Note: The Master was mentioned in Terror of the Autons.
How can he be forgotten come Deadly Assassin.
On 28/03/2026 22:43, Blueshirt wrote:
The script by Robert Holmes is very strong, and revolutionary
for Doctor Who lore in some ways. He strips away any mystique
the Time Lords had accumulated before this story, and
replaces it with something far more interesting;
bureaucracy, corruption, and institutional decay. The Time
Lords aren't mysterious gods,they're civil servants in robes,
They were never that from the start in The War Games.
and half of them are either murderers or cowards! It's
cynical writing at its best. Which
Like in The War Games. Look at the War Chief and the Time
Lords effectively put the Doctor to death at the end of that.
It's only in The Three Doctors that the Time Lords are
portrayed as all knowing scientists and The Deadly Assassin
seems to have forgotten that and in that they know very little.
Needless to say, Tom Baker's performance was typical for this
season, enthusiastically OTT.. but resourceful and heroic at
the same time. Having no companion around does seem a bit
strange at first, but with all the Time Lord dynamics going
on we get used to it. In the behind the scenes interviews,
Tom Baker had (at the time) proposed the Doctor travel alone
in more stories, but Hinchcliffe was having none of it.
Fortunately!
Well technically he travels alone in the next story also until
the end when... spoilers...
The Matrix played a central part to this story, and events in
that reality provided two of the [now legendary] episode
cliffhangers. One of which - the Doctor drowning one - was a
kind of cheat, but it upset Mary Whitehouse anyway. For a
Saturday tea time show, this story is unusually graphic
though... it's clear nobody had told the producers this was a
children's programme.
It was more like dinner time than tea time. Tea time was the
sodding football results which were as boring as ever.
Observations: The opening intro crawl was something Star Wars
did a year later. Co-incidence, or had George Lucas seen this
Hum... The opening crawl idea came from all those Flash Gordon
serials.
Like in The War Games. Look at the War Chief and the Time
Lords effectively put the Doctor to death at the end of that.
It's only in The Three Doctors that the Time Lords are
portrayed as all knowing scientists and The Deadly Assassin
seems to have forgotten that and in that they know very little.
There was a few things they seemed to have forgotten... but it
suited the narrative obviously.
The Doctor wrote:
Note: The Master was mentioned in Terror of the Autons.
How can he be forgotten come Deadly Assassin.
That's why it's a nitpick. The Third Doctor was told by a
Time Lord that The Master was on Earth in "Terror of the
Autons", yet they didn't know who he was in "The Deadly
Assassin".
The True Doctor wrote:
On 28/03/2026 22:43, Blueshirt wrote:
The script by Robert Holmes is very strong, and revolutionary
for Doctor Who lore in some ways. He strips away any mystique
the Time Lords had accumulated before this story, and
replaces it with something far more interesting;
bureaucracy, corruption, and institutional decay. The Time
Lords aren't mysterious gods,they're civil servants in robes,
They were never that from the start in The War Games.
They had that sort of image during the Third Doctor's era,
which was my introduction to the series... especially in "The
Three Doctors".
and half of them are either murderers or cowards! It's
cynical writing at its best. Which
Like in The War Games. Look at the War Chief and the Time
Lords effectively put the Doctor to death at the end of that.
It's only in The Three Doctors that the Time Lords are
portrayed as all knowing scientists and The Deadly Assassin
seems to have forgotten that and in that they know very little.
There was a few things they seemed to have forgotten... but it
suited the narrative obviously.
Needless to say, Tom Baker's performance was typical for this
season, enthusiastically OTT.. but resourceful and heroic at
the same time. Having no companion around does seem a bit
strange at first, but with all the Time Lord dynamics going
on we get used to it. In the behind the scenes interviews,
Tom Baker had (at the time) proposed the Doctor travel alone
in more stories, but Hinchcliffe was having none of it.
Fortunately!
Well technically he travels alone in the next story also until
the end when... spoilers...
