I've just tried to renew my driving licence (the photo runs out soon).
There's a new mechanism for logging into UK government things = it's got "One" in its name.
rCo It won't accept a landline number (it wants to send a code); there are systems - I thought at least one _was_ a government one - that would
read out such a code as speech.
rCo It wants you to get an "authenticator" ("app") - but tells you to go
look for one. The mind boggles as to how bad that is ...
rCo I eventually obeyed all their instructions, and set up a "Government
One" (or whatever it's called) login; ways to authenticate included both passport and driving licence. I've renewed my passport recently (but
long enough ago for its details to have propagated); for both documents,
it eventually came up with "unable to verify", or some such phrase.
That's with the real document in front of me, copying in the details
exactly. (I even let them mangle my address in the way they wanted to.)
rCo I thought I'd try the old "Government Gateway", which I still have.
But, assorted departments are transitioning to the new one - and DVLA is
one of those that will now _only_ accept login via the new system.
I can do it by post or at a post office, but those cost more.
Sorry, rant over - but this really is a bad system; it goes beyond just assuming everyone has a smartphone (high iOS number or Android 10 or
above), or making them feel really wormlike if they don't.
That's a couple of hours of my life I will not get back.
On 15/07/2026 23:55, J. P. Gilliver wrote:
I've just tried to renew my driving licence (the photo runs out soon).
There's a new mechanism for logging into UK government things = it's got
"One" in its name.
I attempted to use that system a little while back (I can't recall
_exactly_ why, but it did involve the DVLA).
I finally managed to get a log-in into the ONE system[1] - then tried to
use it to access the DVLA - which promptly dumped me back into the ONE system for me to set up... what I had just set up.
Lots of creative use of language on my part, and I abandoned the whole thing.
[1] Lots & lots of hoops to jump through - plus lots of gurning at my
phone before it grudgingly decided I was me (or so I thought).
That's a couple of hours of my life I will not get back.
I've just tried to renew my driving licence (the photo runs out soon).
There's a new mechanism for logging into UK government things = it's got "One" in its name.
rCo It won't accept a landline number (it wants to send a code); there are systems - I thought at least one_was_ a government one - that would
read out such a code as speech.
rCo It wants you to get an "authenticator" ("app") - but tells you to go
look for one. The mind boggles as to how bad that is .
there are two stages: getting a login (which I think I've done - it
needs use of that "authenticator" I had to go get every time I login),
and proving your identity. That's the bit that's failing for me
(currently waiting for a "team member" to be available).
Council. There was lots of advice (originating from the Govt. I think) about creating a good password and suggesting that a good one would[]
involve 3 words. Of course we're also told everywhere that one's
password must contain at least one number and one symbol. Then there
are the age-old commands: never write your passwords down and never use
the same password for different sites.
Well, I'm sorry but I am not Mrs Robot Memory Woman. I have a list of
I don't want anyone to give away any secrets but how does everyotherrat cope?
more on the "GOV.UK One" trainwreck:[]
On 15/07/2026 23:55, J. P. Gilliver wrote:
I've just tried to renew my driving licence (the photo runs out soon).
There's a new mechanism for logging into UK government things = it's got
"One" in its name.
o It won't accept a landline number (it wants to send a code); there are
systems - I thought at least one_was_ a government one - that would
read out such a code as speech.
o It wants you to get an "authenticator" ("app") - but tells you to go
look for one. The mind boggles as to how bad that is .
On a similar note, I recently found myself obliged to read some
instructions for creating a log-in for somewhere, possibly Wrexham
Council. There was lots of advice (originating from the Govt. I think) >about creating a good password and suggesting that a good one would
involve 3 words. Of course we're also told everywhere that one's
password must contain at least one number and one symbol. Then there
are the age-old commands: never write your passwords down and never use
the same password for different sites.
Well, I'm sorry but I am not Mrs Robot Memory Woman. I have a list of
126 password hints which is accessed with a password not used anywhere
else. Now surprise, surprise! In the 50 years since I first used a >computer I have been required to provide a password a helluva lot more
than 126 times and wouldn't be all that surprised if I need another 126 >before I kick the bucket (unless that happens a helluva lot sooner than
I am hoping for.)
I don't want anyone to give away any secrets but how does everyotherrat >cope?
On 16/07/2026 10:12, J. P. Gilliver wrote:
there are two stages: getting a login (which I think I've done - it
needs use of that "authenticator" I had to go get every time I login),
and proving your identity. That's the bit that's failing for me
(currently waiting for a "team member" to be available).
Forgive me if I've mentioned this before, but that sounds very familiar
to my experience with NHS Wales.-a I used to be able to log into a
website to order repeat prescriptions, check on appointments, etc.-a Then "they" said they were changing the system and I needed create an account
on a new site.-a I got as far as the bit where it asked for Photo ID.-a I don't have any of the documents mentioned so I went to Help, which began
by saying "If your Doctor is in England ..."-a Not terribly likely since this is NHS Wales we're talking about.-a Then it said "We're working on this..."-a Needless to say, my first thought was "wouldn't it be better
to have worked on this BEFORE setting up the new website?"
Time went by and another attempt to get a log-in failed but Help
informed me that I should talk to my GP Surgery.-a I tried to.-a They said "it's nothing to do with us ... you need to go online to NHS Wales."
I gave up.
I don't want anyone to give away any secrets but how does everyotherrat cope?
It's a landline number which I haven't had for several years.
On 16.7.26 19:37, Nick Odell wrote:
It's a landline number which I haven't had for several years.
When my landline went I arranged to pay something like u5 a month to
divert all such calls to my mobile in the likelihood that at some point
such an arrangement remains needed.
On Thu, 16 Jul 2026 22:01:27 +0100, Kosmo <krw@whitnet.uk> wrote:
On 16.7.26 19:37, Nick Odell wrote:
It's a landline number which I haven't had for several years.
When my landline went I arranged to pay something like -u5 a month to
divert all such calls to my mobile in the likelihood that at some point
such an arrangement remains needed.
Ah, well, I didn't. I had completely forgotten that I had given NS&I
my landline number until I tried to log in to them. I don't think I
had given it to any other organisation but I dare say I'll find out if
a similar situation arises elsewhere.
On 17.7.26 07:04, Nick Odell wrote:
On Thu, 16 Jul 2026 22:01:27 +0100, Kosmo <krw@whitnet.uk> wrote:
On 16.7.26 19:37, Nick Odell wrote:
It's a landline number which I haven't had for several years.
When my landline went I arranged to pay something like -u5 a month to
divert all such calls to my mobile in the likelihood that at some point
such an arrangement remains needed.
Ah, well, I didn't. I had completely forgotten that I had given NS&I
my landline number until I tried to log in to them. I don't think I
had given it to any other organisation but I dare say I'll find out if
a similar situation arises elsewhere.
I simply did not trust my memory to know who might know the number (or
have it written down) and for which is might be critical importance.
Can you imagine given everyone's concern over data protection what might happen if someone decided they wanted to publish a telephone directory
with your name and address and telephone number readily available to all
the residents in the same telephone area?
I have unique passwords for all the important accounts. (I'm ashamedKnowing you to be a traveller, how do you cope when travelling? I don't
to say that I use the same password over and over for on-line forums
and the like on the basis that there's nothing in those forums to
connect back to me (obviously umra isn't an on-line forum and it
doesn't count IMO)) The passwords are on a memory stick which is only inserted when I want to read them. I don't use proprietary apps: I go directly to the appropriate web site to sign in etc. Because I always
browse in "Private" mode, I trust that all transaction details are
deleted when I close the browser.
