On 29/08/2026 16:33, Roger Hayter wrote:
On 29 Aug 2026 at 15:21:00 BST, "Roland Perry" <roland@perry.uk> wrote:
In message <9801231040.87c0a09e@uninhabited.net>, at 10:06:52 onI think the particular school's rules still trump the statutory
Sat, 29
Aug 2026, Roger Hayter <roger@hayter.org> remarked:
On 29 Aug 2026 at 10:43:13 BST, "Roland Perry" <roland@perry.uk> wrote: >>>>
In message <net1p2Fub65U2@mid.individual.net>, at 08:34:58 on Sat, 22 >>>>> Aug 2026, Norman Wells <hex@unseen.ac.am> remarked:
On 22/08/2026 05:20, Roland Perry wrote:That's not how sixth-form education works. Attendance hours are
In message <nere3aFmbr5U5@mid.individual.net>, at 17:52:57 on Fri, 21 >>>>>>> Aug 2026, Norman Wells <hex@unseen.ac.am> remarked:
On 21/08/2026 14:26, Roland Perry wrote:
In message <neodqiF81r6U1@mid.individual.net>, at 14:29:52 on Thu, >>>>>>>>> 20 Aug 2026, Norman Wells <hex@unseen.ac.am> remarked:
On 20/08/2026 10:15, Roland Perry wrote:
Still have to turn up at the classes.** I later persuaded the school to allow her to skip the General
Studies
Why? Was she a bit lazy?
Doing five A-levels is very time consuming.
Not so much, surely, if the fifth is what you call an 'easy win'. >>>>>>>
That's why you go to school surely.
Don't call me Shirley.
But you've spectacularly missed the point. If you are already
attending the classes for your main four subjects, having to attend >>>>>>> even more for the General Studies exam, can be the straw which breaks >>>>>>> the camel's back.
They were in school time, to which she was sort of contracted anyway. >>>>>
voluntary.
That is not an opinion with which the school I attended would have >>>>concurred!
I rather suspect you were at school more than fifteen years ago.
rules on
school attendance.
It seems to depend on the exact type of school.
From the AI part of a search:
"Common Attendance Models
"Sixth forms generally fall into three categories regarding their daily >schedule:
"Strict On-Site Policies: Many school-attached sixth forms require Year
12 (and sometimes Year 13) students to be on site for the full school
day (e.g., 8:30 AM to 3:30 PM). When students don't have a timetabled >lesson, they are expected to use dedicated quiet study spaces or the >library.
"Flexi-time & "Home Study": Some schools operate a hybrid policy.
Students must attend morning registration and all timetabled lessons,
but are allowed to leave the site if they have "free" or independent
study periods at the end of the day or after lunch.
"Open Campus (Standalone Colleges): Independent Sixth Form Colleges
usually offer the most freedom. They often operate like universities, >meaning students are only strictly required to be on campus when they
have a live lesson, tutorial, or mandatory assembly."
I doubt whether bunking off during normal school hours meets with much >approval from either teachers or parents. Normally, it's not exactly >productive or 'study', is it?
In message <nfgi5eF17tpU2@mid.individual.net>, at 18:11:09 on Sat, 29
Aug 2026, Norman Wells <hex@unseen.ac.am> remarked:
On 29/08/2026 16:33, Roger Hayter wrote:
-aI think the particular school's rules still trump the statutory
rules on school attendance.
It seems to depend on the exact type of school.
From the AI part of a search:
"Common Attendance Models
"Sixth forms generally fall into three categories regarding their
daily schedule:
"Strict On-Site Policies: Many school-attached sixth forms require
Year 12 (and sometimes Year 13) students to be on site for the full
school day (e.g., 8:30 AM to 3:30 PM). When students don't have a
timetabled lesson, they are expected to use dedicated quiet study
spaces or the library.
"Flexi-time & "Home Study": Some schools operate a hybrid policy.
Students must attend morning registration and all timetabled lessons,
but are allowed to leave the site if they have "free" or independent
study periods at the end of the day or after lunch.
"Open Campus (Standalone Colleges): Independent Sixth Form Colleges
usually offer the most freedom. They often operate like universities,
meaning students are only strictly required to be on campus when they
have a live lesson, tutorial, or mandatory assembly."
I doubt whether bunking off during normal school hours meets with much
approval from either teachers or parents.-a Normally, it's not exactly
productive or 'study', is it?
Keep digging, let me know when you get to Australia.
I doubt whether bunking off during normal school hours meets with
much approval from either teachers or parents.a Normally, it's not >>>exactly productive or 'study', is it?
Keep digging, let me know when you get to Australia.
No-one's digging, just stating facts.
In message <nfkqi5FnsisU3@mid.individual.net>, at 08:59:00 on Mon, 31
Aug 2026, Norman Wells <hex@unseen.ac.am> remarked:
I doubt whether bunking off during normal school hours meets with
much-a approval from either teachers or parents.-a Normally, it's not >>>> exactly-a productive or 'study', is it?
-aKeep digging, let me know when you get to Australia.
No-one's digging, just stating facts.
The facts are that for most sixth forms there's no such thing as "normal hours". Students are free to come and go, as long as they attend most scheduled classroom sessions.
In between they can do private study at school, or at home. And even
stay later if that assists their studies.
On 31/08/2026 12:36, Roland Perry wrote:
In message <nfkqi5FnsisU3@mid.individual.net>, at 08:59:00 on Mon, 31
Aug 2026, Norman Wells <hex@unseen.ac.am> remarked:
The facts are that for most sixth forms there's no such thing asI doubt whether bunking off during normal school hours meets with >>>>>mucha approval from either teachers or parents.a Normally, it's not >>>>>exactlya productive or 'study', is it?
aKeep digging, let me know when you get to Australia.
No-one's digging, just stating facts.
"normal hours". Students are free to come and go, as long as they
attend most scheduled classroom sessions.
In between they can do private study at school, or at home. And even >>stay later if that assists their studies.
Norman's school, the one he would have run, would have been much
stricter about turning up and studying in the library instead of at
home.
Norman has revealed his inner Wackford Squeers or Thomas Gradgrind.
In offices, working from home is now widespread. In many offices,
turning up for work means competing for a desk with a colleague who
also wants it.
In message <nfkqi5FnsisU3@mid.individual.net>, at 08:59:00 on Mon, 31
Aug 2026, Norman Wells <hex@unseen.ac.am> remarked:
I doubt whether bunking off during normal school hours meets with
much-a approval from either teachers or parents.-a Normally, it's not >>>> exactly-a productive or 'study', is it?
-aKeep digging, let me know when you get to Australia.
No-one's digging, just stating facts.
The facts are that for most sixth forms there's no such thing as "normal hours". Students are free to come and go, as long as they attend most scheduled classroom sessions.
In between they can do private study at school, or at home.
On 31/08/2026 12:36, Roland Perry wrote:
In message <nfkqi5FnsisU3@mid.individual.net>, at 08:59:00 on Mon, 31
Aug 2026, Norman Wells <hex@unseen.ac.am> remarked:
I doubt whether bunking off during normal school hours meets with
much-a approval from either teachers or parents.-a Normally, it's not >>>>> exactly-a productive or 'study', is it?
-aKeep digging, let me know when you get to Australia.
No-one's digging, just stating facts.
The facts are that for most sixth forms there's no such thing as
"normal hours". Students are free to come and go, as long as they
attend most scheduled classroom sessions.
In between they can do private study at school, or at home. And even
stay later if that assists their studies.
Norman's school, the one he would have run, would have been much
stricter about turning up and studying in the library instead of at home.
