earlier theme, how many of those can you name?"

    As fairly obviously as Todal was only in a position to suggest there
    *may* be such workplaces and such spiteful women, rather than that
    there actually *were* any, he was in no position to name any.
    Was he ?

    Although doubtless given the opportunity you'd have attempted to spin
    out that sub thread, with a few more pointless posts.

    While as to your original complaint

    ....
    That's distinctly odd. I would assume that any person with any
    pretensions to Christianity would oppose the death penalty.

    Pretentions?

    What are you talking about?

    As if you didn't know

    It's all very simple. Anyone purporting to be a Christian, thereby
    acknowledging an all-knowing all-powerful God, more especially in
    the light of Paul's reference to Christ's specific teaching "Vengeance
    is mine said the Lord" would realise that executing people is
    usurping God's power.

    If you truly believe in all seeing God, who can see into men's hearts,
    and who will punish their sins accordingly on the day of
    Judgement, then you and your redneck Christian chums wouldn't be
    demanding that they be dragged screaming to the electric chair, the gas
    chamber, or the gurney; so that you lot could exact your revenge.

    Because the fact is chum, you and your redneck "Christian" mates
    don't actually trust *Your God* to do the *right thing* at all,
    do you ?

    Your secretly suspect that being all knowing as he is, in some
    cases *Your God's* Judgement will be more like those bleeding
    hearts psychiatric reports, saying they aren't really all that guilty
    at all. Thus denying you the chance to watch them being strapped
    into the electric chair

    Because, as with almost everything else in the USA, both hypocrisy
    and stupidity are being produced on a truly industrial scale.

    Dear me. That is exceptionally ridiculous, even for you.

    So no answer to the substantive point, I see.

    But then of course there wouldn't be

    Given your clearly consider yourself superior to the god you claim to worship.

    Along with all your fellow rednecks.

    Although at least that explains the frequent trips to the US. Standing cheering
    outside the prison, with your placards.
    Your usual meandering, randomised and wide-ranging stream of
    consciousness is wearing a bit thin.

    Say something half-way sensible (for a change) and you might get a response.


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  • From The Todal@the_todal@icloud.com to uk.net.news.moderation on Mon Feb 2 10:08:47 2026
    From Newsgroup: uk.net.news.moderation

    On 01/02/2026 11:02, Pancho wrote:
    On 1/30/26 16:46, JNugent wrote:
    Three of my posts in the same thread - "Another tribunal decision
    about a trans woman in a female changing room" - have recently been
    moderated out. All of them for "having insufficient legal content",
    even though each of them was simply a question about something posted
    by another poster in the same thread.

    How can a question on what someone else has written (and which has
    passed moderation) be irrelevant or of any less legal relevance than
    the post to which it is a response?

    No. These censoring actions were performed because the *questions*
    were not liked.


    Yes. I just read the thread, and it appeared to me that Adams statement:

    ---
    -a"Christian Concern", an extremist
    pseudo-Christian organization that also defends conversion therapy and opposes abortion and assisted suicide.
    ---

    does suggest, to me at least, that "supporting conversion therapy and opposes abortion and assisted suicide" are views incompatible with being
    a "real" Christian.

    It suggests nothing of the sort. A total logic fail on your part.

    There are plenty of loony churches in the USA that try to part gullible followers with their money, and some of them have views that would be unacceptable to most decent Christians in the UK.

    If you didn't know that, then ULM is not the best place to find remedial teaching for yourself.

    Moronic remarks dressed up as "legitimate" questions may indeed be
    rejected by the moderators from time to time.


    Given opposition to abortion and suicide are traditionally canonical Christian views, this is very surprising, something that should be
    queried, to give Adam a chance to clarify.

    Todal's response, that you were rebuking Adam, suggests that he thinks Adam's remarks were unsupportable, but that it is rude for you to point
    this out. In effect, ulm should be a safe space for people to say dumb
    shit, as long as he approves of it.