On 16/07/2026 19:37, Nick Odell wrote:
I have unique passwords for all the important accounts. (I'm ashamedKnowing you to be a traveller, how do you cope when travelling?-a I don't take my laptop with me, just my iPad and iPhone, neither of which takes
to say that I use the same password over and over for on-line forums
and the like on the basis that there's nothing in those forums to
connect back to me (obviously umra isn't an on-line forum and it
doesn't count IMO)) The passwords are on a memory stick which is only
inserted when I want to read them. I don't use proprietary apps: I go
directly to the appropriate web site to sign in etc. Because I always
browse in "Private" mode, I trust that all transaction details are
deleted when I close the browser.
a USB plug such as you find on the end of memory sticks.
On 17.7.26 10:54, Jane Vernon wrote:
On 16/07/2026 19:37, Nick Odell wrote:
I have unique passwords for all the important accounts. (I'm ashamedKnowing you to be a traveller, how do you cope when travelling?-a I
to say that I use the same password over and over for on-line forums
and the like on the basis that there's nothing in those forums to
connect back to me (obviously umra isn't an on-line forum and it
doesn't count IMO)) The passwords are on a memory stick which is only
inserted when I want to read them. I don't use proprietary apps: I go
directly to the appropriate web site to sign in etc. Because I always
browse in "Private" mode, I trust that all transaction details are
deleted when I close the browser.
don't take my laptop with me, just my iPad and iPhone, neither of
which takes a USB plug such as you find on the end of memory sticks.
These days one can get usb-c sticks I believe:
https://www.amazon.co.uk/SanDisk-Android-smartphone-reversible- connectors/dp/B07YYJL21Z/ref=sr_1_12?
On 17/07/2026 11:01, Kosmo wrote:
On 17.7.26 10:54, Jane Vernon wrote:
On 16/07/2026 19:37, Nick Odell wrote:
I have unique passwords for all the important accounts. (I'm ashamedKnowing you to be a traveller, how do you cope when travelling?-a I
to say that I use the same password over and over for on-line forums
and the like on the basis that there's nothing in those forums to
connect back to me (obviously umra isn't an on-line forum and it
doesn't count IMO)) The passwords are on a memory stick which is only
inserted when I want to read them. I don't use proprietary apps: I go
directly to the appropriate web site to sign in etc. Because I always
browse in "Private" mode, I trust that all transaction details are
deleted when I close the browser.
don't take my laptop with me, just my iPad and iPhone, neither of
which takes a USB plug such as you find on the end of memory sticks.
These days one can get usb-c sticks I believe:
https://www.amazon.co.uk/SanDisk-Android-smartphone-reversible-
connectors/dp/B07YYJL21Z/ref=sr_1_12?
Ooh, thank you!
Can you imagine given everyone's concern over data protection what might happen if someone decided they wanted to publish a telephone directory
with your name and address and telephone number readily available to all
the residents in the same telephone area?
On 16/07/2026 10:12, J. P. Gilliver wrote:
there are two stages: getting a login (which I think I've done - it
needs use of that "authenticator" I had to go get every time I login),
and proving your identity. That's the bit that's failing for me
(currently waiting for a "team member" to be available).
Forgive me if I've mentioned this before, but that sounds very familiar
to my experience with NHS Wales.-a I used to be able to log into a
website to order repeat prescriptions, check on appointments, etc.-a Then "they" said they were changing the system and I needed create an account
on a new site.-a I got as far as the bit where it asked for Photo ID.-a I don't have any of the documents mentioned so I went to Help, which began
by saying "If your Doctor is in England ..."-a Not terribly likely since this is NHS Wales we're talking about.-a Then it said "We're working on this..."-a Needless to say, my first thought was "wouldn't it be better
to have worked on this BEFORE setting up the new website?"
Time went by and another attempt to get a log-in failed but Help--
informed me that I should talk to my GP Surgery.-a I tried to.-a They said "it's nothing to do with us ... you need to go online to NHS Wales."
I gave up.
On Thu, 16 Jul 2026 22:01:27 +0100, Kosmo <krw@whitnet.uk> wrote:
On 16.7.26 19:37, Nick Odell wrote:
It's a landline number which I haven't had for several years.
When my landline went I arranged to pay something like -u5 a month to
divert all such calls to my mobile in the likelihood that at some point
such an arrangement remains needed.
Ah, well, I didn't. I had completely forgotten that I had given NS&I
my landline number until I tried to log in to them. I don't think I
had given it to any other organisation but I dare say I'll find out if
a similar situation arises elsewhere.
Nick.
Kosmo <krw@whitnet.uk> wrote:[]
I simply did not trust my memory to know who might know the number (or
have it written down) and for which is might be critical importance.
Can you imagine given everyone's concern over data protection what might
happen if someone decided they wanted to publish a telephone directory
with your name and address and telephone number readily available to all
the residents in the same telephone area?
I donrCOt give a jot about any of this really, after all according to the software that Gov Uk On Line One Log In use, they reckon my passport (my
only acceptable method of proof of ID), clearly informs them I wonrCOt be born until 2047! (Archive search may reveal this thread if you look)
On 17/07/2026 11:01, Kosmo wrote:[]
On 17.7.26 10:54, Jane Vernon wrote:
On 16/07/2026 19:37, Nick Odell wrote:
[]doesn't count IMO)) The passwords are on a memory stick which is only
Knowing you to be a traveller, how do you cope when travelling?-a I
don't take my laptop with me, just my iPad and iPhone, neither of
which takes a USB plug such as you find on the end of memory sticks.
These days one can get usb-c sticks I believe:
https://www.amazon.co.uk/SanDisk-Android-smartphone-reversible-
connectors/dp/B07YYJL21Z/ref=sr_1_12?
Ooh, thank you!
On 2026/7/17 12:22:32, Jane Vernon wrote:
On 17/07/2026 11:01, Kosmo wrote:[]
On 17.7.26 10:54, Jane Vernon wrote:
On 16/07/2026 19:37, Nick Odell wrote:
[]doesn't count IMO)) The passwords are on a memory stick which is only
Wondering how to get some images into a friend's tablet which only has a USB-C connector (I'd done some genealogy for her and wanted to give herKnowing you to be a traveller, how do you cope when travelling?-a I
don't take my laptop with me, just my iPad and iPhone, neither of
which takes a USB plug such as you find on the end of memory sticks.
These days one can get usb-c sticks I believe:
https://www.amazon.co.uk/SanDisk-Android-smartphone-reversible-
connectors/dp/B07YYJL21Z/ref=sr_1_12?
Ooh, thank you!
the document images; didn't happen in the end), I found a memory stick
in the Argos in my local Sainsbury that has a normal USB connector (it's called type A, I think) on one end, and a C one on the other; it's made
by Lexar, and would have been IIRR about 23 pounds, for 128 GB.
On 16.7.26 19:37, Nick Odell wrote:
It's a landline number which I haven't had for several years.
When my landline went I arranged to pay something like -u5 a month to
divert all such calls to my mobile in the likelihood that at some point
such an arrangement remains needed.
On 2026/7/17 7:4:52, Nick Odell wrote:
On Thu, 16 Jul 2026 22:01:27 +0100, Kosmo <krw@whitnet.uk> wrote:
On 16.7.26 19:37, Nick Odell wrote:
It's a landline number which I haven't had for several years.
When my landline went I arranged to pay something like -u5 a month to
divert all such calls to my mobile in the likelihood that at some point
such an arrangement remains needed.
I think a fiver a month will get you a VoIP account including a certain number of minutes. (Or did you only do it for a limited time?)