Norman's school, the one he would have run, would have been much >>stricter about turning up and studying in the library instead of at
home.
Yes, I would, in agreement with what I quoted earlier that is, I think,
the most common practice:
"Many school-attached sixth forms require Year 12 (and sometimes Year
13) students to be on site for the full school day (e.g., 8:30 AM to
3:30 PM). When students don't have a timetabled lesson, they are
expected to use dedicated quiet study spaces or the library."
I am not so naive as to think much studying goes on at home except >immediately prior to important exams.
It is a truth universally acknowledged that you don't bunk off early to >study but to have fun.
On 31/08/2026 12:36, Roland Perry wrote:
Norman Wells <hex@unseen.ac.am> remarked:
I doubt whether bunking off during normal school hours meets with
much approval from either teachers or parents. Normally, it's not
exactly productive or 'study', is it?
Keep digging, let me know when you get to Australia.
No-one's digging, just stating facts.
The facts are that for most sixth forms there's no such thing as
"normal hours". Students are free to come and go, as long as they
attend most scheduled classroom sessions.
In between they can do private study at school, or at home. And even
stay later if that assists their studies.
Norman's school, the one he would have run, would have been much
stricter about turning up and studying in the library instead of at home.
Norman has revealed his inner Wackford Squeers or Thomas Gradgrind.
In offices, working from home is now widespread. In many offices,
turning up for work means competing for a desk with a colleague who also wants it.
On 31/08/2026 12:36, Roland Perry wrote:
In message <nfkqi5FnsisU3@mid.individual.net>, at 08:59:00 on Mon, 31
Aug 2026, Norman Wells <hex@unseen.ac.am> remarked:
I doubt whether bunking off during normal school hours meets with >>>>>mucha approval from either teachers or parents.a Normally, it's not >>>>>exactlya productive or 'study', is it?
aKeep digging, let me know when you get to Australia.
No-one's digging, just stating facts.
The facts are that for most sixth forms there's no such thing as
"normal hours". Students are free to come and go, as long as they
attend most scheduled classroom sessions.
Do you have a link for that? You see, it's at odds with what I took
pains to investigate and quoted earlier.
For example:
"Many school-attached sixth forms require Year 12 (and sometimes Year
13) students to be on site for the full school day (e.g., 8:30 AM to
3:30 PM)".
Anyway, are not General Studies 'scheduled classroom sessions'?
In between they can do private study at school, or at home.
Of course they 'can', theoretically, but I suspect most don't. It's
just an observation from life.
In message <nflkcfFrs24U3@mid.individual.net>, at 16:19:42 on Mon, 31
Aug 2026, Norman Wells <hex@unseen.ac.am> remarked:
It is a truth universally acknowledged that you don't bunk off early to
study but to have fun.
No it's not (You aren't here for the hunting, are you?)
Roland Perry <roland@perry.uk> wrote:
In message <nflkcfFrs24U3@mid.individual.net>, at 16:19:42 on Mon, 31
Aug 2026, Norman Wells <hex@unseen.ac.am> remarked:
It is a truth universally acknowledged that you don't bunk off early to
study but to have fun.
No it's not (You aren't here for the hunting, are you?)
rCa he came down on Monday in a chaise and four to see the place rCa
If someone chooses to adapt the opening line of a work of fiction to make a point then I think it would be wise for them to read the book, or at least the opening paragraphs.
My interpretation of the opening line is that it is
a humorous commentary on the attitude of a particular group of people of which the most prominent character is described as rCLof mean understanding, little information, and uncertain temper.rCY
Perhaps those who bunk off to have fun are the ones who are most disruptive in class so the best way to get some peace for study is to bunk off to somewhere quiet. Having somewhere quiet to bunk off to will depend onThat's why the schools in my reference that require students to be
family circumstances including wealth and cultural attitudes to education.
In message <nflkcfFrs24U3@mid.individual.net>, at 16:19:42 on Mon, 31
Aug 2026, Norman Wells <hex@unseen.ac.am> remarked:
-aNorman's school, the one he would have run, would have been much
stricter about turning up and studying in the library instead of at
home.
Yes, I would, in agreement with what I quoted earlier that is, I
think, the most common practice:
"Many school-attached sixth forms require Year 12 (and sometimes Year
13) students to be on site for the full school day (e.g., 8:30 AM to
3:30 PM). When students don't have a timetabled lesson, they are
expected to use dedicated quiet study spaces or the library."
Whoever wrote that is a generation out-of-date.
I am not so naive as to think much studying goes on at home except
immediately prior to important exams.
That's your problem. Plenty of students do study at home.
It is a truth universally acknowledged that you don't bunk off early
to study but to have fun.
No it's not
On 31/08/2026 12:56 PM, The Todal wrote:
On 31/08/2026 12:36, Roland Perry wrote:
Norman Wells <hex@unseen.ac.am> remarked:
I doubt whether bunking off during normal school hours meets with
much approval from either teachers or parents. Normally, it's not >>>>>> exactly productive or 'study', is it?
Keep digging, let me know when you get to Australia.
No-one's digging, just stating facts.
The facts are that for most sixth forms there's no such thing as
"normal hours". Students are free to come and go, as long as they
attend most scheduled classroom sessions.
In between they can do private study at school, or at home. And even
stay later if that assists their studies.
Norman's school, the one he would have run, would have been much
stricter about turning up and studying in the library instead of at home.
Norman has revealed his inner Wackford Squeers or Thomas Gradgrind.
...or Katharine Birbalsingh, getting incredibly good results in an area
of London where such things were no longer expected?
In offices, working from home is now widespread. In many offices,
turning up for work means competing for a desk with a colleague who also
wants it.
That'd change if it were happening regularly and frequently enough.
What does "many offices" actually mean in this case?
5%?
15%?
In message <nfljnbFrs24U2@mid.individual.net>, at 16:08:26 on Mon, 31
Aug 2026, Norman Wells <hex@unseen.ac.am> remarked:
On 31/08/2026 12:36, Roland Perry wrote:
In message <nfkqi5FnsisU3@mid.individual.net>, at 08:59:00 on Mon, 31
Aug 2026, Norman Wells <hex@unseen.ac.am> remarked:
I doubt whether bunking off during normal school hours meets with >>>>>> much-a approval from either teachers or parents.-a Normally, it's >>>>>> not exactly-a productive or 'study', is it?
-aKeep digging, let me know when you get to Australia.
No-one's digging, just stating facts.
-aThe facts are that for most sixth forms there's no such thing as
"normal-a hours". Students are free to come and go, as long as they
attend most-a scheduled classroom sessions.
Do you have a link for that?-a You see, it's at odds with what I took
pains to investigate and quoted earlier.
For example:
"Many school-attached sixth forms require Year 12 (and sometimes Year
13) students to be on site for the full school day (e.g., 8:30 AM to
3:30 PM)".
What's *your* link for that?
Anyway, are not General Studies 'scheduled classroom sessions'?
They would be, but if the student has opted out, those time slots would
be much better utilised polishing their core subjects.
In between they can do private study at school, or at home.
Of course they 'can', theoretically, but I suspect most don't.-a It's
just an observation from life.
So not a peer-reviewed link.
Roland Perry <roland@perry.uk> wrote:
In message <nflkcfFrs24U3@mid.individual.net>, at 16:19:42 on Mon, 31
Aug 2026, Norman Wells <hex@unseen.ac.am> remarked:
It is a truth universally acknowledged that you don't bunk off early to
study but to have fun.