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  • From JNugent@JNugent73@mail.com to uk.net.news.moderation on Mon Feb 2 13:42:58 2026
    From Newsgroup: uk.net.news.moderation

    On 02/02/2026 10:08 am, The Todal wrote:

    On 01/02/2026 11:02, Pancho wrote:
    On 1/30/26 16:46, JNugent wrote:

    Three of my posts in the same thread - "Another tribunal decision
    about a trans woman in a female changing room" - have recently been
    moderated out. All of them for "having insufficient legal content",
    even though each of them was simply a question about something posted
    by another poster in the same thread.

    How can a question on what someone else has written (and which has
    passed moderation) be irrelevant or of any less legal relevance than
    the post to which it is a response?

    No. These censoring actions were performed because the *questions*
    were not liked.

    Yes. I just read the thread, and it appeared to me that Adams statement:

    ---
    -a-a"Christian Concern", an extremist
    pseudo-Christian organization that also defends conversion therapy and
    opposes abortion and assisted suicide.
    ---

    does suggest, to me at least, that "supporting conversion therapy and
    opposes abortion and assisted suicide" are views incompatible with
    being a "real" Christian.

    It suggests nothing of the sort. A total logic fail on your part.

    Not really.

    The text accuses "Christian Concern" of having views - including
    opposition to abortion and euthanasia - which are incompatible with Christianity.

    That can't be read two ways.

    There are plenty of loony churches in the USA that try to part gullible followers with their money, and some of them have views that would be unacceptable to most decent Christians in the UK.

    Does one have to be a member or supporter of one of those "churches" in
    the USA to be against abortion and/or euthanasia?

    In fact, isn't such a stance universal and quite unremarkable in the
    Catholic Church globally, for instance?

    If being against those two forms of killing were a mark of a "loony
    church in the USA", are you saying that the Catholic Church is one of those?

    NB: Once again, I make no remark upon "conversion therapy", something of
    which I am vaguely aware but have next to no knowledge.

    If you didn't know that, then ULM is not the best place to find remedial teaching for yourself.

    Moronic remarks dressed up as "legitimate" questions may indeed be
    rejected by the moderators from time to time.


    Given opposition to abortion and suicide are traditionally canonical
    Christian views, this is very surprising, something that should be
    queried, to give Adam a chance to clarify.

    Todal's response, that you were rebuking Adam, suggests that he thinks
    Adam's remarks were unsupportable, but that it is rude for you to
    point this out. In effect, ulm should be a safe space for people to
    say dumb shit, as long as he approves of it.

    Indeed. I was asking for clarification, as I have now done in asking
    Todal a question about the content of his immediately previous posting.
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  • From billy bookcase@billy@anon.com to uk.net.news.moderation on Mon Feb 2 14:01:09 2026
    From Newsgroup: uk.net.news.moderation


    "JNugent" <JNugent73@mail.com> wrote in message news:mu9bdaFqpraU2@mid.individual.net...
    On 01/02/2026 01:28 pm, billy bookcase wrote:
    "JNugent" <JNugent73@mail.com> wrote in message
    news:mu6aunFbgmdU1@mid.individual.net...
    On 30/01/2026 08:12 pm, billy bookcase wrote:
    "JNugent" <JNugent73@mail.com> wrote in message
    news:mu4a3bF17g2U2@mid.individual.net...
    On 30/01/2026 05:58 pm, billy bookcase wrote:

    "billy bookcase" <billy@anon.com> wrote:
    "JNugent" <JNugent73@mail.com> wrote:

    Three of my posts in the same thread - "Another tribunal decision about
    a
    trans woman in a female changing room" - have recently been moderated >>>>>>>> out.

    I think you'll find that it's actually two.

    Just to clarify, the previous rejection to those, was 11 days ago on the >>>>>> 19th.

    ...and?

    That was the one where you attempted to waste everybody's time by asking >>>> one of your typically stupid questions;

    In that case by pretending not to recognise the difference between a
    hypothetical and a factual assertion.

    And thus needing someone to explain it all to you..

    Thus in answer to the Todal's original assertion

    .....................

    "There may also be workplaces where spiteful women feel
    they must object to the presence of trans women

    [...]

    I intended "spiteful" to encompass those women who do not feel in the
    least uncomfortable undressing in front of people who have a male-
    looking body,"

    .........................


    You thought you'd waste everybody's time by asking the most
    dumb-assed question imaginable. Thus

    To take up your earlier theme, how many of those can you name?"