Ah, well, I didn't. I had completely forgotten that I had given NS&I
my landline number until I tried to log in to them. I don't think I
had given it to any other organisation but I dare say I'll find out if
a similar situation arises elsewhere.
Nick.
Getting logged in (or registering, or whatever you call it) seems to be
being made increasingly difficult (especially without a smartphone); I
do feel for the non-techy. (And feel organisations - at the very least, government/NHS ones - should be _obliged_ to provide alternatives, and
ones that don't make the person requesting them feel bad.)
Kosmo <krw@whitnet.uk> wrote:
On 17.7.26 07:04, Nick Odell wrote:
On Thu, 16 Jul 2026 22:01:27 +0100, Kosmo <krw@whitnet.uk> wrote:
On 16.7.26 19:37, Nick Odell wrote:
It's a landline number which I haven't had for several years.
When my landline went I arranged to pay something like -u5 a month to
divert all such calls to my mobile in the likelihood that at some point >>>> such an arrangement remains needed.
Ah, well, I didn't. I had completely forgotten that I had given NS&I
my landline number until I tried to log in to them. I don't think I
had given it to any other organisation but I dare say I'll find out if
a similar situation arises elsewhere.
I simply did not trust my memory to know who might know the number (or
have it written down) and for which is might be critical importance.
Can you imagine given everyone's concern over data protection what might
happen if someone decided they wanted to publish a telephone directory
with your name and address and telephone number readily available to all
the residents in the same telephone area?
I donrCOt give a jot about any of this really, after all according to the software that Gov Uk On Line One Log In use, they reckon my passport (my
only acceptable method of proof of ID), clearly informs them I wonrCOt be born until 2047! (Archive search may reveal this thread if you look)
I donrCOt give a jot about any of this really, after all according to the software that Gov Uk On Line One Log In use, they reckon my passport (my
only acceptable method of proof of ID), clearly informs them I wonrCOt be born until 2047! (Archive search may reveal this thread if you look)
On 17/07/2026 18:54, J. P. Gilliver wrote:[]
Wondering how to get some images into a friend's tablet which only has a
USB-C connector (I'd done some genealogy for her and wanted to give her
the document images; didn't happen in the end), I found a memory stick
in the Argos in my local Sainsbury that has a normal USB connector (it's
called type A, I think) on one end, and a C one on the other; it's made
by Lexar, and would have been IIRR about 23 pounds, for 128 GB.
I think USB-C *is* normal, these days. It's now the EU standard, so even
the mighty Apple is having to use it.
On 16/07/2026 22:01, Kosmo wrote:
On 16.7.26 19:37, Nick Odell wrote:I transferred our landline number to a VOIP provider (A&A) and now pay >(IIRC) u1.87 per month.
It's a landline number which I haven't had for several years.
When my landline went I arranged to pay something like u5 a month to
divert all such calls to my mobile in the likelihood that at some point
such an arrangement remains needed.
There is no phone attached to that number, but A&A send me an email with
a recording of any received calls.
That lets me see who called and I can phone them back if necessary.
On Fri, 17 Jul 2026 19:57:49 +0100, Sam Plusnet <not@home.com> wrote:
On 16/07/2026 22:01, Kosmo wrote:
On 16.7.26 19:37, Nick Odell wrote:I transferred our landline number to a VOIP provider (A&A) and now pay
It's a landline number which I haven't had for several years.
When my landline went I arranged to pay something like -u5 a month to
divert all such calls to my mobile in the likelihood that at some point >>> such an arrangement remains needed.
(IIRC) -u1.87 per month.
There is no phone attached to that number, but A&A send me an email with
a recording of any received calls.
That lets me see who called and I can phone them back if necessary.
We still have our landline and a phone attached to that number.We no
longer pay for BBC stuff. I just get older programmes anow and then
they send me a letter suggesting I use BBC stuff and should pay the
annual fee. I listen to TA on sounds not when broadcast.
On 2026/7/17 8:54:26, Mike McMillan wrote:
Kosmo <krw@whitnet.uk> wrote:[]
I simply did not trust my memory to know who might know the number (or
have it written down) and for which is might be critical importance.
Can you imagine given everyone's concern over data protection what might >>> happen if someone decided they wanted to publish a telephone directory
with your name and address and telephone number readily available to all >>> the residents in the same telephone area?
Then there's the idea of piping an explosive gas, under pressure, into
more or less every household. How on earth did _that_ get through!
I was surprised to see (I renewed mine in the last month or so - and
I donrCOt give a jot about any of this really, after all according to the
software that Gov Uk On Line One Log In use, they reckon my passport (my
only acceptable method of proof of ID), clearly informs them I wonrCOt be >> born until 2047! (Archive search may reveal this thread if you look)
_that_ went fairly trouble-free) that the passport details page still
uses two-digit years (for my YOB and the expiry date).
I transferred our landline number to a VOIP provider (A&A) and now pay (IIRC) -u1.87 per month.
There is no phone attached to that number, but A&A send me an email with
a recording of any received calls.
That lets me see who called and I can phone them back if necessary.
On 16/07/2026 19:37, Nick Odell wrote:
I have unique passwords for all the important accounts. (I'm ashamedKnowing you to be a traveller, how do you cope when travelling? I don't >take my laptop with me, just my iPad and iPhone, neither of which takes
to say that I use the same password over and over for on-line forums
and the like on the basis that there's nothing in those forums to
connect back to me (obviously umra isn't an on-line forum and it
doesn't count IMO)) The passwords are on a memory stick which is only
inserted when I want to read them. I don't use proprietary apps: I go
directly to the appropriate web site to sign in etc. Because I always
browse in "Private" mode, I trust that all transaction details are
deleted when I close the browser.
a USB plug such as you find on the end of memory sticks.
On 17.7.26 07:04, Nick Odell wrote:
On Thu, 16 Jul 2026 22:01:27 +0100, Kosmo <krw@whitnet.uk> wrote:
On 16.7.26 19:37, Nick Odell wrote:
It's a landline number which I haven't had for several years.
When my landline went I arranged to pay something like u5 a month to
divert all such calls to my mobile in the likelihood that at some point
such an arrangement remains needed.
Ah, well, I didn't. I had completely forgotten that I had given NS&I
my landline number until I tried to log in to them. I don't think I
had given it to any other organisation but I dare say I'll find out if
a similar situation arises elsewhere.
I simply did not trust my memory to know who might know the number (or
have it written down) and for which is might be critical importance.
Can you imagine given everyone's concern over data protection what might >happen if someone decided they wanted to publish a telephone directory
with your name and address and telephone number readily available to all
the residents in the same telephone area?
On 17/07/2026 18:45, J. P. Gilliver wrote:[]
I was surprised to see (I renewed mine in the last month or so - and
_that_ went fairly trouble-free) that the passport details page still
uses two-digit years (for my YOB and the expiry date).
Assuming you are still alive when you go through immigration it should
be obvious which century you were born in. That and the design of the passport should make the century of expiry obvious.
I'm in wait and see mode about
passkeys.
On 16/07/2026 22:01, Kosmo wrote:
On 16.7.26 19:37, Nick Odell wrote:I transferred our landline number to a VOIP provider (A&A) and now pay (IIRC) -u1.87 per month.
It's a landline number which I haven't had for several years.
When my landline went I arranged to pay something like -u5 a month to
divert all such calls to my mobile in the likelihood that at some
point such an arrangement remains needed.
There is no phone attached to that number, but A&A send me an email with
a recording of any received calls.
That lets me see who called and I can phone them back if necessary.