Tom Baker would have liked that... Louise Jameson has said many
times that Tom wasn't very nice to her back then.
The Matrix played a central part to this story, and events in
that reality provided two of the [now legendary] episode
cliffhangers. One of which - the Doctor drowning one - was a
kind of cheat, but it upset Mary Whitehouse anyway. For a
Saturday tea time show, this story is unusually graphic
though... it's clear nobody had told the producers this was a
children's programme.
It was more like dinner time than tea time. Tea time was the
sodding football results which were as boring as ever.
Football boring? Wash your mouth out.
My old fella used to do the football pools so we always had the
football results on. Our dinner time was in the early afternoon
back then, 1-2pm... probably what the English call lunch!
--Observations: The opening intro crawl was something Star Wars
did a year later. Co-incidence, or had George Lucas seen this
Hum... The opening crawl idea came from all those Flash Gordon
serials.
Can't recall them.
Verily, in article <xn0pnv0pb7gbwog003@post.eweka.nl>, did >blueshirt@indigo.news deliver unto us this message:
Like in The War Games. Look at the War Chief and the Time
Lords effectively put the Doctor to death at the end of that.
It's only in The Three Doctors that the Time Lords are
portrayed as all knowing scientists and The Deadly Assassin
seems to have forgotten that and in that they know very little.
There was a few things they seemed to have forgotten... but it
suited the narrative obviously.
They seemed to get lamer and lamer throughout the classic show. In The
War Games, they're terrifying. Eventually, they're clowns who alternate >between imprisoning the Doctor and trying to make him be Lord President.
----
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United States of America - North America - Earth
Solar System - Milky Way - Local Group
Virgo Cluster - Laniakea Supercluster - Cosmos
Verily, in article <xn0pnv0pb7gbwog003@post.eweka.nl>, did blueshirt@indigo.news deliver unto us this message:
Like in The War Games. Look at the War Chief and the Time
Lords effectively put the Doctor to death at the end of
that. It's only in The Three Doctors that the Time Lords
are portrayed as all knowing scientists and The Deadly
Assassin seems to have forgotten that and in that they
know very little.
There was a few things they seemed to have forgotten... but
it suited the narrative obviously.
They seemed to get lamer and lamer throughout the classic
show.
In article <xn0pnv03k7fljvr001@post.eweka.nl>,
Blueshirt <blueshirt@indigo.news> wrote:
The Doctor wrote:
Note: The Master was mentioned in Terror of the Autons.
How can he be forgotten come Deadly Assassin.
That's why it's a nitpick. The Third Doctor was told by a
Time Lord that The Master was on Earth in "Terror of the
Autons", yet they didn't know who he was in "The Deadly
Assassin".
You got my point.
The True Doctor wrote:
On 28/03/2026 22:43, Blueshirt wrote:
The script by Robert Holmes is very strong, and revolutionary
for Doctor Who lore in some ways. He strips away any mystique
the Time Lords had accumulated before this story, and
replaces it with something far more interesting;
bureaucracy, corruption, and institutional decay. The Time
Lords aren't mysterious gods,they're civil servants in robes,
They were never that from the start in The War Games.
They had that sort of image during the Third Doctor's era,
which was my introduction to the series... especially in "The
Three Doctors".
and half of them are either murderers or cowards! It's
cynical writing at its best. Which
Like in The War Games. Look at the War Chief and the Time
Lords effectively put the Doctor to death at the end of that.
It's only in The Three Doctors that the Time Lords are
portrayed as all knowing scientists and The Deadly Assassin
seems to have forgotten that and in that they know very little.
There was a few things they seemed to have forgotten... but it
suited the narrative obviously.
Needless to say, Tom Baker's performance was typical for this
season, enthusiastically OTT.. but resourceful and heroic at
the same time. Having no companion around does seem a bit
strange at first, but with all the Time Lord dynamics going
on we get used to it. In the behind the scenes interviews,
Tom Baker had (at the time) proposed the Doctor travel alone
in more stories, but Hinchcliffe was having none of it.