    As fairly obviously as Todal was only in a position to suggest there
    *may* be such workplaces and such spiteful women, rather than that
    there actually *were* any, he was in no position to name any.
    Was he ?

    Although doubtless given the opportunity you'd have attempted to spin
    out that sub thread, with a few more pointless posts.

    While as to your original complaint

    ....
    That's distinctly odd. I would assume that any person with any
    pretensions to Christianity would oppose the death penalty.

    Pretentions?

    What are you talking about?

    As if you didn't know

    It's all very simple. Anyone purporting to be a Christian, thereby
    acknowledging an all-knowing all-powerful God, more especially in
    the light of Paul's reference to Christ's specific teaching "Vengeance >>>> is mine said the Lord" would realise that executing people is
    usurping God's power.

    If you truly believe in all seeing God, who can see into men's hearts, >>>> and who will punish their sins accordingly on the day of
    Judgement, then you and your redneck Christian chums wouldn't be
    demanding that they be dragged screaming to the electric chair, the gas >>>> chamber, or the gurney; so that you lot could exact your revenge.

    Because the fact is chum, you and your redneck "Christian" mates
    don't actually trust *Your God* to do the *right thing* at all,
    do you ?

    Your secretly suspect that being all knowing as he is, in some
    cases *Your God's* Judgement will be more like those bleeding
    hearts psychiatric reports, saying they aren't really all that guilty
    at all. Thus denying you the chance to watch them being strapped
    into the electric chair

    Because, as with almost everything else in the USA, both hypocrisy
    and stupidity are being produced on a truly industrial scale.

    Dear me. That is exceptionally ridiculous, even for you.

    So no answer to the substantive point, I see.

    But then of course there wouldn't be

    Given your clearly consider yourself superior to the god you claim to
    worship.

    Along with all your fellow rednecks.

    Although at least that explains the frequent trips to the US. Standing
    cheering
    outside the prison, with your placards.
    Your usual meandering, randomised and wide-ranging stream of consciousness is
    wearing a bit thin.

    Say something half-way sensible (for a change) and you might get a response.

    Whatever made you think I wanted a response ?


    bb






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  • From billy bookcase@billy@anon.com to uk.net.news.moderation on Mon Feb 2 14:28:12 2026
    From Newsgroup: uk.net.news.moderation


    "JNugent" <JNugent73@mail.com> wrote in message news:mubphdF8np6U1@mid.individual.net...
    On 02/02/2026 02:01 pm, billy bookcase wrote:
    "JNugent" <JNugent73@mail.com> wrote in message
    news:mu9bdaFqpraU2@mid.individual.net...
    On 01/02/2026 01:28 pm, billy bookcase wrote:
    "JNugent" <JNugent73@mail.com> wrote in message
    news:mu6aunFbgmdU1@mid.individual.net...
    On 30/01/2026 08:12 pm, billy bookcase wrote:
    "JNugent" <JNugent73@mail.com> wrote in message
    news:mu4a3bF17g2U2@mid.individual.net...
    On 30/01/2026 05:58 pm, billy bookcase wrote:

    "billy bookcase" <billy@anon.com> wrote:
    "JNugent" <JNugent73@mail.com> wrote:

    Three of my posts in the same thread - "Another tribunal decision >>>>>>>>>> about
    a
    trans woman in a female changing room" - have recently been moderated
    out.

    I think you'll find that it's actually two.

    Just to clarify, the previous rejection to those, was 11 days ago on >>>>>>>> the
    19th.

    ...and?

    That was the one where you attempted to waste everybody's time by asking >>>>>> one of your typically stupid questions;

    In that case by pretending not to recognise the difference between a >>>>>> hypothetical and a factual assertion.

    And thus needing someone to explain it all to you..

    Thus in answer to the Todal's original assertion

    .....................

    "There may also be workplaces where spiteful women feel
    they must object to the presence of trans women

    [...]

    I intended "spiteful" to encompass those women who do not feel in the >>>>>> least uncomfortable undressing in front of people who have a male- >>>>>> looking body,"

    .........................


