• Ultimate populism?

    From Roger Hayter@roger@hayter.org to uk.legal.moderated on Mon Aug 3 17:18:02 2026
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    Is Reform's apparent plan to declare war on France, and invade France with Royal Marines a serious proposal? Or just populist nonsense for consumption
    by morons?

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cr59qyy4l5yo
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    Roger Hayter

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  • From Les. Hayward@les@nospam.invalid to uk.legal.moderated on Mon Aug 3 19:41:24 2026
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    On 03/08/2026 18:18, Roger Hayter wrote:
    Is Reform's apparent plan to declare war on France, and invade France with Royal Marines a serious proposal? Or just populist nonsense for consumption by morons?

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cr59qyy4l5yo


    Well, at least it might be kinder than either sinking them or continuing
    to head them off until the petrol ran out.

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  • From The Todal@the_todal@icloud.com to uk.legal.moderated on Mon Aug 3 19:33:20 2026
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    On 03/08/2026 18:18, Roger Hayter wrote:
    Is Reform's apparent plan to declare war on France, and invade France with Royal Marines a serious proposal? Or just populist nonsense for consumption by morons?

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cr59qyy4l5yo



    A valiant attempt to deflect attention from the blunders of Nigel
    Farage, who seems to have emulated Donald Trump in his efforts to hoard
    as much dosh as he possibly can.

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  • From Jon Ribbens@jon+usenet@unequivocal.eu to uk.legal.moderated on Mon Aug 3 19:38:28 2026
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    On 2026-08-03, Les. Hayward <les@nospam.invalid> wrote:
    On 03/08/2026 18:18, Roger Hayter wrote:
    Is Reform's apparent plan to declare war on France, and invade France with >> Royal Marines a serious proposal? Or just populist nonsense for consumption >> by morons?

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cr59qyy4l5yo

    Well, at least it might be kinder than either sinking them or continuing
    to head them off until the petrol ran out.

    ... both of which would be murder.

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  • From Jon Ribbens@jon+usenet@unequivocal.eu to uk.legal.moderated on Mon Aug 3 19:39:39 2026
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    On 2026-08-03, Roger Hayter <roger@hayter.org> wrote:
    Is Reform's apparent plan to declare war on France, and invade France
    with Royal Marines a serious proposal? Or just populist nonsense for consumption by morons?

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cr59qyy4l5yo

    Is anything they say anything other than populist nonsense for morons?

    Obviously they are not going to invade France - not least because they
    are never going to be the government.

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  • From Roger Hayter@roger@hayter.org to uk.legal.moderated on Mon Aug 3 20:48:32 2026
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    On 3 Aug 2026 at 19:41:24 BST, ""Les. Hayward"" <les@nospam.invalid> wrote:

    On 03/08/2026 18:18, Roger Hayter wrote:
    Is Reform's apparent plan to declare war on France, and invade France with >> Royal Marines a serious proposal? Or just populist nonsense for consumption >> by morons?

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cr59qyy4l5yo


    Well, at least it might be kinder than either sinking them or continuing
    to head them off until the petrol ran out.

    It might be kinder to declare war on Israel than to allow its genocidal policies to continue, but declaring war on a country that we are not likely to win against is rarely a good idea. See Iran.


    If mass murder is your alternative solution then at least the asylum seekers have no army or airforce, and we are unlikely ourselves to come to physical harm as a result of slaughtering them. Any sensible fascist would probably prefer your alternative solution to declaring war on France.
    --

    Roger Hayter

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  • From Les. Hayward@les@nospam.invalid to uk.legal.moderated on Mon Aug 3 22:24:39 2026
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    On 03/08/2026 21:48, Roger Hayter wrote:
    On 3 Aug 2026 at 19:41:24 BST, ""Les. Hayward"" <les@nospam.invalid> wrote:

    On 03/08/2026 18:18, Roger Hayter wrote:
    Is Reform's apparent plan to declare war on France, and invade France with >>> Royal Marines a serious proposal? Or just populist nonsense for consumption
    by morons?

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cr59qyy4l5yo


    Well, at least it might be kinder than either sinking them or continuing
    to head them off until the petrol ran out.