Fortunately!
Well technically he travels alone in the next story also until
the end when... spoilers...
Tom Baker would have liked that... Louise Jameson has said many
times that Tom wasn't very nice to her back then.
The Matrix played a central part to this story, and events in
that reality provided two of the [now legendary] episode
cliffhangers. One of which - the Doctor drowning one - was a
kind of cheat, but it upset Mary Whitehouse anyway. For a
Saturday tea time show, this story is unusually graphic
though... it's clear nobody had told the producers this was a
children's programme.
It was more like dinner time than tea time. Tea time was the
sodding football results which were as boring as ever.
Football boring? Wash your mouth out.
My old fella used to do the football pools so we always had the
football results on. Our dinner time was in the early afternoon
back then, 1-2pm... probably what the English call lunch!
Observations: The opening intro crawl was something Star Wars
did a year later. Co-incidence, or had George Lucas seen this
Hum... The opening crawl idea came from all those Flash Gordon
serials.
Can't recall them.
The Doctor wrote:
In article <xn0pnv03k7fljvr001@post.eweka.nl>,
Blueshirt <blueshirt@indigo.news> wrote:
The Doctor wrote:
Note: The Master was mentioned in Terror of the Autons.
How can he be forgotten come Deadly Assassin.
That's why it's a nitpick. The Third Doctor was told by a
Time Lord that The Master was on Earth in "Terror of the
Autons", yet they didn't know who he was in "The Deadly
Assassin".
You got my point.
I mentioned it in my review and as it turns out so did
Agamemnon, so it's something that we all picked up on... but
maybe not in 1976 though. It was a minor lack of continuity,
but nothing major at the end of the day.
The True Melissa wrote:
Verily, in article <xn0pnv0pb7gbwog003@post.eweka.nl>, did
blueshirt@indigo.news deliver unto us this message:
Like in The War Games. Look at the War Chief and the Time
Lords effectively put the Doctor to death at the end of
that. It's only in The Three Doctors that the Time Lords
are portrayed as all knowing scientists and The Deadly
Assassin seems to have forgotten that and in that they
know very little.
There was a few things they seemed to have forgotten... but
it suited the narrative obviously.
They seemed to get lamer and lamer throughout the classic
show.
I always thought they were lame... they became all-knowing
pompous bureaucrats... I hated it when the show dealt with
the Time Lords and/or events on Gallifrey. I just found that
stuff boring.
On 29/03/2026 18:06, Blueshirt wrote:
The True Doctor wrote:
On 28/03/2026 22:43, Blueshirt wrote:
The script by Robert Holmes is very strong, and revolutionary
for Doctor Who lore in some ways. He strips away any mystique
the Time Lords had accumulated before this story, and
replaces it with something far more interesting;
bureaucracy, corruption, and institutional decay. The Time
Lords aren't mysterious gods,they're civil servants in robes,
They were never that from the start in The War Games.
They had that sort of image during the Third Doctor's era,
which was my introduction to the series... especially in "The
Three Doctors".
I didn't know about most of the Third Doctor stuff until I read the >novelisations. Knew more about the First Doctor since my mum had watch
him in Cyprus when the series started since everyone was going on about it.
and half of them are either murderers or cowards! It's
cynical writing at its best. Which
Like in The War Games. Look at the War Chief and the Time
Lords effectively put the Doctor to death at the end of that.
It's only in The Three Doctors that the Time Lords are
portrayed as all knowing scientists and The Deadly Assassin
seems to have forgotten that and in that they know very little.
There was a few things they seemed to have forgotten... but it
suited the narrative obviously.
Needless to say, Tom Baker's performance was typical for this
season, enthusiastically OTT.. but resourceful and heroic at
the same time. Having no companion around does seem a bit
strange at first, but with all the Time Lord dynamics going
on we get used to it. In the behind the scenes interviews,
Tom Baker had (at the time) proposed the Doctor travel alone
in more stories, but Hinchcliffe was having none of it.