    You thought you'd waste everybody's time by asking the most
    dumb-assed question imaginable. Thus

    To take up your earlier theme, how many of those can you name?"

    As fairly obviously as Todal was only in a position to suggest there >>>>>> *may* be such workplaces and such spiteful women, rather than that >>>>>> there actually *were* any, he was in no position to name any.
    Was he ?

    Although doubtless given the opportunity you'd have attempted to spin >>>>>> out that sub thread, with a few more pointless posts.

    While as to your original complaint

    ....
    That's distinctly odd. I would assume that any person with any >>>>>>>> pretensions to Christianity would oppose the death penalty.

    Pretentions?

    What are you talking about?

    As if you didn't know

    It's all very simple. Anyone purporting to be a Christian, thereby >>>>>> acknowledging an all-knowing all-powerful God, more especially in >>>>>> the light of Paul's reference to Christ's specific teaching "Vengeance >>>>>> is mine said the Lord" would realise that executing people is
    usurping God's power.

    If you truly believe in all seeing God, who can see into men's hearts, >>>>>> and who will punish their sins accordingly on the day of
    Judgement, then you and your redneck Christian chums wouldn't be
    demanding that they be dragged screaming to the electric chair, the gas >>>>>> chamber, or the gurney; so that you lot could exact your revenge.

    Because the fact is chum, you and your redneck "Christian" mates
    don't actually trust *Your God* to do the *right thing* at all,
    do you ?

    Your secretly suspect that being all knowing as he is, in some
    cases *Your God's* Judgement will be more like those bleeding
    hearts psychiatric reports, saying they aren't really all that guilty >>>>>> at all. Thus denying you the chance to watch them being strapped
    into the electric chair

    Because, as with almost everything else in the USA, both hypocrisy >>>>>> and stupidity are being produced on a truly industrial scale.

    Dear me. That is exceptionally ridiculous, even for you.

    So no answer to the substantive point, I see.

    But then of course there wouldn't be

    Given your clearly consider yourself superior to the god you claim to
    worship.

    Along with all your fellow rednecks.

    Although at least that explains the frequent trips to the US. Standing >>>> cheering
    outside the prison, with your placards.
    Your usual meandering, randomised and wide-ranging stream of consciousness >>> is
    wearing a bit thin.

    Say something half-way sensible (for a change) and you might get a response.

    Whatever made you think I wanted a response ?

    You write five sides of A4 per post, frequently (if not usually) diverting onto subjects never under discussion and full of ad-homs, purely for fun, do you?

    Nobody is obliged to read use UseNet Posts

    Neither are they obliged to answer foolish questions.


    bb







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  • From JNugent@JNugent73@mail.com to uk.net.news.moderation on Mon Feb 2 23:31:52 2026
    From Newsgroup: uk.net.news.moderation

    On 02/02/2026 02:28 pm, billy bookcase wrote:
    "JNugent" <JNugent73@mail.com> wrote in message news:mubphdF8np6U1@mid.individual.net...
    On 02/02/2026 02:01 pm, billy bookcase wrote:
    "JNugent" <JNugent73@mail.com> wrote in message
    news:mu9bdaFqpraU2@mid.individual.net...
    On 01/02/2026 01:28 pm, billy bookcase wrote:
    "JNugent" <JNugent73@mail.com> wrote in message
    news:mu6aunFbgmdU1@mid.individual.net...
    On 30/01/2026 08:12 pm, billy bookcase wrote:
    "JNugent" <JNugent73@mail.com> wrote in message
    news:mu4a3bF17g2U2@mid.individual.net...
    On 30/01/2026 05:58 pm, billy bookcase wrote:

    "billy bookcase" <billy@anon.com> wrote:
    "JNugent" <JNugent73@mail.com> wrote:

    Three of my posts in the same thread - "Another tribunal decision >>>>>>>>>>> about
    a
    trans woman in a female changing room" - have recently been moderated
    out.

    I think you'll find that it's actually two.

    Just to clarify, the previous rejection to those, was 11 days ago on >>>>>>>>> the
    19th.

    ...and?

    That was the one where you attempted to waste everybody's time by asking
    one of your typically stupid questions;

    In that case by pretending not to recognise the difference between a >>>>>>> hypothetical and a factual assertion.

