I'm not going to say that Reform voters can't be Archers listeners any
more than I would say that umrats are obliged to listen to the
programme. But I think that Kat Brown has other ideas.
You can find the article here: <https://www.independent.co.uk/voices/the-archers-75th-anniversary-reform-uk-conference-b3044883.html>
...or more probably not, unless you have a paid-for subscription to
the Indie. In which case..
...there's an archived version of the article here:
https://archive.ph/oO9XL
Nick
I'm not going to say that Reform voters can't be Archers listeners any
more than I would say that umrats are obliged to listen to the
programme. But I think that Kat Brown has other ideas.
You can find the article here: <https://www.independent.co.uk/voices/the-archers-75th-anniversary-reform-uk-conference-b3044883.html>
...or more probably not, unless you have a paid-for subscription to
the Indie. In which case..
...there's an archived version of the article here:
https://archive.ph/oO9XL
Nick
... woker than a
Green Party voter sporting home-knitted tofu socks.
colour-blindness rings deeply false to me. Roy's and Piggy's prejudices[]
be more realistic (who am I kidding?) if that was also part of the conversation. It doesn't have to be prejudiced either way, just noticed.
Perhaps I just need to eat more tofu.
I absolutely do not believe that the average country pub is so heaving
with black men that the only defining characteristic is that they are good-looking. I think it would be more realistic (who am I kidding?) if
that was also part of the conversation. It doesn't have to be prejudiced either way, just noticed.
On 06/09/2026 12:46, Kate B wrote:
I absolutely do not believe that the average country pub is so heaving
with black men that the only defining characteristic is that they are
good-looking. I think it would be more realistic (who am I kidding?)
if that was also part of the conversation. It doesn't have to be
prejudiced either way, just noticed.
I don't know how "normal" I am but I realise that if I was to tell
someone about the lady I have met and chatted to at the bus stop a
couple of times recently I would automatically say "I met this black
lady ..." without any further mention of her skin colour.-a Similarly, if
I was aware that someone was not British I would almost certainly say
"The American I was talking to ..." or "There's a French person ..."
even though their nationality was of no relevance.
Apropos, there is one thing that really, really puzzles me. In spite of
the 'glacial' changes in eg Brian's opinion of Adam, the present colour- blindness rings deeply false to me. Roy's and Piggy's prejudices about
Usha were not only very long ago but have passed out of everyone's consciousness, and the Malik family have been unquestioningly accepted
apart from an initial token hiccup from the also otherwise thoroughly
odious Lawrence. No-one ever mentions that Lottie is black, and we
learnt from the cast photos that Conrad was, but all anyone actually
said was that he was very handsome, and I absolutely do not believe that
the average country pub is so heaving with black men that the only
defining characteristic is that they are good-looking. I think it would
be more realistic (who am I kidding?) if that was also part of the conversation. It doesn't have to be prejudiced either way, just noticed.
On 06/09/2026 00:35, Nick Odell wrote:
I'm not going to say that Reform voters can't be Archers listeners any
more than I would say that umrats are obliged to listen to the
programme. But I think that Kat Brown has other ideas.
You can find the article here:
<https://www.independent.co.uk/voices/the-archers-75th-anniversary-
reform-uk-conference-b3044883.html>
...or more probably not, unless you have a paid-for subscription to
the Indie. In which case..
...there's an archived version of the article here:
https://archive.ph/oO9XL
Nick
I suspect most of the Reformerati think the Archers is woker than a
Green Party voter sporting home-knitted tofu socks.
Apropos, there is one thing that really, really puzzles me. In spite of
the 'glacial' changes in eg Brian's opinion of Adam, the present colour- blindness rings deeply false to me. Roy's and Piggy's prejudices about
Usha were not only very long ago but have passed out of everyone's consciousness, and the Malik family have been unquestioningly accepted
apart from an initial token hiccup from the also otherwise thoroughly
odious Lawrence. No-one ever mentions that Lottie is black, and we
learnt from the cast photos that Conrad was, but all anyone actually
said was that he was very handsome, and I absolutely do not believe that
the average country pub is so heaving with black men that the only
defining characteristic is that they are good-looking. I think it would
be more realistic (who am I kidding?) if that was also part of the conversation. It doesn't have to be prejudiced either way, just noticed.
Perhaps I just need to eat more tofu.
On 06/09/2026 12:46, Kate B wrote:
I absolutely do not believe that the average country pub is so heaving
with black men that the only defining characteristic is that they are
good-looking. I think it would be more realistic (who am I kidding?) if
that was also part of the conversation. It doesn't have to be prejudiced
either way, just noticed.
I don't know how "normal" I am but I realise that if I was to tell
someone about the lady I have met and chatted to at the bus stop a
couple of times recently I would automatically say "I met this black
lady ..." without any further mention of her skin colour. Similarly, if
I was aware that someone was not British I would almost certainly say
"The American I was talking to ..." or "There's a French person ..."
even though their nationality was of no relevance.
[1]I'd really like to do a photo series of people who look like other
people and there are so many people who look like other people to
choose from. But I think it would be vaguely insulting to tell a
stranger that I'd like to photograph them - but only because they look
like somebody else.
On 07/09/2026 11:24, Nick Odell wrote:
[1]I'd really like to do a photo series of people who look like other
people and there are so many people who look like other people to
choose from. But I think it would be vaguely insulting to tell a
stranger that I'd like to photograph them - but only because they look
like somebody else.
I think that very much depends on who you think they look like (and
assumes that they aren't actually whoever you think they resemble).
It doesn't have to be prejudiced either way, just noticed.
By the same token, I didn't know that Lottie is black and can't remember
who Conrad is, even.
On 6.9.26 12:46, Kate B wrote:
It doesn't have to be prejudiced either way, just noticed.
Meghan, bless her, would opine otherwise. She made it clear that
Princess Anne was not allowed to note that the impending baby might have
a colour.
On 7.9.26 10:23, Jane Vernon wrote:
By the same token, I didn't know that Lottie is black and can't
remember who Conrad is, even.
Lottie is or perhaps was Chris's latest squeeze but they had a falling
out over him suggesting that one day they might move in together and we
were never told if the surgery receptionist had accepted the misunderstanding.
Conrad is allegedly a smooth talking car salesman who has taught George
all he knows at Bill's car showroom.-a He also fancies Fallon but not Lily.-a Fallon thought he was A) far too young and B) far too soon.-a He made it clear he prefers an older partner as has Lily (I think).
On Wed, 9 Sep 2026 10:38:06 +0100, Kosmo <krw@whitnet.uk> wrote:
On 6.9.26 12:46, Kate B wrote:
It doesn't have to be prejudiced either way, just noticed.
Meghan, bless her, would opine otherwise. She made it clear that
Princess Anne was not allowed to note that the impending baby might have
a colour.
Given the wide range of skin, hair and eye colour, texture and tone
amongst people we would normally think of as of white European stock,
would anybody be surprised to learn that I actually had to be told
that Megan considers herself to be black? Rachel Dolezal anybody?
Nick
I actually had to be told
that Megan considers herself to be black?
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