    It might be kinder to declare war on Israel than to allow its genocidal policies to continue, but declaring war on a country that we are not likely to
    win against is rarely a good idea. See Iran.


    If mass murder is your alternative solution then at least the asylum seekers have no army or airforce, and we are unlikely ourselves to come to physical harm as a result of slaughtering them. Any sensible fascist would probably prefer your alternative solution to declaring war on France.

    Not saying that it is my choice, I would favour internment camps run to
    UK prison standards. That would at least minimise the attraction which
    the UK has. Whatever method is chosen, there HAS to be a solution of
    some sort - preferable to eventual vigilante action or civil war.

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  • From Roger Hayter@roger@hayter.org to uk.legal.moderated on Mon Aug 3 23:36:44 2026
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    On 3 Aug 2026 at 22:24:39 BST, ""Les. Hayward"" <les@nospam.invalid> wrote:

    On 03/08/2026 21:48, Roger Hayter wrote:
    On 3 Aug 2026 at 19:41:24 BST, ""Les. Hayward"" <les@nospam.invalid> wrote: >>
    On 03/08/2026 18:18, Roger Hayter wrote:
    Is Reform's apparent plan to declare war on France, and invade France with >>>> Royal Marines a serious proposal? Or just populist nonsense for consumption
    by morons?

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cr59qyy4l5yo


    Well, at least it might be kinder than either sinking them or continuing >>> to head them off until the petrol ran out.

    It might be kinder to declare war on Israel than to allow its genocidal
    policies to continue, but declaring war on a country that we are not likely to
    win against is rarely a good idea. See Iran.


    If mass murder is your alternative solution then at least the asylum seekers >> have no army or airforce, and we are unlikely ourselves to come to physical >> harm as a result of slaughtering them. Any sensible fascist would probably >> prefer your alternative solution to declaring war on France.

    Not saying that it is my choice, I would favour internment camps run to
    UK prison standards. That would at least minimise the attraction which
    the UK has. Whatever method is chosen, there HAS to be a solution of
    some sort - preferable to eventual vigilante action or civil war.

    It might be possible to whip a few hundred thugs willing to fight unarmed police, but the idea that serious people might actually start a shooting war against the British Army over a few tens of thousand would-be refugees when we are welcoming ten times as many legal immigrants seems a bit far-fetched to
    me. Even if sundry foreign billionnaires are funding the fascists.
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    Roger Hayter

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  • From Les. Hayward@les@nospam.invalid to uk.legal.moderated on Tue Aug 4 12:21:53 2026
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    On 04/08/2026 00:36, Roger Hayter wrote:
    On 3 Aug 2026 at 22:24:39 BST, ""Les. Hayward"" <les@nospam.invalid> wrote:

    On 03/08/2026 21:48, Roger Hayter wrote:
    On 3 Aug 2026 at 19:41:24 BST, ""Les. Hayward"" <les@nospam.invalid> wrote: >>>
    On 03/08/2026 18:18, Roger Hayter wrote:
    Is Reform's apparent plan to declare war on France, and invade France with
    Royal Marines a serious proposal? Or just populist nonsense for consumption
    by morons?

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cr59qyy4l5yo


    Well, at least it might be kinder than either sinking them or continuing >>>> to head them off until the petrol ran out.

    It might be kinder to declare war on Israel than to allow its genocidal
    policies to continue, but declaring war on a country that we are not likely to
    win against is rarely a good idea. See Iran.


    If mass murder is your alternative solution then at least the asylum seekers
    have no army or airforce, and we are unlikely ourselves to come to physical >>> harm as a result of slaughtering them. Any sensible fascist would probably >>> prefer your alternative solution to declaring war on France.

    Not saying that it is my choice, I would favour internment camps run to
    UK prison standards. That would at least minimise the attraction which
    the UK has. Whatever method is chosen, there HAS to be a solution of
    some sort - preferable to eventual vigilante action or civil war.

    It might be possible to whip a few hundred thugs willing to fight unarmed police, but the idea that serious people might actually start a shooting war against the British Army over a few tens of thousand would-be refugees when we
    are welcoming ten times as many legal immigrants seems a bit far-fetched to me. Even if sundry foreign billionnaires are funding the fascists.

