"The Face of Evil" sees The Doctor arrive on a strange planet
and quite literally stumble upon two tribes of people with a god
complex... only to discover that it's his own fault. He left a
computer running, popped off on his travels, and accidentally
founded a religion in his absence... as one does.
With no quarries to run around in, we get a typical BBC interior
set design, this time - Number 43: Alien Jungle. A jungle set
that looks less "alien world" and more like an overcommitted
school play area with ferns.
The premise of this story is quite interesting; a distant planet
where two factions, the superstitious "Sevateem" and the
technocratic "Tesh" are locked in a cultural stalemate. Both
unknowingly shaped by a deranged computer called Xoanon. The
twist, of course, is that Xoanon didn't start deranged. It was
'improved' by the Doctor on a previous visit!
The performances from Tom Baker and Louise Jameson do a lot of
the heavy lifting in this story. Tom is magnetic, operating at
full grin and glare capacity as he goes from being amused and
playful, to irritated and shaken once realises he's effectively
become a mythological villain in someone else's story. Whilst
Louise Jameson starts off on a good foot as we realise, once
Leela starts killing people with her Janis thorns, that she's no
Sarah Jane Smith!
There's a tinge of responsibility here that "Doctor Who" doesn't
always dwell on... The Doctor isn't just fixing a problem on
another world - he's correcting his own mistake. (I wonder how
many more mistakes he's left behind him on his travels?!) In the
end The Doctor manages to solves this strange IT problem with
nothing but charm, a bag of jelly babies and the power of
persuasion... "You are not me, you are Xoanon".
We'll have to bear that in mind for the future should we ever
encounter a schizophrenic computer at war with itself!
Overall I think "The Face of Evil" is another really strong
story that showcases Tom Baker at his scarf-flailing best...
which in that era was pretty much what "Doctor Who" was all
about. For me, it merits an 8.5/10 rating.
In article <xn0poed4w47hlv001@post.eweka.nl>,
Blueshirt <blueshirt@indigo.news> wrote:
"The Face of Evil" sees The Doctor arrive on a strange planet
and quite literally stumble upon two tribes of people with a god
complex... only to discover that it's his own fault. He left a
computer running, popped off on his travels, and accidentally
founded a religion in his absence... as one does.
With no quarries to run around in, we get a typical BBC interior
set design, this time - Number 43: Alien Jungle. A jungle set
that looks less "alien world" and more like an overcommitted
school play area with ferns.
The premise of this story is quite interesting; a distant planet
where two factions, the superstitious "Sevateem" and the
technocratic "Tesh" are locked in a cultural stalemate. Both
unknowingly shaped by a deranged computer called Xoanon. The
twist, of course, is that Xoanon didn't start deranged. It was
'improved' by the Doctor on a previous visit!
The performances from Tom Baker and Louise Jameson do a lot of
the heavy lifting in this story. Tom is magnetic, operating at
full grin and glare capacity as he goes from being amused and
playful, to irritated and shaken once realises he's effectively
become a mythological villain in someone else's story. Whilst
Louise Jameson starts off on a good foot as we realise, once
Leela starts killing people with her Janis thorns, that she's no
Sarah Jane Smith!
There's a tinge of responsibility here that "Doctor Who" doesn't
always dwell on... The Doctor isn't just fixing a problem on
another world - he's correcting his own mistake. (I wonder how
many more mistakes he's left behind him on his travels?!) In the
end The Doctor manages to solves this strange IT problem with
nothing but charm, a bag of jelly babies and the power of
persuasion... "You are not me, you are Xoanon".
We'll have to bear that in mind for the future should we ever
encounter a schizophrenic computer at war with itself!
Overall I think "The Face of Evil" is another really strong
story that showcases Tom Baker at his scarf-flailing best...
which in that era was pretty much what "Doctor Who" was all
about. For me, it merits an 8.5/10 rating.
9/10 for me.
I'll go with 9/10 as well.
I like to leave room at the top for the true masterpieces,
Verily, in article <10rdbmh$30pr$1@gallifrey.nk.ca>, did >doctor@doctor.nl2k.ab.ca deliver unto us this message:
In article <xn0poed4w47hlv001@post.eweka.nl>,
Blueshirt <blueshirt@indigo.news> wrote:
"The Face of Evil" sees The Doctor arrive on a strange planet
and quite literally stumble upon two tribes of people with a god
complex... only to discover that it's his own fault. He left a
computer running, popped off on his travels, and accidentally
founded a religion in his absence... as one does.
With no quarries to run around in, we get a typical BBC interior
set design, this time - Number 43: Alien Jungle. A jungle set
that looks less "alien world" and more like an overcommitted
school play area with ferns.
The premise of this story is quite interesting; a distant planet
where two factions, the superstitious "Sevateem" and the
technocratic "Tesh" are locked in a cultural stalemate. Both
unknowingly shaped by a deranged computer called Xoanon. The
twist, of course, is that Xoanon didn't start deranged. It was
'improved' by the Doctor on a previous visit!
The performances from Tom Baker and Louise Jameson do a lot of
the heavy lifting in this story. Tom is magnetic, operating at
full grin and glare capacity as he goes from being amused and
playful, to irritated and shaken once realises he's effectively
become a mythological villain in someone else's story. Whilst
Louise Jameson starts off on a good foot as we realise, once
Leela starts killing people with her Janis thorns, that she's no
Sarah Jane Smith!
There's a tinge of responsibility here that "Doctor Who" doesn't
always dwell on... The Doctor isn't just fixing a problem on
another world - he's correcting his own mistake. (I wonder how
many more mistakes he's left behind him on his travels?!) In the
end The Doctor manages to solves this strange IT problem with
nothing but charm, a bag of jelly babies and the power of
persuasion... "You are not me, you are Xoanon".
We'll have to bear that in mind for the future should we ever
encounter a schizophrenic computer at war with itself!