No it's not (You aren't here for the hunting, are you?)
rCa he came down on Monday in a chaise and four to see the place rCa
If someone chooses to adapt the opening line of a work of fiction to make a >point then I think it would be wise for them to read the book, or at least >the opening paragraphs.
the schools in my reference
that require students to be present for the whole of the school day
say:
"When students don't have a timetabled lesson, they are expected to use >dedicated quiet study spaces or the library."
You won't get better at home,
nor will the incentive be there to do what is intended.
JNugent <JNugent73@mail.com> wrote:
On 31/08/2026 12:56 PM, The Todal wrote:
On 31/08/2026 12:36, Roland Perry wrote:
Norman Wells <hex@unseen.ac.am> remarked:
I doubt whether bunking off during normal school hours meets with >>>>>>> much approval from either teachers or parents. Normally, it's not >>>>>>> exactly productive or 'study', is it?
Keep digging, let me know when you get to Australia.
No-one's digging, just stating facts.
The facts are that for most sixth forms there's no such thing as
"normal hours". Students are free to come and go, as long as they
attend most scheduled classroom sessions.
In between they can do private study at school, or at home. And even
stay later if that assists their studies.
Norman's school, the one he would have run, would have been much
stricter about turning up and studying in the library instead of at home. >>>
Norman has revealed his inner Wackford Squeers or Thomas Gradgrind.
...or Katharine Birbalsingh, getting incredibly good results in an area
of London where such things were no longer expected?
In offices, working from home is now widespread. In many offices,
turning up for work means competing for a desk with a colleague who also >>> wants it.
That'd change if it were happening regularly and frequently enough.
What does "many offices" actually mean in this case?
5%?
15%?
IIRC Jacob Rees-Mogg left cards on desks saying he hoped to see the person whose desk it was sitting at it in future. There were more staff than desks so hot desking was in place there and it was necessary for staff to spend a proportion of their time working at home.
In message <nflkcfFrs24U3@mid.individual.net>, at 16:19:42 on Mon, 31
Aug 2026, Norman Wells <hex@unseen.ac.am> remarked:
Norman's school, the one he would have run, would have been much >>>stricter about turning up and studying in the library instead of at >>>home.
Yes, I would, in agreement with what I quoted earlier that is, I think, >>the most common practice:
"Many school-attached sixth forms require Year 12 (and sometimes Year
13) students to be on site for the full school day (e.g., 8:30 AM to
3:30 PM). When students don't have a timetabled lesson, they are
expected to use dedicated quiet study spaces or the library."
Whoever wrote that is a generation out-of-date.
In message <nfmacaF121iU1@mid.individual.net>, at 22:35:06 on Mon, 31
Aug 2026, Norman Wells <hex@unseen.ac.am> remarked:
the schools in my reference
dated?
that require students to be present for the whole of the school day say:
"When students don't have a timetabled lesson, they are expected to
use dedicated quiet study spaces or the library."
You won't get better at home,
They'll be less distracted at home.
nor will the incentive be there to do what is intended.
The incentive comes from wanting to get good grades, and the parents
wanting them to get good grades.
On Mon, 31 Aug 2026 19:15:58 +0100, Roland Perry <roland@perry.uk> wrote:
In message <nflkcfFrs24U3@mid.individual.net>, at 16:19:42 on Mon, 31
Aug 2026, Norman Wells <hex@unseen.ac.am> remarked:
Norman's school, the one he would have run, would have been much
stricter about turning up and studying in the library instead of at
home.
Yes, I would, in agreement with what I quoted earlier that is, I think,
the most common practice:
"Many school-attached sixth forms require Year 12 (and sometimes Year
13) students to be on site for the full school day (e.g., 8:30 AM to
3:30 PM). When students don't have a timetabled lesson, they are
expected to use dedicated quiet study spaces or the library."
Whoever wrote that is a generation out-of-date.
Some extracts from the Sixth Form Student Handbook at a high school near me:
Having spoken to sixth form pupils at the school, the understanding is that most sixth formers attend full time during term. Although the use of unsupervised study sessions for home study is permitted, it's generally discouraged unless the pupil can demonstrate that, for them, home study is more effective than using school facilities.
In message <1174nga$18c95$1@dont-email.me>, at 20:17:14 on Mon, 31 Aug
2026, Owen Rees <orees@hotmail.com> remarked:
Roland Perry <roland@perry.uk> wrote:
In message <nflkcfFrs24U3@mid.individual.net>, at 16:19:42 on Mon, 31
Aug 2026, Norman Wells <hex@unseen.ac.am> remarked:
It is a truth universally acknowledged that you don't bunk off early to >>>> study but to have fun.
No it's not (You aren't here for the hunting, are you?)
rCa he came down on Monday in a chaise and four to see the place rCa
If someone chooses to adapt the opening line of a work of fiction to make a >> point then I think it would be wise for them to read the book, or at least >> the opening paragraphs.
What's that got to do with the joke about a frustrated hunter and a persistent bear?
"Many school-attached sixth forms require Year 12 (and sometimes Year
13) students to be on site for the full school day (e.g., 8:30 AM to
3:30 PM). When students don't have a timetabled lesson, they are
expected to use dedicated quiet study spaces or the library."
Whoever wrote that is a generation out-of-date.
Some extracts from the Sixth Form Student Handbook at a high school near me:
The school day is from 9.00am to 3.25pm rCo please be punctual. You are
expected to attend full time.
As in Years 9 to 11, you will follow a two week timetable with a total of
fifty teaching periods over the fortnight. Many of these will be lessons
in your three or four subjects; however you will also have some allocated
to supervised Private Study and some for Enrichment (Sport, Enrichment and
Guidance lessons (EaG), Electives).
The remaining lessons will be unsupervised study lessons when you can
choose to study in any of the study rooms across school, the Common Room
or our brilliantly stocked Learning Resource Centre. If you are
sufficiently on top of your work, you can socialise in the Common Room or
leave the school site. You can also use these independent study lessons
for driving lessons or to study at home.
[...]
Going off-site: You are allowed out of school at break, lunchtime and
during your unsupervised lessons, provided that you sign out officially
and that you do not behave in such a way as may bring discredit on the
school. You must sign in and out using your finger print or the signing
out book in the Sixth Form Common Room or your finger print in Main
Reception.
Having spoken to sixth form pupils at the school, the understanding is that >most sixth formers attend full time during term. Although the use of >unsupervised study sessions for home study is permitted, it's generally >discouraged unless the pupil can demonstrate that, for them, home study is >more effective than using school facilities.
OTOH: https://www.urmstongrammar.org.uk/page/?pid=86
"All Sixth Form students must be in school for morning registration.
When students have rCyDirected StudyrCO on their timetable, after
period 2 they are free to leave the school site if they wish rCo this
may include going into Urmston town centre or going home."
The well known work of fiction that opens with the phrase rCLIt is a truth >universally acknowledged rCL does not include references to a frustrated >hunter or persistent bears. Perhaps you can explain the relevance of your >response to the article you quoted.
On 01/09/2026 10:24, Mark Goodge wrote:
On Mon, 31 Aug 2026 19:15:58 +0100, Roland Perry <roland@perry.uk> wrote:
In message <nflkcfFrs24U3@mid.individual.net>, at 16:19:42 on Mon, 31
Aug 2026, Norman Wells <hex@unseen.ac.am> remarked:
Norman's school, the one he would have run, would have been much
stricter about turning up and studying in the library instead of at
home.
Yes, I would, in agreement with what I quoted earlier that is, I think, >>>> the most common practice:
"Many school-attached sixth forms require Year 12 (and sometimes Year
13) students to be on site for the full school day (e.g., 8:30 AM to
3:30 PM). When students don't have a timetabled lesson, they are
expected to use dedicated quiet study spaces or the library."
Was that still an artificial quote ?