On 18.7.26 10:48, Nick Odell wrote:
I'm in wait and see mode about
passkeys.
I am trying to avoid them like the plague.-a Microsoft now default to
asking for a passkey when i want to enter a password.-a Why oh why change
it when I doubt it makes much difference.
Does everyone still remember the BBC Micro random number generator? It
always came up with the same random number to start with and most unstructured attempts at randomness are similarly anything but.
Swerving back to the original point about ONE login, I set it up
recently without any trouble, using my ePassport iirc [1] and renewed my driving licence successfully.
However I can understand the reluctance to use it. That nice Mr. Burnham
has cancelled the idea of Digital Ids (allegedly) and an organisation
called #Together (setup during Covid to oppose Lockdowns and similar sillinesses) claims that their campaign might have had some influence on this.
They are now concerned that it will be brought in through the backdoor,
so umrats with similar concerns might want to join or subscribe to their emails and support their campaign:
"Getting the official Digital ID scheme scrapped is a major victory -
but it is only the first step.
We must also ensure that connected systems such as GOV UK One Login, the
GOV UK App and Government Wallet cannot evolve into a de facto Digital
ID through expansion, function creep or the erosion of offline alternatives.
The real test is not what the system is called, but what it can do, how widely it can be used, and whether people remain free to live their
lives without relying on - or being forced into - it.
That's why we're asking for your help, by joining us as a member today."
<https://togetherdeclaration.org/>
[1] Umrats might recall a long rant last year about a similar online
French system for notifying them that I am still breathing (just) and so they should continue sending me my French pensions - well I tried again earlier this year and it worked seamlessly.
BrritSki <rtilbury@gmail.com> wrote:
Swerving back to the original point about ONE login, I set it up
recently without any trouble, using my ePassport iirc [1] and renewed my
driving licence successfully.
However I can understand the reluctance to use it. That nice Mr. Burnham
has cancelled the idea of Digital Ids (allegedly) and an organisation
called #Together (setup during Covid to oppose Lockdowns and similar
sillinesses) claims that their campaign might have had some influence on
this.
They are now concerned that it will be brought in through the backdoor,
so umrats with similar concerns might want to join or subscribe to their
emails and support their campaign:
"Getting the official Digital ID scheme scrapped is a major victory -
but it is only the first step.
We must also ensure that connected systems such as GOV UK One Login, the
GOV UK App and Government Wallet cannot evolve into a de facto Digital
ID through expansion, function creep or the erosion of offline alternatives. >>
The real test is not what the system is called, but what it can do, how
widely it can be used, and whether people remain free to live their
lives without relying on - or being forced into - it.
That's why we're asking for your help, by joining us as a member today."
<https://togetherdeclaration.org/>
[1] Umrats might recall a long rant last year about a similar online
French system for notifying them that I am still breathing (just) and so
they should continue sending me my French pensions - well I tried again
earlier this year and it worked seamlessly.
As I see it, the problems are created by the likes of (in my case at least) HMRC relying on GovUk One Login to do their donkey work for them. rCyYou canrCOt enter here unless One Login has passed you as legit. Now the consequence of that is that the One Login site is crap and fails to recognise when it itself has failed due to stupidity. (Remember, they say I was born in 2047 because they have mangled the data provided by the
passport embedded chip, despite the fact that the photo page states DOB as
in 1947). Whether this problem is due to the use of a two digit year identifier, I am past caring;all I know is that I repeatedly (no matter how many times I have tried). receive silly messages about rCySorry, something went wrong - please take your photo again, and silly messages that infer I have done other things incorrectly and I should start all over again. This
is all down to problems with the One Login app and when writing to them to explain and request help, all I am told is that for rCysecurity reasonsrCO they
cannot divulge what went wrong. When I contact HMRC and explain, like One Login, they just reply with more excuses about having to have my ID
approved by One Login before I can progress. Both parties (helpfully?) provide links that take me round in circles and go nowhere at all. In the
end I complain to either party with a long explanation, I receive an acknowledgment of my email, then rCarCa.Nugger All!!!
On 20/07/2026 16:28, Mike McMillan wrote:
BrritSki <rtilbury@gmail.com> wrote:Blimey, what a mess !
Swerving back to the original point about ONE login, I set it up
recently without any trouble, using my ePassport iirc [1] and renewed my >>> driving licence successfully.
However I can understand the reluctance to use it. That nice Mr. Burnham >>> has cancelled the idea of Digital Ids (allegedly) and an organisation
called #Together (setup during Covid to oppose Lockdowns and similar
sillinesses) claims that their campaign might have had some influence on >>> this.
They are now concerned that it will be brought in through the backdoor,
so umrats with similar concerns might want to join or subscribe to their >>> emails and support their campaign:
"Getting the official Digital ID scheme scrapped is a major victory -
but it is only the first step.
We must also ensure that connected systems such as GOV UK One Login, the >>> GOV UK App and Government Wallet cannot evolve into a de facto Digital
ID through expansion, function creep or the erosion of offline alternatives.
The real test is not what the system is called, but what it can do, how
widely it can be used, and whether people remain free to live their
lives without relying on - or being forced into - it.
That's why we're asking for your help, by joining us as a member today." >>>
<https://togetherdeclaration.org/>
[1] Umrats might recall a long rant last year about a similar online
French system for notifying them that I am still breathing (just) and so >>> they should continue sending me my French pensions - well I tried again
earlier this year and it worked seamlessly.
As I see it, the problems are created by the likes of (in my case at least) >> HMRC relying on GovUk One Login to do their donkey work for them. rCyYou
canrCOt enter here unless One Login has passed you as legit. Now the
consequence of that is that the One Login site is crap and fails to
recognise when it itself has failed due to stupidity. (Remember, they say I >> was born in 2047 because they have mangled the data provided by the
passport embedded chip, despite the fact that the photo page states DOB as >> in 1947). Whether this problem is due to the use of a two digit year
identifier, I am past caring;all I know is that I repeatedly (no matter how >> many times I have tried). receive silly messages about rCySorry, something >> went wrong - please take your photo again, and silly messages that infer I >> have done other things incorrectly and I should start all over again. This >> is all down to problems with the One Login app and when writing to them to >> explain and request help, all I am told is that for rCysecurity reasonsrCO they
cannot divulge what went wrong. When I contact HMRC and explain, like One
Login, they just reply with more excuses about having to have my ID
approved by One Login before I can progress. Both parties (helpfully?)
provide links that take me round in circles and go nowhere at all. In the
end I complain to either party with a long explanation, I receive an
acknowledgment of my email, then rCarCa.Nugger All!!!
All I can suggest is to tell them you can't provide a tax return
(assuming you complete one) until it's sorted as you can't login.
Although I have logged in to do mine this year with the Gov't Gateway as usual.
I will not be submitting my return until as late as possible to see if
HMRC correct the error in the State Pension calculation, whereby they charged you the full 52 weeks at the new rate rather than 1 at the old
rate and 51 at the new.
It may not sound much, but I went through my records and with my pension
I overpaid tax on almost -u300. If you add compound interest at the HMRC rate of 7.5% it comes to a total of -u380, so -u76 tax collected in error.
All they've said is that they've corrected it for this year...
As I see it, the problems are created by the likes of (in my case at least) HMRC relying on GovUk One Login to do their donkey work for them. rCyYou
canrCOt enter here unless One Login has passed you as legit. Now the[]
provide links that take me round in circles and go nowhere at all. In the
end I complain to either party with a long explanation, I receive an acknowledgment of my email, then rCarCa.Nugger All!!!