Overall I think "The Face of Evil" is another really strong
story that showcases Tom Baker at his scarf-flailing best...
which in that era was pretty much what "Doctor Who" was all
about. For me, it merits an 8.5/10 rating.
9/10 for me.
I'll go with 9/10 as well. I like to leave room at the top for the true >masterpieces, but "The Face of Evil" is great.
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Solar System - Milky Way - Local Group
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The True Melissa wrote:
I'll go with 9/10 as well.
I like to leave room at the top for the true masterpieces,
Indeed.
And just as well... as there's two of them coming up in the
next two weeks! :)
"The Face of Evil" sees The Doctor arrive on a strange planet
and quite literally stumble upon two tribes of people with a god
complex... only to discover that it's his own fault. He left a
computer running, popped off on his travels, and accidentally
founded a religion in his absence... as one does.
With no quarries to run around in, we get a typical BBC interior
set design, this time - Number 43: Alien Jungle. A jungle set
that looks less "alien world" and more like an overcommitted
school play area with ferns.
The premise of this story is quite interesting; a distant planet
where two factions, the superstitious "Sevateem" and the
technocratic "Tesh" are locked in a cultural stalemate. Both
unknowingly shaped by a deranged computer called Xoanon. The
twist, of course, is that Xoanon didn't start deranged. It was
'improved' by the Doctor on a previous visit!
The performances from Tom Baker and Louise Jameson do a lot of
the heavy lifting in this story. Tom is magnetic, operating at
full grin and glare capacity as he goes from being amused and
playful, to irritated and shaken once realises he's effectively
become a mythological villain in someone else's story. Whilst
Louise Jameson starts off on a good foot as we realise, once
Leela starts killing people with her Janis thorns, that she's no
Sarah Jane Smith!
There's a tinge of responsibility here that "Doctor Who" doesn't
always dwell on... The Doctor isn't just fixing a problem on
another world - he's correcting his own mistake. (I wonder how
many more mistakes he's left behind him on his travels?!) In the
end The Doctor manages to solves this strange IT problem with
nothing but charm, a bag of jelly babies and the power of
persuasion... "You are not me, you are Xoanon".
We'll have to bear that in mind for the future should we ever
encounter a schizophrenic computer at war with itself!
Overall I think "The Face of Evil" is another really strong
story that showcases Tom Baker at his scarf-flailing best...
which in that era was pretty much what "Doctor Who" was all
about. For me, it merits an 8.5/10 rating.
On 11/04/2026 10:48, Blueshirt wrote:
"The Face of Evil" sees The Doctor arrive on a strange planet
and quite literally stumble upon two tribes of people with a god
complex... only to discover that it's his own fault. He left a
computer running, popped off on his travels, and accidentally
founded a religion in his absence... as one does.
With no quarries to run around in, we get a typical BBC interior
set design, this time - Number 43: Alien Jungle. A jungle set
that looks less "alien world" and more like an overcommitted
school play area with ferns.
The premise of this story is quite interesting; a distant planet
where two factions, the superstitious "Sevateem" and the
technocratic "Tesh" are locked in a cultural stalemate. Both
unknowingly shaped by a deranged computer called Xoanon. The
twist, of course, is that Xoanon didn't start deranged. It was
'improved' by the Doctor on a previous visit!
It's more or less the same premise as State of Decay except that didn't
have Xoanon and that's what makes this story better.
The performances from Tom Baker and Louise Jameson do a lot of
the heavy lifting in this story. Tom is magnetic, operating at
full grin and glare capacity as he goes from being amused and
playful, to irritated and shaken once realises he's effectively
become a mythological villain in someone else's story. Whilst
Louise Jameson starts off on a good foot as we realise, once
Leela starts killing people with her Janis thorns, that she's no
Sarah Jane Smith!
There's a tinge of responsibility here that "Doctor Who" doesn't
always dwell on... The Doctor isn't just fixing a problem on
another world - he's correcting his own mistake. (I wonder how
many more mistakes he's left behind him on his travels?!) In the
His failure to destroy the Daleks by touching the two wires together
before they and Davros destroyed the Kaled city and the Thals.
end The Doctor manages to solves this strange IT problem with
nothing but charm, a bag of jelly babies and the power of
persuasion... "You are not me, you are Xoanon".
We'll have to bear that in mind for the future should we ever
encounter a schizophrenic computer at war with itself!
Overall I think "The Face of Evil" is another really strong
story that showcases Tom Baker at his scarf-flailing best...
which in that era was pretty much what "Doctor Who" was all
about. For me, it merits an 8.5/10 rating.
Just look at how everything degenerated from Doctor Who at its peak into
the unrecognisable Planet of the Incels.
----
The True Doctor https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCngrZwoS0n21IRcXpKO79Lw
"To be woke is to be uninformed which is exactly the opposite of what it >stands for." --William Shatner
On 11/04/2026 10:48, Blueshirt wrote:
The premise of this story is quite interesting; a distant
planet where two factions, the superstitious "Sevateem" and
the technocratic "Tesh" are locked in a cultural stalemate.
Both unknowingly shaped by a deranged computer called
Xoanon. The twist, of course, is that Xoanon didn't start
deranged. It was 'improved' by the Doctor on a previous
visit!
It's more or less the same premise as State of Decay
There's a tinge of responsibility here that "Doctor Who"
doesn't always dwell on... The Doctor isn't just fixing a
problem on another world - he's correcting his own mistake.
(I wonder how many more mistakes he's left behind him on his
travels?!) In the
His failure to destroy the Daleks by touching the two wires
together before they and Davros destroyed the Kaled city and
the Thals.
The True Doctor wrote:
On 11/04/2026 10:48, Blueshirt wrote:
The premise of this story is quite interesting; a distant
planet where two factions, the superstitious "Sevateem" and
the technocratic "Tesh" are locked in a cultural stalemate.