Whoever wrote that is a generation out-of-date.
Some extracts from the Sixth Form Student Handbook at a high school near me: >>
Having spoken to sixth form pupils at the school, the understanding is that >> most sixth formers attend full time during term. Although the use of
unsupervised study sessions for home study is permitted, it's generally
discouraged unless the pupil can demonstrate that, for them, home study is >> more effective than using school facilities.
OTOH: https://www.urmstongrammar.org.uk/page/?pid=86
"All Sixth Form students must be in school for morning registration. When students have 'Directed Study' on their timetable, after period 2 they are free to leave the school site if they wish - this may include going into Urmston town centre or going home."
OTOH: https://www.urmstongrammar.org.uk/page/?pid=86
"All Sixth Form students must be in school for morning registration. When
students have 'Directed Study' on their timetable, after period 2 they are >> free to leave the school site if they wish - this may include going into
Urmston town centre or going home."
Mark Goodge only required *one* contemporary example, to successfully
refure Roland Perry's claim, that Norman Wells' quoted prospectus was
"a generation out of date".
In message <1176h8q$1ihka$1@dont-email.me>, at 13:43:06 on Tue, 1 Sep
2026, Nick Finnigan <nix@genie.co.uk> remarked:
OTOH: https://www.urmstongrammar.org.uk/page/?pid=86
"All Sixth Form students must be in school for morning registration.
When students have rCyDirected StudyrCO on their timetable, after period 2 >> they are free to leave the school site if they wish rCo this may include
going into Urmston town centre or going home."
Thank you.
In message <1176ld8$1si9e$1@dont-email.me>, at 14:53:39 on Tue, 1 Sep
2026, billy bookcase <billy@anon.com> remarked:
-aOTOH: https://www.urmstongrammar.org.uk/page/?pid=86
"All Sixth Form students must be in school for morning registration.
When
students have 'Directed Study' on their timetable, after period 2
they are
free to leave the school site if they wish - this may include going into >>> Urmston town centre or going home."
Mark Goodge only required *one* contemporary example, to successfully
refure Roland Perry's claim, that Norman Wells' quoted prospectus was
"a generation out of date".
It's vanishingly unlikely that Normans **UNDATED** claim was for the
same school which Mark cited. So you've been debunked, yet again.
Roland Perry <roland@perry.uk> wrote:
In message <1174nga$18c95$1@dont-email.me>, at 20:17:14 on Mon, 31 Aug
2026, Owen Rees <orees@hotmail.com> remarked:
Roland Perry <roland@perry.uk> wrote:
In message <nflkcfFrs24U3@mid.individual.net>, at 16:19:42 on Mon, 31
Aug 2026, Norman Wells <hex@unseen.ac.am> remarked:
It is a truth universally acknowledged that you don't bunk off early to >>>>> study but to have fun.
No it's not (You aren't here for the hunting, are you?)
rCa he came down on Monday in a chaise and four to see the place rCa
If someone chooses to adapt the opening line of a work of fiction to make a >>> point then I think it would be wise for them to read the book, or at least >>> the opening paragraphs.
What's that got to do with the joke about a frustrated hunter and a
persistent bear?
The well known work of fiction that opens with the phrase rCLIt is a truth universally acknowledged rCL does not include references to a frustrated hunter or persistent bears. Perhaps you can explain the relevance of your response to the article you quoted.
My point was that to those who have read the relevant work, the use of the phrase is likely to imply that the alleged truth that follows is not a universal truth but the opinion of a group not known for deep thinking.
Meanwhile completely irrelevant to my daughter's decision to drop out of General Studies. Glad we finally got that sorted out.
In message <1176ld8$1si9e$1@dont-email.me>, at 14:53:39 on Tue, 1 Sep 2026, billy bookcase <billy@anon.com> remarked:
OTOH: https://www.urmstongrammar.org.uk/page/?pid=86
"All Sixth Form students must be in school for morning registration. When >>> students have 'Directed Study' on their timetable, after period 2 they are >>> free to leave the school site if they wish - this may include going into >>> Urmston town centre or going home."
Mark Goodge only required *one* contemporary example, to successfully >>refure Roland Perry's claim, that Norman Wells' quoted prospectus was
"a generation out of date".
It's vanishingly unlikely that Normans **UNDATED** claim was for the same school which Mark cited. So you've been debunked, yet again.
In message <1176ld8$1si9e$1@dont-email.me>, at 14:53:39 on Tue, 1 Sep
2026, billy bookcase <billy@anon.com> remarked:
OTOH: https://www.urmstongrammar.org.uk/page/?pid=86
"All Sixth Form students must be in school for morning registration. When >>> students have 'Directed Study' on their timetable, after period 2 they are >>> free to leave the school site if they wish - this may include going into >>> Urmston town centre or going home."
Mark Goodge only required *one* contemporary example, to successfully
refure Roland Perry's claim, that Norman Wells' quoted prospectus was
"a generation out of date".
It's vanishingly unlikely that Normans **UNDATED** claim was for the
same school which Mark cited. So you've been debunked, yet again.
On 01/09/2026 15:10, Roland Perry wrote:
In message <1176h8q$1ihka$1@dont-email.me>, at 13:43:06 on Tue, 1 Sep
2026, Nick Finnigan <nix@genie.co.uk> remarked:
OTOH: https://www.urmstongrammar.org.uk/page/?pid=86
"All Sixth Form students must be in school for morning registration.
When students have rCyDirected StudyrCO on their timetable, after period 2 >>> they are free to leave the school site if they wish rCo this may include >>> going into Urmston town centre or going home."
Thank you.
As you said here just one minute earlier:
"A great example of "One Swallow doesn't make a Spring" "
Actually, it's a summer, but never mind.
On 01/09/2026 15:09, Roland Perry wrote:
Meanwhile completely irrelevant to my daughter's decision to drop out of
General Studies. Glad we finally got that sorted out.
You still haven't said why you were so in favour of that that you argued against the school's better judgement, what her reason for not doing it
was, what she actually did with the time it liberated, what you did in
the way of providing a dedicated study area at home better than at
school, and what you did to ensure that she did actually study at home instead of just bunking off to have fun.
Would you care to do so?
On 01/09/2026 14:29, Owen Rees wrote:
Roland Perry <roland@perry.uk> wrote:
In message <1174nga$18c95$1@dont-email.me>, at 20:17:14 on Mon, 31 Aug
2026, Owen Rees <orees@hotmail.com> remarked:
Roland Perry <roland@perry.uk> wrote:
In message <nflkcfFrs24U3@mid.individual.net>, at 16:19:42 on Mon, 31 >>>>> Aug 2026, Norman Wells <hex@unseen.ac.am> remarked:
It is a truth universally acknowledged that you don't bunk off early to >>>>>> study but to have fun.
No it's not (You aren't here for the hunting, are you?)
rCa he came down on Monday in a chaise and four to see the place rCa
If someone chooses to adapt the opening line of a work of fiction to make a
point then I think it would be wise for them to read the book, or at least >>>> the opening paragraphs.
What's that got to do with the joke about a frustrated hunter and a
persistent bear?
The well known work of fiction that opens with the phrase rCLIt is a truth >> universally acknowledged rCL does not include references to a frustrated
hunter or persistent bears. Perhaps you can explain the relevance of your
response to the article you quoted.
My point was that to those who have read the relevant work, the use of the >> phrase is likely to imply that the alleged truth that follows is not a
universal truth but the opinion of a group not known for deep thinking.
Now would you like to address what I actually said and the point I
actually made?