BrritSki <rtilbury@gmail.com> wrote:
On 20/07/2026 16:28, Mike McMillan wrote:
BrritSki <rtilbury@gmail.com> wrote:Blimey, what a mess !
Swerving back to the original point about ONE login, I set it up
recently without any trouble, using my ePassport iirc [1] and renewed my >>>> driving licence successfully.
However I can understand the reluctance to use it. That nice Mr. Burnham >>>> has cancelled the idea of Digital Ids (allegedly) and an organisation
called #Together (setup during Covid to oppose Lockdowns and similar
sillinesses) claims that their campaign might have had some influence on >>>> this.
They are now concerned that it will be brought in through the backdoor, >>>> so umrats with similar concerns might want to join or subscribe to their >>>> emails and support their campaign:
"Getting the official Digital ID scheme scrapped is a major victory -
but it is only the first step.
We must also ensure that connected systems such as GOV UK One Login, the >>>> GOV UK App and Government Wallet cannot evolve into a de facto Digital >>>> ID through expansion, function creep or the erosion of offline alternatives.
The real test is not what the system is called, but what it can do, how >>>> widely it can be used, and whether people remain free to live their
lives without relying on - or being forced into - it.
That's why we're asking for your help, by joining us as a member today." >>>>
<https://togetherdeclaration.org/>
[1] Umrats might recall a long rant last year about a similar online
French system for notifying them that I am still breathing (just) and so >>>> they should continue sending me my French pensions - well I tried again >>>> earlier this year and it worked seamlessly.
As I see it, the problems are created by the likes of (in my case at least) >>> HMRC relying on GovUk One Login to do their donkey work for them. rCyYou >>> canrCOt enter here unless One Login has passed you as legit. Now the
consequence of that is that the One Login site is crap and fails to
recognise when it itself has failed due to stupidity. (Remember, they say I >>> was born in 2047 because they have mangled the data provided by the
passport embedded chip, despite the fact that the photo page states DOB as >>> in 1947). Whether this problem is due to the use of a two digit year
identifier, I am past caring;all I know is that I repeatedly (no matter how >>> many times I have tried). receive silly messages about rCySorry, something >>> went wrong - please take your photo again, and silly messages that infer I >>> have done other things incorrectly and I should start all over again. This >>> is all down to problems with the One Login app and when writing to them to >>> explain and request help, all I am told is that for rCysecurity reasonsrCO they
cannot divulge what went wrong. When I contact HMRC and explain, like One >>> Login, they just reply with more excuses about having to have my ID
approved by One Login before I can progress. Both parties (helpfully?)
provide links that take me round in circles and go nowhere at all. In the >>> end I complain to either party with a long explanation, I receive an
acknowledgment of my email, then rCarCa.Nugger All!!!
All I can suggest is to tell them you can't provide a tax return
(assuming you complete one) until it's sorted as you can't login.
Although I have logged in to do mine this year with the Gov't Gateway as
usual.
I will not be submitting my return until as late as possible to see if
HMRC correct the error in the State Pension calculation, whereby they
charged you the full 52 weeks at the new rate rather than 1 at the old
rate and 51 at the new.
It may not sound much, but I went through my records and with my pension
I overpaid tax on almost -u300. If you add compound interest at the HMRC
rate of 7.5% it comes to a total of -u380, so -u76 tax collected in error. >>
All they've said is that they've corrected it for this year...
I had my rCyaccountrCO on line earlier this year but when I tried to login approx 2 months ago, the site refused my credentials and after more
attempts to enter the HMRC site, I accepted their procedure and invitation
to rCyI have forgotten my passwordrCO and reset it. That was the last time I could even see beyond the opening screenful. Because I have the cheek to be
a basic , honest British citizen who happens to be unable to drive and have never possessed any of the other means of ID, I have to follow the route to prove I am me via that one document, my passport. BTW, I only obtained a passport for the porpoises of ID - I have never travelled with it! HMRC
will accept nothing else from me, will not converse with me and insist on
the stupid One Login route which does not work!
We have just appointed an accountant as neither of us can see well enough
to navigate the HMRC website confidently and without risk of making unforgivable errors due to missing a box or two. It will be interesting to see how well the accountant gets on accessing my accountrCa
BrritSki <rtilbury@gmail.com> wrote:
On 20/07/2026 16:28, Mike McMillan wrote:
BrritSki <rtilbury@gmail.com> wrote:Blimey, what a mess !
Swerving back to the original point about ONE login, I set it up
recently without any trouble, using my ePassport iirc [1] and renewed my >>>> driving licence successfully.
However I can understand the reluctance to use it. That nice Mr. Burnham >>>> has cancelled the idea of Digital Ids (allegedly) and an organisation
called #Together (setup during Covid to oppose Lockdowns and similar
sillinesses) claims that their campaign might have had some influence on >>>> this.
They are now concerned that it will be brought in through the backdoor, >>>> so umrats with similar concerns might want to join or subscribe to their >>>> emails and support their campaign:
"Getting the official Digital ID scheme scrapped is a major victory -
but it is only the first step.
We must also ensure that connected systems such as GOV UK One Login, the >>>> GOV UK App and Government Wallet cannot evolve into a de facto Digital >>>> ID through expansion, function creep or the erosion of offline alternatives.
The real test is not what the system is called, but what it can do, how >>>> widely it can be used, and whether people remain free to live their
lives without relying on - or being forced into - it.
That's why we're asking for your help, by joining us as a member today." >>>>
<https://togetherdeclaration.org/>
[1] Umrats might recall a long rant last year about a similar online
French system for notifying them that I am still breathing (just) and so >>>> they should continue sending me my French pensions - well I tried again >>>> earlier this year and it worked seamlessly.
As I see it, the problems are created by the likes of (in my case at least) >>> HMRC relying on GovUk One Login to do their donkey work for them. rCyYou >>> canrCOt enter here unless One Login has passed you as legit. Now the
consequence of that is that the One Login site is crap and fails to
recognise when it itself has failed due to stupidity. (Remember, they say I >>> was born in 2047 because they have mangled the data provided by the
passport embedded chip, despite the fact that the photo page states DOB as >>> in 1947). Whether this problem is due to the use of a two digit year
identifier, I am past caring;all I know is that I repeatedly (no matter how >>> many times I have tried). receive silly messages about rCySorry, something >>> went wrong - please take your photo again, and silly messages that infer I >>> have done other things incorrectly and I should start all over again. This >>> is all down to problems with the One Login app and when writing to them to >>> explain and request help, all I am told is that for rCysecurity reasonsrCO they
cannot divulge what went wrong. When I contact HMRC and explain, like One >>> Login, they just reply with more excuses about having to have my ID
approved by One Login before I can progress. Both parties (helpfully?)
provide links that take me round in circles and go nowhere at all. In the >>> end I complain to either party with a long explanation, I receive an
acknowledgment of my email, then rCarCa.Nugger All!!!
All I can suggest is to tell them you can't provide a tax return
(assuming you complete one) until it's sorted as you can't login.
Although I have logged in to do mine this year with the Gov't Gateway as
usual.
I will not be submitting my return until as late as possible to see if
HMRC correct the error in the State Pension calculation, whereby they
charged you the full 52 weeks at the new rate rather than 1 at the old
rate and 51 at the new.
It may not sound much, but I went through my records and with my pension
I overpaid tax on almost -u300. If you add compound interest at the HMRC
rate of 7.5% it comes to a total of -u380, so -u76 tax collected in error. >>
All they've said is that they've corrected it for this year...