Both unknowingly shaped by a deranged computer called
Xoanon. The twist, of course, is that Xoanon didn't start
deranged. It was 'improved' by the Doctor on a previous
visit!
It's more or less the same premise as State of Decay
We'll do that when you 'Rewatch Part' gets around to it... it's
been years since I've seen that story. I know it's something
about Vampires though.
There's a tinge of responsibility here that "Doctor Who"
doesn't always dwell on... The Doctor isn't just fixing a
problem on another world - he's correcting his own mistake.
(I wonder how many more mistakes he's left behind him on his
travels?!) In the
His failure to destroy the Daleks by touching the two wires
together before they and Davros destroyed the Kaled city and
the Thals.
I'm not sure that's the same sort of mistake... to touch those
two wires together would have been The Doctor potentially
committing genocide by wiping out a whole race while it was
incubating in tanks... that was never what Tom's Doctor was
about... even in this episode (Face of Evil) he objects to Leela
killing people with Janis thorns.
The True Doctor wrote:
On 11/04/2026 10:48, Blueshirt wrote:
The premise of this story is quite interesting; a distant
planet where two factions, the superstitious "Sevateem" and
the technocratic "Tesh" are locked in a cultural stalemate.
Both unknowingly shaped by a deranged computer called
Xoanon. The twist, of course, is that Xoanon didn't start
deranged. It was 'improved' by the Doctor on a previous
visit!
It's more or less the same premise as State of Decay
We'll do that when you 'Rewatch Part' gets around to it... it's
been years since I've seen that story. I know it's something
about Vampires though.
There's a tinge of responsibility here that "Doctor Who"
doesn't always dwell on... The Doctor isn't just fixing a
problem on another world - he's correcting his own mistake.
(I wonder how many more mistakes he's left behind him on his
travels?!) In the
His failure to destroy the Daleks by touching the two wires
together before they and Davros destroyed the Kaled city and
the Thals.
I'm not sure that's the same sort of mistake... to touch those
two wires together would have been The Doctor potentially
committing genocide by wiping out a whole race while it was
incubating in tanks... that was never what Tom's Doctor was
about... even in this episode (Face of Evil) he objects to Leela
killing people with Janis thorns.
On 14/04/2026 20:12, Blueshirt wrote:
The True Doctor wrote:
His failure to destroy the Daleks by touching the two wires
together before they and Davros destroyed the Kaled city
and the Thals.
I'm not sure that's the same sort of mistake... to touch
those two wires together would have been The Doctor
potentially committing genocide by wiping out a whole race
while it was incubating in tanks... that was never what
Tom's Doctor was
He allowed a far greater genocide to be committed by allowing
the Daleks to live. And the Daleks set off the explosives
themselves in the end by which time it was far too late.
The Doctor also made another mistake by hesitating to kill
Davros before he betrayed the Kaleds.
Because of those mistakes we can learn to do better ourselves.
That was the message of the story.
The Time Lords also made mistakes by sending the Doctor
instead of sending a proper hit squad to do their dirty work
for them,
or better still obliterating the whole of Skaro from
orbit so there was nothing of it left.
Remember how God destroyed the whole of Jericho apart from a
pair of female prostitutes?
All the Time Lords needed to do was save that
female Thal and a male Thal and they would by one up on God
himself.
... even in this episode (Face of Evil) he objects to
Leela killing people with Janis thorns.
What else was she supposed to kill them with at the time?
On 14/04/2026 20:12, Blueshirt wrote:
The True Doctor wrote:
On 11/04/2026 10:48, Blueshirt wrote:
The premise of this story is quite interesting; a distant
planet where two factions, the superstitious "Sevateem" and
the technocratic "Tesh" are locked in a cultural stalemate.
Both unknowingly shaped by a deranged computer called
Xoanon. The twist, of course, is that Xoanon didn't start
deranged. It was 'improved' by the Doctor on a previous
visit!
It's more or less the same premise as State of Decay
We'll do that when you 'Rewatch Part' gets around to it... it's
been years since I've seen that story. I know it's something
about Vampires though.
There's a tinge of responsibility here that "Doctor Who"
doesn't always dwell on... The Doctor isn't just fixing a
problem on another world - he's correcting his own mistake.
(I wonder how many more mistakes he's left behind him on his
travels?!) In the
His failure to destroy the Daleks by touching the two wires
together before they and Davros destroyed the Kaled city and
the Thals.
I'm not sure that's the same sort of mistake... to touch those
two wires together would have been The Doctor potentially
committing genocide by wiping out a whole race while it was
incubating in tanks... that was never what Tom's Doctor was
He allowed a far greater genocide to be committed by allowing the Daleks
to live. And the Daleks set off the explosives themselves in the end by >which time it was far too late.
The Doctor also made another mistake by hesitating to kill Davros before
he betrayed the Kaleds.
Because of those mistakes we can learn to do better ourselves. That was
the message of the story.
The Time Lords also made mistakes by sending the Doctor instead of
sending a proper hit squad to do their dirty work for them, or better
still obliterating the whole of Skaro from orbit so there was nothing of
it left. Remember how God destroyed the whole of Jericho apart from a
pair of female prostitutes? All the Time Lords needed to do was save
that female Thal and a male Thal and they would by one up on God himself.
about... even in this episode (Face of Evil) he objects to Leela
killing people with Janis thorns.
What else was she supposed to kill them with at the time?
----
The True Doctor https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCngrZwoS0n21IRcXpKO79Lw
"To be woke is to be uninformed which is exactly the opposite of what it >stands for." --William Shatner
The True Doctor wrote:
On 14/04/2026 20:12, Blueshirt wrote:
The True Doctor wrote:
His failure to destroy the Daleks by touching the two wires
together before they and Davros destroyed the Kaled city
and the Thals.