In message <1176k0i$1s1hj$1@dont-email.me>, at 13:29:54 on Tue, 1 Sep
2026, Owen Rees <orees@hotmail.com> remarked:
The well known work of fiction that opens with the phrase rCLIt is a truth >> universally acknowledged rCL does not include references to a frustrated
hunter or persistent bears. Perhaps you can explain the relevance of your
response to the article you quoted.
Norman is the hunter, and we are the persistent ears, who suspect he
isn't here for the hunting
Roland Perry <roland@perry.uk> wrote:
In message <1176k0i$1s1hj$1@dont-email.me>, at 13:29:54 on Tue, 1 Sep
2026, Owen Rees <orees@hotmail.com> remarked:
The well known work of fiction that opens with the phrase rCLIt is a truth >>> universally acknowledged rCL does not include references to a frustrated >>> hunter or persistent bears. Perhaps you can explain the relevance of your >>> response to the article you quoted.
Norman is the hunter, and we are the persistent ears, who suspect he
isn't here for the hunting
I have still not found anything that explains the references to frustrated hunters or persistent bears. Perhaps it is a reference to some work with which I am not familiar and which DuckDuckGo search does not reveal.
In case anyone is having difficulty with rCLIt is a truth universally acknowledgedrCL, those are the opening words of Pride and Prejudice by Jane Austen. I think that most readers will see that the author is poking fun at those who believe the rCytruthrCO that follows.
"Nick Finnigan" <nix@genie.co.uk> wrote in message news:1176h8q$1ihka$1@dont-email.me...
On 01/09/2026 10:24, Mark Goodge wrote:
On Mon, 31 Aug 2026 19:15:58 +0100, Roland Perry <roland@perry.uk> wrote: >>>
In message <nflkcfFrs24U3@mid.individual.net>, at 16:19:42 on Mon, 31
Aug 2026, Norman Wells <hex@unseen.ac.am> remarked:
Norman's school, the one he would have run, would have been much >>>>>> stricter about turning up and studying in the library instead of at >>>>>> home.
Yes, I would, in agreement with what I quoted earlier that is, I think, >>>>> the most common practice:
"Many school-attached sixth forms require Year 12 (and sometimes Year >>>>> 13) students to be on site for the full school day (e.g., 8:30 AM to >>>>> 3:30 PM). When students don't have a timetabled lesson, they are
expected to use dedicated quiet study spaces or the library."
Was that still an artificial quote ?
Whoever wrote that is a generation out-of-date.
Some extracts from the Sixth Form Student Handbook at a high school near me:
Having spoken to sixth form pupils at the school, the understanding is that >>> most sixth formers attend full time during term. Although the use of
unsupervised study sessions for home study is permitted, it's generally
discouraged unless the pupil can demonstrate that, for them, home study is >>> more effective than using school facilities.
OTOH: https://www.urmstongrammar.org.uk/page/?pid=86
"All Sixth Form students must be in school for morning registration. When
students have 'Directed Study' on their timetable, after period 2 they are >> free to leave the school site if they wish - this may include going into
Urmston town centre or going home."
Mark Goodge only required *one* contemporary example, to successfully
refure Roland Perry's claim, that Norman Wells' quoted prospectus was
"a generation out of date".
On 2026-09-01, Owen Rees <orees@hotmail.com> wrote:
Roland Perry <roland@perry.uk> wrote:
In message <1176k0i$1s1hj$1@dont-email.me>, at 13:29:54 on Tue, 1 Sep
2026, Owen Rees <orees@hotmail.com> remarked:
The well known work of fiction that opens with the phrase rCLIt is a truth >>>> universally acknowledged rCL does not include references to a frustrated >>>> hunter or persistent bears. Perhaps you can explain the relevance of your >>>> response to the article you quoted.
Norman is the hunter, and we are the persistent ears, who suspect he
isn't here for the hunting
I have still not found anything that explains the references to frustrated >> hunters or persistent bears. Perhaps it is a reference to some work with
which I am not familiar and which DuckDuckGo search does not reveal.
In case anyone is having difficulty with rCLIt is a truth universally
acknowledgedrCL, those are the opening words of Pride and Prejudice by Jane >> Austen. I think that most readers will see that the author is poking fun at >> those who believe the rCytruthrCO that follows.
I think the hunters/bears thing is a way of saying that a person
consistently does so badly at the activity they are purportedly
present to partake in, that there must be some explanation for
their presence other than to take part in that activity.
Roland Perry <roland@perry.uk> wrote:
In message <1176k0i$1s1hj$1@dont-email.me>, at 13:29:54 on Tue, 1 Sep
2026, Owen Rees <orees@hotmail.com> remarked:
The well known work of fiction that opens with the phrase rCLIt is a truth >>> universally acknowledged rCL does not include references to a frustrated >>> hunter or persistent bears. Perhaps you can explain the relevance of your >>> response to the article you quoted.
Norman is the hunter, and we are the persistent ears, who suspect he
isn't here for the hunting
I have still not found anything that explains the references to frustrated hunters or persistent bears. Perhaps it is a reference to some work with which I am not familiar and which DuckDuckGo search does not reveal.
In case anyone is having difficulty with rCLIt is a truth universally acknowledgedrCL, those are the opening words of Pride and Prejudice by Jane Austen. I think that most readers will see that the author is poking fun at those who believe the rCytruthrCO that follows.
On 1 Sep 2026 at 18:56:04 BST, "Norman Wells" <hex@unseen.ac.am> wrote:
On 01/09/2026 15:10, Roland Perry wrote:
In message <1176h8q$1ihka$1@dont-email.me>, at 13:43:06 on Tue, 1 Sep
2026, Nick Finnigan <nix@genie.co.uk> remarked:
OTOH: https://www.urmstongrammar.org.uk/page/?pid=86
"All Sixth Form students must be in school for morning registration.
When students have rCyDirected StudyrCO on their timetable, after period 2 >>>> they are free to leave the school site if they wish rCo this may include >>>> going into Urmston town centre or going home."
Thank you.
As you said here just one minute earlier:
"A great example of "One Swallow doesn't make a Spring""
Actually, it's a summer, but never mind.
In reality it's spring when the swallows arrive. But I suspect summer was required for scansion.
On 01/09/2026 14:53, billy bookcase wrote:
"Nick Finnigan" <nix@genie.co.uk> wrote in message
news:1176h8q$1ihka$1@dont-email.me...
On 01/09/2026 10:24, Mark Goodge wrote:
On Mon, 31 Aug 2026 19:15:58 +0100, Roland Perry <roland@perry.uk> wrote: >>>>
In message <nflkcfFrs24U3@mid.individual.net>, at 16:19:42 on Mon, 31 >>>>> Aug 2026, Norman Wells <hex@unseen.ac.am> remarked:
Norman's school, the one he would have run, would have been much >>>>>>> stricter about turning up and studying in the library instead of at >>>>>>> home.
Yes, I would, in agreement with what I quoted earlier that is, I think, >>>>>> the most common practice:
"Many school-attached sixth forms require Year 12 (and sometimes Year >>>>>> 13) students to be on site for the full school day (e.g., 8:30 AM to >>>>>> 3:30 PM). When students don't have a timetabled lesson, they are
expected to use dedicated quiet study spaces or the library."
Was that still an artificial quote ?
Whoever wrote that is a generation out-of-date.
Some extracts from the Sixth Form Student Handbook at a high school near >>>> me:
Having spoken to sixth form pupils at the school, the understanding is that
most sixth formers attend full time during term. Although the use of
unsupervised study sessions for home study is permitted, it's generally >>>> discouraged unless the pupil can demonstrate that, for them, home study is >>>> more effective than using school facilities.