Fortunately!
Well technically he travels alone in the next story also until
the end when... spoilers...
Tom Baker would have liked that... Louise Jameson has said many
times that Tom wasn't very nice to her back then.
He didn't like the idea of Leela carrying a knife so he took it out on >Louise instead of Hinchcliffe.
The Matrix played a central part to this story, and events in
that reality provided two of the [now legendary] episode
cliffhangers. One of which - the Doctor drowning one - was a
kind of cheat, but it upset Mary Whitehouse anyway. For a
Saturday tea time show, this story is unusually graphic
though... it's clear nobody had told the producers this was a
children's programme.
It was more like dinner time than tea time. Tea time was the
sodding football results which were as boring as ever.
Football boring? Wash your mouth out.
I said the results were boring. Where was the video of the actual
matches? It was the stupid teleprinter or vidiprinter. A total waste of
time when they could have shown actual sport and just read out the
results after all of them had come in and been confirmed and even then
all it needed was a card for each division on-screen and you could
easily find and read the result of your favourite team in under 10 seconds.
My old fella used to do the football pools so we always had the
football results on. Our dinner time was in the early afternoon
back then, 1-2pm... probably what the English call lunch!
You could do the pools using the Sunday papers. Even if my dad let me
pick the pools it was still boring watching the tele/vidiprinter and
having to wait till it finished for Doctor Who to start.
Observations: The opening intro crawl was something Star Wars
did a year later. Co-incidence, or had George Lucas seen this
Hum... The opening crawl idea came from all those Flash Gordon
serials.
Can't recall them.
What? You can't recall Flash Gordon with Buster Crabbe? Shame on you.
----
The True Doctor https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCngrZwoS0n21IRcXpKO79Lw
"To be woke is to be uninformed which is exactly the opposite of what it >stands for." --William Shatner
On 29/03/2026 18:06, Blueshirt wrote:
The True Doctor wrote:
On 28/03/2026 22:43, Blueshirt wrote:
Observations: The opening intro crawl was something
Star Wars did a year later. Co-incidence, or had George
Lucas seen this episode.
Hum... The opening crawl idea came from all those Flash
Gordon serials.
Can't recall them.
What? You can't recall Flash Gordon with Buster Crabbe? Shame
on you.
In article <xn0pnv56p61crgd001@post.eweka.nl>,
Blueshirt <blueshirt@indigo.news> wrote:
The True Melissa wrote:
They seemed to get lamer and lamer throughout the classic
show.
I always thought the Time Lords were lame... they became
all-knowing pompous bureaucrats... I hated it when the show
dealt with the Time Lords and/or events on Gallifrey. I just
found that stuff boring.
Disagree!
I always thought they were lame... they became all-knowing
pompous bureaucrats... I hated it when the show dealt with
the Time Lords and/or events on Gallifrey. I just found that
stuff boring.
The True Doctor wrote:
On 29/03/2026 18:06, Blueshirt wrote:
The True Doctor wrote:
On 28/03/2026 22:43, Blueshirt wrote:
Observations: The opening intro crawl was something
Star Wars did a year later. Co-incidence, or had George
Lucas seen this episode.
Hum... The opening crawl idea came from all those Flash
Gordon serials.
Can't recall them.
What? You can't recall Flash Gordon with Buster Crabbe? Shame
on you.
I meant I couldn't remember the episodes starting with the
crawl... I can - just about - remember Buster Crabbe as Flash
Gordon... I remember the 1980's film - and the Queen theme
song - better though.
The Doctor wrote:
In article <xn0pnv56p61crgd001@post.eweka.nl>,
Blueshirt <blueshirt@indigo.news> wrote:
The True Melissa wrote:
They seemed to get lamer and lamer throughout the classic
show.
I always thought the Time Lords were lame... they became
all-knowing pompous bureaucrats... I hated it when the show
dealt with the Time Lords and/or events on Gallifrey. I just
found that stuff boring.
Disagree!
Time Lord politics was boring!