I'm not sure that's the same sort of mistake... to touch
those two wires together would have been The Doctor
potentially committing genocide by wiping out a whole race
while it was incubating in tanks... that was never what
Tom's Doctor was
He allowed a far greater genocide to be committed by allowing
the Daleks to live. And the Daleks set off the explosives
themselves in the end by which time it was far too late.
He wasn't God... he didn't have the right to wipe a whole race
out. Setting their development back a few years was an
acceptable compromise.
The Doctor also made the point that if there were no Daleks
something worse could come along, or that by existing and being
evil other races could come together against them, alliances
that might not happen if there were no Daleks.
The Doctor also made another mistake by hesitating to kill
Davros before he betrayed the Kaleds.
The show never wanted to show The Doctor kill anyone. It wasn't
a mistake, it's part of the show's DNA.
Because of those mistakes we can learn to do better ourselves.
That was the message of the story.
The Time Lords also made mistakes by sending the Doctor
instead of sending a proper hit squad to do their dirty work
for them,
A mission they seemed to have forgotten about two years later.
or better still obliterating the whole of Skaro from
orbit so there was nothing of it left.
That was done too, a few years later.
Didn't seem to do much good though did it?
Remember how God destroyed the whole of Jericho apart from a
pair of female prostitutes?
I wasn't there, so no I don't actually remember that. I do
recall reading some fairy story with that plot though.
All the Time Lords needed to do was save that
female Thal and a male Thal and they would by one up on God
himself.
Why save Thals? They were equally bad in the war. They might
claim to like peace but killing Kaleds and going around killing
Daleks isn't what peaceful people do.
... even in this episode (Face of Evil) he objects to
Leela killing people with Janis thorns.
What else was she supposed to kill them with at the time?
I think the Doctor was hoping she wouldn't feel the need to kill
anyone!
The True Doctor wrote:
On 14/04/2026 20:12, Blueshirt wrote:
The True Doctor wrote:
His failure to destroy the Daleks by touching the two wires
together before they and Davros destroyed the Kaled city
and the Thals.
I'm not sure that's the same sort of mistake... to touch
those two wires together would have been The Doctor
potentially committing genocide by wiping out a whole race
while it was incubating in tanks... that was never what
Tom's Doctor was
He allowed a far greater genocide to be committed by allowing
the Daleks to live. And the Daleks set off the explosives
themselves in the end by which time it was far too late.
He wasn't God... he didn't have the right to wipe a whole race
out. Setting their development back a few years was an
acceptable compromise.
The Doctor also made the point that if there were no Daleks
something worse could come along, or that by existing and being
evil other races could come together against them, alliances
that might not happen if there were no Daleks.
The Doctor also made another mistake by hesitating to kill
Davros before he betrayed the Kaleds.
The show never wanted to show The Doctor kill anyone. It wasn't
a mistake, it's part of the show's DNA.
Because of those mistakes we can learn to do better ourselves.
That was the message of the story.
The Time Lords also made mistakes by sending the Doctor
instead of sending a proper hit squad to do their dirty work
for them,
A mission they seemed to have forgotten about two years later.
or better still obliterating the whole of Skaro from
orbit so there was nothing of it left.
That was done too, a few years later.
Didn't seem to do much good though did it?
Remember how God destroyed the whole of Jericho apart from a
pair of female prostitutes?
I wasn't there, so no I don't actually remember that. I do
recall reading some fairy story with that plot though.
All the Time Lords needed to do was save that
female Thal and a male Thal and they would by one up on God
himself.
Why save Thals? They were equally bad in the war. They might
claim to like peace but killing Kaleds and going around killing
Daleks isn't what peaceful people do.
... even in this episode (Face of Evil) he objects to
Leela killing people with Janis thorns.
What else was she supposed to kill them with at the time?
I think the Doctor was hoping she wouldn't feel the need to kill
anyone!
On 15/04/2026 11:29, Blueshirt wrote:
The True Doctor wrote:
On 14/04/2026 20:12, Blueshirt wrote:
The True Doctor wrote:
His failure to destroy the Daleks by touching the two wires
together before they and Davros destroyed the Kaled city
and the Thals.
I'm not sure that's the same sort of mistake... to touch
those two wires together would have been The Doctor
potentially committing genocide by wiping out a whole race
while it was incubating in tanks... that was never what
Tom's Doctor was
He allowed a far greater genocide to be committed by allowing
the Daleks to live. And the Daleks set off the explosives
themselves in the end by which time it was far too late.
He wasn't God... he didn't have the right to wipe a whole race
out. Setting their development back a few years was an
acceptable compromise.
The Daleks were not a race. They were Davros's science project.
Since Genesis of the Daleks was based directly on Synthetic Men of Mars
by Edgar Rice Burroughs where Davros is derived from Ras Thavas the
Doctor had every right to terminate his project just like John Carter
had every right to terminate Ras Thavas' similar project.
The Doctor also made the point that if there were no Daleks
something worse could come along, or that by existing and being
evil other races could come together against them, alliances
that might not happen if there were no Daleks.
But in hindsight he was wrong since it led to the Time Wars which
brought about untold genocide.
The Doctor also made another mistake by hesitating to kill
Davros before he betrayed the Kaleds.
The show never wanted to show The Doctor kill anyone. It wasn't
a mistake, it's part of the show's DNA.
Urm... You watched the final episode of The Face of Evil didn't you? The >Doctor killed someone in that. He didn't mean to do it but he still died
as a result of the Doctor's actions to defend himself. And defending the >universe against the Daleks was what the Doctor was tasked to do.
Because of those mistakes we can learn to do better ourselves.
That was the message of the story.
The Time Lords also made mistakes by sending the Doctor
instead of sending a proper hit squad to do their dirty work
for them,
A mission they seemed to have forgotten about two years later.
It was 2000 years later for Davros. What else do you expect from a race
that doesn't even remember its own history properly.
or better still obliterating the whole of Skaro from
orbit so there was nothing of it left.