OTOH: https://www.urmstongrammar.org.uk/page/?pid=86
"All Sixth Form students must be in school for morning registration. When >>> students have 'Directed Study' on their timetable, after period 2 they are >>> free to leave the school site if they wish - this may include going into >>> Urmston town centre or going home."
Mark Goodge only required *one* contemporary example, to successfully
refure Roland Perry's claim, that Norman Wells' quoted prospectus was
"a generation out of date".
Well, no, he would require 'many' examples, preferably including attendance for 2020. But I intended to show that some schools accept that the free time will not always be used for study, and that is not a problem.
On 01/09/2026 20:18, Roger Hayter wrote:
On 1 Sep 2026 at 18:56:04 BST, "Norman Wells" <hex@unseen.ac.am> wrote:
On 01/09/2026 15:10, Roland Perry wrote:
In message <1176h8q$1ihka$1@dont-email.me>, at 13:43:06 on Tue, 1 Sep
2026, Nick Finnigan <nix@genie.co.uk> remarked:
OTOH: https://www.urmstongrammar.org.uk/page/?pid=86
"All Sixth Form students must be in school for morning registration. >>>>> When students have rCyDirected StudyrCO on their timetable, after period 2
they are free to leave the school site if they wish rCo this may include >>>>> going into Urmston town centre or going home."
Thank you.
As you said here just one minute earlier:
"A great example of "One Swallow doesn't make a Spring""
Actually, it's a summer, but never mind.
In reality it's spring when the swallows arrive. But I suspect summer was
required for scansion.
Norman's pedantic insistence that everyone must use the correct form of words and refrain from any creative expressions is part of his Gradgrind persona.
On 31/08/2026 09:33 PM, Owen Rees wrote:
JNugent <JNugent73@mail.com> wrote:
On 31/08/2026 12:56 PM, The Todal wrote:
On 31/08/2026 12:36, Roland Perry wrote:
Norman Wells <hex@unseen.ac.am> remarked:
I doubt whether bunking off during normal school hours meets with >>>>>>>> much-a approval from either teachers or parents.-a Normally, it's not >>>>>>>> exactly-a productive or 'study', is it?
Keep digging, let me know when you get to Australia.
No-one's digging, just stating facts.
The facts are that for most sixth forms there's no such thing as
"normal hours". Students are free to come and go, as long as they
attend most scheduled classroom sessions.
In between they can do private study at school, or at home. And even >>>>> stay later if that assists their studies.
Norman's school, the one he would have run, would have been much
stricter about turning up and studying in the library instead of at
home.
Norman has revealed his inner Wackford Squeers or Thomas Gradgrind.
...or Katharine Birbalsingh, getting incredibly good results in an area
of London where such things were no longer expected?
In offices, working from home is now widespread. In many offices,
turning up for work means competing for a desk with a colleague who
also
wants it.
That'd change if it were happening regularly and frequently enough.
What does "many offices" actually mean in this case?
5%?
15%?
IIRC Jacob Rees-Mogg left cards on desks saying he hoped to see the
person
whose desk it was sitting at it in future. There were more staff than
desks
so hot desking was in place there and it was necessary for staff to
spend a
proportion of their time working at home.
It was the proportion of workplaces that I was enquiring about.
On 9/1/26 22:16, Jon Ribbens wrote:
On 2026-09-01, Owen Rees <orees@hotmail.com> wrote:
Roland Perry <roland@perry.uk> wrote:
In message <1176k0i$1s1hj$1@dont-email.me>, at 13:29:54 on Tue, 1 Sep
2026, Owen Rees <orees@hotmail.com> remarked:
The well known work of fiction that opens with the phrase rCLIt is a >>>>> truth universally acknowledged rCL does not include references to a
frustrated hunter or persistent bears. Perhaps you can explain the
relevance of your response to the article you quoted.
Norman is the hunter, and we are the persistent ears, who suspect he
isn't here for the hunting
I have still not found anything that explains the references to
frustrated hunters or persistent bears. Perhaps it is a reference to
some work with which I am not familiar and which DuckDuckGo search
does not reveal.
In case anyone is having difficulty with rCLIt is a truth universally
acknowledgedrCL, those are the opening words of Pride and Prejudice by
Jane Austen. I think that most readers will see that the author is
poking fun at those who believe the rCytruthrCO that follows.
I think the hunters/bears thing is a way of saying that a person
consistently does so badly at the activity they are purportedly
present to partake in, that there must be some explanation for
their presence other than to take part in that activity.
I think it is more a device, a modern parable, that lets Roland explain
to everyone that he has won an argument. Which seems an important thing
to do, given that many people do not seem to notice that they are doing badly, and that Roland has won the argument.
No doubt the quality of ulm would improve if all posters announced
clearly when they had won an argument.
Roland Perry <roland@perry.uk> wrote:
In message <1176k0i$1s1hj$1@dont-email.me>, at 13:29:54 on Tue, 1 Sep
2026, Owen Rees <orees@hotmail.com> remarked:
The well known work of fiction that opens with the phrase rCLIt is a truth >>> universally acknowledged rCL does not include references to a frustrated >>> hunter or persistent bears. Perhaps you can explain the relevance of your >>> response to the article you quoted.
Norman is the hunter, and we are the persistent ears, who suspect he
isn't here for the hunting
I have still not found anything that explains the references to frustrated >hunters or persistent bears.
In case anyone is having difficulty with rCLIt is a truth universally >acknowledgedrCL, those are the opening words of Pride and Prejudice by Jane >Austen.
I think the hunters/bears thing is a way of saying that a person
consistently does so badly at the activity they are purportedly
present to partake in, that there must be some explanation for
their presence other than to take part in that activity.
I think it is more a device, a modern parable, that lets Roland explain
to everyone that he has won an argument. Which seems an important thing
to do, given that many people do not seem to notice that they are doing >badly, and that Roland has won the argument.
I hadn't heard of the joke about the hunter and the bear but it didn't
take long to find it using Google and it's both amusing and apt.
https://www.reddit.com/r/Jokes/comments/txdftx/hunter_and_the_bear/
In message <1177ifi$qnei$1@dont-email.me>, at 23:09:53 on Tue, 1 Sep
2026, Pancho <Pancho.Jones@protonmail.com> remarked:
-aI think the hunters/bears thing is a way of saying that a person
consistently does so badly at the activity they are purportedly
present to partake in, that there must be some explanation for
their presence other than to take part in that activity.
I think it is more a device, a modern parable, that lets Roland
explain to everyone that he has won an argument. Which seems an
important thing to do, given that many people do not seem to notice
that they are doing badly, and that Roland has won the argument.
I have no interest whatsoever in winning an argument against Norman.
What I would like, is if he reduced the noise level in here by desisting from making unsustainable arguments.
On 01/09/2026 21:47, Owen Rees wrote:
Roland Perry <roland@perry.uk> wrote:
In message <1176k0i$1s1hj$1@dont-email.me>, at 13:29:54 on Tue, 1 Sep
2026, Owen Rees <orees@hotmail.com> remarked:
The well known work of fiction that opens with the phrase rCLIt is a truth >>>> universally acknowledged rCL does not include references to a frustrated >>>> hunter or persistent bears. Perhaps you can explain the relevance of your >>>> response to the article you quoted.
Norman is the hunter, and we are the persistent ears, who suspect he
isn't here for the hunting
I have still not found anything that explains the references to frustrated >> hunters or persistent bears. Perhaps it is a reference to some work with
which I am not familiar and which DuckDuckGo search does not reveal.
In case anyone is having difficulty with rCLIt is a truth universally
acknowledgedrCL, those are the opening words of Pride and Prejudice by Jane >> Austen. I think that most readers will see that the author is poking fun at >> those who believe the rCytruthrCO that follows.