YMMV.
Verily, in article <xn0pnv56p61crgd001@post.eweka.nl>, did >blueshirt@indigo.news deliver unto us this message:
I always thought they were lame... they became all-knowing
pompous bureaucrats... I hated it when the show dealt with
the Time Lords and/or events on Gallifrey. I just found that
stuff boring.
I liked the Gallifrey episodes as a kid, but it was probably because
they were special. If they'd set a whole era on Gallifrey, that could
have been dull.
Then again, during the Second Doctor's tenure, most of us would have
thought an era entirely on Earth would be dull.
----
The True Melissa - Canal Winchester - Ohio
United States of America - North America - Earth
Solar System - Milky Way - Local Group
Virgo Cluster - Laniakea Supercluster - Cosmos
Verily, in article <xn0pnv56p61crgd001@post.eweka.nl>, did blueshirt@indigo.news deliver unto us this message:
I always thought they were lame... they became all-knowing
pompous bureaucrats... I hated it when the show dealt with
the Time Lords and/or events on Gallifrey. I just found that
stuff boring.
I liked the Gallifrey episodes as a kid, but it was probably
because they were special. If they'd set a whole era on
Gallifrey, that could have been dull.
The True Doctor wrote:
On 29/03/2026 18:06, Blueshirt wrote:
The True Doctor wrote:
On 28/03/2026 22:43, Blueshirt wrote:
Observations: The opening intro crawl was something
Star Wars did a year later. Co-incidence, or had George
Lucas seen this episode.
Hum... The opening crawl idea came from all those Flash
Gordon serials.
Can't recall them.
What? You can't recall Flash Gordon with Buster Crabbe? Shame
on you.
I meant I couldn't remember the episodes starting with the
crawl... I can - just about - remember Buster Crabbe as Flash
Gordon... I remember the 1980's film - and the Queen theme--
song - better though.
The True Melissa wrote:
Verily, in article <xn0pnv56p61crgd001@post.eweka.nl>, did
blueshirt@indigo.news deliver unto us this message:
I always thought they were lame... they became all-knowing
pompous bureaucrats... I hated it when the show dealt with
the Time Lords and/or events on Gallifrey. I just found that
stuff boring.
I liked the Gallifrey episodes as a kid, but it was probably
because they were special. If they'd set a whole era on
Gallifrey, that could have been dull.
Big Finish did a whole range of audios around the politics of
Gallifrey... it WAS dull!!!
On 30/03/2026 11:10, Blueshirt wrote:
The True Doctor wrote:
On 29/03/2026 18:06, Blueshirt wrote:
The True Doctor wrote:
On 28/03/2026 22:43, Blueshirt wrote:
Observations: The opening intro crawl was something
Star Wars did a year later. Co-incidence, or had George
Lucas seen this episode.
Hum... The opening crawl idea came from all those Flash
Gordon serials.
Can't recall them.
What? You can't recall Flash Gordon with Buster Crabbe? Shame
on you.
I meant I couldn't remember the episodes starting with the
crawl... I can - just about - remember Buster Crabbe as Flash
That would have been all of them after the cliffhangers.
https://youtu.be/wSrXv27VFpQ?si=VjL_whKyJcw01HBB&t=75
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m3peCx8pAIM&list=PL2gsu7VGzgdZgxGHfD3SXqQIiRbeHubYe
Looking at the production values for something that was made 40 years
before The Deadly Assassin it's wasn't Star Wars that that Doctor Who >couldn't compete with, it was everything that was made on film even
B-movie series from the 1930s which showed Doctor Who up. Even today
Flash Gordon has higher production values and more elaborate sets,
special effects and ensemble casts than the RTD Disney+ crap made 90
years later. Where did all the money go?
Gordon... I remember the 1980's film - and the Queen theme
song - better though.
----
The True Doctor https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCngrZwoS0n21IRcXpKO79Lw
"To be woke is to be uninformed which is exactly the opposite of what it >stands for." --William Shatner
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