I had my rCyaccountrCO on line earlier this year but when I tried to login approx 2 months ago, the site refused my credentials and after more
attempts to enter the HMRC site, I accepted their procedure and invitation
to rCyI have forgotten my passwordrCO and reset it. That was the last time I could even see beyond the opening screenful. Because I have the cheek to be
a basic , honest British citizen who happens to be unable to drive and have never possessed any of the other means of ID, I have to follow the route to prove I am me via that one document, my passport. BTW, I only obtained a passport for the porpoises of ID - I have never travelled with it! HMRC
will accept nothing else from me, will not converse with me and insist on
the stupid One Login route which does not work!
We have just appointed an accountant as neither of us can see well enough
to navigate the HMRC website confidently and without risk of making unforgivable errors due to missing a box or two. It will be interesting to see how well the accountant gets on accessing my accountrCa
On 20/07/2026 16:28, Mike McMillan wrote:
Blimey, what a mess !
As I see it, the problems are created by the likes of (in my case at
least)
HMRC relying on GovUk One Login to do their donkey work for them. rCyYou
canrCOt enter here unless One Login has passed you as legit. Now the
consequence of that is that the One Login-a site is crap and fails to
recognise when it itself has failed due to stupidity. (Remember, they
say I
was born in 2047 because they have mangled the data provided by the
passport embedded chip, despite the fact that the photo page states
DOB as
in 1947). Whether this problem is due to the use of a two digit year
identifier, I am past caring;all I know is that I repeatedly (no
matter how
many times I have tried). receive silly messages about rCySorry, something >> went wrong - please take your photo again, and silly messages that
infer I
have done other things incorrectly and I should start all over again.
This
is all down to problems with the One Login app and when writing to
them to
explain and request help, all I am told is that for rCysecurity reasonsrCO >> they
cannot divulge what went wrong. When I contact HMRC and explain, like One
Login, they just reply with more excuses about having to have my ID
approved by One Login before I can progress. Both parties (helpfully?)
provide links that take me round in circles and go nowhere at all. In the
end I complain to either party with a long explanation, I receive an
acknowledgment of my email, then rCarCa.Nugger All!!!
All I can suggest is to tell them you can't provide a tax return
(assuming you complete one) until it's sorted as you can't login.
Although I have logged in to do mine this year with the Gov't Gateway as usual.
I will not be submitting my return until as late as possible to see if
HMRC correct the error in the State Pension calculation, whereby they charged you the full 52 weeks at the new rate rather than 1 at the old
rate and 51 at the new.
It may not sound much, but I went through my records and with my pension
I overpaid tax on almost -u300. If you add compound interest at the HMRC rate of 7.5% it comes to a total of -u380, so -u76 tax collected in error.
All they've said is that they've corrected it for this year...
On 20/07/2026 17:19, Mike McMillan wrote:
BrritSki <rtilbury@gmail.com> wrote:I believe accountants have their own access - you'll get a letter from
On 20/07/2026 16:28, Mike McMillan wrote:
BrritSki <rtilbury@gmail.com> wrote:Blimey, what a mess !
Swerving back to the original point about ONE login, I set it up
recently without any trouble, using my ePassport iirc [1] and renewed my >>>>> driving licence successfully.
However I can understand the reluctance to use it. That nice Mr. Burnham >>>>> has cancelled the idea of Digital Ids (allegedly) and an organisation >>>>> called #Together (setup during Covid to oppose Lockdowns and similar >>>>> sillinesses) claims that their campaign might have had some influence on >>>>> this.
They are now concerned that it will be brought in through the backdoor, >>>>> so umrats with similar concerns might want to join or subscribe to their >>>>> emails and support their campaign:
"Getting the official Digital ID scheme scrapped is a major victory - >>>>> but it is only the first step.
We must also ensure that connected systems such as GOV UK One Login, the >>>>> GOV UK App and Government Wallet cannot evolve into a de facto Digital >>>>> ID through expansion, function creep or the erosion of offline alternatives.
The real test is not what the system is called, but what it can do, how >>>>> widely it can be used, and whether people remain free to live their
lives without relying on - or being forced into - it.
That's why we're asking for your help, by joining us as a member today." >>>>>
<https://togetherdeclaration.org/>
[1] Umrats might recall a long rant last year about a similar online >>>>> French system for notifying them that I am still breathing (just) and so >>>>> they should continue sending me my French pensions - well I tried again >>>>> earlier this year and it worked seamlessly.
As I see it, the problems are created by the likes of (in my case at least)
HMRC relying on GovUk One Login to do their donkey work for them. rCyYou >>>> canrCOt enter here unless One Login has passed you as legit. Now the
consequence of that is that the One Login site is crap and fails to
recognise when it itself has failed due to stupidity. (Remember, they say I
was born in 2047 because they have mangled the data provided by the
passport embedded chip, despite the fact that the photo page states DOB as >>>> in 1947). Whether this problem is due to the use of a two digit year
identifier, I am past caring;all I know is that I repeatedly (no matter how
many times I have tried). receive silly messages about rCySorry, something >>>> went wrong - please take your photo again, and silly messages that infer I >>>> have done other things incorrectly and I should start all over again. This >>>> is all down to problems with the One Login app and when writing to them to >>>> explain and request help, all I am told is that for rCysecurity reasonsrCO they
cannot divulge what went wrong. When I contact HMRC and explain, like One >>>> Login, they just reply with more excuses about having to have my ID
approved by One Login before I can progress. Both parties (helpfully?) >>>> provide links that take me round in circles and go nowhere at all. In the >>>> end I complain to either party with a long explanation, I receive an
acknowledgment of my email, then rCarCa.Nugger All!!!
All I can suggest is to tell them you can't provide a tax return
(assuming you complete one) until it's sorted as you can't login.
Although I have logged in to do mine this year with the Gov't Gateway as >>> usual.
I will not be submitting my return until as late as possible to see if
HMRC correct the error in the State Pension calculation, whereby they
charged you the full 52 weeks at the new rate rather than 1 at the old
rate and 51 at the new.
It may not sound much, but I went through my records and with my pension >>> I overpaid tax on almost -u300. If you add compound interest at the HMRC >>> rate of 7.5% it comes to a total of -u380, so -u76 tax collected in error. >>>
All they've said is that they've corrected it for this year...
I had my rCyaccountrCO on line earlier this year but when I tried to login >> approx 2 months ago, the site refused my credentials and after more
attempts to enter the HMRC site, I accepted their procedure and invitation >> to rCyI have forgotten my passwordrCO and reset it. That was the last time I >> could even see beyond the opening screenful. Because I have the cheek to be >> a basic , honest British citizen who happens to be unable to drive and have >> never possessed any of the other means of ID, I have to follow the route to >> prove I am me via that one document, my passport. BTW, I only obtained a
passport for the porpoises of ID - I have never travelled with it! HMRC
will accept nothing else from me, will not converse with me and insist on
the stupid One Login route which does not work!
We have just appointed an accountant as neither of us can see well enough
to navigate the HMRC website confidently and without risk of making
unforgivable errors due to missing a box or two. It will be interesting to >> see how well the accountant gets on accessing my accountrCa
HMRC informing you that Mr A.C.Countant has been registered as acting
for you and giving you a code that the accountant then uses to verify themselves. This is how it works in Scotland, I presume it's the same process south of the border.
On 20/07/2026 17:19, Mike McMillan wrote:
BrritSki <rtilbury@gmail.com> wrote:If I have read your post correctly, it seems like the 'defect' is in
On 20/07/2026 16:28, Mike McMillan wrote:
BrritSki <rtilbury@gmail.com> wrote:Blimey, what a mess !