That was done too, a few years later.
And yet, why would the Daleks have needed the Hand of Omega to turn
their sun into a black hole when they already possessed the ability to >travel in time in their own TARDISs?
Didn't seem to do much good though did it?
The Doctor should have corrected his mistake properly and sent the Hand
of Omega to go back in time and destroy Skaro after he Sarah Jane and
Harry has left earlier in his time line.
Remember how God destroyed the whole of Jericho apart from a
pair of female prostitutes?
I wasn't there, so no I don't actually remember that. I do
recall reading some fairy story with that plot though.
It's not different to Doctor Who then.
All the Time Lords needed to do was save that
female Thal and a male Thal and they would by one up on God
himself.
Why save Thals? They were equally bad in the war. They might
claim to like peace but killing Kaleds and going around killing
Daleks isn't what peaceful people do.
Kill them too then. God made a mistake by letting those two prostitutes
from Jericho go free. Their decedents are now terrorising Israel.
Mistakes, mistakes, mistakes... And I thought he was supposed to be >infallible.
... even in this episode (Face of Evil) he objects to
Leela killing people with Janis thorns.
What else was she supposed to kill them with at the time?
I think the Doctor was hoping she wouldn't feel the need to kill
anyone!
But she saved his life. Just look at how many people K9 killed in The >Invisible Enemy. It's probably more people than Arnold Schwarzenegger
killed in Total Recall.
----
The True Doctor https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCngrZwoS0n21IRcXpKO79Lw
"To be woke is to be uninformed which is exactly the opposite of what it >stands for." --William Shatner
Since Genesis of the Daleks was based directly on Synthetic Men of Mars
by Edgar Rice Burroughs where Davros is derived from Ras Thavas the
Doctor had every right to terminate his project just like John Carter
had every right to terminate Ras Thavas' similar project.
Verily, in article <10rnvsk$soib$1@dont-email.me>, did agamemnon@hello.to.NO_SPAM deliver unto us this message:
Since Genesis of the Daleks was based directly on Synthetic Men of Mars
by Edgar Rice Burroughs where Davros is derived from Ras Thavas the
Doctor had every right to terminate his project just like John Carter
had every right to terminate Ras Thavas' similar project.
I never knew Davros was based on Ras Thavas. I learn all kinds of
interesting tidbits here.
Verily, in article <10rnvsk$soib$1@dont-email.me>, did >agamemnon@hello.to.NO_SPAM deliver unto us this message:
Since Genesis of the Daleks was based directly on Synthetic Men of Mars
by Edgar Rice Burroughs where Davros is derived from Ras Thavas the
Doctor had every right to terminate his project just like John Carter
had every right to terminate Ras Thavas' similar project.
I never knew Davros was based on Ras Thavas. I learn all kinds of >interesting tidbits here.
----
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United States of America - North America - Earth
Solar System - Milky Way - Local Group
Virgo Cluster - Laniakea Supercluster - Cosmos
On 15/04/2026 14:20, The True Melissa wrote:
Verily, in article <10rnvsk$soib$1@dont-email.me>, did
agamemnon@hello.to.NO_SPAM deliver unto us this message:
Since Genesis of the Daleks was based directly on Synthetic Men of Mars
by Edgar Rice Burroughs where Davros is derived from Ras Thavas the
Doctor had every right to terminate his project just like John Carter
had every right to terminate Ras Thavas' similar project.
I never knew Davros was based on Ras Thavas. I learn all kinds of
interesting tidbits here.
Ras Thavas => Tava Ras => Dav Ras => Davros
ERB uses a similar reversal of names of one of the characters in
Synthetic Men of Mars.
Revelation of the Daleks makes Davros the Great Healer which is how Ras >Thavas is portrayed in The Master Mind of Mars which also references >transgenderism 100 years before the pervert RTD tried to sexually groom >children with the ideology. There's no sexual grooming in any of ERBs work.
----
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"To be woke is to be uninformed which is exactly the opposite of what it >stands for." --William Shatner
On 14/04/2026 20:12, Blueshirt wrote:
The True Doctor wrote:
On 11/04/2026 10:48, Blueshirt wrote:
The premise of this story is quite interesting; a distant
planet where two factions, the superstitious "Sevateem" and
the technocratic "Tesh" are locked in a cultural stalemate.
Both unknowingly shaped by a deranged computer called
Xoanon. The twist, of course, is that Xoanon didn't start
deranged. It was 'improved' by the Doctor on a previous
visit!
It's more or less the same premise as State of Decay
We'll do that when you 'Rewatch Part' gets around to it... it's
been years since I've seen that story. I know it's something
about Vampires though.
There's a tinge of responsibility here that "Doctor Who"
doesn't always dwell on... The Doctor isn't just fixing a
problem on another world - he's correcting his own mistake.
(I wonder how many more mistakes he's left behind him on his
travels?!) In the
His failure to destroy the Daleks by touching the two wires
together before they and Davros destroyed the Kaled city and
the Thals.
I'm not sure that's the same sort of mistake... to touch those
two wires together would have been The Doctor potentially
committing genocide by wiping out a whole race while it was
incubating in tanks... that was never what Tom's Doctor was
He allowed a far greater genocide to be committed by allowing the
Daleks to live. And the Daleks set off the explosives themselves in
the end by which time it was far too late.
The Doctor also made another mistake by hesitating to kill Davros
before he betrayed the Kaleds.
Because of those mistakes we can learn to do better ourselves. That
was the message of the story.
The Time Lords also made mistakes by sending the Doctor instead of
sending a proper hit squad to do their dirty work for them, or better
still obliterating the whole of Skaro from orbit so there was nothing
of it left. Remember how God destroyed the whole of Jericho apart
from a pair of female prostitutes? All the Time Lords needed to do
was save that female Thal and a male Thal and they would by one up on
God himself.
about... even in this episode (Face of Evil) he objects to Leela
killing people with Janis thorns.