    Ah - you are assuming that members of the armed forces share your mind
    set and would be willing to fire on their fellow citizens. Only a few
    tens of thousands? Modern definition of a fascist: "One who disagrees
    with my view point"

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  • From Spike@aero.spike@mail.com to uk.legal.moderated on Tue Aug 4 15:01:34 2026
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    Les. Hayward <les@nospam.invalid> wrote:
    On 04/08/2026 00:36, Roger Hayter wrote:

    It might be possible to whip a few hundred thugs willing to fight unarmed
    police, but the idea that serious people might actually start a shooting war >> against the British Army over a few tens of thousand would-be refugees when we
    are welcoming ten times as many legal immigrants seems a bit far-fetched to >> me. Even if sundry foreign billionnaires are funding the fascists.

    Ah - you are assuming that members of the armed forces share your mind
    set and would be willing to fire on their fellow citizens. Only a few
    tens of thousands? Modern definition of a fascist: "One who disagrees
    with my view point"

    If, as Hayter alleges, rCOsundry foreign billionnaires are funding the fascistsrCO, then the question arises as to what groups do the Marxists
    finance - following the abject failure during WWI of the shibboleth
    rCOWorkers of the world, unite!rCO, brought about by the workers, now conscripted into armies, that set about killing each other by the ten
    thousand.
    --
    Spike

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  • From Roger Hayter@roger@hayter.org to uk.legal.moderated on Tue Aug 4 15:18:48 2026
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    On 4 Aug 2026 at 12:21:53 BST, ""Les. Hayward"" <les@nospam.invalid> wrote:

    On 04/08/2026 00:36, Roger Hayter wrote:
    On 3 Aug 2026 at 22:24:39 BST, ""Les. Hayward"" <les@nospam.invalid> wrote: >>
    On 03/08/2026 21:48, Roger Hayter wrote:
    On 3 Aug 2026 at 19:41:24 BST, ""Les. Hayward"" <les@nospam.invalid> wrote:

    On 03/08/2026 18:18, Roger Hayter wrote:
    Is Reform's apparent plan to declare war on France, and invade France with
    Royal Marines a serious proposal? Or just populist nonsense for consumption
    by morons?

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cr59qyy4l5yo


    Well, at least it might be kinder than either sinking them or continuing >>>>> to head them off until the petrol ran out.

    It might be kinder to declare war on Israel than to allow its genocidal >>>> policies to continue, but declaring war on a country that we are not likely to
    win against is rarely a good idea. See Iran.


    If mass murder is your alternative solution then at least the asylum seekers
    have no army or airforce, and we are unlikely ourselves to come to physical
    harm as a result of slaughtering them. Any sensible fascist would probably >>>> prefer your alternative solution to declaring war on France.

    Not saying that it is my choice, I would favour internment camps run to
    UK prison standards. That would at least minimise the attraction which
    the UK has. Whatever method is chosen, there HAS to be a solution of
    some sort - preferable to eventual vigilante action or civil war.

    It might be possible to whip a few hundred thugs willing to fight unarmed
    police, but the idea that serious people might actually start a shooting war >> against the British Army over a few tens of thousand would-be refugees when we
    are welcoming ten times as many legal immigrants seems a bit far-fetched to >> me. Even if sundry foreign billionnaires are funding the fascists.

    Ah - you are assuming that members of the armed forces share your mind
    set and would be willing to fire on their fellow citizens. Only a few
    tens of thousands? Modern definition of a fascist: "One who disagrees
    with my view point"

    From my, limited, experience I should guess that 99.9 per cent will remain loyal to the monarch, assuming the government is.
    --

    Roger Hayter

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  • From Roger Hayter@roger@hayter.org to uk.legal.moderated on Tue Aug 4 15:19:24 2026
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    On 4 Aug 2026 at 12:21:53 BST, ""Les. Hayward"" <les@nospam.invalid> wrote:

    On 04/08/2026 00:36, Roger Hayter wrote:
    On 3 Aug 2026 at 22:24:39 BST, ""Les. Hayward"" <les@nospam.invalid> wrote: >>
    On 03/08/2026 21:48, Roger Hayter wrote:
    On 3 Aug 2026 at 19:41:24 BST, ""Les. Hayward"" <les@nospam.invalid> wrote:

    On 03/08/2026 18:18, Roger Hayter wrote:
    Is Reform's apparent plan to declare war on France, and invade France with
    Royal Marines a serious proposal? Or just populist nonsense for consumption
    by morons?