    And thus needing someone to explain it all to you..

    Thus in answer to the Todal's original assertion

    .....................

    "There may also be workplaces where spiteful women feel
    they must object to the presence of trans women

    [...]

    I intended "spiteful" to encompass those women who do not feel in the >>>>>>> least uncomfortable undressing in front of people who have a male- >>>>>>> looking body,"

    .........................


    You thought you'd waste everybody's time by asking the most
    dumb-assed question imaginable. Thus

    To take up your earlier theme, how many of those can you name?" >>>>>>>
    As fairly obviously as Todal was only in a position to suggest there >>>>>>> *may* be such workplaces and such spiteful women, rather than that >>>>>>> there actually *were* any, he was in no position to name any.
    Was he ?

    Although doubtless given the opportunity you'd have attempted to spin >>>>>>> out that sub thread, with a few more pointless posts.

    While as to your original complaint

    ....
    That's distinctly odd. I would assume that any person with any >>>>>>>>> pretensions to Christianity would oppose the death penalty.

    Pretentions?

    What are you talking about?

    As if you didn't know

    It's all very simple. Anyone purporting to be a Christian, thereby >>>>>>> acknowledging an all-knowing all-powerful God, more especially in >>>>>>> the light of Paul's reference to Christ's specific teaching "Vengeance >>>>>>> is mine said the Lord" would realise that executing people is
    usurping God's power.

    If you truly believe in all seeing God, who can see into men's hearts, >>>>>>> and who will punish their sins accordingly on the day of
    Judgement, then you and your redneck Christian chums wouldn't be >>>>>>> demanding that they be dragged screaming to the electric chair, the gas >>>>>>> chamber, or the gurney; so that you lot could exact your revenge. >>>>>>>
    Because the fact is chum, you and your redneck "Christian" mates >>>>>>> don't actually trust *Your God* to do the *right thing* at all, >>>>>>> do you ?

    Your secretly suspect that being all knowing as he is, in some
    cases *Your God's* Judgement will be more like those bleeding
    hearts psychiatric reports, saying they aren't really all that guilty >>>>>>> at all. Thus denying you the chance to watch them being strapped >>>>>>> into the electric chair

    Because, as with almost everything else in the USA, both hypocrisy >>>>>>> and stupidity are being produced on a truly industrial scale.

    Dear me. That is exceptionally ridiculous, even for you.

    So no answer to the substantive point, I see.

    But then of course there wouldn't be

    Given your clearly consider yourself superior to the god you claim to >>>>> worship.

    Along with all your fellow rednecks.

    Although at least that explains the frequent trips to the US. Standing >>>>> cheering
    outside the prison, with your placards.
    Your usual meandering, randomised and wide-ranging stream of consciousness >>>> is
    wearing a bit thin.

    Say something half-way sensible (for a change) and you might get a response.

    Whatever made you think I wanted a response ?

    You write five sides of A4 per post, frequently (if not usually) diverting >> onto subjects never under discussion and full of ad-homs, purely for fun, do >> you?

    Nobody is obliged to read use UseNet Posts

    Neither are they obliged to answer foolish questions...

    ...where "foolish questions" means cross-examination likely to make it necessary for the questioned to change tack, recant or launch an ad-him.
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  • From billy bookcase@billy@anon.com to uk.net.news.moderation on Tue Feb 3 11:07:06 2026
    From Newsgroup: uk.net.news.moderation


    "JNugent" <JNugent73@mail.com> wrote in message news:mucqf7Fe1f5U2@mid.individual.net...
    On 02/02/2026 02:28 pm, billy bookcase wrote:
    "JNugent" <JNugent73@mail.com> wrote in message
    news:mubphdF8np6U1@mid.individual.net...
    On 02/02/2026 02:01 pm, billy bookcase wrote:
    "JNugent" <JNugent73@mail.com> wrote in message
    news:mu9bdaFqpraU2@mid.individual.net...
    On 01/02/2026 01:28 pm, billy bookcase wrote:
    "JNugent" <JNugent73@mail.com> wrote in message
    news:mu6aunFbgmdU1@mid.individual.net...
    On 30/01/2026 08:12 pm, billy bookcase wrote:
    "JNugent" <JNugent73@mail.com> wrote in message
    news:mu4a3bF17g2U2@mid.individual.net...
    On 30/01/2026 05:58 pm, billy bookcase wrote:

    "billy bookcase" <billy@anon.com> wrote:
    "JNugent" <JNugent73@mail.com> wrote:

    Three of my posts in the same thread - "Another tribunal decision >>>>>>>>>>>> about
    a
    trans woman in a female changing room" - have recently been >>>>>>>>>>>> moderated
    out.