What else was she supposed to kill them with at the time?
At Wed, 15 Apr 2026 06:19:21 +0100, The True Doctor ><agamemnon@hello.to.NO_SPAM> wrote:
On 14/04/2026 20:12, Blueshirt wrote:
The True Doctor wrote:
On 11/04/2026 10:48, Blueshirt wrote:
The premise of this story is quite interesting; a distant
planet where two factions, the superstitious "Sevateem" and
the technocratic "Tesh" are locked in a cultural stalemate.
Both unknowingly shaped by a deranged computer called
Xoanon. The twist, of course, is that Xoanon didn't start
deranged. It was 'improved' by the Doctor on a previous
visit!
It's more or less the same premise as State of Decay
We'll do that when you 'Rewatch Part' gets around to it... it's
been years since I've seen that story. I know it's something
about Vampires though.
There's a tinge of responsibility here that "Doctor Who"
doesn't always dwell on... The Doctor isn't just fixing a
problem on another world - he's correcting his own mistake.
(I wonder how many more mistakes he's left behind him on his
travels?!) In the
His failure to destroy the Daleks by touching the two wires
together before they and Davros destroyed the Kaled city and
the Thals.
I'm not sure that's the same sort of mistake... to touch those
two wires together would have been The Doctor potentially
committing genocide by wiping out a whole race while it was
incubating in tanks... that was never what Tom's Doctor was
He allowed a far greater genocide to be committed by allowing the
Daleks to live. And the Daleks set off the explosives themselves in
the end by which time it was far too late.
The Doctor also made another mistake by hesitating to kill Davros
before he betrayed the Kaleds.
Because of those mistakes we can learn to do better ourselves. That
was the message of the story.
The Time Lords also made mistakes by sending the Doctor instead of
sending a proper hit squad to do their dirty work for them, or better
still obliterating the whole of Skaro from orbit so there was nothing
of it left. Remember how God destroyed the whole of Jericho apart
from a pair of female prostitutes? All the Time Lords needed to do
was save that female Thal and a male Thal and they would by one up on
God himself.
A short excerpt from Kentucky Fried Movie:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5-86dY7xGto
Two individuals probably doesn't provide enough genetic diversity
to sustain a species...unless you know something about these Thals
that gets around that?
Also: Joshua is a great yarn, isn't it? But that's all there is
to it.
about... even in this episode (Face of Evil) he objects to Leela
killing people with Janis thorns.
What else was she supposed to kill them with at the time?
A claw hammer would be more interesting.
----
Doc Hammerslack
] Any fragments of the Truth used to control the earth fscks that
] which can be, figuratively, 'smoked in "Bob's" Pipe' until it is
] part of the Conspiracy.
Since Genesis of the Daleks was based directly on
Synthetic Men of Mars by Edgar Rice Burroughs
The True Doctor wrote:
Since Genesis of the Daleks was based directly on
Synthetic Men of Mars by Edgar Rice Burroughs
That's actually a book I haven't read... will have to see
if I can source an EPUB of it for my collection.
On 19/04/2026 16:04, Blueshirt wrote:
The True Doctor wrote:
Since Genesis of the Daleks was based directly on
Synthetic Men of Mars by Edgar Rice Burroughs
That's actually a book I haven't read... will have to see
if I can source an EPUB of it for my collection.
It should be on Project Guttenberg since it's out of
copyright.
Since it's a sequel to The Master Mind of Mars you
might want to read that first.
The True Doctor wrote:
Since Genesis of the Daleks was based directly on
Synthetic Men of Mars by Edgar Rice Burroughs
That's actually a book I haven't read... will have to see
if I can source an EPUB of it for my collection.
On 19/04/2026 16:04, Blueshirt wrote:
The True Doctor wrote:
Since Genesis of the Daleks was based directly on
Synthetic Men of Mars by Edgar Rice Burroughs
That's actually a book I haven't read... will have to see
if I can source an EPUB of it for my collection.
It should be on Project Guttenberg since it's out of copyright. Since
it's a sequel to The Master Mind of Mars you might want to read that
first. Also bare in mind that in Synthetic Men ERB mixes up two of the >protagonists about 2/3 to 3/4 of the way through and also gets two
cities mixed up because the publisher decided to use an earlier draft of
the final chapters. It's also the last proper novel in the Barsoom
series. John Carter and the Giant of Mars which follows on directly was >written by his son and is a novelette. After that comes Llana of Gathol >which was written by ERB but is a series of four interconnected stand
along stories. Skeleton Men of Jupiter was supposed to be written in a >similar manner but ERB only completed the first story before Pearl
Harbour and as a result abandoned it to become a war correspondent, and
that was the end of the Barsoom series. The Moon Maid describes what
happens in the future concerning Barsoom.
----
The True Doctor https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCngrZwoS0n21IRcXpKO79Lw
"To be woke is to be uninformed which is exactly the opposite of what it >stands for." --William Shatner
The True Doctor wrote:
On 19/04/2026 16:04, Blueshirt wrote:
The True Doctor wrote:
Since Genesis of the Daleks was based directly on
Synthetic Men of Mars by Edgar Rice Burroughs
That's actually a book I haven't read... will have to see
if I can source an EPUB of it for my collection.
It should be on Project Guttenberg since it's out of
copyright.
It wasn't on Guttenburg but epubbooks had it...
Since it's a sequel to The Master Mind of Mars you
might want to read that first.
Seems I've to read a few more of that series first!!
https://www.epubbooks.com/series/5-barsoom
Although I believe that I did read one of them when I was
younger... a lot younger. Still, there's no harm in doing it
properly now. (Properly as in, in order!)
The True Doctor wrote:
On 19/04/2026 16:04, Blueshirt wrote:
The True Doctor wrote:
Since Genesis of the Daleks was based directly on
Synthetic Men of Mars by Edgar Rice Burroughs
That's actually a book I haven't read... will have to see
if I can source an EPUB of it for my collection.