Swerving back to the original point about ONE login, I set it up
recently without any trouble, using my ePassport iirc [1] and renewed my >>>>> driving licence successfully.
However I can understand the reluctance to use it. That nice Mr. Burnham >>>>> has cancelled the idea of Digital Ids (allegedly) and an organisation >>>>> called #Together (setup during Covid to oppose Lockdowns and similar >>>>> sillinesses) claims that their campaign might have had some influence on >>>>> this.
They are now concerned that it will be brought in through the backdoor, >>>>> so umrats with similar concerns might want to join or subscribe to their >>>>> emails and support their campaign:
"Getting the official Digital ID scheme scrapped is a major victory - >>>>> but it is only the first step.
We must also ensure that connected systems such as GOV UK One Login, the >>>>> GOV UK App and Government Wallet cannot evolve into a de facto Digital >>>>> ID through expansion, function creep or the erosion of offline alternatives.
The real test is not what the system is called, but what it can do, how >>>>> widely it can be used, and whether people remain free to live their
lives without relying on - or being forced into - it.
That's why we're asking for your help, by joining us as a member today." >>>>>
<https://togetherdeclaration.org/>
[1] Umrats might recall a long rant last year about a similar online >>>>> French system for notifying them that I am still breathing (just) and so >>>>> they should continue sending me my French pensions - well I tried again >>>>> earlier this year and it worked seamlessly.
As I see it, the problems are created by the likes of (in my case at least)
HMRC relying on GovUk One Login to do their donkey work for them. rCyYou >>>> canrCOt enter here unless One Login has passed you as legit. Now the
consequence of that is that the One Login site is crap and fails to
recognise when it itself has failed due to stupidity. (Remember, they say I
was born in 2047 because they have mangled the data provided by the
passport embedded chip, despite the fact that the photo page states DOB as >>>> in 1947). Whether this problem is due to the use of a two digit year
identifier, I am past caring;all I know is that I repeatedly (no matter how
many times I have tried). receive silly messages about rCySorry, something >>>> went wrong - please take your photo again, and silly messages that infer I >>>> have done other things incorrectly and I should start all over again. This >>>> is all down to problems with the One Login app and when writing to them to >>>> explain and request help, all I am told is that for rCysecurity reasonsrCO they
cannot divulge what went wrong. When I contact HMRC and explain, like One >>>> Login, they just reply with more excuses about having to have my ID
approved by One Login before I can progress. Both parties (helpfully?) >>>> provide links that take me round in circles and go nowhere at all. In the >>>> end I complain to either party with a long explanation, I receive an
acknowledgment of my email, then rCarCa.Nugger All!!!
All I can suggest is to tell them you can't provide a tax return
(assuming you complete one) until it's sorted as you can't login.
Although I have logged in to do mine this year with the Gov't Gateway as >>> usual.
I will not be submitting my return until as late as possible to see if
HMRC correct the error in the State Pension calculation, whereby they
charged you the full 52 weeks at the new rate rather than 1 at the old
rate and 51 at the new.
It may not sound much, but I went through my records and with my pension >>> I overpaid tax on almost -u300. If you add compound interest at the HMRC >>> rate of 7.5% it comes to a total of -u380, so -u76 tax collected in error. >>>
All they've said is that they've corrected it for this year...
I had my rCyaccountrCO on line earlier this year but when I tried to login >> approx 2 months ago, the site refused my credentials and after more
attempts to enter the HMRC site, I accepted their procedure and invitation >> to rCyI have forgotten my passwordrCO and reset it. That was the last time I >> could even see beyond the opening screenful. Because I have the cheek to be >> a basic , honest British citizen who happens to be unable to drive and have >> never possessed any of the other means of ID, I have to follow the route to >> prove I am me via that one document, my passport. BTW, I only obtained a
passport for the porpoises of ID - I have never travelled with it! HMRC
will accept nothing else from me, will not converse with me and insist on
the stupid One Login route which does not work!
We have just appointed an accountant as neither of us can see well enough
to navigate the HMRC website confidently and without risk of making
unforgivable errors due to missing a box or two. It will be interesting to >> see how well the accountant gets on accessing my accountrCa
your passport (or in the chip contained therein).
Can you get the Passport Office to sent you a replacement? - hopefully
one without that defect.
Sam Plusnet <not@home.com> wrote:
On 20/07/2026 17:19, Mike McMillan wrote:
BrritSki <rtilbury@gmail.com> wrote:If I have read your post correctly, it seems like the 'defect' is in
On 20/07/2026 16:28, Mike McMillan wrote:
BrritSki <rtilbury@gmail.com> wrote:Blimey, what a mess !
Swerving back to the original point about ONE login, I set it up
recently without any trouble, using my ePassport iirc [1] and renewed my >>>>>> driving licence successfully.
However I can understand the reluctance to use it. That nice Mr. Burnham >>>>>> has cancelled the idea of Digital Ids (allegedly) and an organisation >>>>>> called #Together (setup during Covid to oppose Lockdowns and similar >>>>>> sillinesses) claims that their campaign might have had some influence on >>>>>> this.
They are now concerned that it will be brought in through the backdoor, >>>>>> so umrats with similar concerns might want to join or subscribe to their >>>>>> emails and support their campaign:
"Getting the official Digital ID scheme scrapped is a major victory - >>>>>> but it is only the first step.
We must also ensure that connected systems such as GOV UK One Login, the >>>>>> GOV UK App and Government Wallet cannot evolve into a de facto Digital >>>>>> ID through expansion, function creep or the erosion of offline alternatives.
The real test is not what the system is called, but what it can do, how >>>>>> widely it can be used, and whether people remain free to live their >>>>>> lives without relying on - or being forced into - it.
That's why we're asking for your help, by joining us as a member today." >>>>>>
<https://togetherdeclaration.org/>
[1] Umrats might recall a long rant last year about a similar online >>>>>> French system for notifying them that I am still breathing (just) and so >>>>>> they should continue sending me my French pensions - well I tried again >>>>>> earlier this year and it worked seamlessly.
As I see it, the problems are created by the likes of (in my case at least)
HMRC relying on GovUk One Login to do their donkey work for them. aYou >>>>> canAt enter here unless One Login has passed you as legit. Now the
consequence of that is that the One Login site is crap and fails to >>>>> recognise when it itself has failed due to stupidity. (Remember, they say I
was born in 2047 because they have mangled the data provided by the
passport embedded chip, despite the fact that the photo page states DOB as
in 1947). Whether this problem is due to the use of a two digit year >>>>> identifier, I am past caring;all I know is that I repeatedly (no matter how
many times I have tried). receive silly messages about aSorry, something >>>>> went wrong - please take your photo again, and silly messages that infer I
have done other things incorrectly and I should start all over again. This
is all down to problems with the One Login app and when writing to them to
explain and request help, all I am told is that for asecurity reasonsA they
cannot divulge what went wrong. When I contact HMRC and explain, like One >>>>> Login, they just reply with more excuses about having to have my ID
approved by One Login before I can progress. Both parties (helpfully?) >>>>> provide links that take me round in circles and go nowhere at all. In the >>>>> end I complain to either party with a long explanation, I receive an >>>>> acknowledgment of my email, then aa.Nugger All!!!
All I can suggest is to tell them you can't provide a tax return
(assuming you complete one) until it's sorted as you can't login.
Although I have logged in to do mine this year with the Gov't Gateway as >>>> usual.
I will not be submitting my return until as late as possible to see if >>>> HMRC correct the error in the State Pension calculation, whereby they
charged you the full 52 weeks at the new rate rather than 1 at the old >>>> rate and 51 at the new.