    I think you'll find that it's actually two.

    Just to clarify, the previous rejection to those, was 11 days ago on >>>>>>>>>> the
    19th.

    ...and?

    That was the one where you attempted to waste everybody's time by >>>>>>>> asking
    one of your typically stupid questions;

    In that case by pretending not to recognise the difference between a >>>>>>>> hypothetical and a factual assertion.

    And thus needing someone to explain it all to you..

    Thus in answer to the Todal's original assertion

    .....................

    "There may also be workplaces where spiteful women feel
    they must object to the presence of trans women

    [...]

    I intended "spiteful" to encompass those women who do not feel in the >>>>>>>> least uncomfortable undressing in front of people who have a male- >>>>>>>> looking body,"

    .........................


    You thought you'd waste everybody's time by asking the most
    dumb-assed question imaginable. Thus

    To take up your earlier theme, how many of those can you name?" >>>>>>>>
    As fairly obviously as Todal was only in a position to suggest there >>>>>>>> *may* be such workplaces and such spiteful women, rather than that >>>>>>>> there actually *were* any, he was in no position to name any.
    Was he ?

    Although doubtless given the opportunity you'd have attempted to spin >>>>>>>> out that sub thread, with a few more pointless posts.

    While as to your original complaint

    ....
    That's distinctly odd. I would assume that any person with any >>>>>>>>>> pretensions to Christianity would oppose the death penalty. >>>>>>>>>
    Pretentions?

    What are you talking about?

    As if you didn't know

    It's all very simple. Anyone purporting to be a Christian, thereby >>>>>>>> acknowledging an all-knowing all-powerful God, more especially in >>>>>>>> the light of Paul's reference to Christ's specific teaching "Vengeance >>>>>>>> is mine said the Lord" would realise that executing people is
    usurping God's power.

    If you truly believe in all seeing God, who can see into men's hearts, >>>>>>>> and who will punish their sins accordingly on the day of
    Judgement, then you and your redneck Christian chums wouldn't be >>>>>>>> demanding that they be dragged screaming to the electric chair, the gas
    chamber, or the gurney; so that you lot could exact your revenge. >>>>>>>>
    Because the fact is chum, you and your redneck "Christian" mates >>>>>>>> don't actually trust *Your God* to do the *right thing* at all, >>>>>>>> do you ?

    Your secretly suspect that being all knowing as he is, in some >>>>>>>> cases *Your God's* Judgement will be more like those bleeding
    hearts psychiatric reports, saying they aren't really all that guilty >>>>>>>> at all. Thus denying you the chance to watch them being strapped >>>>>>>> into the electric chair

    Because, as with almost everything else in the USA, both hypocrisy >>>>>>>> and stupidity are being produced on a truly industrial scale.

    Dear me. That is exceptionally ridiculous, even for you.

    So no answer to the substantive point, I see.

    But then of course there wouldn't be

    Given your clearly consider yourself superior to the god you claim to >>>>>> worship.

    Along with all your fellow rednecks.

    Although at least that explains the frequent trips to the US. Standing >>>>>> cheering
    outside the prison, with your placards.
    Your usual meandering, randomised and wide-ranging stream of consciousness
    is
    wearing a bit thin.

    Say something half-way sensible (for a change) and you might get a
    response.

    Whatever made you think I wanted a response ?

    You write five sides of A4 per post, frequently (if not usually) diverting >>> onto subjects never under discussion and full of ad-homs, purely for fun, do
    you?

    Nobody is obliged to read use UseNet Posts

    Neither are they obliged to answer foolish questions...