It should be on Project Guttenberg since it's out of
copyright.
It wasn't on Guttenburg but epubbooks had it...
Since it's a sequel to The Master Mind of Mars you
might want to read that first.
Seems I've to read a few more of that series first!!
https://www.epubbooks.com/series/5-barsoom
Although I believe that I did read one of them when I was
younger... a lot younger. Still, there's no harm in doing it
properly now. (Properly as in, in order!)
On 19/04/2026 18:50, Blueshirt wrote:
The True Doctor wrote:
On 19/04/2026 16:04, Blueshirt wrote:
The True Doctor wrote:
Since Genesis of the Daleks was based directly on
Synthetic Men of Mars by Edgar Rice Burroughs
That's actually a book I haven't read... will have to see
if I can source an EPUB of it for my collection.
It should be on Project Guttenberg since it's out of
copyright.
It wasn't on Guttenburg but epubbooks had it...
Funny, it seems they've gone and messed everything up.
https://gutenberg.net.au/ebooks01/0100231h.html
https://freeread.de/@RGLibrary/ERBurroughs/Barsoom/TheSyntheticMenOfMars.epub
https://freeread.de/@RGLibrary/scifi.html
Since it's a sequel to The Master Mind of Mars you
might want to read that first.
Seems I've to read a few more of that series first!!
https://www.epubbooks.com/series/5-barsoom
Although I believe that I did read one of them when I was
I believe I watched the entire series on TV as a child before I read the >books as an adult. Might have been on Jackanory and a live action series >too. I can barely remember.
younger... a lot younger. Still, there's no harm in doing it
properly now. (Properly as in, in order!)
A Princess of Mars (which became the principle basis of John Norman's
Gor sci-fi-fantasy series and various elements of the series were used
in Star Wars)
The Gods of Mars (sequel to A Princess of Mars)
The Warlord of Mars (concluding the original trilogy)
Thuvia, Maid of Mars (describes the first ever SatNav and telepathy)
The Chessmen of Mars (which includes the Kaldanes which form one of the >basis of the Dalek creatures)
The Master Mind of Mars (the basis for Davros)
A Fighting Man of Mars (one of the best stories in the series)
Swords of Mars (deals with AI and based on the Edison vs. Tesla war of
the inventors which the degenerate Chris Chibnall did very badly in >comparison)
Synthetic Men of Mars (the basis for Genesis of the Daleks and a Kaldane >makes a cameo)
John Carter and the Giant of Mars (or John Carter of Mars which includes >Skeleton Men of Jupiter. Continues from where Synthetic Men leaves off)
Llana of Gathol (a huge romp over Mars which features cameos from
principle characters in the earlier stories including The Gods of Mars
and A Fighting Man of Mars)
Skeleton Men of Jupiter (Burroughs does Nazis)
The Moon Maid (makes references to John Carter and Dejah Thoris in the >future)
----
The True Doctor https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCngrZwoS0n21IRcXpKO79Lw
"To be woke is to be uninformed which is exactly the opposite of what it >stands for." --William Shatner
In article <xn0popycwbiaw2c001@post.eweka.nl>,
Blueshirt <blueshirt@indigo.news> wrote:
The True Doctor wrote:
On 19/04/2026 16:04, Blueshirt wrote:
The True Doctor wrote:
Since Genesis of the Daleks was based directly on
Synthetic Men of Mars by Edgar Rice Burroughs
That's actually a book I haven't read... will have to see
if I can source an EPUB of it for my collection.
It should be on Project Guttenberg since it's out of
copyright.
It wasn't on Guttenburg but epubbooks had it...
Since it's a sequel to The Master Mind of Mars you
might want to read that first.
Seems I've to read a few more of that series first!!
https://www.epubbooks.com/series/5-barsoom
--Although I believe that I did read one of them when I was
younger... a lot younger. Still, there's no harm in doing it
properly now. (Properly as in, in order!)
TY4I
On 19/04/2026 19:42, The Doctor wrote:
In article <xn0popycwbiaw2c001@post.eweka.nl>,
Blueshirt <blueshirt@indigo.news> wrote:
The True Doctor wrote:
On 19/04/2026 16:04, Blueshirt wrote:
The True Doctor wrote:
Since Genesis of the Daleks was based directly on
Synthetic Men of Mars by Edgar Rice Burroughs
That's actually a book I haven't read... will have to see
if I can source an EPUB of it for my collection.
It should be on Project Guttenberg since it's out of
copyright.
It wasn't on Guttenburg but epubbooks had it...
Since it's a sequel to The Master Mind of Mars you
might want to read that first.
Seems I've to read a few more of that series first!!
https://www.epubbooks.com/series/5-barsoom
The publication dates are for the novels. The original stories were >originally published starting from 1912 as serials in various >science-fiction magazines.
Although I believe that I did read one of them when I was
younger... a lot younger. Still, there's no harm in doing it
properly now. (Properly as in, in order!)
TY4I
----
The True Doctor https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCngrZwoS0n21IRcXpKO79Lw
"To be woke is to be uninformed which is exactly the opposite of what it >stands for." --William Shatner
On 19/04/2026 19:42, The Doctor wrote:
In article <xn0popycwbiaw2c001@post.eweka.nl>,
Blueshirt <blueshirt@indigo.news> wrote:
The True Doctor wrote:
Since it's a sequel to The Master Mind of Mars you
might want to read that first.
Seems I've to read a few more of that series first!!
https://www.epubbooks.com/series/5-barsoom
The publication dates are for the novels. The original stories
were originally published starting from 1912 as serials in
various science-fiction magazines.
On 15/04/2026 11:29, Blueshirt wrote:
The True Doctor wrote:
On 14/04/2026 20:12, Blueshirt wrote:
The True Doctor wrote:
His failure to destroy the Daleks by touching the two wires
together before they and Davros destroyed the Kaled city
and the Thals.