It may not sound much, but I went through my records and with my pension >>>> I overpaid tax on almost u300. If you add compound interest at the HMRC >>>> rate of 7.5% it comes to a total of u380, so u76 tax collected in error. >>>>
All they've said is that they've corrected it for this year...
I had my aaccountA on line earlier this year but when I tried to login
approx 2 months ago, the site refused my credentials and after more
attempts to enter the HMRC site, I accepted their procedure and invitation >>> to aI have forgotten my passwordA and reset it. That was the last time I >>> could even see beyond the opening screenful. Because I have the cheek to be >>> a basic , honest British citizen who happens to be unable to drive and have >>> never possessed any of the other means of ID, I have to follow the route to >>> prove I am me via that one document, my passport. BTW, I only obtained a >>> passport for the porpoises of ID - I have never travelled with it! HMRC
will accept nothing else from me, will not converse with me and insist on >>> the stupid One Login route which does not work!
We have just appointed an accountant as neither of us can see well enough >>> to navigate the HMRC website confidently and without risk of making
unforgivable errors due to missing a box or two. It will be interesting to >>> see how well the accountant gets on accessing my accounta
your passport (or in the chip contained therein).
Can you get the Passport Office to sent you a replacement? - hopefully
one without that defect.
It worked correctly when I set up my HMRC On-Line access earlier in the
year. Then there was an update to the Gov UK One Login softwarea
On Tue, 21 Jul 2026 08:12:04 -0000 (UTC), Mike McMillan <toodle.pip1@virginmedia.com> wrote:
Sam Plusnet <not@home.com> wrote:
On 20/07/2026 17:19, Mike McMillan wrote:
BrritSki <rtilbury@gmail.com> wrote:If I have read your post correctly, it seems like the 'defect' is in
On 20/07/2026 16:28, Mike McMillan wrote:
BrritSki <rtilbury@gmail.com> wrote:Blimey, what a mess !
Swerving back to the original point about ONE login, I set it up >>>>>>> recently without any trouble, using my ePassport iirc [1] and renewed my
driving licence successfully.
However I can understand the reluctance to use it. That nice Mr. Burnham
has cancelled the idea of Digital Ids (allegedly) and an organisation >>>>>>> called #Together (setup during Covid to oppose Lockdowns and similar >>>>>>> sillinesses) claims that their campaign might have had some influence on
this.
They are now concerned that it will be brought in through the backdoor, >>>>>>> so umrats with similar concerns might want to join or subscribe to their
emails and support their campaign:
"Getting the official Digital ID scheme scrapped is a major victory - >>>>>>> but it is only the first step.
We must also ensure that connected systems such as GOV UK One Login, the
GOV UK App and Government Wallet cannot evolve into a de facto Digital >>>>>>> ID through expansion, function creep or the erosion of offline alternatives.
The real test is not what the system is called, but what it can do, how >>>>>>> widely it can be used, and whether people remain free to live their >>>>>>> lives without relying on - or being forced into - it.
That's why we're asking for your help, by joining us as a member today."
<https://togetherdeclaration.org/>
[1] Umrats might recall a long rant last year about a similar online >>>>>>> French system for notifying them that I am still breathing (just) and so
they should continue sending me my French pensions - well I tried again >>>>>>> earlier this year and it worked seamlessly.
As I see it, the problems are created by the likes of (in my case at least)
HMRC relying on GovUk One Login to do their donkey work for them. -aYou >>>>>> can-At enter here unless One Login has passed you as legit. Now the >>>>>> consequence of that is that the One Login site is crap and fails to >>>>>> recognise when it itself has failed due to stupidity. (Remember, they say I
was born in 2047 because they have mangled the data provided by the >>>>>> passport embedded chip, despite the fact that the photo page states DOB as
in 1947). Whether this problem is due to the use of a two digit year >>>>>> identifier, I am past caring;all I know is that I repeatedly (no matter how
many times I have tried). receive silly messages about -aSorry, something
went wrong - please take your photo again, and silly messages that infer I
have done other things incorrectly and I should start all over again. This
is all down to problems with the One Login app and when writing to them to
explain and request help, all I am told is that for -asecurity reasons-A they
cannot divulge what went wrong. When I contact HMRC and explain, like One
Login, they just reply with more excuses about having to have my ID >>>>>> approved by One Login before I can progress. Both parties (helpfully?) >>>>>> provide links that take me round in circles and go nowhere at all. In the
end I complain to either party with a long explanation, I receive an >>>>>> acknowledgment of my email, then -a-a.Nugger All!!!
All I can suggest is to tell them you can't provide a tax return
(assuming you complete one) until it's sorted as you can't login.
Although I have logged in to do mine this year with the Gov't Gateway as >>>>> usual.
I will not be submitting my return until as late as possible to see if >>>>> HMRC correct the error in the State Pension calculation, whereby they >>>>> charged you the full 52 weeks at the new rate rather than 1 at the old >>>>> rate and 51 at the new.
It may not sound much, but I went through my records and with my pension >>>>> I overpaid tax on almost -u300. If you add compound interest at the HMRC >>>>> rate of 7.5% it comes to a total of -u380, so -u76 tax collected in error.
All they've said is that they've corrected it for this year...
I had my -aaccount-A on line earlier this year but when I tried to login >>>> approx 2 months ago, the site refused my credentials and after more
attempts to enter the HMRC site, I accepted their procedure and invitation >>>> to -aI have forgotten my password-A and reset it. That was the last time I >>>> could even see beyond the opening screenful. Because I have the cheek to be
a basic , honest British citizen who happens to be unable to drive and have
never possessed any of the other means of ID, I have to follow the route to
prove I am me via that one document, my passport. BTW, I only obtained a >>>> passport for the porpoises of ID - I have never travelled with it! HMRC >>>> will accept nothing else from me, will not converse with me and insist on >>>> the stupid One Login route which does not work!
We have just appointed an accountant as neither of us can see well enough >>>> to navigate the HMRC website confidently and without risk of making
unforgivable errors due to missing a box or two. It will be interesting to >>>> see how well the accountant gets on accessing my account-a
your passport (or in the chip contained therein).
Can you get the Passport Office to sent you a replacement? - hopefully
one without that defect.
It worked correctly when I set up my HMRC On-Line access earlier in the
year. Then there was an update to the Gov UK One Login software-a
Yebbut: since then, have you dropped your passport in a puddle then
dried it out again in the microwave oven?
Nick
On Fri, 17 Jul 2026 10:54:37 +0100, Jane Vernon
<jane@clothandclay.co.uk> wrote:
On 16/07/2026 19:37, Nick Odell wrote:
I have unique passwords for all the important accounts. (I'm ashamedKnowing you to be a traveller, how do you cope when travelling? I don't
to say that I use the same password over and over for on-line forums
and the like on the basis that there's nothing in those forums to
connect back to me (obviously umra isn't an on-line forum and it
doesn't count IMO)) The passwords are on a memory stick which is only
inserted when I want to read them. I don't use proprietary apps: I go
directly to the appropriate web site to sign in etc. Because I always
browse in "Private" mode, I trust that all transaction details are
deleted when I close the browser.
take my laptop with me, just my iPad and iPhone, neither of which takes
a USB plug such as you find on the end of memory sticks.
I think the USB compatability question has already been answered. I
just take a memory stick with my passwords and use a trusted computer
at my destination.
This brings up another issue: passkeys. I am really reluctant to get
involved with passkeys, however secure they might be because I'm
concerned that, since they are hardware specific, I might have more difficulty than I want to experience when I try to sign in from
another country on another machine, I'm in wait and see mode about
passkeys.
Nick
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