    ...where "foolish questions" means cross-examination likely to make it necessary for the questioned to change tack, recant or launch an ad-him.

    Your being reminded of your uniquivocal support for the barbaric
    practice of capital punishment, does not consitute an ad-hominem
    argument.


    bb



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  • From Spike@aero.spike@mail.com to uk.net.news.moderation on Tue Feb 3 11:16:53 2026
    From Newsgroup: uk.net.news.moderation

    JNugent <JNugent73@mail.com> wrote:
    On 02/02/2026 02:28 pm, billy bookcase wrote:
    "JNugent" <JNugent73@mail.com> wrote in message
    news:mubphdF8np6U1@mid.individual.net...

    [rCa]

    You write five sides of A4 per post, frequently (if not usually) diverting >>> onto subjects never under discussion and full of ad-homs, purely for fun, do
    you?

    Nobody is obliged to read use UseNet Posts

    Neither are they obliged to answer foolish questions...

    ...where "foolish questions" means cross-examination likely to make it necessary for the questioned to change tack, recant or launch an [ad-hom].

    That seems spot on to me.
    --
    Spike
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  • From billy bookcase@billy@anon.com to uk.net.news.moderation on Tue Feb 3 12:43:26 2026
    From Newsgroup: uk.net.news.moderation


    "Spike" <aero.spike@mail.com> wrote in message news:mue3p5FkhogU1@mid.individual.net...
    JNugent <JNugent73@mail.com> wrote:
    On 02/02/2026 02:28 pm, billy bookcase wrote:
    "JNugent" <JNugent73@mail.com> wrote in message
    news:mubphdF8np6U1@mid.individual.net...

    [.]

    You write five sides of A4 per post, frequently (if not usually) diverting >>>> onto subjects never under discussion and full of ad-homs, purely for fun, >>>> do
    you?

    Nobody is obliged to read use UseNet Posts

    Neither are they obliged to answer foolish questions...

    ...where "foolish questions" means cross-examination likely to make it
    necessary for the questioned to change tack, recant or launch an [ad-hom].

    That seems spot on to me.

    So that's JNugent KC,leading Spike.

    The "Dream Team"



    bb







    --
    Spike


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  • From JNugent@JNugent73@mail.com to uk.net.news.moderation on Tue Feb 3 14:54:49 2026
    From Newsgroup: uk.net.news.moderation

    On 03/02/2026 11:16 am, Spike wrote:

    JNugent <JNugent73@mail.com> wrote:
    On 02/02/2026 02:28 pm, billy bookcase wrote:
    "JNugent" <JNugent73@mail.com> wrote in message

    [rCa]

    You write five sides of A4 per post, frequently (if not usually) diverting >>>> onto subjects never under discussion and full of ad-homs, purely for fun, do
    you?

    Nobody is obliged to read use UseNet Posts
    Neither are they obliged to answer foolish questions...

    ...where "foolish questions" means cross-examination likely to make it
    necessary for the questioned to change tack, recant or launch an [ad-hom].

    That seems spot on to me.

    Of course. I used to do it for a living (when I was working and before I became a Time Lord).
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  • From billy bookcase@billy@anon.com to uk.net.news.moderation on Tue Feb 3 18:20:13 2026
    From Newsgroup: uk.net.news.moderation


    "JNugent" <JNugent73@mail.com> wrote in message news:mueghoFmjchU2@mid.individual.net...
    On 03/02/2026 11:16 am, Spike wrote:

    JNugent <JNugent73@mail.com> wrote:
    On 02/02/2026 02:28 pm, billy bookcase wrote:
    "JNugent" <JNugent73@mail.com> wrote in message

    [.]

    You write five sides of A4 per post, frequently (if not usually) diverting
    onto subjects never under discussion and full of ad-homs, purely for fun,
    do
    you?

    Nobody is obliged to read use UseNet Posts
    Neither are they obliged to answer foolish questions...

    ...where "foolish questions" means cross-examination likely to make it
    necessary for the questioned to change tack, recant or launch an [ad-hom]. >>
    That seems spot on to me.

    Of course. I used to do it for a living

    "And have you done any work in the last week" ?

    And did you used to climb over people's garden fences
    and stare in their windows as well ?



    bb




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