I hadn't heard of the joke about the hunter and the bear but it didn't
take long to find it using Google and it's both amusing and apt.
https://www.reddit.com/r/Jokes/comments/txdftx/hunter_and_the_bear/
Norman's pedantic insistence that everyone must use the correct form of >words and refrain from any creative expressions is part of his
Gradgrind persona.
Is a bear a Catholic?
Roland Perry claimed that " Whoever wrote that is a generation out-of-date."
But then anyone writing exactly the same things about Mark Goodge's
example couldn't possibly be a "generation out of date", could they ?
If they only wrote their description of what they discovered last week.
The clear implication of Roland Perry's remark, was that "all schools"
have changed in the meantime. When they clearly have not..
Not that "some of them have", or "many of them have", or even "most of them >have"; but that "all of them have".
Which then only requires the one counter example.
On 01/09/2026 15:09, Roland Perry wrote:
Meanwhile completely irrelevant to my daughter's decision to drop out
of General Studies. Glad we finally got that sorted out.
You still haven't said why you were so in favour of that that you
argued against the school's better judgement, what her reason for not
doing it was, what she actually did with the time it liberated, what
you did in the way of providing a dedicated study area at home better
than at school, and what you did to ensure that she did actually study
at home instead of just bunking off to have fun.
"Many school-attached sixth forms require Year 12 (and sometimes
Year 13) students to be on site for the full school day (e.g., 8:30
AM to 3:30 PM)".
What's *your* link for that?
I told you before where it came from.
It's now for *you* to prove it wrong if it is, which I very much doubt.
In message <1178k89$2jism$1@dont-email.me>, at 08:46:15 on Wed, 2 Sep
2026, billy bookcase <billy@anon.com> remarked:
Roland Perry claimed that " Whoever wrote that is a generation out-of-date." >>
But then anyone writing exactly the same things about Mark Goodge's
example couldn't possibly be a "generation out of date", could they ?
If they only wrote their description of what they discovered last week.
The clear implication of Roland Perry's remark, was that "all schools"
have changed in the meantime. When they clearly have not..
Not that "some of them have", or "many of them have", or even "most of them >> have"; but that "all of them have".
Which then only requires the one counter example.
Indeed, I was careful not to claim that all schools let Sixth Formers
have flexible hours. But the one my daughter went to, did. And that'd
all which matters.
On 02/09/2026 12:21, Roland Perry wrote:
In message <1177ifi$qnei$1@dont-email.me>, at 23:09:53 on Tue, 1 Sep
2026, Pancho <Pancho.Jones@protonmail.com> remarked:
I think the hunters/bears thing is a way of saying that a person
consistently does so badly at the activity they are purportedly
present to partake in, that there must be some explanation for
their presence other than to take part in that activity.
I think it is more a device, a modern parable, that lets Roland
explain to everyone that he has won an argument. Which seems an
important thing to do, given that many people do not seem to notice
that they are doing badly, and that Roland has won the argument.
I have no interest whatsoever in winning an argument against Norman.
Then you won't.
What I would like, is if he reduced the noise level in here by desisting
from making unsustainable arguments.
If they're unsustainable, they can be argued against, here, in public.
It's what discussion forums like this are for.
In message <nfmaocF121iU2@mid.individual.net>, at 22:41:32 on Mon, 31
Aug 2026, Norman Wells <hex@unseen.ac.am> remarked:
"Many school-attached sixth forms require Year 12 (and sometimes
Year-a 13) students to be on site for the full school day (e.g., 8:30 >>>> AM to-a 3:30 PM)".
-aWhat's *your* link for that?
I told you before where it came from.
OK, so don't know, or made it up.
It's now for *you* to prove it wrong if it is, which I very much doubt.
I've already done that. You are the one quibbling (as usual).
In message <nfoibjF9bjuU4@mid.individual.net>, at 19:03:31 on Tue, 1 Sep 2026, Norman Wells <hex@unseen.ac.am> remarked:
On 01/09/2026 15:09, Roland Perry wrote:
Meanwhile completely irrelevant to my daughter's decision to drop out
of-a General Studies. Glad we finally got that sorted out.
You still haven't said why you were so in favour of that that you
argued against the school's better judgement, what her reason for not
doing it was, what she actually did with the time it liberated, what
you did in the way of providing a dedicated study area at home better
than at school, and what you did to ensure that she did actually study
at home instead of just bunking off to have fun.
I was confident that she'd study (whether at home or at school) in the periods feed up.
Otherwise I would not have suggested she drop General Studies, nor
brought the subject up here.
On 01/09/2026 05:55, JNugent wrote:
On 31/08/2026 09:33 PM, Owen Rees wrote:
JNugent <JNugent73@mail.com> wrote:
On 31/08/2026 12:56 PM, The Todal wrote:
On 31/08/2026 12:36, Roland Perry wrote:
Norman Wells <hex@unseen.ac.am> remarked:
I doubt whether bunking off during normal school hours meets with >>>>>>>>> much approval from either teachers or parents. Normally, it's >>>>>>>>> not
exactly productive or 'study', is it?
Keep digging, let me know when you get to Australia.
No-one's digging, just stating facts.
The facts are that for most sixth forms there's no such thing as
"normal hours". Students are free to come and go, as long as they
attend most scheduled classroom sessions.
In between they can do private study at school, or at home. And even >>>>>> stay later if that assists their studies.
Norman's school, the one he would have run, would have been much
stricter about turning up and studying in the library instead of at
home.
Norman has revealed his inner Wackford Squeers or Thomas Gradgrind.
...or Katharine Birbalsingh, getting incredibly good results in an area >>>> of London where such things were no longer expected?
In offices, working from home is now widespread. In many offices,
turning up for work means competing for a desk with a colleague who
also
wants it.
That'd change if it were happening regularly and frequently enough.
What does "many offices" actually mean in this case?
5%?
15%?
IIRC Jacob Rees-Mogg left cards on desks saying he hoped to see the
person
whose desk it was sitting at it in future. There were more staff than
desks
so hot desking was in place there and it was necessary for staff to
spend a
proportion of their time working at home.
It was the proportion of workplaces that I was enquiring about.
Fortunately ULM is exactly like Wikipedia - you can ask any question and someone will research the topic for you and give you an accurate answer.
Or there's this.
AI Overview
Around 48% to 60% of companies globally use hot desking or unassigned desk-sharing arrangements. Adoption Rates and Statistics 60% of
employers in the U.S. and Canada use desk sharing or hoteling.48% of companies worldwide maintain a hot-desking or unassigned seating policy.
On 2 Sep 2026 at 12:35:29 BST, "Norman Wells" <hex@unseen.ac.am> wrote:
On 02/09/2026 12:21, Roland Perry wrote:
In message <1177ifi$qnei$1@dont-email.me>, at 23:09:53 on Tue, 1 Sep
2026, Pancho <Pancho.Jones@protonmail.com> remarked:
I think the hunters/bears thing is a way of saying that a person
consistently does so badly at the activity they are purportedly
present to partake in, that there must be some explanation for
their presence other than to take part in that activity.
I think it is more a device, a modern parable, that lets Roland
explain to everyone that he has won an argument. Which seems an
important thing to do, given that many people do not seem to notice
that they are doing badly, and that Roland has won the argument.
I have no interest whatsoever in winning an argument against Norman.
Then you won't.
What I would like, is if he reduced the noise level in here by desisting >>> from making unsustainable arguments.
If they're unsustainable, they can be argued against, here, in public.
It's what discussion forums like this are for.