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cr59qyy4l5yo


    Well, at least it might be kinder than either sinking them or continuing >>>>> to head them off until the petrol ran out.

    It might be kinder to declare war on Israel than to allow its genocidal >>>> policies to continue, but declaring war on a country that we are not likely to
    win against is rarely a good idea. See Iran.


    If mass murder is your alternative solution then at least the asylum seekers
    have no army or airforce, and we are unlikely ourselves to come to physical
    harm as a result of slaughtering them. Any sensible fascist would probably >>>> prefer your alternative solution to declaring war on France.

    Not saying that it is my choice, I would favour internment camps run to
    UK prison standards. That would at least minimise the attraction which
    the UK has. Whatever method is chosen, there HAS to be a solution of
    some sort - preferable to eventual vigilante action or civil war.

    It might be possible to whip a few hundred thugs willing to fight unarmed
    police, but the idea that serious people might actually start a shooting war >> against the British Army over a few tens of thousand would-be refugees when we
    are welcoming ten times as many legal immigrants seems a bit far-fetched to >> me. Even if sundry foreign billionnaires are funding the fascists.

    Ah - you are assuming that members of the armed forces share your mind
    set and would be willing to fire on their fellow citizens. Only a few
    tens of thousands? Modern definition of a fascist: "One who disagrees
    with my view point"

    I would definitely include those known to be members of fascist parties.
    --

    Roger Hayter

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  • From JNugent@JNugent73@mail.com to uk.legal.moderated on Tue Aug 4 18:31:58 2026
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    On 04/08/2026 04:19 PM, Roger Hayter wrote:
    On 4 Aug 2026 at 12:21:53 BST, ""Les. Hayward"" <les@nospam.invalid> wrote:

    On 04/08/2026 00:36, Roger Hayter wrote:
    On 3 Aug 2026 at 22:24:39 BST, ""Les. Hayward"" <les@nospam.invalid> wrote: >>>
    On 03/08/2026 21:48, Roger Hayter wrote:
    On 3 Aug 2026 at 19:41:24 BST, ""Les. Hayward"" <les@nospam.invalid> wrote:

    On 03/08/2026 18:18, Roger Hayter wrote:
    Is Reform's apparent plan to declare war on France, and invade France with
    Royal Marines a serious proposal? Or just populist nonsense for consumption
    by morons?

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cr59qyy4l5yo


    Well, at least it might be kinder than either sinking them or continuing >>>>>> to head them off until the petrol ran out.

    It might be kinder to declare war on Israel than to allow its genocidal >>>>> policies to continue, but declaring war on a country that we are not likely to
    win against is rarely a good idea. See Iran.


    If mass murder is your alternative solution then at least the asylum seekers
    have no army or airforce, and we are unlikely ourselves to come to physical
    harm as a result of slaughtering them. Any sensible fascist would probably
    prefer your alternative solution to declaring war on France.

    Not saying that it is my choice, I would favour internment camps run to >>>> UK prison standards. That would at least minimise the attraction which >>>> the UK has. Whatever method is chosen, there HAS to be a solution of
    some sort - preferable to eventual vigilante action or civil war.

    It might be possible to whip a few hundred thugs willing to fight unarmed >>> police, but the idea that serious people might actually start a shooting war
    against the British Army over a few tens of thousand would-be refugees when we
    are welcoming ten times as many legal immigrants seems a bit far-fetched to >>> me. Even if sundry foreign billionnaires are funding the fascists.

    Ah - you are assuming that members of the armed forces share your mind
    set and would be willing to fire on their fellow citizens. Only a few
    tens of thousands? Modern definition of a fascist: "One who disagrees
    with my view point"

    I would definitely include those known to be members of fascist parties.

    How many of those parties are there?

    Could we have a few names?

    The British Union of Fascists was dissolved many decades ago, though.

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