I'm not sure that's the same sort of mistake... to touch
those two wires together would have been The Doctor
potentially committing genocide by wiping out a whole race
while it was incubating in tanks... that was never what
Tom's Doctor was
He allowed a far greater genocide to be committed by allowing
the Daleks to live. And the Daleks set off the explosives
themselves in the end by which time it was far too late.
He wasn't God... he didn't have the right to wipe a whole race
out. Setting their development back a few years was an
acceptable compromise.
The Daleks were not a race. They were Davros's science project.
Since Genesis of the Daleks was based directly on Synthetic Men of Mars
by Edgar Rice Burroughs where Davros is derived from Ras Thavas the
Doctor had every right to terminate his project just like John Carter
had every right to terminate Ras Thavas' similar project.
The True Doctor wrote:
On 19/04/2026 19:42, The Doctor wrote:
In article <xn0popycwbiaw2c001@post.eweka.nl>,
Blueshirt <blueshirt@indigo.news> wrote:
The True Doctor wrote:
Since it's a sequel to The Master Mind of Mars you
might want to read that first.
Seems I've to read a few more of that series first!!
https://www.epubbooks.com/series/5-barsoom
The publication dates are for the novels. The original stories
were originally published starting from 1912 as serials in
various science-fiction magazines.
Yeah, back then a lot of stuff was published in magazines first.
The Conan Doyle Sherlock Holmes short stories were originally
published in The Strand magazine, as were a lot of Agatha
Christie's short stories, before they made it in to collected
volumes or expanded into novels.
On 15/04/2026 10:21 pm, The True Doctor wrote:
On 15/04/2026 11:29, Blueshirt wrote:
The True Doctor wrote:
On 14/04/2026 20:12, Blueshirt wrote:
The True Doctor wrote:
His failure to destroy the Daleks by touching the two wires
together before they and Davros destroyed the Kaled city
and the Thals.
I'm not sure that's the same sort of mistake... to touch
those two wires together would have been The Doctor
potentially committing genocide by wiping out a whole race
while it was incubating in tanks... that was never what
Tom's Doctor was
He allowed a far greater genocide to be committed by allowing
the Daleks to live. And the Daleks set off the explosives
themselves in the end by which time it was far too late.
He wasn't God... he didn't have the right to wipe a whole race
out. Setting their development back a few years was an
acceptable compromise.
The Daleks were not a race. They were Davros's science project.
Since Genesis of the Daleks was based directly on Synthetic Men of Mars
by Edgar Rice Burroughs where Davros is derived from Ras Thavas the
Doctor had every right to terminate his project just like John Carter
had every right to terminate Ras Thavas' similar project.
(Not having read 'Synthetic Men ....') I would have thought Cybermen
might have been a closer approximation to Synthetic Men ... from anywhere.
----
Daniel70
On 15/04/2026 10:21 pm, The True Doctor wrote:
On 15/04/2026 11:29, Blueshirt wrote:
The True Doctor wrote:
On 14/04/2026 20:12, Blueshirt wrote:
The True Doctor wrote:
His failure to destroy the Daleks by touching the two wires
together before they and Davros destroyed the Kaled city
and the Thals.
I'm not sure that's the same sort of mistake... to touch
those two wires together would have been The Doctor
potentially committing genocide by wiping out a whole race
while it was incubating in tanks... that was never what
Tom's Doctor was
He allowed a far greater genocide to be committed by allowing
the Daleks to live. And the Daleks set off the explosives
themselves in the end by which time it was far too late.
He wasn't God... he didn't have the right to wipe a whole race
out. Setting their development back a few years was an
acceptable compromise.
The Daleks were not a race. They were Davros's science project.
Since Genesis of the Daleks was based directly on Synthetic Men of
Mars by Edgar Rice Burroughs where Davros is derived from Ras Thavas
the Doctor had every right to terminate his project just like John
Carter had every right to terminate Ras Thavas' similar project.
(Not having read 'Synthetic Men ....') I would have thought Cybermen
might have been a closer approximation to Synthetic Men ... from anywhere.
On 20/04/2026 11:22, Daniel70 wrote:
On 15/04/2026 10:21 pm, The True Doctor wrote:
On 15/04/2026 11:29, Blueshirt wrote:
The True Doctor wrote:
On 14/04/2026 20:12, Blueshirt wrote:
The True Doctor wrote:
His failure to destroy the Daleks by touching the two wires
together before they and Davros destroyed the Kaled city
and the Thals.
I'm not sure that's the same sort of mistake... to touch
those two wires together would have been The Doctor
potentially committing genocide by wiping out a whole race
while it was incubating in tanks... that was never what
Tom's Doctor was
He allowed a far greater genocide to be committed by allowing
the Daleks to live. And the Daleks set off the explosives
themselves in the end by which time it was far too late.
He wasn't God... he didn't have the right to wipe a whole race
out. Setting their development back a few years was an
acceptable compromise.
The Daleks were not a race. They were Davros's science project.
Since Genesis of the Daleks was based directly on Synthetic Men of
Mars by Edgar Rice Burroughs where Davros is derived from Ras Thavas
the Doctor had every right to terminate his project just like John
Carter had every right to terminate Ras Thavas' similar project.
(Not having read 'Synthetic Men ....') I would have thought Cybermen
might have been a closer approximation to Synthetic Men ... from anywhere.
No. The idea for the Cybermen comes from Swords of Mars. Synthetic men
has Ras Thavas incubating the creatures he created to be a superior
lifeform in huge vats in incubation rooms and then the Syntheric men
rebel against him after they suspect he wants to destroy them after his >experiments don't go according to plan.
----
The True Doctor https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCngrZwoS0n21IRcXpKO79Lw
"To be woke is to be uninformed which is exactly the opposite of what it >stands for." --William Shatner
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