If someone makes a totally incorrect statement of what the law is it may be reasonable for it to be contradicted once. And perhaps for a few other people to confirm that the original statement is wrong. It is not necessary for someone to indulge in a thousand post repetition of statement and contradiction to make it a valuable discussion. It is not even desirable.
On 02/09/2026 12:21, Roland Perry wrote:
In message <1177ifi$qnei$1@dont-email.me>, at 23:09:53 on Tue, 1 Sep >>2026, Pancho <Pancho.Jones@protonmail.com> remarked:
aI think the hunters/bears thing is a way of saying that a person
consistently does so badly at the activity they are purportedly
present to partake in, that there must be some explanation for
their presence other than to take part in that activity.
I think it is more a device, a modern parable, that lets Roland
explain to everyone that he has won an argument. Which seems an >>>important thing to do, given that many people do not seem to notice
that they are doing badly, and that Roland has won the argument.
I have no interest whatsoever in winning an argument against Norman.
Then you won't.
What I would like, is if he reduced the noise level in here by
desisting from making unsustainable arguments.
If they're unsustainable, they can be argued against, here, in public.
It's what discussion forums like this are for.
I was careful not to claim that all schools let Sixth Formers
have flexible hours. But the one my daughter went to, did. And that'd
all which matters.
What you actually said was:
"That's not how sixth-form education works. Attendance hours are voluntary."
But fair enough if you now agree that was a non-exclusive generalisation.
OK, so don't know, or made it up."Many school-attached sixth forms require Year 12 (and sometimes >>>>>Yeara 13) students to be on site for the full school day (e.g.,
8:30 AM toa 3:30 PM)".
aWhat's *your* link for that?
I told you before where it came from.
I invite you to do your own search.
It's now for *you* to prove it wrong if it is, which I very much doubt.I've already done that. You are the one quibbling (as usual).
No you haven't. It's what you believe and it may well be what
particular schools do, but that's totally consistent with what I posted.
If you think the opposite generality applies, I invite you to prove it.
On 01/09/2026 18:32, Roland Perry wrote:
In message <1176ld8$1si9e$1@dont-email.me>, at 14:53:39 on Tue, 1 Sep >>2026, billy bookcase <billy@anon.com> remarked:
aOTOH: https://www.urmstongrammar.org.uk/page/?pid=86
"All Sixth Form students must be in school for morning
registration. When
students have 'Directed Study' on their timetable, after period 2 >>>>they are
free to leave the school site if they wish - this may include going into >>>> Urmston town centre or going home."
Mark Goodge only required *one* contemporary example, to successfully
refure Roland Perry's claim, that Norman Wells' quoted prospectus was
"a generation out of date".
It's vanishingly unlikely that Normans **UNDATED** claim was for the >>same school which Mark cited. So you've been debunked, yet again.
My claim was a general one which I said
"I think, [is] the most common practice"
based on what I cited.
One example either way doesn't alter that.
And, once again, I note you have provided no counter-argument.
On 01/09/2026 08:18, Roland Perry wrote:
In message <nfmacaF121iU1@mid.individual.net>, at 22:35:06 on Mon, 31
Aug 2026, Norman Wells <hex@unseen.ac.am> remarked:
the schools in my referencedated?
that require students to be present for the whole of the school day >>>say:
"When students don't have a timetabled lesson, they are expected to
use dedicated quiet study spaces or the library."
If it's not wrong, and you've given nothing to show it is, your
question is entirely irrelevant.
You won't get better at home,They'll be less distracted at home.
That's absurd. Home is where you assemble and keep all the
distractions you'll ever want.
nor will the incentive be there to do what is intended.
The incentive comes from wanting to get good grades, and the parents >>wanting them to get good grades.
So, you'd banish them to a dedicated quiet study place at home away
from all home distractions, take their phones away, and supervise them?
Is that what you actually did?
On 1 Sep 2026 at 18:32:01 BST, "Roland Perry" <roland@perry.uk> wrote:
In message <1176ld8$1si9e$1@dont-email.me>, at 14:53:39 on Tue, 1 Sep
2026, billy bookcase <billy@anon.com> remarked:
OTOH: https://www.urmstongrammar.org.uk/page/?pid=86
"All Sixth Form students must be in school for morning registration. When >>>> students have 'Directed Study' on their timetable, after period 2 they are >>>> free to leave the school site if they wish - this may include going into >>>> Urmston town centre or going home."
Mark Goodge only required *one* contemporary example, to successfully
refure Roland Perry's claim, that Norman Wells' quoted prospectus was
"a generation out of date".
It's vanishingly unlikely that Normans **UNDATED** claim was for the
same school which Mark cited. So you've been debunked, yet again.
Well if you'd just said that many schools don't make pupils stay all day in >the sixth form no-one could have argued. It was your generalisation that all >schools do so that is so easily refuted by even one counter-example. Why this >quixotic desire to pursue a clearly false generalisation?
In message <nfndt2F6419U1@mid.individual.net>, at 08:41:22 on Tue, 1 Sep 2026, Norman Wells <hex@unseen.ac.am> remarked:
On 01/09/2026 08:18, Roland Perry wrote:
In message <nfmacaF121iU1@mid.individual.net>, at 22:35:06 on Mon, 31
Aug 2026, Norman Wells <hex@unseen.ac.am> remarked:
the schools in my reference-adated?
that require students to be present for the whole of the school day
say:
"When students don't have a timetabled lesson, they are expected to
use dedicated quiet study spaces or the library."
If it's not wrong, and you've given nothing to show it is, your
question is entirely irrelevant.
You never give up, do you?
You won't get better at home,
-aThey'll be less distracted at home.
That's absurd.-a Home is where you assemble and keep all the
distractions you'll ever want.
Depends on how the home is organised. And as you have absolutely no
idea, nada, zilch, about our home, your pontifications are laughable, worthless, and waste of everyone's time.
nor will the incentive be there to do what is intended.
-aThe incentive comes from wanting to get good grades, and the parents
wanting them to get good grades.
So, you'd banish them to a dedicated quiet study place at home away
from all home distractions, take their phones away, and supervise them?
This was fifteen years ago, they didn't have phones. But both had their
own desktop and laptop for study purposes. No TV in their rooms.
On 22/08/2026 09:21, Roger Hayter wrote:
On 21 Aug 2026 at 15:46:41 BST, "Spike" <aero.spike@mail.com> wrote:
JNugent <JNugent73@mail.com> wrote:
On 21/08/2026 01:13 PM, The Todal wrote:
[rCa]
[Todal]
Your stance is that the refugees should apply for asylum in France or >>>>> Spain or Greece or wherever else they have arrived at after leaving
their country.
[JN]
I don't know what NW's response to that might be, but surely - SURELY - >>>> the best place for middle east "refugees" to seek refuge is in another >>>> middle east state with similar reliogion, behaviour, language and
social
mores?
ThatrCOs a good point. At least in that case we wouldnrCOt need to hand out >>> booklets explaining that raping women and girls isnrCOt the norm here,
whether in marriage or otherwise.
Parenthetically, our high moral position on rape in marriage (in
England) was
established as long ago as 1991. Before that raping one's wife (in the
absence
of other criminal actions) was perfectly legal. Just saying.
It is very odd that booklets have been handed out to refugees (also to lawful migrants, perhaps? Or not?) to tell them about our unusual laws
about consent to sexual congress.
Maybe some civil servant was engaged in an arse-covering exercise. A
risk assessment followed by a method statement.
However, many of our refugees in hostels and in detention centres are sexually molested by other residents or by the staff. So it's useful if those refugees are encouraged to report such activity to the police
rather than to assume that if they complain they might be sent back to
the torture chamber in Syria.
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