• BBC feck up another classic TV show.

    From Mike Swift@mike.swift@yeton.co.uk to uk.media.tv.misc on Sun May 19 01:16:55 2024
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    Not content with turning Doctor Who into a modern woke fest they have
    now fecked up Rebus.

    The heralded "prequel" seems to take place in modern times, his
    assistant Siobhan is now, what a surprise, an Asian, plus the obligatory effing and jeffing and sex.

    I'm surprised Ian Ranking gave his name to this abomination.

    Not long re-watched the John Hannah, Ken Stott episodes which were
    brilliant, lost interest after 10 minutes of the new series.

    Mike
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  • From Jim the Geordie@jim@jimXscott.co.uk to uk.media.tv.misc on Sun May 19 23:52:35 2024
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    In article <UP1gWIA3TUSmFwRL@ntlworld.com>, mike.swift@yeton.co.uk
    says...

    Not content with turning Doctor Who into a modern woke fest they have
    now fecked up Rebus.

    The heralded "prequel" seems to take place in modern times, his
    assistant Siobhan is now, what a surprise, an Asian, plus the obligatory effing and jeffing and sex.

    I'm surprised Ian Ranking gave his name to this abomination.

    Not long re-watched the John Hannah, Ken Stott episodes which were brilliant, lost interest after 10 minutes of the new series.

    Mike

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  • From NY@me@privacy.invalid to uk.media.tv.misc on Mon May 20 19:41:33 2024
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    "Mike Swift" <mike.swift@yeton.co.uk> wrote in message news:UP1gWIA3TUSmFwRL@ntlworld.com...
    Not content with turning Doctor Who into a modern woke fest they have now fecked up Rebus.

    The heralded "prequel" seems to take place in modern times, his assistant Siobhan is now, what a surprise, an Asian, plus the obligatory effing and jeffing and sex.

    I'm surprised Ian Ranking gave his name to this abomination.

    Not long re-watched the John Hannah, Ken Stott episodes which were brilliant, lost interest after 10 minutes of the new series.

    TV has not treated Rebus kindly. The original episodes were fairly faithful
    to the books but used the most mis-cast actor in history. John Hannah is a good actor but he was too young, too cultured and not world-weary and
    grizzled enough to come anywhere close to the novels. Even he has admitted that he was probably mis-cast!

    When I read the novels, before seeing either of the original portrayals, I immediately thought of Ken Stott, having seen him in a one-off play about
    the Sally Army with Kevin Whately and Lesley Manville. And lo and behold the later stories used him. He was *exactly* as I had envisioned Rebus. And the actress who played Siobhan was gorgeous... Sadly they mucked around with the stories. Can't win :-(

    Can't comment on the latest Rebus, but Asian Siobhan is an interesting variation. Was Siobhan ever described in the novels in a way that would preclude her being non-white? Maybe it's like the Harry Potter films where everyone assumes that the main characters were white, both from reading the books and from later seeing the films, but a stage play has Hermione played
    by a black actress. Interesting development - could work well.

    Same as with the Inspector Banks (Peter Robinson) dramatisation. Stephen Tompkinson really wasn't right for the part - too abrasive and not given enough character attributes which made you care about him, in a way that book-Banks was. I went to see a couple of talks by Peter Robinson and "do
    you think Stephen Tompkinson matches your version of Banks" was a common question, and he bent over so far backwards to be diplomatic and fair that
    his true beliefs were obvious on the grounds of "the man doth protest too much". ;-)

    The one case where TV has improved on novels is the later Martin Shaw portrayals of Adam Dalgliesh in P D James's novels. P D James writes him as the most supercilious, patronising, emotionless man ever to walk this earth, which is odd when he was supposed to be a celebrated poet in his spare
    time - I bet his poetry was truly *dire*. Roy Marsden portrayed this faithfully, with added snideness. Hated that portrayal (and the novels) with
    a vengeance. The last two stories were dramatised much later, by BBC rather than by Anglia (ITV), with Martin Shaw. And Martin Shaw made him a likeable human being - what a breath of fresh air. For the first time I could see
    what his girlfriend Emma Lavenham would actually have found attractive in
    him. Book-Dalgliesh and Marsden-Dalgliesh really fail the "pint in a pub"
    test - of the various TV detectives, could I imagine spending half an hour with them over a pint in a pub. I fear that time would pass very slowly with Roy Marsden's Dalgliesh because he and I would have no common ground to talk about. Morse was erudite but he had a sense of humour and, at least in the books, he had a fondness for soft porn, giving him a human failing. Frost would be a laugh a minute because he is so direct and so scathing about
    senior management. Wexford would be benevolent, as long as he hadn't been
    made an old-fashioned un-PC fuddy-duddy as Ruth Rendell did in her later
    books which she described as "the political Wexfords" - pronounced
    poh-litical when I heard RR speak. She rather hammered home her bias in her late books, sadly. "Juliet Bravo" (two incarnations), Maggie Forbes (Gentle Touch) and various other TV detectives would be fine. But a pint with Marsden-Dalgliesh - heavens, no. Just no!

    Interestingly, I could see a lot of mannerisms of Marsden-Dalgliesh that
    were like my grandpa, who was a primary school headmaster. But I knew what
    his pupils didn't, that his stern-ness was a put-on job and that underneath that, in grandpa-mode, he had a wicked sense of humour. it would have been nice to see Marsden-Dalgliesh occasionally shed his aloof work persona.

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